Weslley's father's Death ?
Anuj Chandra
Picard was involved in Weslley's father's death. The episode
"Coming of Age" alludes to it, but does little in explaining it.
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Anuj Chandra
Michael Kieras
>This may have been answered before. Does anyone know how
>Picard was involved in Weslley's father's death. The episode
>"Coming of Age" alludes to it, but does little in explaining it.
Early in the series it was revealed that Wesley's father never really
died. They were only speaking figuratively of the "death" of Wesley's
father, Anakin Picard, when he gave up the Prime Directive and began
interfering with primitive planets' economies by endorsing some of their
vehicle manufacturers (episode 6, "Paramount Strikes Back").
In episode 7, "The Return of the Borg," Wesley showed that he could
resist the temptation of commercialism, and to prove his devotion to
his dad, he had Q create a soldier to impale him through his back so
he too could have an artificial heart. Picard was so moved that he
abandoned his "Locutus" alias and promoted Wesley from "child" to "boy."
Hope that clears up some things.
Jonathan Stevenson
I can't remeber exactly which episode it appeared in (but I recall it
was near the time when Wesley FINALLY left the big E, to the delight
of many TNG fans) but I do remember that the death of Wesley's father
was explained in fair detail. This is what I remember about it:
After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
Nacelles?). Things started to go wrong (I believe that the STARGAZER
came under attack) while Picard's men were outside. I believe his
delay concerned the activation of the defense fields around the
STARGAZER. Anyways, his delay put the STARGAZER in jeopardy but they
did manage to get most of the EVA team inside. However, Picard had to
act and make a very difficult decision fast - either save the ship or
save Mr.Crusher. Obviously, he chose the former course of action,
stranding Crusher outside and killing him when either the force fields
were activated or the engines were turned on.
Sorry if this seems a bit vague but I am trying to remember an episode
I haven't seen in about a year. Interestingly, I believe this
disclosure was to Wesley directly (by Picard) during their solo flight
to a starbase in a shuttle craft.
Can anyone else recall this episode? I`ll check my VCR tapes to find
this passage on the weekend.
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Pat Berry
> I can't remeber exactly which episode it appeared in (but I recall it
> was near the time when Wesley FINALLY left the big E, to the delight
> of many TNG fans) but I do remember that the death of Wesley's father
> was explained in fair detail. This is what I remember about it:
>
> After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
> former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
> EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
> Nacelles?). Things started to go wrong (I believe that the STARGAZER
> came under attack) while Picard's men were outside. I believe his
> delay concerned the activation of the defense fields around the
> STARGAZER. Anyways, his delay put the STARGAZER in jeopardy but they
> did manage to get most of the EVA team inside. However, Picard had to
> act and make a very difficult decision fast - either save the ship or
> save Mr.Crusher. Obviously, he chose the former course of action,
> stranding Crusher outside and killing him when either the force fields
> were activated or the engines were turned on.
I don't know where you got that story from, but it's not from any
episode of the show.
> Sorry if this seems a bit vague but I am trying to remember an episode
> I haven't seen in about a year. Interestingly, I believe this
> disclosure was to Wesley directly (by Picard) during their solo flight
> to a starbase in a shuttle craft.
No. That flight took place in "The Samaritan Snare", and nothing was
said about either the Stargazer or Jack Crusher. Captain Picard told
Wesley how he came to have his heart replaced the first time.
> Can anyone else recall this episode? I`ll check my VCR tapes to find
> this passage on the weekend.
There is no such episode; it doesn't exist.
Pat Berry p...@berry.Cary.NC.US
Matt Hucke
>>
>> After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>> former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>> EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>I don't know where you got that story from, but it's not from any
>episode of the show.
It's from the hardcover novel "Reunion". Completely noncanon, of course...
I'll accept this story for JC's death until Paramount says otherwise.
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Karin Baker
>In <1992Mar12.1...@wuecl.wustl.edu> a...@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>>This may have been answered before. Does anyone know how
>>Picard was involved in Weslley's father's death. The episode
>>"Coming of Age" alludes to it, but does little in explaining it.
