Star Trek: Picard Season 2 Will See John de Lancie's Q Return

[Ubiquitous]

Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.

Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.

De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
will mark his first live-action return to the role since Star Trek:
Voyager.

The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!

https://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ

De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
will mark his first live-action return to the role since Star Trek:
Voyager.

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[Wolffan]

On 2021 Apr06, Ubiquitous wrote
(in article<Jd2dnRm1g67G8PD9...@giganews.com>):

> Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
> day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
> encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
> debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
> Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
>
> Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
> empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
> Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
> teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
> omnipotent superbeing Q.
>
> De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved

‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying that the
Borg Queen was beloved...

[Lynn McGuire]

“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”

No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !

2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

Lynn

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote in
news:Jd2dnRm1g67G8PD9...@giganews.com:

> De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role

Beloved? Q is one of the most annoying, pointless characters I have
ever seen in any television show that I have ever watched. Nearly as
annoying as Will Ferrel in Elf. Q is the biggest reason I stopped
watching TNG.

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Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

[anim8rfsk]

I LOVE LUCY went off the air in 1957, almost 10 years before Star Trek TOS
began.

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“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

[A Friend]

In article
<533487606.639514061.30...@news.easynews.com>,

I think they meant Here's Lucy or one of those endless Lucy retreads.

BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

[J. Clarke]

Check again. Paramount was Paramount and DesiLu was DesiLu until
1968. Paramount was started in 1914, Desilu in 1950. And Paramount
was a major studio from the start.

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8k6s6g5q9fnanijtu...@4ax.com:

Star Trek, however, was a Desilu productio. (And Lucille Ball was a
real mover and shaker at the business end of television at a time
when girls weren't generally allowed in the tree house at all.)

[Adam H. Kerman]

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>. . .

>2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
>stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
>was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
>the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

One moment please.

Lucille Ball was NOT the first CEO of Paramount nor a Paramount executive
at any time. Paramount was one of the eight Hollywood major studios during
the 30s 40s and 50s. It had several ventures into early television and
did some television production in the 1950s but had no television
subsidiary when it bought out DesiLu.

DesiLu began as a production company only for I Love Lucy and rented its
studio space. Later, DesiLu bought out RKO facilities -- the main studio
in Hollywood and the former Pathe studio in Culver City -- and the 40
Acres back lot, also in Culver City. This gave them more studios for
production space than their competitors, mainly because they generally
weren't making movies.

A couple years after their divorce, Lucy bought out her ex-husband, so
THAT'S when she became the first woman to head a television studio.

Later, Lucy sold DesiLu to Paramount where it became Paramount
Television but Lucy was not an executive there.

[Adam H. Kerman]

A Friend wrote:

>. . .

>BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
>stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.

I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.

I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.

[Lynn McGuire]

In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/

She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.

Lynn

[anim8rfsk]

If she said that she would have been wrong.

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[Lynn McGuire]

So give me some facts.

Lynn

[anim8rfsk]

The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”

Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode

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[Adam H. Kerman]

I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?

Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.

[anim8rfsk]

MeTV has an article about this. It’s wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
about the cheapest thing on their:

https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

You’ll find more budgets in the comments

[Adam H. Kerman]

They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

>You'll find more budgets in the comments

Were the budget numbers wrong or you're saying they left shows off the
list?

Yeah, Star Trek's budget in context isn't excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.

[anim8rfsk]

This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..

>> You’ll find more budgets in the comments
>
> Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
> list?

Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)

>
> Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
> wrong.
>

I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Even if they charged all the sets built for the series to the pilot's
budget I'm just not seeing that number short of inventing the technology
itself.

>>> You’ll find more budgets in the comments
>>
>> Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
>> list?
>
>Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
>in the first place. :-)
>
>>
>> Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
>> wrong.
>>
>
>I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
>it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.

She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.

Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.

There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.

I don't spot any other productions at the end.

