Series 5 - a prequel?
David B.
Since before the end of 'Deep Space Nine', fandom has been
speculating about the next Star Trek series, dubbed Series V by
many. Over the past year the first rumours began appearing,
suggesting the series would be set on a pre-TOS Enterprise,
and in the past month Paramount officially announced it had
begone pre-production. However, actual details of the next
series' backstory were unavailable. That is, until now, as we
present you what we believe is the full cast list for the next
Star Trek series.
Last week, Paramount sent out a character breakdown for the
next show to talent agents, indicating that casting is set to
begin soon. We've been able to lay our hands on a copy of this
breakdown sheet, thanks to an insider who wishes to remain
anonymous. The sheet contains information on the seven series
regulars, a recurring character and several characters from the
pilot. As a word of caution, while everything indicates that this
is in fact the genuine article, the below info of course hasn't
been officially confirmed by Paramount yet, and so should still
be treated as a rumour.
The breakdown sheet confirms many of the rumours that have
appeared on the internet over the past years. Series V will
indeed be set on a Starship Enterprise, under the command of
human Captain Jackson Archer. The backdrop of the series will
be the 22nd Century, at a time when starship travel was a
relatively new endeavour, humans and Vulcans still had much to
learn about each other, and the universe really was still filled
with strange new worlds, new life and new civilisations.
Read on to find out who will be facing the final frontier in the
fifth installment of the Star Trek franchise!
Captain Jackson Archer: Early 40s. Physical. Bold
personality. Intensely curious. Born and raised an explorer.
Unlike the Starfleet captains in centuries to come, he
exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement, as well as a
little trepidation about the strange things he will
encounter. He holds a grudge against the Vulcans, who he
blames for impeding humanity's progress. But his science
officer is Vulcan, and he's struggling to reconsider those
preconceptions. Although he has a strong sense of duty,
he's a bit of a renegade - he's not afraid to question
orders or even disobey them if he feels in his gut that he's
right... .
Sub-Commander T'Pau: Late 20s, early 30s. Vulcan
female. Austere yet sensual. She's the Science Officer
assigned to oversee humanity's progress on board
Enterprise. Although she's cautious and guarded around
humans, whom she considers primitive and irrational, she's
developed a grudging respect for Captain Archer. She'll
become one of his most loyal and trusted crew members. .
Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer.
Early 30s. A Southerner who enjoys using his "country"
persona to disarm people. He has an offbeat, often
sarcastic sense of humor. Spike was hand-picked by
Captain Archer, who is something of a mentor to him.
Although Spike is a brilliant Engineer and an outstanding
officer, he has very little first-hand experience with alien
cultures, and he's often a "fish out of water" when dealing
with new civilizations. .
Doctor Phlox: Exotic alien. Medical officer. Appears to be
in his 40s, but we're not certain of his real age. Phlox
speaks with a slight alien accent and has an eccentric
sense of humor that no one quite understands. He thinks
that humanity is fascinating. The Doctor has filled Sickbay
with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments, alien plants
and spores, and stasis chambers with small, living
creatures. He practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine"
the likes of which we've never seen. This makes the most
routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure. .
Lieutenant Joe Mayweather: Helmsman. African
American. Mid to late 20s. A unique product of 22nd
Century life, Mayweather was raised on cargo ships. As a
result Joe is more "interstellar" than even the Captain.
He's travelled to dozens of planets and met many different
alien species. Mayweather has an 'instinct' for
space-travel that few humans possess. Joe's closest
friend is Spike. Similar in age and spirit these two will
spend their off-duty hours finding new ways to enjoy life
in space.
Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed: Armory Officer. British.
Late 20s - early 30s. In the new age of humanity's
enlightenment, Reed is a bit of a throwback. He's a 22rd
Century "soldier", all spit and polish and by-the-book.
Reed is filled with contradictions. Despite his
near-obsession with munitions, he's soft-spoken, shy and
awkward around women. When testing a new weapon,
he's liable to put on a pair of space-age earplugs because
he doesn't like loud noises.
Ensign Hoshi Sato: Comm Officer. Japanese. Mid to late
20s. Striking and intelligent, Hoshi has a feisty spirit that
often tests the patience of the crew. She's in charge of
communications on Enterprise, but she also serves as
ship's Translator. An expert in exo-linguistics, she learned
to manipulate her vocal chords to emit a range of alien
sounds no human has ever produced. She has a natural
affinity for picking up languages. Hoshi doesn't like the
idea of being trapped in a "tin can" hurtling at impossible
speeds. Every time the ship jumps to warp she grips her
console and closes her eyes. She's a "white knuckle"
space farer.
Silik: Late 30s to early 40s. Alien. Physically agile. One of
the leaders of the Suliban, a deadly species obsessed with
genetic enhancement. Our villain. [Note: Silik is described
as a recurring character.]
Admiral Forrest: Human male. 50s to 60s. A career
military man who's the highest ranking officer in Starfleet.
