Defiant: O'Brien & Riker EXPLAINED!
David Lulkin
possible spoilers....
OK, here it is....
Tom says to O'Brien "You know", or somthing to that effect...
O'Brien was in on the theft of the Defiant!!!!!!
Think about it. How long would it take to set up that fake warp-core
breach?
Well, O'Brien was working there all day....
And O'Brien DID know EXACTLY what Riker was taking about. It was time to
leave, so he wouldn't get implicated.
We all know that O'Brien hates the Cardies. He probably hates them more
after that damned trial. What better way than to get them tha commit a
crime that he had already been cleared of, joining the Maquis.
O'Brien, the traitor........
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No, O'Brien wasn't in cahoots with Riker to steal the ship. Note the
puzzled look on O'Brien's face as he leaves; if O'Brien was in cahoots
he would not have had such a puzzled look.
It was simply a confusing ruse Riker used to get rid of O
It was simply a confusing ruse Riker used to get rid of O'Brien, nothing
more. Unfortunately, Trek's writers did a poor job here, too; they
foreshadowed something that never popped up. That exchange *should*
have meant something, or have been explained later, and wasn't. We're
all trying to figure this out as if the writers had something in mind.
They just screwed up. One of several.
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> Think about it. How long would it take to set up that fake warp-core
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> And O'Brien DID know EXACTLY what Riker was taking about. It was time to
> leave, so he wouldn't get implicated.
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> We all know that O'Brien hates the Cardies. He probably hates them more
> after that damned trial. What better way than to get them tha commit a
> crime that he had already been cleared of, joining the Maquis.
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Or is he just part of the Federations secret task force in
charge of getting Secret information from the Cardies, using
the Maqui as a cover-up.
Sisko might not have known about it, but then again he might
have.
O'brein was confused for a second not because of TOM, but
because of KIRA. He didn't know that she didn't know.
Jeff Strabone
<sfre...@igc.apc.org> wrote:
> No, O'Brien wasn't in cahoots with Riker to steal the ship. Note the
> puzzled look on O'Brien's face as he leaves; if O'Brien was in cahoots
> he would not have had such a puzzled look.
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> It was simply a confusing ruse Riker used to get rid of O'Brien, nothing
> more. Unfortunately, Trek's writers did a poor job here, too; they
> foreshadowed something that never popped up. That exchange *should*
> have meant something, or have been explained later, and wasn't. We're
> all trying to figure this out as if the writers had something in mind.
> They just screwed up. One of several.
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Perhaps Thomas Riker has a prejudice against transporter officers in
general now. Was O'Brian on the ship that stranded Thomas Riker on that
planet? Of course, O'Brian would have had no idea that either of these
was the reason. That's why he looked confused.
Jeff Strabone
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>No, O'Brien wasn't in cahoots with Riker to steal the ship. Note the
>puzzled look on O'Brien's face as he leaves; if O'Brien was in cahoots
>he would not have had such a puzzled look.
>It was simply a confusing ruse Riker used to get rid of O'Brien, nothing
>more. Unfortunately, Trek's writers did a poor job here, too;
Bull hockey.
Trek fans are just too dumb to figure out the pobvious.
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I have yet to hear an explanation to make sense. We all know O'brien is not
the type to be insulted and just walk out confused. But, then again, he
controls his feelings well enough not to join the Maquis. Which leaves the
writers as stupid for putting in a scene that was uneeded and just caused
confusion.
Craig Wisehart
Marshall) writes:
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i just picked up this thread but it seems very simply to me that tom riker
knew he would be in trouble if he got into a detailed conversation with
miles. the answer is for him to come on strong and hope o'brien just left.
knowing his personality (respect for authority) that was a good bet. it
worked
Choi T. Kwok
How's this: O'Brien was the Transporter Chief who was "responsible"
for the creation of the 2nd Riker. However, Riker2 (He uses his
middle name, Thomas, I believe) was busted to Lieutenant since you
couldn't have two Commander Rikers. Riker2 probably blames O'Brien
for his troubles.
(Pardon me if I've made any mistakes.)
-Choi
ANDREW GALBRAITH
: How's this: O'Brien was the Transporter Chief who was "responsible"
: -Choi
I believe this has been said previously...
The episode "The Wounded" establishes that Miles O'Brien served with a
Captain Ben Maxwell previous to his time on the Enterprise--time that
would have overlapped with the Potemkin-transporter accident that
resulted in the dual Rikers from "Second Chances"...
--Headbanger
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Claudia Rebaza (LIS)
> Tom says to O'Brien "You know", or somthing to that effect...
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> O'Brien was in on the theft of the Defiant!!!!!!
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> breach?
I'm glad someone else wondered about this. They really shouldn't have
left this hanging.
Allen Newman
>the type to be insulted and just walk out confused. But, then again, he
>controls his feelings well enough not to join the Maquis. Which leaves the
>writers as stupid for putting in a scene that was uneeded and just caused
>confusion.
