William Shatner's Wife Found Dead-Police
Dan Tropea
wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
understand correctly an unconcious person does not
need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
I read that they were drinkers i wonder if
alcohol contributed to her death. She was 40.
My heart does go out to him and their family. Did they
have any children?
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William Shatner's Wife Found Dead-Police
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The wife of actor William Shatner was found dead in
the
swimming pool of their North Hollywood home, Los Angeles police said early
Tuesday.
A spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said Shatner had arrived
at his home at
about 10 p.m. PDT Monday night and found his wife, Nerine Kidd, unconscious
in the
swimming pool.
``He pulled her from the pool and called 911. He listened to the 911
operator's instructions and
tried to perform CPR but he was unsuccessful,'' the spokesman, who
identified himself as
Officer Rhone, said in a telephone interview.
``The paramedics arrived at the scene and she was pronounced dead,'' he
said. Rhone said
there was no further information about the death and that an investigation
was ongoing.
Shatner, 68, is best known for his role as Captain James T. Kirk in the
1960s ``Star Trek''
television series.
Kidd, 40, was Shatner's third wife.
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Patrick M. Geahan
: This is tragic. Will Shatner found the body of his
: wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
: although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
: understand correctly an unconcious person does not
: need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
: wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
Keep in mind, Dan, in legality, you're not dead until you're pronounced
dead by someone who has the authority to do so - pretty much a docotr, or
a coroner, or something. True, it's not hard in some cases to tell if
someone's dead, but it's akin to the "innocent until proved guilty" thing
- you're "unconscious until proved dead".
In addition, unconscious simply means, well, unconscious. Doesn't respond
actively to stimuli, etc., etc. Unconscious could mean breathing/beating,
breathing/arrest, not breathing/beating, or not breathing/arrest. Cpr is
a catchall term for rescue breathing and chest compressions - so, if she
was nt breathing but her heart was beating, he'd perform rescue breathing,
which is usually termed CPR for completeness.
In other words - yeah, she was probably dead when Bill found her, but the
newspaper didn't report as such because of legal issues. And, CPR is to
be used on unconscious people only - you don't give ANY part of CPR to a
conscious person. Ever.
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Traci
Dan Tropea wrote in message ...
>This is tragic. <snips for sanity's sake>
>I read that they were CENSORED
Dan, you insensitive prick. Nice way to get your jollies, speculating
on someone's tragedy.
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Dan Tropea
a woman aged 40 is dead - cause not known and found in
a pool. Hard not to speculate. I am doing something that
is no different from millions of others - speculating.
Remember this is very much a gossip-centric society that
uses celebrities as a way of channeling it.
Also why did you trim the asg ng? Perfectly ontopic there.
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Maureen Goldman
> I read that they were drinkers i wonder if
> alcohol contributed to her death. She was 40.
Not a good thing to post, although I admit that I wondered the same thing.
Non-elderly adults don't often drown in swimming pools without some other
contributing element (heart attack, say).
.
starcro1
Dan Tropea wrote in message ...
>wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
>although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
>understand correctly an unconcious person does not
>need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
>wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
>
It is less than useless to speculate without hard facts. All we know at this
point (according top MSNBC) is that Noreen Shatner, 40, was found at the
bottom of a swimming pool. Her husband called 911, then retrieved the body
and attempted CPR, without success. The proximate cause of death is
drowning. The authorities presume Mrs. Shatner's death to be accidental,
pending results of an autopsy scheduled for tomorrow.
This is a tragic event for William Shatner. Please don't make it worse
by spinning "theories" about people whom you do not know personally.
Laura
been crying and started again as he was saying how much his wife meant
to him.
This is a horrible tragic thing to happen. He has my sympathies and I
am sending strength his way.
Laura
lao...@earthlink.net
Charlie Haase
> Just saw William Shatner make a statement for the press. . . . He
> has my sympathies and I am sending strength his way.
How so?
Curiously yours,
Charlie Haase
Charlie Haase
> Just saw William Shatner make a statement for the press. . . . He
> has my sympathies and I am sending strength his way.
How are you doing that?
Curiously yours,
Charlie Haase
Lynn
>
>This is tragic. Will Shatner found the body of his
>wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
>although he performed CPR.
>
>have any children?
They just said that they had been married less than two years. Didn't
mention kids, and I know he has grown children from another marriage.
What gets me is the news media who felt obligated to show a helicopter shot
of the body (covered) in the back yard. Gross.
I also thought it was odd he met with the press so soon, but - whatever
floats your boat.
