HAS ANYONE NOTICED THE MAJOR TRILL MISTAKE?
Dr. No
I was watching the episode of ST:TNG where Doctor Crusher falls in love
with "Odan" the Trill Ambassador and then he -- the symbiont -- is placed
inside of Cmdr. Riker. In this episode, the Trill race had Y-shaped ridges
on their heads and no "tattoos" that run down the side of their heads like
Dax and other Trill do on DS9.
Are there *TWO* races on the Trill homeworld? Or is there another planet
of Trill who live in a separate society like the Vulcans and Romulans? Can
someone clear this up or has this been addressed somewhere?
Anonymous
In article <stormwatch29-2...@209.6.39.184>,
Just like THE MAJOR KLINGON MISTAKE. The Old Series Klingons look much
different then the TNG/etc Klingons. Maybe there are two races of Klingons.
Either that or they (the producers/etc) just decided to make them look
different because they felt like it and decided to forget continuity.
Jeenaa
On 21 May 1998 18:35:09 +0200, nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>In article <stormwatch29-2...@209.6.39.184>,
>stormw...@hotmail.com (Dr. No ) wrote:
>
>> Are there *TWO* races on the Trill homeworld? Or is there another planet
>> of Trill who live in a separate society like the Vulcans and Romulans? Can
>> someone clear this up or has this been addressed somewhere?
>
>Just like THE MAJOR KLINGON MISTAKE. The Old Series Klingons look much
>different then the TNG/etc Klingons. Maybe there are two races of Klingons.
There is a DS9 episode in which the crew Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir go
back to Kirk's time. Worf and Odo were sitting in a bar and there
were Klingons there too. Odo mentioned how different they looked and
Worf replied that there was an outbreak of a Genetic disease on the
Klingon homeworld,
I don't know what that episode was.
Reverend Sean O'Hara
Jeenaa wrote:
> There is a DS9 episode in which the crew Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir go
> back to Kirk's time. Worf and Odo were sitting in a bar and there
> were Klingons there too. Odo mentioned how different they looked and
> Worf replied that there was an outbreak of a Genetic disease on the
> Klingon homeworld,
>
> I don't know what that episode was.
Trials and Tribblations probably, but that's not what happened. Odo
asked about the Klingons and Worf replied "We do not like to talk about
it." Nothing more that I remember.
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ORDOVER
Let me see if I understand this:
If you had an actress as stunningly beautiful as Terry Farrell, would you cover
her face in stucko?
Me neither.
I'd rather lose the continuity.
John Ordover
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Jeff Jacques
ORDOVER (ord...@aol.com) writes:
> Let me see if I understand this:
>
> If you had an actress as stunningly beautiful as Terry Farrell, would you cover
> her face in stucko?
>
> Me neither.
>
> I'd rather lose the continuity.
LOL, John -- good one! I believe that was the real reasoning. They
didn't want to mar Terry's lovely face with all that prosthetic
paraphernalia, so they altered the appearance of the Trill species.
--Jeff
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>ORDOVER (ord...@aol.com) writes:
>> Let me see if I understand this:
>>
>> If you had an actress as stunningly beautiful as Terry Farrell, would you
cover
>> her face in stucko?
>>
>> Me neither.
>>
>> I'd rather lose the continuity.
>
>LOL, John -- good one! I believe that was the real reasoning. They
>didn't want to mar Terry's lovely face with all that prosthetic
>paraphernalia, so they altered the appearance of the Trill species.
Actually, I believe Terry was allergic to the "stucco" and so they came up
with the spots!
Marc
LaLa & Po
Other species who have changed:
The original Cardassians who first appeared on TNG did not have the grayish
skin - they had normal Earth-Caucasian skin tone. I'm not sure, but I think
their hair was brown and they had facial hair.
The original Bajorans had bumps in the forehead in addition to the ridges on
the nose.
The original Romulans looked exactly like Vulcans.
Besides the obvious differences between the Klingons on TOS and TNG, DS9 &
Vgr, Klingons in the movies have had far less junk going on on their heads
than the TV Klingons.
Robert Oliver
> Either that or they (the producers/etc) just decided to make them look
> different because they felt like it and decided to forget continuity.
They did not like the way Terry Farrell (sp?) looked in the original
Trill make-up design. I believe you can see the test footage on the
making of DS9 video.