>>
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>>Anuj Chandra
>>
>I can't remeber exactly which episode it appeared in (but I recall it
>was near the time when Wesley FINALLY left the big E, to the delight
>of many TNG fans) but I do remember that the death of Wesley's father
>was explained in fair detail. This is what I remember about it:
>After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>Nacelles?). Things started to go wrong (I believe that the STARGAZER
>came under attack) while Picard's men were outside. I believe his
>delay concerned the activation of the defense fields around the
>STARGAZER. Anyways, his delay put the STARGAZER in jeopardy but they
>did manage to get most of the EVA team inside. However, Picard had to
>act and make a very difficult decision fast - either save the ship or
>save Mr.Crusher. Obviously, he chose the former course of action,
>stranding Crusher outside and killing him when either the force fields
>were activated or the engines were turned on.
Right -- and this was alluded to when Wesley was trying to get into the
Academy and the last part of the testing was a simulation which required
the applicant to face his worst fear. Wesley's was about making a decision
about a person's life vs. the ship or the greater good of all involved. He
couldn't save them all.. and this was tied into his feelings about his
father's death..
>Sorry if this seems a bit vague but I am trying to remember an episode
>I haven't seen in about a year. Interestingly, I believe this
>disclosure was to Wesley directly (by Picard) during their solo flight
>to a starbase in a shuttle craft.
>Can anyone else recall this episode? I`ll check my VCR tapes to find
>this passage on the weekend.
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> JJ DDDD SSSS Jonathan D Stevenson
> JJ D DD SS SS Dept. of Aero & Mech. Engineering
> JJ D DD SS Carleton University (Ottawa, Canada)
> JJ D DD SS
>JJ JJ D DD SS SS E-Mail: jste...@ccs.carleton.ca
> JJJJ DDDD SSSS
>"Without crucifixion, this county would be in a RIGHT BLOODY
>MESS!!!...NAIL HIM UP I SAY!!..NAIL SOME SENSE INTO HIM!!!!"
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Dave Martin
>In article <TZ4mHB...@berry.Cary.NC.US> p...@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>>> After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>>> former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>>> EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>>I don't know where you got that story from, but it's not from any
>>episode of the show.
>It's from the hardcover novel "Reunion". Completely noncanon, of course...
>I'll accept this story for JC's death until Paramount says otherwise.
Ahem. Somehow I don't think this works with what Paramount has already given
us. In 'Violations', Beverly's memory is of when Picard brought Jack's *body*
home (and, unless I'm mistaken, Picard commented in 'Encounter at Farpoint' to
Wesley that he had done just that). I think that if Jack Crusher were killed
outside the ship by the shields or warp engines being activated there would
not have been a body, unless they have an S.O.P. for regenerating the dead
body on the transporter pad so they have something to take home... :}
While I enjoy the books at times, I think that they should have waited until
TNG was no longer being produced before allowing books. With TOS, the books
came along later, and didn't have to compete with the series for explaining
events. With TNG books you've got people filling in the gaps and dropping in
references while the series is still active - one reason that most people don't
consider the books to be canon.
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David Deitch
AC> This may have been answered before. Does anyone know how
AC> Picard was involved in Weslley's father's death. The episode
AC> "Coming of Age" alludes to it, but does little in explaining it.
How's WashU this spring? <Grin>
The book Reunion explains all this. Good story. If it is out in paperback
yet, I could always depend on Schnucks to have the latest Star Trek story.
David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta
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Jonathan Stevenson
some time!) and failed to find anything definite about Wesley's
father's death, apart from a line in the episode "Families" when
Beverly Crusher says to Deanna Troy that Wesley had finally "Come to
terms with his father's death". Sorry for any inconvenience and/or
concern I may have caused. (Incidently, I have never read ANY TNG
book so if I accidently described something that was in one of them,
it must of been sheer fluke!)
The story I recounted on my last message is actually a theme/story
line from the original series (Court Martial) when Kirk is on trial
for apparently killing one of his crew while he was outside making
repairs.