Lynn
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Patrick M. Geahan wrote in message <7op8fs$oeh$1...@campus1.mtu.edu>...
you don't give ANY part of CPR to a
>conscious person. Ever.
I kissed a conscious person once. Was that wrong?
Brian
David Spiro
good reason to believe she did not have a pulse and was not breathing,
especially if he found her in a pool like that. That said, most
non-professionals, even with CPR training, can and do mistake
unconsciousness for cardiac arrest. Also keep in mind that this was his
wife. Your mind thinks differently when it is a loved one you are trying to
help. I speak from experience.
Also notice that the article states he was receiving instructions from the
dispatcher over the phone. This is commonplace, which tells me that he
probably had no CPR training, and was being guided by dispatcher
instructions. in those situations, when a person is found unconscious, the
EMS dispatcher will guide the person through the proper steps to determine
if she is breathing, or not, and whether or not there is a pulse present.
They will also instruct them how to perform CPR.
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Dan Tropea wrote in message ...
>This is tragic. Will Shatner found the body of his
>wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
>although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
>understand correctly an unconcious person does not
>need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
>wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
>
>I read that they were drinkers i wonder if
>alcohol contributed to her death. She was 40.
>
>My heart does go out to him and their family. Did they
>have any children?
>
Podkayne Fries
<NOTHANKS...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>(newsgroups trimmed)
>
>Dan Tropea wrote in message ...
>>This is tragic. <snips for sanity's sake>
>
>>I read that they were CENSORED
>
>Dan, you insensitive prick. Nice way to get your jollies, speculating
>on someone's tragedy.
>
A small nitpick: Dan also posted this to alt.showbiz.gossip, where
speculations of this sort are on topic and more or less required. (Not
that I'm defending him, mind you; I don't think that Traci reads
alt.showbiz.gossip, so I wanted to add this factoid.)
OTOH, that sort of off-topic, wild-eyed speculation is crass when posted
in a fan-type group and is in poor taste. But who ever said that Dan
has a clue?
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Laura
>
> [Laura]
> > Just saw William Shatner make a statement for the press. . . . He
> > has my sympathies and I am sending strength his way.
>
>
> Curiously yours,
> Charlie Haase
I saw William Shatner make his statement on TV.
The way that I am sending strength his way is just that. I am thinking
well of him and hoping he's doing all right.
Laura
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>> > Just saw William Shatner make a statement for the press. . . . He
>> > has my sympathies and I am sending strength his way.
[Charlie Haase]
>> How so?
[Laura]
> I saw William Shatner make his statement on TV.
> The way that I am sending strength his way is just that. I am thinking
> well of him and hoping he's doing all right.
Oh. Well, then, I'm sure he feels stronger already.
Nothing personal, but it seems awfully self-serving to do absolutely
nothing more than watch a grieving widower on television, and claim to
somehow be helping him.
Sorry if this offends.
Humbly yours,
Charlie Haase
mumford
>: wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
>: although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
>: understand correctly an unconcious person does not
>: need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
>: wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
>
>dead by someone who has the authority to do so - pretty much a docotr, or
>a coroner, or something. True, it's not hard in some cases to tell if
>someone's dead, but it's akin to the "innocent until proved guilty" thing
>- you're "unconscious until proved dead".
This is _absolutely_ true. The requirement for "death" varies from state
to state. In some states, a paramedic can pronounce death. However, in
some states, once a paramedic starts performing CPR on a person, they are
not permitted to stop (even if they've been doing it for 20 minutes on
someone who is obviously brain dead) until a doctor pronounces the person
dead.
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Traci
<37b04edd...@news.buckeyenet.net>...
>>(newsgroups trimmed)
>>Dan Tropea wrote in message ...
>>>This is tragic. <snips for sanity's sake>
>>>I read that they were CENSORED
>>Dan, you insensitive prick. Nice way to get your jollies, speculating
>>on someone's tragedy.
>A small nitpick: Dan also posted this to alt.showbiz.gossip, where
>speculations of this sort are on topic and more or less required. (Not
>that I'm defending him, mind you; I don't think that Traci reads
>alt.showbiz.gossip, so I wanted to add this factoid.)
::::sigh:::::: I know, Podkayne, but for some reason this just got
under my skin, and I "posted when angry" - me bad. <g> That's why I
trimmed the gossip groups, so hopefully I'd only offend the offensive
(otherwise, posting the above into gossip groups would be
like..........well, like something DT would do).
>OTOH, that sort of off-topic, wild-eyed speculation is crass when
posted
>in a fan-type group and is in poor taste. But who ever said that Dan
>has a clue?
