Comment on Wesley's room (First Duty)
Ryan Mathews
The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
think?
Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
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Phil Ritzenthaler
|>
|> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
|> think?
|>
|> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
|> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
One BIG mistake they made . . . at the beginning of the program, they had a
'sound effect' when someone moved the handle to open the door (why would you
have electronics when the mechanical kind is SO much simpler) . . . but
during the programs, the 'sound effect' was forgotten, lost, a 'non-effect'!!
OOPS!!
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Joeseph Cochran
>
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
>
>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
>
Actually, the doorknob wasn't as interesting as the fact that in
one shot, out of focus in the foreground was the Pewter 25th Anniversary
Enterprise (tm) Model offered by Paramount. I thought that this touch
was just a bit presumptuous...
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Rick Shepherd
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
Exactly! Where I went to college, there WERE some semi-modern high rise
dorms, but the ones that most of us normal people could afford looked
more like campground cabins or the like.
Even in the 24th century, college students, etc. are spared every
expense, and no opportunity to save money is turned away. After all,
they are not there to give the dorms a 4 start rating. 8-) Oh well.
---------- Ryan Mathews
Rick
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Robert DeMillo
> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
> |>
> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
> |> think?
> |>
> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
it was a great touch...
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Michael Lee Jacobs
>In article <1992Apr6.1...@osc.edu> ph...@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>> |>
>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>> |> think?
>> |>
>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>it was a great touch...
Not to mention that most of the Academy stuff was done on location, and
its real hard to install sliding doors without major reconstruction :)
Mark Buda
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
It wasn't low tech - it had a sound effect!
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Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)
>
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
>
>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
That was exactly what I and my friends (all still in college) said when we
saw Wes' room; "They've stuck him in the oldest dorm on campus!"
Maybe the Enterprise figure came with the rooms original decor.... 8-)
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Preston F. Crow
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
[...]
I really liked that aspect. It was good to see that Star Fleet doesn't
have infinite resources. (I didn't notice the sound effect that some
have mentioned--It must have been a mistake.)
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Daniel R. Iacovone
>In article <1992Apr6.1...@osc.edu> ph...@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>> |>
>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>> |> think?
>> |>
>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
>
>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>it was a great touch...
Of course, the only problem with this is that they had to throw one
of those replicated computer/replicator terminals on the
side wall next to the window. You know--one of those mechanisms that
every life form that the E encounters has. ie)First Contact and
many more.
Mark Runyan
>
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
>
>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
As I mentioned in another post somewhere, I think that there was a reason
for this `low tech' approach. My reasoning is based on having observed
some of the strange things cadets are required to do at the US Air Force
Academy (USAFA). My belief is that all the dorm doors at the Starfleet
Academy (SF {hence it has to be in San Francisco, eh?}) will have these
doorknobs. The reason is that the cadet can not just stand somewhere in
the room when a person knocks on the door. The cadet must go to the
door and answer the door and respond to the person at the door. Answering
the door and manually opening it automatically makes you subserviant to
the person at the door (and as a cadet you're suppose to be subserviant, eh?)
Perhaps this is just a tradition, but it wouldn't be any crazier than what
cadets at the USAFA are sometimes required to do...
Mark Runyan
(No, I wasn't a cadet, I just talked with a few... :-)
DevNull
>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>think?
>
>Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
Heh...I can just hear it now...
"The school's pretty good, but the dorms bite wind...they're so run-down, it's
pathetic. Would you believe that they still have *manual* doors? They say
they don't have enough money. But of course they can cough up the dough for
the President to get a holodeck in his office, and for the Administrative
building to get 20 new replicators..."
Hmm...I didn't think to check if they had a personalized-holographic-brick
walkway on their quad. :) (Sorry, anyone who hasn't been to WPI in the
past year or so and hasn't witnessed the "$40 Alumni Brick" phenomenon won't
get this one...)
-jtr...@wpi.wpi.edu
John Trussell
FRED W. BACH
>In article <1992Apr6.1...@osc.edu> ph...@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>> |>
>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>> |> think?
>> |>
>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
>
>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>it was a great touch...