Oh, I think the scene was needed; if it weren't there we'd be complaining about
Riker and O'Brien never having a TNG reunion during the episode. Riker and
O'Brien had to meet, and since there was no way THIS Riker could carry on a
conversation with him without being exposed, the only thing that could happen
when they met was for Riker to tell him to take a hike.
As for O'Brien taking the insult and just walking out, I don't think we've
ever seen him mouth off to anyone as high-ranking as a commander. He's too
professional for that.
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Timothy Bruening
: How's this: O'Brien was the Transporter Chief who was "responsible"
: for the creation of the 2nd Riker. However, Riker2 (He uses his
: middle name, Thomas, I believe) was busted to Lieutenant since you
: couldn't have two Commander Rikers. Riker2 probably blames O'Brien
: for his troubles.
Actually, Riker2 never got promoted to Commander because he was stranded
on a planet for 8 years. The transporter accident had created him on
that planet.
: (Pardon me if I've made any mistakes.)
: -Choi
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Jeffrey William McKeough
> It's NOT that hard, people!
On the contrary, it seems to be the most difficult, incomprehensible
twist ever introduced in the 30-year history of Star Trek. It's
obvious that attempts to avoid insulting the intelligence of the
average fan are unnecessary, since the average fan doesn't seem to
have any.
-Jeff, just waiting for the torrent of articles the next time Dax
transports.
P.S. I've heard that Paramount is coming out with a new show with a
girl capten! Any idea what time the CNN affiliate in Kuala Lumpur will
be airing the pilot?
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: While sharing with the group, Shaun Kerry Navis contributed:
I've given this Riker/O'brien thing a considerable amount of thought. It
appears to me that this is one of the many holes in the Star Trek
canon--holes which are about as common as those in Swiss Cheese. I do enjoy
everyone's attempts to reconcile the loose ends, so I thought I would share
my prime directive of Canon klinkers: "When in doubt-----Q dunnit it!"
Shaun Kerry Navis
: the type to be insulted and just walk out confused. But, then again, he
: controls his feelings well enough not to join the Maquis. Which leaves the
: writers as stupid for putting in a scene that was uneeded and just caused
: confusion.
That's true that on this particular posting you have yet to hear a good explanation. But it's not that hard. O'Brien was already on DS9 when the
events in "Second Chances" took place. Therefore, TOM never met O'Brien. Tom
appeared to have studied up on the station and crew, but didn't have enough
(or ANY ) intimate knowledge of O'Brien to get trapped in a conversation about
"old times" they never really shared.
Remember when Dax talks about Will's last visit to DS9 and Tom looks
a little confused? Same reason! He could BS Sisko about clearing out Quark
since Sisko doesn't socialize with Quark anyway. In fact, Tom may have been
uncomfortable by the fact that Dax's story totally refutes what Tom told
Sisko.
Obviously, O'Brien was confused since he figured he and "Will" were
always friends. True, Miles doesn't take a lot of shit, but he wouldn't start
a fight with a fellow officer, not to mention a superior, not to mention one
whom he's considered a friend for over seven years. It's NOT that hard,
people!
Shaun
Jeffrey William McKeough
>I've given this Riker/O'brien thing a considerable amount of thought. It
>appears to me that this is one of the many holes in the Star Trek
>canon--holes which are about as common as those in Swiss Cheese. I do enjoy
>everyone's attempts to reconcile the loose ends, so I thought I would share
>my prime directive of Canon klinkers: "When in doubt-----Q dunnit it!"
I'm not even going to touch this one.
tomeva...@gmail.com
> Choi T. Kwok (ch...@interport.net) wrote:
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> : How's this: O'Brien was the Transporter Chief who was "responsible"
> : for the creation of the 2nd Riker. However, Riker2 (He uses his
> : middle name, Thomas, I believe) was busted to Lieutenant since you
> : couldn't have two Commander Rikers. Riker2 probably blames O'Brien
> : for his troubles.
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> : (Pardon me if I've made any mistakes.)
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> : -Choi
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> I believe this has been said previously...
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> The episode "The Wounded" establishes that Miles O'Brien served with a
> Captain Ben Maxwell previous to his time on the Enterprise--time that
> would have overlapped with the Potemkin-transporter accident that
> resulted in the dual Rikers from "Second Chances"...
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> --Headbanger
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In "Second Chances," the dialogue simply states that the Potemkin's unnamed "transporter-chief," rather than simply the attendant officer, created the emergency transporter-bypass that duplicated Riker, so this could easily have been O'Brien.
Likewise, if Riker wanted to get rid of O'Brien, he could have just said something more convincing than to be a dick, which would have been out-of-character for Riker and O'Brien suspect that something was up.
Rather, it makes far more sense that O'Brien had something to do with the mishap that left Riker marooned on the planet for 8 years.