I guess I was just wishing he had the sensitivity (HA) to post the
rumormongering stuff only to the appropriate groups. Then again, we're
talking about someone who thanks people for being such wonderful friends
after they've blantantly laughed in his face (so, who is DT....?). I
keep seeing the image of a cur who continues to lick your boots even
after you've kicked him........
Traci (Bad mood? Me? Why do you ask? <g>)
To reply, remove "NOTHANKS"
richard
Karen Kaiser wrote:
> > I also thought it was odd he met with the press so soon, but - whatever
> > floats your boat.
> >
> He needed to make a statement to get rid of the jackals. The longer he
> took to give a statement the more the press would have speculated and
> interrupted the family's grieving and harrassed them for a comment.
As far as harrassment goes, the scum-sucking vultures
known as "the press" apparently had been having their
helicopters circle his house for hours before he came
out to make his statement. In the clip I saw on TV, you
could barely hear Shatner's voice over the sound of the
rotor blades. What new low will the press sink to? Digging
up dead celebrities with bulldozers so that they can photograph
them in their coffins?
Richard
David B.
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Lynn
>>
>>What gets me is the news media who felt obligated to show a helicopter
>>shot of the body (covered) in the back yard. Gross.
>>
>
>Vultures and their need for gore. Doesn't surprise me the depths that so
>called good journalism sinks to these days.
Yuk-o. I was home with the news on when the tornado hit Salt Lake City,
today. I don't think I've heard the question, "How many casualties," asked
so many times by so many different newscasters. Ghoulish.
>> I also thought it was odd he met with the press so soon, but - whatever
>> floats your boat.
>>
>He needed to make a statement to get rid of the jackals. The longer he
>took to give a statement the more the press would have speculated and
>interrupted the family's grieving and harrassed them for a comment.
Yeah. I meant as opposed to having his publicist do it. Just seemed odd
that he was the one who met with reporters, instead of his agent. (No; it
didn't leave me wondering if he had something to do with it - I was thinking
more like, "ego". Bill Shatner? Nahhhhhhhh.)
Karen Kaiser
> mention kids, and I know he has grown children from another marriage.
He has daughters from previous marriage but no children with his current
wife.
>
> What gets me is the news media who felt obligated to show a helicopter shot
> of the body (covered) in the back yard. Gross.
>
Vultures and their need for gore. Doesn't surprise me the depths that so
called good journalism sinks to these days.
> I also thought it was odd he met with the press so soon, but - whatever
Podkayne Fries
<NOTHANKS...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Then again, we're
>talking about someone who thanks people for being such wonderful friends
>after they've blantantly laughed in his face (so, who is DT....?). I
>keep seeing the image of a cur who continues to lick your boots even
>after you've kicked him........
>
This *must* be added to Dan's FAQ.
KSP
It really sounded rather suspicous to me that she was suppose to be alone
for few minutes while he was out and then all of a sudden he finds her
dead.??? Plus the fact that they had marriage problems
is a BIGGY in cases like this.
I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is no
foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD. Right...
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Dan Tropea <dtr...@ctron.com> wrote in message
news:C0Vr3.2588$001.1264896@WReNphoon3...
> This is tragic. Will Shatner found the body of his
> wife in their pool she was at that point unconcious
> although he performed CPR. Which seems odd. If i
> understand correctly an unconcious person does not
> need cpr done on them since they are breathing. I
> wonder if in fact she wasn't already dead.
>
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: It really sounded rather suspicous to me that she was suppose to be alone
: for few minutes while he was out and then all of a sudden he finds her
: dead.??? Plus the fact that they had marriage problems
: is a BIGGY in cases like this.
: I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is no
: foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD. Right...
Such a charming view of the world you have.
I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
anything in this case. It'll keep you from looking like an insensitive clod.
tim gueguen 101867
Joey Stalin
ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN) wrote:
- snip -
>
> I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
> anything in this case. It'll keep you from looking like an
insensitive clod.
- snip -
Would it make me look like an insensitive clod to post Shatner's newest
PriceLine.com commercial? Oh well, if it looks like a duck and quacks
like a duck...
I'm William Shatner for PriceLine.com and we have a new feature you're
just going to love! First we gave you low airfares, then it was cheap
hotel rooms, now, we offer the lowest prices possible on murder for
hire! Organized crime rings have out of work muscle. Organized crime
rings HATE out of work muscle. So we get it for you cheap!
500 dollars to hit your mother in law? Yes!
750 dollars to drown your wife? Yes!
50 dollars to whack your bookie?! No!