He's fond of Captain Archer and has personally selected
him to command Enterprise. [Note: Forrest and all further
characters are non-recurring, and cast for the pilot
episode only.]
Admiral Leonard: Human male. 40s - 50s. A high-ranking
officer in Starfleet who serves directly under Admiral
Forrest.
Commander Williams: Human male. 50s. A somewhat
temperamental Starfleet officer who serves as attaché to
Admiral Forrest.
Ambassador Soval: Vulcan male. Late 60s. A wise and
arrogant diplomat who has very little patience with
Captain Archer.
Tos: Vulcan male. 50s. Ambassador Soval's assistant.
Shares Soval's disdain for human culture.
Jon Devena
I doubt this rumour is true, however I find the cast too Americian
centric, expect foe the aliens, a reflection on the more xenophobic
times we live in. Personally I would change the cast, here is my
recommation. This relationship with the Vulcans and humans being
described sounds a lot like the Human/Taelon relationship.
The cast changes I propose are from my cast for a series bible for Trek
series I am intenting to write called Star Trek: Federation, set in
2160's.
"David B." wrote:
> http://www.trektoday.com/news/040301_01.shtml
>
>
> Captain Jackson Archer: Early 40s. Physical. Bold
> personality. Intensely curious. Born and raised an explorer.
> Unlike the Starfleet captains in centuries to come, he
> exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement, as well as a
> little trepidation about the strange things he will
> encounter. He holds a grudge against the Vulcans, who he
> blames for impeding humanity's progress. But his science
> officer is Vulcan, and he's struggling to reconsider those
> preconceptions. Although he has a strong sense of duty,
> he's a bit of a renegade - he's not afraid to question
> orders or even disobey them if he feels in his gut that he's
> right... .
Captain Robert Martino, (Age: 45, Born: Venice, Italy, Earth) is a
prototypical hero, ala James T Kirk and Mackenize Calhoun, who is also
rather high minded and enlightened for his era. He believes in He is
very down to earth and quite sociable with his crew
> Sub-Commander T'Pau: Late 20s, early 30s. Vulcan
> female. Austere yet sensual. She's the Science Officer
> assigned to oversee humanity's progress on board
> Enterprise. Although she's cautious and guarded around
> humans, whom she considers primitive and irrational, she's
> developed a grudging respect for Captain Archer. She'll
> become one of his most loyal and trusted crew members.
I have misgivings about Vulcans personally, I would Perfer a Andorian or
Boilan female first officer, she will
be the daugther of ambassor to Earth from Boilans or Andorians.
Andorians and Boilans are pretty much a whole new frontier of writing.
>
>
> Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer.
> Early 30s. A Southerner who enjoys using his "country"
> persona to disarm people. He has an offbeat, often
> sarcastic sense of humor. Spike was hand-picked by
> Captain Archer, who is something of a mentor to him.
> Although Spike is a brilliant Engineer and an outstanding
> officer, he has very little first-hand experience with alien
> cultures, and he's often a "fish out of water" when dealing
> with new civilizations. .
Commander Sohan Chowdhury, Northern Indian, same age and rough
characther as Characther above.
> Doctor Phlox: Exotic alien. Medical officer. Appears to be
> in his 40s, but we're not certain of his real age. Phlox
> speaks with a slight alien accent and has an eccentric
> sense of humor that no one quite understands. He thinks
> that humanity is fascinating. The Doctor has filled Sickbay
> with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments, alien plants
> and spores, and stasis chambers with small, living
> creatures. He practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine"
> the likes of which we've never seen. This makes the most
> routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure. .
Doctor Louise Chang, Chinese, I would like Rosalind Chao (Keiko O'Brien)
to play the role. Happens to be Captain Martino's Wife.
> Lieutenant Joe Mayweather: Helmsman. African
> American. Mid to late 20s. A unique product of 22nd
> Century life, Mayweather was raised on cargo ships. As a
> result Joe is more "interstellar" than even the Captain.
> He's travelled to dozens of planets and met many different
> alien species. Mayweather has an 'instinct' for
> space-travel that few humans possess. Joe's closest
> friend is Spike. Similar in age and spirit these two will
> spend their off-duty hours finding new ways to enjoy life
> in space.
Name change for this characther Lietudeant Michael Bamgbala,
>
> Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed: Armory Officer. British.
> Late 20s - early 30s. In the new age of humanity's
> enlightenment, Reed is a bit of a throwback. He's a 22rd
> Century "soldier", all spit and polish and by-the-book.
> Reed is filled with contradictions. Despite his
> near-obsession with munitions, he's soft-spoken, shy and
> awkward around women. When testing a new weapon,
> he's liable to put on a pair of space-age earplugs because
> he doesn't like loud noises.
I would make him into a Americian characther, Thomas Wagner.