The logical solution is that Odan was simply a different humanoid race
that may or may not be indigenous to Trill.
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Robert Oliver
ORDOVER wrote:
>
> Let me see if I understand this:
>
> If you had an actress as stunningly beautiful as Terry Farrell, would you cover
> her face in stucko?
>
> Me neither.
>
> I'd rather lose the continuity.
Which is exactly the line of thinking that infuriates many fans.
Continuity gets thrown to the wind for vanity's sake? The Trill problem
can be rationalized easily, but knowing how the decision was made
doesn't please me. I kind of thought Star Trek was *supposed* to be a
bit beyond worrying about simple looks (but then there's 7 of 9....)
Robert Oliver
> Besides the obvious differences between the Klingons on TOS and TNG, DS9 &
> Vgr, Klingons in the movies have had far less junk going on on their heads
> than the TV Klingons.
Not entirely. We have seen a broad range of Klingon foreheads in the
movies, ranging from the huge foreheads in TMP, to General Chang's
almost complete lack of a forehead ridge in ST6.
Stephen Smith
I think there is a fair time lag (some years ?) between the episodes and the
story writers simply changed / developed the style of the trills.
Sutar
LaLa & Po
wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy??
and NooNoo, for that matter!
Sutar
--
"...and is our future wounded by
philosophies our daddies had?"
-- Karen & Shelley Poole
Luvhomescl
>The logical solution is that Odan was simply a different humanoid race
>that may or may not be indigenous to Trill.
Or that there are a number of races who are compatable with Trill symbionts.
I have no problem thinking up reasonable ways to explain this without screwing
up continuity.
-m
Luvhomescl
>
>Jeenaa wrote:
>> There is a DS9 episode in which the crew Sisko, Kira, Dax, Bashir go
>> back to Kirk's time. Worf and Odo were sitting in a bar and there
>> were Klingons there too. Odo mentioned how different they looked and
>> Worf replied that there was an outbreak of a Genetic disease on the
>> Klingon homeworld,
>>
>> I don't know what that episode was.
>
>Trials and Tribblations probably, but that's not what happened. Odo
>asked about the Klingons and Worf replied "We do not like to talk about
>it." Nothing more that I remember.
>
>-
It was Trials and Tribs, and I remember:-)
The others ask Worf why the early Klingons look different, and they ask "was it
a viral mutation? Genetic engineering? (etc)"
Worf answers "we do not discuss it with outsiders."
A *wonderful* way to acknowlege and deal with the continuity error. I don't
think they could have done better.:-D I loved it.
-m
Blake Richardson
>LaLa & Po
>wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy?? and NooNoo, for that matter!
What the hell are you talking about?
Sutar
> >LaLa & Po
>
> >wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy?? and NooNoo, for that matter!
>
>
>
> What the hell are you talking about?
>
hahahaha.....the poster i replied to was called 'LaLa & Po', sully boi!
NICOLE FREDERICKS
Sutar wrote:
>
> LaLa & Po
>
> wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy??
> and NooNoo, for that matter!
>
> --
> "...and is our future wounded by
> philosophies our daddies had?"
> -- Karen & Shelley Poole
>
LaLa & Po
NICOLE FREDERICKS wrote in message <35681E...@sunline.net>...
>Sutar wrote:
>>
>> LaLa & Po
>>
>> wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy??
>> and NooNoo, for that matter!
>>
>> Sutar
Tinky Winky and Dipsy are too intellectually advanced for Star Trek. Only
LaLa & Po are silly enough to watch.
Sutar
> >> LaLa & Po
> >>
> >> wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy??
> >> and NooNoo, for that matter!
> >>
> >> Sutar
>
>
> Tinky Winky and Dipsy are too intellectually advanced for Star Trek.
Only
> LaLa & Po are silly enough to watch.
well, what do TW & D watch??
and why do u say the boys are too advanced, but the *girls* are silly
enuff??
and u still didnt tell me where NooNoo was.
LaLa & Po
Sorry, we weren't clearer - it's a matter of age, not gender. LaLa & Po are
the youngest, and still into trivial pursuits. Tinky Winky and Dipsy don't
watch TV or movies at all. Right now they are memorizing the Encyclopaedia
Britannica and helping the Pakistanis achieve nuclear equality with India.