>
I must agree. I think young people need to live a little (during their
impressionable period) in some kind of atmosphere which puts them IN TOUCH
with their history. Old schools, old hotels, old dormitories, old libraries,
museums and the like all present valuable learning experiences and make us
appreciate our humanity and our ancestry.
We live in a society where there are too many unsupervised young engineers
who can't wait to get out there and re-design the world. That's good, but
a lot of *excellent* old, very practical, engineering can be easily
forgotton. Sometimes old engineering presents us with valuable insights
that high-tech would over-engineer. Young engineers, in their haste, have
a tendency to throw out a lot of features of old designs (which features
are quite ergonomic) just for the sake of doing it, and because the young
engineers don't understand what the features do or what they prevent from
happening. So, a really good course of living in the past may make us more
observant and thoughtful in our present and our future.
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Janis Maria Cortese
>In article <DEMILLO.92...@egeus.juliet.ll.mit.edu>, dem...@juliet.ll.mit.edu ( Robert DeMillo ) writes...
>>In article <1992Apr6.1...@osc.edu> ph...@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
>>
>>> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>>> |>
>>> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>>> |> think?
>>> |>
>>> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
>>> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
>>
>>I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
>>reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
>>that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
>>more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
>>it was a great touch...
>>
>
> I must agree. I think young people need to live a little (during their
>impressionable period) in some kind of atmosphere which puts them IN TOUCH
>with their history. Old schools, old hotels, old dormitories, old libraries,
Sorry. I don't agree. When I was at Penn State, I lived in the "geek
dorm" -- Atherton Hall. Not only was it at the south end of a campus
that slopes precipitously upward to the north, but it must also have had
its electrical system designed PERSONALLY by Ben Franklin. Two hair
dryers going at any one time ANYWHERE in the building were enough to
blow fuses and trip breakers all over the place.
Thia charmingly "quaint" electrical system was also responsible for
numerous false fire alarms. Ever had four fire alarms in three days
when you're living on the fourth floor of a dorm with no elevators? And
have a condition which makes your heart rate just an EENSY bit above
normal?
"Quaint" dorms suck. They are also dangerous. Pull-doors are one
thing, but when the wiring is as antique as the doors, you're in
trouble.
Regards,
Janis C.
Robert DeMillo
> >In article <1992Apr6.1...@osc.edu> ph...@stupid.cgrg.ohio-state.EDU (Phil Ritzenthaler) writes:
> >
> >> In article <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
> >> |>
> >> |> The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
> >> |> think?
> >> |>
> >> |> Either there's some point to this, or the average college dormitory in
> >> |> the 24th century is as old and unmodern as the ones today. :-)
> >
> >I thought this was great and made a lot of sense for exactly the
> >reason the previous poster listed. Most of the dorms in older colleges
> >that I have been to are always about 100 years out of date...sometimes
> >more in the case of some of the 200+ year old ivy colleges. I thought
> >it was a great touch...
> >
> I must agree. I think young people need to live a little (during their
> impressionable period) in some kind of atmosphere which puts them IN TOUCH
> with their history...
Sorry, I didn't mean anything quite this prosumptious. What I meant
was that it was a great touch because a school *never* spends any money
on student living conditions unless it absolutely has to. ;) (You know,
death by falling through rotted floors, that kind of thing.
So, to sum up:
*yes* I do agree that it was a great touch to put "older" features
in the academy dorms
*no* I don't think it was done to "put students IN TOCUH with their
history." I'd rather think the academy did it because they
didn't pay attention to the students living conditions....
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Morris Bisted
>In <1992Apr6.0...@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bn...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews) writes:
>
>
>>The door had a doorknob, and it swung open. Awfully low tech, dontcha
>>think?
>[...]
Scene: Picard and Crusher are meeting with Wesley the in his room, there
is a knock at the door. Wesley arises and walks to the door and opens
the door with his left hand. The scene changes while Wesley continues
opening the door and he is now opening with his right hand. The hands
might be reversed, but you get the point. OK, so I'm a nit picker, but
if its real... I caught it the first time through. Comments? Do you care?
That is all
Morris