1000 dollars to kill an elected official? ....ahh, OK!
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Skylar Thompson
>A while ago, Patrick M. Geahan <pmge...@mtu.edu> begot:
>>dead by someone who has the authority to do so - pretty much a docotr, or
>>a coroner, or something. True, it's not hard in some cases to tell if
>>someone's dead, but it's akin to the "innocent until proved guilty" thing
>>- you're "unconscious until proved dead".
>
>This is _absolutely_ true. The requirement for "death" varies from state
>to state. In some states, a paramedic can pronounce death. However, in
>some states, once a paramedic starts performing CPR on a person, they are
>not permitted to stop (even if they've been doing it for 20 minutes on
>someone who is obviously brain dead) until a doctor pronounces the person
>dead.
This testifies to the general American unintelligence (or insanity, or both), does
it not?
-Skylar Thompson (sky...@ibm.net)
Patrick M. Geahan
: This testifies to the general American unintelligence (or insanity, or both), does
: it not?
How is that? I don't see any unintelligence in anything either one of us
said. Care to elaborate?
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mumford
>In <7os4he$s...@dfw-ixnews16.ix.netcom.com>, mum...@netcom.com (mumford) writes:
>>A while ago, Patrick M. Geahan <pmge...@mtu.edu> begot:
>>>Keep in mind, Dan, in legality, you're not dead until you're pronounced
>>>dead by someone who has the authority to do so - pretty much a docotr, or
>>>a coroner, or something. True, it's not hard in some cases to tell if
>>>someone's dead, but it's akin to the "innocent until proved guilty" thing
>>>- you're "unconscious until proved dead".
>>
>>This is _absolutely_ true. The requirement for "death" varies from state
>>to state. In some states, a paramedic can pronounce death. However, in
>>some states, once a paramedic starts performing CPR on a person, they are
>>not permitted to stop (even if they've been doing it for 20 minutes on
>>someone who is obviously brain dead) until a doctor pronounces the person
>>dead.
>
>it not?
Only indirectly... it testifies to the general American attitude towards
litigiousness (ie seeking a lawsuit). In order to protect emergency care
workers (paramedics, firemen, police officers) lawsuits stemming from "what
right does he have to pronounce my husband dead? he's not a doctor!", laws
have been set up clearly stating who can and cannot pronounce death.
As for paramedics not being able to stop care once it's started, this is
just an extension: "What right does he have to stop working to save my
husband? he's not dead until a doctor says so!"
This is the same kind of crap that gave rise to the Good Samaritan Act.
Reality's bitch
:> KSP (mj2...@earthlink.net) wrote: It really sounded rather suspicous to
:> me that she was suppose to be alone for few minutes while he was out and
:> then all of a sudden he finds her dead.??? Plus the fact that they had
:> marriage problems is a BIGGY in cases like this.
:> I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is
:> no foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD.
> Such a charming view of the world you have.
I would consider her view "reality-based" rather than "charming"...
> I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
> anything in this case.
While I say everyone should scream until the police agree to a real
investigation...
> It'll keep you from looking like an insensitive clod.
Husbands kill wives, every day. And, these two were "in the middle of"
marital discord, apparently. Try to understand that he *COULD* have
killed her. It'll keep you from looking like a Trekkie...
[=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=]
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TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: > TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
: :> KSP (mj2...@earthlink.net) wrote: It really sounded rather suspicous to
: :> me that she was suppose to be alone for few minutes while he was out and
: :> then all of a sudden he finds her dead.??? Plus the fact that they had
: :> marriage problems is a BIGGY in cases like this.
: :> I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is
: :> no foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD.
: > Such a charming view of the world you have.
: I would consider her view "reality-based" rather than "charming"...
I forgot that sarcasm must be so noted on Usenet.
: > I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
: > anything in this case.
: While I say everyone should scream until the police agree to a real
: investigation...
And your proof that they aren't engaged in "a real investigation" is?
: > It'll keep you from looking like an insensitive clod.
: Husbands kill wives, every day. And, these two were "in the middle of"
: marital discord, apparently. Try to understand that he *COULD* have
: killed her.
Sure. But why start making accusations without evidence?
:It'll keep you from looking like a Trekkie...
Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
I certainly hope that if you ever have a tragedy in your life you aren't
beset by pathetic idiots making groundless accusations without any evidence.
tim gueguen 101867
Peter Heichelheim
>
> > TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
>
> :> KSP (mj2...@earthlink.net) wrote: It really sounded rather suspicous to
> :> me that she was suppose to be alone for few minutes while he was out and
> :> then all of a sudden he finds her dead.??? Plus the fact that they had
> :> marriage problems is a BIGGY in cases like this.