Noo Noo, sorry to say, has not the capacity for anything beyond sucking junk
up off the floor.
Sutar wrote in message <01bd87c8$877f0760$0f876682@k-swann>...
Reverend Sean O'Hara
Sutar wrote:
>
> > >> LaLa & Po
> > >>
> > >> wheres Tinky Winky and Dipsy??
> > >> and NooNoo, for that matter!
> > >>
> >
> Only
> > LaLa & Po are silly enough to watch.
>
> well, what do TW & D watch??
>
> and why do u say the boys are too advanced, but the *girls* are silly
> enuff??
>
--
Reverend Sean O'Hara
You to can be an ordained minister: http://ulc.org/ulc
"If I go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain. . .
If I were a good man, I'd understand the spaces between friends. . .
And if I go insane, will you still let me join in with the game?"
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If
Sutar
> Sorry, we weren't clearer - it's a matter of age, not gender. LaLa & Po
are
> the youngest, and still into trivial pursuits. Tinky Winky and Dipsy
don't
> watch TV or movies at all. Right now they are memorizing the
Encyclopaedia
> Britannica and helping the Pakistanis achieve nuclear equality with
India.
> Noo Noo, sorry to say, has not the capacity for anything beyond sucking
junk
> up off the floor.
theyre older? i never knew that.....sure, they looked bigger, but i thought
that was because of the steroids Tinks got in his lil purse...
and thats crap!! NooNoo can suck down LaaLaa's ball!!!
btw, if anyones got the videos "Here Come The Teletubbies" and "Dance with
the Teletubbies" could u tell me if theyre any good?
and do u think Dipsys trying to make up for something with the shape of
that thing on his head? hmmm
Timo S Saloniemi
In article <stormwatch29-2...@209.6.39.184> stormw...@hotmail.com (Dr. No ) writes:
>
>I was watching the episode of ST:TNG where Doctor Crusher falls in love
>with "Odan" the Trill Ambassador and then he -- the symbiont -- is placed
>inside of Cmdr. Riker. In this episode, the Trill race had Y-shaped ridges
>on their heads and no "tattoos" that run down the side of their heads like
>Dax and other Trill do on DS9.
Also, the slug itself was larger and more vicious-looking, plus it clawed
its own way into the host body whereas Dax seems to be more passive and
has to be placed into Jadzia or Verad by hand in "Invasive Procedures".
>Are there *TWO* races on the Trill homeworld? Or is there another planet
>of Trill who live in a separate society like the Vulcans and Romulans? Can
>someone clear this up or has this been addressed somewhere?
It hasn't been directly addressed, nor have the ridgeheads been seen again.
So it's pick and choose time:
1) Ignore this as a typical Trek inconsistency
2) Say that there are two or more races that can act as Trill hosts.
Perhaps there are also two ore more races of Trill symbionts?
3) Say that Odan's host had facial surgery performed on him, as did
the follow-up female host
If you placidly choose #1, aren't you reading the wrong newsgroups? We
are here to fight mercilessly about these things as if they were real!
If you choose #2, you have to explain why we never again see the ridgeheads.
Perhaps they were an (illegal?) experiment of integrating the symbionts
with a new type of hosts, and are only allowed to exist on some distant
Trill colony world, as you speculate? That would also explain why Odan
was so secretive about his true nature. It sounds a bit convoluted, though.
If you choose #3, you have the widest range of options.
-perhaps Odan just liked ridges more than spots, and insisted that his
every host have them?
-perhaps there was a religious significance to his chosen appearance?
-perhaps Odan wore a disguise to conceal his true form? Perhaps to
hide the Trill secret, or a personal secret?
-perhaps Odan wore a disguise to impersonate someone? For example, he
might have been involved in some negotiations that required him to
look like the inhabitants of planet X, and when he got called to
do the other negotiations aboard the E-D, he didn't bother to remove
the disguise?
-etc. etc.
Just tailor the story to your liking. Paramount is unlikely to ever
return to it anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
Bennet Marks
LaLa & Po wrote:
>
> Other species who have changed:
>
> The original Cardassians who first appeared on TNG did not have the grayish
> skin - they had normal Earth-Caucasian skin tone. I'm not sure, but I think
> their hair was brown and they had facial hair.
>
> The original Bajorans had bumps in the forehead in addition to the ridges on
> the nose.