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JOHN HEIM
>In article <TZ4mHB...@berry.Cary.NC.US> p...@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>>>
>>> After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>>> former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>>> EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>
>>I don't know where you got that story from, but it's not from any
>>episode of the show.
>
>It's from the hardcover novel "Reunion". Completely noncanon, of course...
>I'll accept this story for JC's death until Paramount says otherwise.
Yeah, non-canon but a good story, huh?
John G. Heim Email: he...@macc.wisc.edu
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Robert E Davis
>After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>Nacelles?). Things started to go wrong (I believe that the STARGAZER
>came under attack) while Picard's men were outside. I believe his
>delay concerned the activation of the defense fields around the
>STARGAZER. Anyways, his delay put the STARGAZER in jeopardy but they
>did manage to get most of the EVA team inside. However, Picard had to
>act and make a very difficult decision fast - either save the ship or
>save Mr.Crusher. Obviously, he chose the former course of action,
>stranding Crusher outside and killing him when either the force fields
>were activated or the engines were turned on.
No, no, no -- Jack was sent out on EVA to repair the AE-35
unit which the computer predicted would fail within 72 hours. While
Jack was outside the ship, the entire crew was knocked unconscious.
Then when Jack was done with the repairs, he couldn't get back in.
"Open the shuttle bay doors, computer," he kept repeating, but the
computer responded (in Majel Barrett's voice) "I'm afraid I can't do
that, Jack."
He finally got in through an emergency hatch and turned off the
computer. He was then taken to some plane of higher consciousness in
a hotel room that was never really explained -- which is why Wesley
had such a hard time understanding what happened, I suppose.
I'll never forget that scene in which we hear Majel Barrett
singing "Daisy" in her bass register, and that cool scene in which
Picard goes jogging in that round room.
They should have known something was wrong when the computer
said the universe was a spheroid region 35 kilometers in diameter.
Classic.
Robert
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> In <jstevens.700502973@cunews> jste...@thuma.carleton.ca (Jonathan Stevenson) writes:
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>>In <1992Mar12.1...@wuecl.wustl.edu> a...@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>
>>>This may have been answered before. Does anyone know how
>>>Picard was involved in Weslley's father's death. The episode
>>>"Coming of Age" alludes to it, but does little in explaining it.
>>>
>>>______________________________________________________
>>>Anuj Chandra
>>>
>
>
>>I can't remeber exactly which episode it appeared in (but I recall it
>>was near the time when Wesley FINALLY left the big E, to the delight
>>of many TNG fans) but I do remember that the death of Wesley's father
>>was explained in fair detail. This is what I remember about it:
>
>>After (or maybe during) that ill-fated ferengi encounter by Picard's
>>former ship (the STARGAZER), Picard sent several men outside to attempt
>>EVA repairs to a crucial section of the ship (prob. the Warp Drive
>>Nacelles?). Things started to go wrong
This much is correct ( It is told what happens in full detail in the novel
REUNION this is the rest....there was Wesley's father and another character
from the Stargazer crew....They were on EVA to sever one of the warp nacelles
(I do not remember which..this is from memory) because the damage was so bad it
could have exploded at any time...radio contact was lost...due to radiation
from the nacelle....Picard goes out to try to help them....the other character
panicked and fled back to the airlock...Wesley's father stayed, after trying
to call the other officer back, to continue the work....the other character
finally turned back to rejoin Wesley's father but it was too late, the nacelle
explodes, and knocks the character over a section of the hull into Picard's
arms....(he had just arrived, and had not seen the the panicing of the officer)
Crusher was killed, and the Stargazer was not dammaged too heavily.
>
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>> JJ DDDD SSSS Jonathan D Stevenson
>> JJ D DD SS SS Dept. of Aero & Mech. Engineering
>> JJ D DD SS Carleton University (Ottawa, Canada)
>> JJ D DD SS
>>JJ JJ D DD SS SS E-Mail: jste...@ccs.carleton.ca
>> JJJJ DDDD SSSS
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>>"Without crucifixion, this county would be in a RIGHT BLOODY
>>MESS!!!...NAIL HIM UP I SAY!!..NAIL SOME SENSE INTO HIM!!!!"
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