>
> :> I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is
> :> no foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD.
>
> > Such a charming view of the world you have.
>
> I would consider her view "reality-based" rather than "charming"...
>
> > anything in this case.
>
> While I say everyone should scream until the police agree to a real
> investigation...
>
>
> Husbands kill wives, every day. And, these two were "in the middle of"
> marital discord, apparently. Try to understand that he *COULD* have
>
>
> [=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=][=*=]
>
> vcz
> Born to get His beer...
I have heard that Shatner's wife had a severe drinking problem. If she
was drunk and swimming alone in a pool anything could happen.
Besides the police dont give all details to the public of what they
suspect especially before they have investigated. Not a good idea to do
so as they have libelled the person if they are wrong and if they are
right they have warned the suspect.
Peter
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
>
Wait a minute - isn't this the "High Priest of the First Online
Church of Star Trek" Timmy, or am I confusing my Timmies? Can't
tell 'em apart without a score card.
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
: >KSP (mj2...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: >: foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD. Right...
: >Such a charming view of the world you have.
: >I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
: >anything in this case. It'll keep you from looking like an insensitive clod.
: But isn't the point of this whole newsgroup to gossip?
Not rec.arts.tv.
: Can you
: honestly say that you didn't find the circumstances suspicious
: upon reading about the story?
Nope. People drown around water all the time. In this part of the world
several people die each year when their boats overturn when they're out
sports fishing.
:I sure did! I mean, sure it's no
: OJ scenario, but I can't recall the last time I heard of a full
: grown woman just up and drownin' in a pool.
Its not hard. There's even been press coverage of folks getting their
hair caught in pool vents and dying. I think 20/20 did a report on it
last season.
: We have these non-"charming" views of the world precisely because
: of people like OJ, or Phil Hartman's wife, or kids who shoot up
: schools, or adults who shoot up community centers.
So you'll automatically assume foul play is involved if a celeb is? How sad.
tim gueguen 101867
Peter Heichelheim
>
> TIMOTHY GUEGUEN <ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote:
> >KSP (mj2...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> >: I'd say he' s Gulity. I'm surprised that the Police say that there is no
> >: foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD. Right...
> >Such a charming view of the world you have.
> >I say you should keep quiet until someone is actually charged with
> >anything in this case. It'll keep you from looking like an insensitive clod.
>
> honestly say that you didn't find the circumstances suspicious
> OJ scenario, but I can't recall the last time I heard of a full
> grown woman just up and drownin' in a pool.
>
> of people like OJ, or Phil Hartman's wife, or kids who shoot up
> most of us would adore being sensitive, new age gossipmongers who
> believe all of the innocuous stories we are told but frankly, real
> world experience tells us otherwise. Does it not?
>
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Look at my previous post. I give a more likely scenario. Shatner's wife
was an alcoholic and if she was drunk and swimming alone in a pool
anything could have happened.
Peter
Dan Tropea
to asg as well as rat. Asg is a gossip group. Although
there is tv gossip that does go on in rat. Diva may
not have known it was xposted to rat and responded from
asg. Actually Diva is an asg regular so i suspect thats
why she mentioned about this being a gossip group - she
was talking about asg not rat. Although again it is on
topic here.
Personally i don't believe Shatner is guilty. I do think
he is acting when he mentions how much she meant to him
but i think he is guilty of nothing more then this. I
suspect this was an accidental drowning probably caused
by alcohol or drugs but we won't know that for a few weeks.
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Fries) wrote:
>On 12 Aug 1999 16:59:13 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN)
>wrote:
>
>>Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
>>
>
>Wait a minute - isn't this the "High Priest of the First Online
>Church of Star Trek" Timmy, or am I confusing my Timmies? Can't
>tell 'em apart without a score card.
I must prefer the Church of Shatnerology at:
http://www.fastlane.net/~hattan/
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> for few minutes while he was out and then all of a sudden he finds her
> dead.??? Plus the fact that they had marriage problems
> is a BIGGY in cases like this.
>
> foul play involved even before the autopsy. Then again it's LAPD. Right...
>
drive me batty. They can never take anything at face value. Maybe (Just a
novel idea) he went out for a few minutes while she swam and she had a
cramp and drowned. Ever think of that?
Karen Kaiser
> >> floats your boat.
> >>
> >He needed to make a statement to get rid of the jackals. The longer he
> >took to give a statement the more the press would have speculated and
> >interrupted the family's grieving and harrassed them for a comment.
