VOYAGER: Who's 4th in command?
albert lee
If Janeway dies, Chakotay is next to command Voyager. But
if he dies, Tuvoc most likely would be next. But how
about if all 3 die in one terrible explosion during an away
mission? Who's next?
Ensign Kim or Lt. Paris? Couldn't be neither. Kim barely
has rank and Paris is (or was) a criminal.
In CARETAKER, however, Janeway gives command of the ship to
some officer when she, Chakotay, and Tuvoc beamed down
to the array. This officer has been on some of the most recent
VOY episodes. Do any of you recall. He has blondish hair and
a big jaw. I recognized him from his role as the lead male
Romulan in SKIN OF EVIL when Troi was turned into a Romulan
(great episode). He'd make a great addition to the VOY cast.
Steven W. Effler
lieutenant. Kim is an ensign.
Also the officer you're referring to was named Rollins, and you
recognize him from FACE OF THE ENEMY and not SKIN OF EVIL. He's never
been seen since the pilot, so I doubt he's of any importance.
Damian
albert lee
wasn't he on PRIME FACTORS? I'll just have to check my
tapes. Oops on the title.
-al
albert lee
By the way, isn't Paris also a lieutenant? Acting Lietenant
for this mission only. I think Rollins would be a more
suitable candidate for 4th. Right?
Paul & Michelle
of Worf on TNG and Scotty ahead of whoever was chief of security on TOS?
Michelle
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> about if all 3 die in one terrible explosion during an away
> mission? Who's next?
> Ensign Kim or Lt. Paris? Couldn't be neither. Kim barely
> has rank and Paris is (or was) a criminal.
>
But good question.
Gini
Tom Masters
take command, because of their history. Chakotay and Torres aren't
offically Starfleet officers.
If that theory is right, here's the chain of command:
1)Captain Janeway
2)Lt. Commander (or Lieutenant) Tuvok
3)Lieutenant Paris
4)Ensign Kim
5)The Doctor
6)The remainder of the Starfleet crew according to ranks and service
years
NM
Lloyd R. Parker
: I assume Torres is third in line, behind Chakotay. Wasn't LaForge ahead
: Michelle
But that's not from being Chief Engineer. First, you must be in the
chain of command -- a "command" officer who had had command training.
Then, I presume the order would depend on rank, seniority, and whether
the person was needed more at their normal post.
How about Neelix for 4th in command? I'd love to see a show (or a
parody) when him in the captain's chair!
Michael Higby
>From: albert lee <alb...@wam.umd.edu>
>Subject: VOYAGER: Who's 4th in command?
>Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:34:09 -0400
> If Janeway dies, Chakotay is next to command Voyager. But
> if he dies, Tuvoc most likely would be next. Who's next?
> Ensign Kim or Lt. Paris? Kim barely has rank and Paris is
> (or was) a criminal.
How about the Doctor? That would be really interesting. Kim could build a
holographic projector on the bridge. Or give everyone wristwatch holo
projectors so the doctor could follow them all around!
Anthony Staunton
>From: albert lee <alb...@wam.umd.edu>
>Subject: VOYAGER: Who's 4th in command?
>Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 15:34:09 -0400
> If Janeway dies, Chakotay is next to command Voyager. But
> if he dies, Tuvoc most likely would be next. But how
> about if all 3 die in one terrible explosion during an away
> mission? Who's next?
> Ensign Kim or Lt. Paris? Couldn't be neither. Kim barely
> has rank and Paris is (or was) a criminal.
>
It a good question if you reemeber the true story of the War of 1812 which was
repeated in Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlan. The temporary third
lieutenant, the fourth in line became captain when the thres senion officers
were killed or incapaciated.
Robert Decker
>As the for chain of command, the senior officers look like this:
>
>Captain Janeway Lt JG Paris No Rank Doctor
>Lt Cmdr Chakotay Lt JG Torres No Rank Neelix
>Lt SG Tuvok Ensign Kim No Rank Kes
>The next officer in line is arguably either Paris or Torres. I'd
>give it to Paris; he graduated from the academy, has served as an
>officer previously, and has more time in service (assuming his field
>commission respects his previous service time).
>
You are missing one other Star Fleet Officer: The other candidate
for chief engineer (I forget his name). I think that he is also a
lieutenant. He definately comes before Kim, but I'm not sure where
he falls in relation to Paris and Torres.
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Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
3829dbed>, albert # wam.umd.edu@242:4900/99.0 wrote:
> In CARETAKER, however, Janeway gives command of the ship to
> some officer when she, Chakotay, and Tuvoc beamed down
^k
> to the array. This officer has been on some of the most recent
> VOY episodes.
I think either Paris or B'ellana would come next. Both are Lieutenants
(and so, outrank Kim), and actually, both of them have the potential to be
good commanders.
> Do any of you recall. He has blondish hair and
> a big jaw.
And I think he hasn't got a name...
> I recognized him from his role as the lead male
> Romulan in SKIN OF EVIL when Troi was turned into a Romulan
> (great episode).
Actually, you're referring to "Face of the Enemy", "Skin of Evil" is the
episode in which Tasha is killed. (a not-so-great episode).
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albert lee
That's right: Lt. Carey!
David H. Kime
> > >
> > >Captain Janeway Lt JG Paris No Rank Doctor
> > >Lt Cmdr Chakotay Lt JG Torres No Rank Neelix
> > >Lt SG Tuvok Ensign Kim No Rank Kes
> >
> > >The next officer in line is arguably either Paris or Torres. I'd
> > >give it to Paris; he graduated from the academy, has served as an
> > >officer previously, and has more time in service (assuming his field
> > >commission respects his previous service time).
> > >
> > You are missing one other Star Fleet Officer: The other candidate
> > for chief engineer (I forget his name). I think that he is also a
> > lieutenant. He definately comes before Kim, but I'm not sure where
> > he falls in relation to Paris and Torres.
Actually that O'Brien Look alike engineer wears the rank of a full
lietenant. Now of course, I realize that on Voyager this could mean that
he's anywhere from spaceman 3rd class to fleet admiral, but if his pips are
true, then he would rank above Paris. Has it ever been established that
Torres holds the maquis equivalent of Lt jg or is she a full Lt? (Once
again, on voyager would this mean anything?)
I am hoping that after the doctor finally chooses his name and he gains
more and more control over himself and can move about the ship (I suspect
his evolution over the series will parallel Data's over the life of the
series), that his next step would be to ask the captain to grant him a
field rank and officer's commission, which would probably be lt. jg to
begin (As was Bashir).
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dh...@cornell.edu
Robert Mee
: You are missing one other Star Fleet Officer: The other candidate
: for chief engineer (I forget his name). I think that he is also a
: lieutenant. He definately comes before Kim, but I'm not sure where
: he falls in relation to Paris and Torres.
You're right. Lieutennant Carey (sp?) Is he a junior or
a full lieutennant? He might come before Paris in the
chain of command. Of course if true this'll be intentionally
ignored by the writers.
Laser Lizard
Yes but in a sense Chakotay is 2nd in command. He did serve in Starfleet, and
in Janeway's ship is a Starfleet officer. Torres on the other hand, well you
know her history.
Phil Ransome
>> I recognized him from his role as the lead male
>> Romulan in SKIN OF EVIL when Troi was turned into a Romulan
>> (great episode).
>Actually, you're referring to "Face of the Enemy", "Skin of Evil" is the
>episode in which Tasha is killed. (a not-so-great episode).
the best thing about it was seeing Riker get smothered in pseudo-tar!
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