[BTR1701]

In article
<357442841.639546672.03...@news.easynews.com>,

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> > They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?

> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
> don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
> that high.

Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)

[J. Clarke]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:56:51 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net>

Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.

[anim8rfsk]

They did. That’s where all the money in the pilot comes from, is building
the tunnel set and the 800 story complex and the location footage with the
helicopters in the private jets out in the desert.

The same thing happens with the pilots for Star Trek and lost in space.
They pay for all that production value for the series to follow. Lost in
space seriously rebuilt the Jupiter two though when they went into
production, but they made up for it with lots of FX footage to reuse in the
first several episodes. Star Trek got two bites at the apple with its two
pilots. They used the second pilot budget to add lights to the 11 foot
enterprise model (which only appears in one scene in the first pilot!).

>>>> You’ll find more budgets in the comments
>>>
>>> Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
>>> list?
>>
>> Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
>> in the first place. :-)
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
>> it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
>
> The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
> It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.
>
> She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
> no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.
>

Norway is Gene Roddenberry.

> Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
>
> There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
> of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
> studio.
>
> I don't spot any other productions at the end.
>

Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one. And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.

[anim8rfsk]

It occurs to me you’d probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.

[Nyssa]

I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.

That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?

Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones

Nyssa,

[Adam H. Kerman]

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>You’ll find more budgets in the comments

>>>>Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
>>>>list?

>>>Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
>>>in the first place. :-)

>>>>Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
>>>>wrong.

>>>I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
>>>it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.

>>The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
>>It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.

>>She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
>>no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.

>Norway is Gene Roddenberry.

Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?

Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.

>>Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.

>>There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
>>of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
>>studio.

>>I don't spot any other productions at the end.

>Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
>I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one.

I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
don't recall seeing a Desilu logo on first season Mannix nor Mission:
Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.

>And I have long since
>given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
>It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
>wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
>Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
>second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
>wrong.

Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.

[anim8rfsk]

Nyssa <Ny...@LogicalInsight.net> wrote:
> BTR1701 wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <357442841.639546672.03...@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam H. Kerman <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
>>
>>> This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel

>>> Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big

>>> numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
>>> high.
>>
>> Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
>> course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
>> so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
>
> I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
> may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
> the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
> stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
> it's by Johnny Williams.
>
> That may have been his first composition for film or
> TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
>
> Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
> 20th century ones
>
> Nyssa,
>

CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several shows, including:
Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they’re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960

[anim8rfsk]

Ian‘s wiki on Norway. I have no idea if Roddenberry actually had cash in
the deal but I am told that at one point he owned a third of Star Trek
outright. And offered to sell it for 1 million bucks. And was turned down.
This also says that DesiLu became Paramont halfway through season two of
track which would be halfway through season one of Mannix and mission
impossible. So maybe they did start out with the DesiLu logo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_Corporation?wprov=sfti1

>> And I have long since
>> given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
>> It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
>> wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
>> Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
>> second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
>> wrong.
>
> Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.
>

It spells Desi Lu as two words both capitalized. I have no idea why.


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[BTR1701]

In article
<86142082.639554377.66...@news.easynews.com>,

What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)

[anim8rfsk]

Cool beans

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[Lynn McGuire]

And the "The Untouchables" had just finished production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)

She mentioned in her biography about having to go to New York City every
year to meet the shareholders in Desilu since it was a public company.

Lynn

[Lynn McGuire]

I would call those $200,000/episode.

"Lucille Ball is the reason we have 'Star Trek' — here's what happened"

https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7


"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers — overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."

Lynn

[anim8rfsk]

I wouldn’t. And I certainly wouldn’t call them more than $200,000 an
episode.


> “Lucille Ball is the reason we have ‘Star Trek’ — here’s what happened”

>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7
>
>
>
> "It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
> Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
> performers —

So she was wrong about that too.

overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."
>
> Lynn
>
>

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