>
> that he was the one who met with reporters, instead of his agent. (No; it
> didn't leave me wondering if he had something to do with it - I was thinking
> more like, "ego". Bill Shatner? Nahhhhhhhh.)
I don't know. Maybe it's just he wasn't thinking at the moment Gee I
should call so and so to deal with the media. Maybe he just was grieving
and said this is what happened now get the hell out of here. Depsite the
problems the man loved his wife and grief (I know from experience) doesn't
exactly leave you very clear headed.
Charlie Haase
> [....]
> It's not polite to post for the sole purpose of being an asshole, you
> know.
But apparently is *is* polite to accuse a total stranger of murder in a
public forum, with absolutely no evidence to back up the accusation.
[The Net Diva]
> Try to pay attention to the facts. That you are naieve [sic] is
> forgivable, that you don't recognize the symptoms of a likely murder is
> forgivable, but that you argue, belligerently, against points that are
> legitimate, and ignore their legitimacy, is unforgivable.
Speaking of facts, belligerence, "likely" murders and the legitimacy of
certain "points," isn't it the case that Shatner came home from an
occasion at which he was in attendance in the presence of many
witnesses, promptly found his wife's body, and immediately called the
police? Surely the coroner can determine an approximate time of death,
and would be well able to decide if Mrs. Shatner had been killed just
minutes before the arrival of perimedics.
Your twisted speculation really is quite disturbing.
Humbly yours,
Charlie Haase
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: On 12 Aug 1999 16:59:13 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN)
: wrote:
: >Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
: >
: Wait a minute - isn't this the "High Priest of the First Online
: Church of Star Trek" Timmy, or am I confusing my Timmies? Can't
: tell 'em apart without a score card.
All you gotta do is look at Deja. I think I've maybe posted 20 posts out
of 7000 or whatever it is I've written in the last 3 and a half years
that deal in any way with Star Trek. On the other hand I do frequent
alt.fan.bob-larson, one of whose regular participants founded the First
Church of Shatnerology....
tim gueguen 101867
TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:28:02 GMT, ch...@buckeyenet.net (Podkayne
: Fries) wrote:
: >On 12 Aug 1999 16:59:13 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN)
: >wrote:
: >
: >>Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
: >>
: >
: >Wait a minute - isn't this the "High Priest of the First Online
: >Church of Star Trek" Timmy, or am I confusing my Timmies? Can't
: >tell 'em apart without a score card.
: I must prefer the Church of Shatnerology at:
: http://www.fastlane.net/~hattan/
John's a funny guy.
tim gueguen 101867
Charlie Haase
>>Your twisted speculation really is quite disturbing.
[The Net Diva]
> Prove otherwise.
Prove William Shatner *didn't* kill his wife? No, I think that, as the
accuser, the burder of proof is on you.
[The Net Diva]
> That you aren't willing to admit what humans do to each other on a
> day to day basis shows an ignorance so deep that I do have to wonder
> how you have survived this long.
Are you really this obtuse? I am well aware that humans are harmful to
one another on a fairly frequent basis. Being willing to admit this is
a far cry from presuming that a *particular* person committed a
*particular* murder, solely on the basis of the fact that he found
someone dead.
I think you probably murdered your grandparents. There. How's that?
People are rotten, ergo you are not only *capable* of murder, you have
in fact done the deed. Q.E.D. Fair enough?
[The Net Diva]
> If you want to pretend the world is rose-colored, fine. Have at it.
> Your refusal to accept reality isn't my problem. BTW, I did not accuse
> Shatner of murder - I said it looked suspicious.
Why? Because someone drowned in a pool? Oh, yeah. That never
happens. In what sense am I ignoring reality when I believe that it's
the rare multimillionare who is willing to throw away fortune and
freedom for the sake of killing someone from whom he's already started
the divorce process? I'm not saying it's impossible that he killed his
wife; I'm saying that I think it's stupid and irresponsible to start
throwing out remarks like that with no basis whatsoever.
Unfortunately, however, I can't say I'm surprised.
Murderingly yours,
Charlie Haase
Karen Kaiser
>
> Nor are YOU smart enough to understand that not every death has to be a
> homicide. There is absolutely no evidence at all to suggest murder.
> You know something beyond that?
>
You know it's a good thing Jesus loves you because everyone else thinks
your an asshole.
Arthur Levesque
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Extex1013
>beset by pathetic idiots making groundless accusations without any evidence.