>
> The original Romulans looked exactly like Vulcans.
>
> Vgr, Klingons in the movies have had far less junk going on on their heads
> than the TV Klingons.
Most of these had no effect on any of the plotlines, so they never
bothered me.
However, the similarity of Romulans and Vulcans was actually *the* key
plot point in the ST:TOS episode in which Romulans were introduced, so I
found the decision to make Romulans look non-Vulcan incomprehnsible.
And they looked better in the old days, too.
Anybody remember when Romulans were the "honorable enemy" and the
Klingons were just smeaky and rotten? They seem to have switched
places.
As ever,
Bennet
LaLa & Po
Sutar wrote in message <01bd8894$7a6c57e0$0f876682@k-swann>...
>
>theyre older? i never knew that.....sure, they looked bigger, but i thought
>that was because of the steroids Tinks got in his lil purse...
But of course - Tinky Winky's, Dipsy's, LaaLaa's & Po's pronunciation,
vocabulary & grammar correspond to size. The bigger the tubby, the better
the whatever. It can only be explained by age.
>and thats crap!! NooNoo can suck down LaaLaa's ball!!!
The ball was on the floor, wasn't it?
>and do u think Dipsys trying to make up for something with the shape of
>that thing on his head? hmmm
Of course not. Each is duly proud of his or hers unique configuration
including shape & color.
Sutar
> >theyre older? i never knew that.....sure, they looked bigger, but i
thought
> >that was because of the steroids Tinks got in his lil purse...
>
> But of course - Tinky Winky's, Dipsy's, LaaLaa's & Po's pronunciation,
> vocabulary & grammar correspond to size. The bigger the tubby, the
better
> the whatever. It can only be explained by age.
true
> >and thats crap!! NooNoo can suck down LaaLaa's ball!!!
>
> The ball was on the floor, wasn't it?
>
nope!! they throw it around, and NooNoo catches it and sucks it
down......AND oneday he had to suck tubby custard off his eyes coz they
were jumping around too much and it splashed him
>
> >and do u think Dipsys trying to make up for something with the shape of
> >that thing on his head? hmmm
>
> Of course not. Each is duly proud of his or hers unique configuration
> including shape & color.
why do all the tubbies have blankets that dont cover their feet?
Greg Bryant
Timo S Saloniemi (tsal...@rikki.hut.fi) pondered mightily:
: In article <stormwatch29-2...@209.6.39.184> stormw...@hotmail.com (Dr. No ) writes:
: >
: >I was watching the episode of ST:TNG where Doctor Crusher falls in love
: >with "Odan" the Trill Ambassador and then he -- the symbiont -- is placed
: >inside of Cmdr. Riker. In this episode, the Trill race had Y-shaped ridges
: >on their heads and no "tattoos" that run down the side of their heads like
: >Dax and other Trill do on DS9.
Same with the Bajoran's for that matter. When Ensign Ro was first
introduced, the nose ridge began on the bridge of the nose, moved upward
and extended to the left and right over the eyes. Now, it's just on the
bridge of the nose.
What about the Klingon's, too? (I know, Worf says his people don't talk
about it - it's a societal shame to them.)
--
<*>Greg Bryant<*>
<*>gbr...@kent.edu<*>
http://www2.acorn.net/~ae401
"Every sentient race has it's own version of Swedish Meatballs. I
suspect it's one of those great universal mysteries which will either
never be explained or which would drive you mad if you ever learned
the truth." - G'Kar
Julian Kleibeler
Greg Bryant schrieb in Nachricht <6ks13l$a1l$1...@usenet.kent.edu>...
[...]
>Same with the Bajoran's for that matter. When Ensign Ro was first
>introduced, the nose ridge began on the bridge of the nose, moved upward
>and extended to the left and right over the eyes. Now, it's just on the
>bridge of the nose.
[...]
True. But there are several Bajorans on DS9 who still have (or had) this
"old nose ridge" (see the two Bajorans who work in the "treasury"<sp?> where
Vash locks her treasures from her journeys with Q - Episode: "q-less", 1st
season of DS9) !!!
> <*>Greg Bryant<*>
> <*>gbr...@kent.edu<*>
Sorry for my (probably) bad english - I'm livin' in Germany ! =)
Julian (hoffm...@metronet.de)