>
>tim gueguen 101867
Get a clue BOZO This is what we do in the ASG
extex
Michael Ritchie
>
> Prove William Shatner *didn't* kill his wife? No, I think that, as the
> accuser, the burder of proof is on you.
>
> [The Net Diva]
> > Your refusal to accept reality isn't my problem. BTW, I did not accuse
> > Shatner of murder - I said it looked suspicious.
You can't argue with her. She's probably
someone who is desperately unhappy in her
own life, who must invent suspicions and
conspiracies wherever possible to give her
life meaning.
--M.
Lori Holuta
> On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:28:02 GMT, ch...@buckeyenet.net (Podkayne
> Fries) wrote:
>
> >On 12 Aug 1999 16:59:13 GMT, ad...@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Me, a Trekkie? Hardly.
> >>
> >
> >Wait a minute - isn't this the "High Priest of the First Online
> >Church of Star Trek" Timmy, or am I confusing my Timmies? Can't
> >tell 'em apart without a score card.
>
>
> I must prefer the Church of Shatnerology at:
> http://www.fastlane.net/~hattan/
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Nancy - I *thought* that was you. Say hi to Dulce and the rest of the
furballs for me. Interesting that this thread started as news, segued into
gossip and speculation, and now veers into the surreal mystical realm. I
love usenet.
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TIMOTHY GUEGUEN
: My stating that opinion seems to make a lot of you outright hate me
Funny, but you were the one who refered to me as a "asshole" for merely
challenging some of your assumptions. Perhaps its time you looked in the
mirror....
tim gueguen 101867
Charlie Haase
> You can't argue with her. She's probably someone who is desperately
Good.
trickster
was she dressed? Was she taking a swim? Was there pool water in her
lungs?
James C. Ellis
>
> >I certainly hope that if you ever have a tragedy in your life you
> >aren't beset by pathetic idiots making groundless accusations without
> >any evidence.
>
Sounds like one helluva reason never to subscribe to ASG then...
(So you admit to being a pathetic idiot?)
Biff
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others. You are cross posted to several non gossip groups and when you cross
post you are responsible for ensuring that the content is appropriate to all
groups, not just the one you happened to read the original message in.
Extex1013 wrote:
> >I certainly hope that if you ever have a tragedy in your life you aren't
> >beset by pathetic idiots making groundless accusations without any evidence.
> >
> >tim gueguen 101867
>
> Get a clue BOZO This is what we do in the ASG
> extex
richard
> > >> I also thought it was odd he met with the press so soon, but - whatever
> > >> floats your boat.
> > >>
> > >He needed to make a statement to get rid of the jackals. The longer he
> > >took to give a statement the more the press would have speculated and
> > >interrupted the family's grieving and harrassed them for a comment.
> >
> > Yeah. I meant as opposed to having his publicist do it. Just seemed odd
> > that he was the one who met with reporters, instead of his agent. (No; it
> > didn't leave me wondering if he had something to do with it - I was thinking
> > more like, "ego". Bill Shatner? Nahhhhhhhh.)
>
> I don't know. Maybe it's just he wasn't thinking at the moment Gee I
> should call so and so to deal with the media. Maybe he just was grieving
> and said this is what happened now get the hell out of
> here.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think that is the likely scenario. The media at the time was camped on
his doorstep and circling his house with helicopters.
This seems like a damned if you do-damned if you don't scenario -
if Shatner hadn't spoken to the media and just released a press
statement, I have no doubt that people would be finding something
suspicious in that as well.
Richard
3finger
<mj2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> It really sounded rather suspicous to me that she was suppose to be alone
> for few minutes while he was out and then all of a sudden he finds her
> dead.??? Plus the fact that they had marriage problems
> is a BIGGY in cases like this.
>
Excuse me? It wasn't a few minutes. He was in Orange County the entire day
with his daughter, talking about her upcoming wedding? A bit too much O.J.
on the brain, if you ask me.
3finger
Chance
Robert Culp was the killer. IIRC, the victim was Dean Stockwell. I
believe Columbo found a puddle of non-chlorinated water next to the
pool. It came from some ice that Culp's character left at the crime
scene.
In the Shatner episode, his character was disguised as a hold-up man.
He pretended to rob a convenience store in which his victim was
shopping. He knocked-out the clerk, then shot his intended target.
Even though the murder weapon was wiped clean, Columbo found Shatner's
fingerprints on the shell casings.
Charlie Haase
>> I certainly hope that if you ever have a tragedy in your life you
>> aren't beset by pathetic idiots making groundless accusations without
>> any evidence.
[Extex]
> Get a clue BOZO This is what we do in the ASG
Oh. Well, then, I hope you *are* beset by pathetic idiots making
groundless accusations without any evidence.
Actually, I see the likelihood as pretty high. "Birds of a feather,"
and all that.
Accusingly yours,
Charlie Haase
Julian Buczek
>
> Traci there are a lot of people speculating over at asg
> a woman aged 40 is dead - cause not known and found in
> a pool. Hard not to speculate. I am doing something that
> is no different from millions of others - speculating.
>
> Remember this is very much a gossip-centric society that
> uses celebrities as a way of channeling it.
The alt.showbiz.gossip group is full of freaks, AOL, and WebTV
losers. I wouldn't be suprised if they were laughing over the
death.
> Also why did you trim the asg ng? Perfectly ontopic there.
Like I said before, I don't think Traci would want to associate
herself with the alt.showbiz.gossip children.
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>
> You know it's a good thing Jesus loves you because everyone else
> thinks your an asshole.
Oh, Karen. Confusing yourself with someone else again. I don't know
why God puts up with you. One more thing: P-U-N-C-T-U-A-T-I-O-N ...
Karen Kaiser
least appear any less desperate.
> (which gives me no end to amusement) and makes you want to manufacture
> a horrible life for me in your minds. But all the wishing in the world
> does not automatically make Shatner innocent and does not automatically
> make me "desperately unhappy" in my "own life".
>
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and reality. :-)
>
> BTW, I hadn't notice this was crossposted to Trekkie groups originally.
> Now your reactions all make a world of sense to me.
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>
Brian OConaill
Charlie Haase wrote in message <7p0bsf$ia7$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>...
I'm saying that I think it's stupid and irresponsible to start
>throwing out remarks like that with no basis whatsoever.
If you read the anti-faq for this site you might notice a term
YABWFTNOTNG. And since you're cross-posting here that would be polite.
Brian
Traci
>Traci there are a lot of people speculating over at asg
>a woman aged 40 is dead - cause not known and found in
>a pool. Hard not to speculate. I am doing something that
>is no different from millions of others - speculating.
::::::thwack with a clue stick:::::::
::::sigh::::
Didn't think it would work, but........
>Remember this is very much a gossip-centric society that
>uses celebrities as a way of channeling it.
Oh, it's okay since it's a celebrity? Ah, I see now. So, if someone in
your neighborhood drown, you wouldn't go to the memorial service and
say to her family & friends, "Ya know, the whole way she died was
suspicious". That's good to know.....
>Also why did you trim the asg ng? Perfectly ontopic there.
Yeah, my assessment of you probably would be..........
Traci (to reply, remove "NOTHANKS")
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Brian OConaill
Brian OConaill wrote in message <7p430v$gm0$3...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Oh Jeez - that was a really inappropriate thing to accidentally cross-post.
(I'm reading Alt.showbiz.gossip)
Brian (cringing)
*NaNcY*
Basically he is saying that if you cross post to ASG, you better
expect to face the consequences!
Traci
<snips>
>Like I said before, I don't think Traci would want to associate
>herself with the alt.showbiz.gossip children.
Thank you Julian.
Karen Kaiser
> > thinks your an asshole.
>
> Oh, Karen. Confusing yourself with someone else again. I don't know
> why God puts up with you. One more thing: P-U-N-C-T-U-A-T-I-O-N ...
>
Karen Kaiser
> > thinks your an asshole.
>
School's out or haven't you heard?
Dave Roy
<tro...@webtv.net> saying:
>Personally i don't believe Shatner is guilty. I do think
>he is acting when he mentions how much she meant to him
why do you think this? Because they were supposedly having marital
problems? Just because you're having problems with somebody doesn't
mean you love them any less, or that they mean anything less to you.
Dave Roy
Kavking
>In the Shatner episode, his character was disguised as a hold-up man.
>He pretended to rob a convenience store in which his victim was
>shopping. He knocked-out the clerk, then shot his intended target.
>Even though the murder weapon was wiped clean, Columbo found Shatner's
>fingerprints on the shell casings.
>
>
Actually, it was a sandwhich shop, and the victim was some kind of celebrity.
He also did another Columbo where he used a vcr to tape a baseball game, and
reset his friend's watch, the friend being his alibi.
K
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>
> School's out or haven't you heard?
S-U-M-M-E-R S-C-H-O-O-L, but I don't think that would help you
much either.
Wayne Poe
On 13 Aug 1999, Arthur Levesque wrote:
> Was she wearing a red shirt at the time?
ROTFLMAO!! That's the best one yet!
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