>
>
> Ensign Hoshi Sato: Comm Officer. Japanese. Mid to late
> 20s. Striking and intelligent, Hoshi has a feisty spirit that
> often tests the patience of the crew. She's in charge of
> communications on Enterprise, but she also serves as
> ship's Translator. An expert in exo-linguistics, she learned
> to manipulate her vocal chords to emit a range of alien
> sounds no human has ever produced. She has a natural
> affinity for picking up languages. Hoshi doesn't like the
> idea of being trapped in a "tin can" hurtling at impossible
> speeds. Every time the ship jumps to warp she grips her
> console and closes her eyes. She's a "white knuckle"
> space farer.
I am ok with ths characther.
--
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Reality is the only worthwhile drug
Stephen Voss
> I doubt this rumour is true, however I find the cast too Americian
> centric, expect foe the aliens, a reflection on the more xenophobic
> times we live in. Personally I would change the cast, here is my
> recommation. This relationship with the Vulcans and humans being
> described sounds a lot like the Human/Taelon relationship.
No not all, Its just that the Vulcans believe they are superior to humans.
Its not that that they really are, but they believe they are.
Sort of like British believe they are smarter and more cultured than the
americans.
Shes not a first officer, shes a science officers, and from the description
shes not in starfleet (note the "sub commander" designation, which reflects
Vulcan military not starfleet.
> > Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer.
> > Early 30s. A Southerner who enjoys using his "country"
> > persona to disarm people. He has an offbeat, often
> > sarcastic sense of humor. Spike was hand-picked by
> > Captain Archer, who is something of a mentor to him.
> > Although Spike is a brilliant Engineer and an outstanding
> > officer, he has very little first-hand experience with alien
> > cultures, and he's often a "fish out of water" when dealing
> > with new civilizations. .
>
> Commander Sohan Chowdhury, Northern Indian, same age and rough
> characther as Characther above.
Theres no reason to make him indian any more than to make him a southerner.
The advantage of the southerner is that it sets aside the more politically
correct
aspects of TNG. A character should not be ethnic just to be ethnic. Harry
Kim
is a bad example of this, Harry Kim could have just as easily been Harry
Brown
and you would never have noticed the difference.
A black character should not simply be a white character cast with a black
actor.
Benjamin Sisko is a good example of ethnicity lending flavor to their
character
without the PCness of TNG or Voyager. You havent seen an interesting
southerner
in Star Trek since Leonard McCoy.
> > Doctor Phlox: Exotic alien. Medical officer. Appears to be
> > in his 40s, but we're not certain of his real age. Phlox
> > speaks with a slight alien accent and has an eccentric
> > sense of humor that no one quite understands. He thinks
> > that humanity is fascinating. The Doctor has filled Sickbay
> > with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments, alien plants
> > and spores, and stasis chambers with small, living
> > creatures. He practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine"
> > the likes of which we've never seen. This makes the most
> > routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure. .
>
> Doctor Louise Chang, Chinese, I would like Rosalind Chao (Keiko O'Brien)
> to play the role. Happens to be Captain Martino's Wife.
Again You should avoid "diversity" casting. Although the idea of
the doctor being the captains wife is interesting but being the ex-wife is
MORE
interesting. Id get Suzie Plaakson for the role.
> > Lieutenant Joe Mayweather: Helmsman. African
> > American. Mid to late 20s. A unique product of 22nd
> > Century life, Mayweather was raised on cargo ships. As a
> > result Joe is more "interstellar" than even the Captain.
> > He's travelled to dozens of planets and met many different
> > alien species. Mayweather has an 'instinct' for
> > space-travel that few humans possess. Joe's closest
> > friend is Spike. Similar in age and spirit these two will
> > spend their off-duty hours finding new ways to enjoy life
> > in space.
>
> Name change for this characther Lietudeant Michael Bamgbala,
Why???? unless you were going to cast an english speaking African
in the role.
> > Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed: Armory Officer. British.
> > Late 20s - early 30s. In the new age of humanity's
> > enlightenment, Reed is a bit of a throwback. He's a 22rd
> > Century "soldier", all spit and polish and by-the-book.
> > Reed is filled with contradictions. Despite his
> > near-obsession with munitions, he's soft-spoken, shy and
> > awkward around women. When testing a new weapon,
> > he's liable to put on a pair of space-age earplugs because
> > he doesn't like loud noises.
>
> I would make him into a Americian characther, Thomas Wagner.
Oh yeah make the throwback an american...real nice. ;-)
From a serious perspective id make the Armory officer older
and a veteran of the Romulan wars a marine-type.
Dont make him an officer, make him an Armory Chief
Jon Devena
series proposal. I think personally this is not true, Braga and Berman would
never in their right minds do such a thing, Although I like to see a redux of
Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship with changes.
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Kent Campbell
"David B." <both...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.trektoday.com/news/040301_01.shtml
>
>
> Read on to find out who will be facing the final frontier in the
> fifth installment of the Star Trek franchise!
>
>
>
> Captain Jackson Archer
> Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer.
This sounds like a joke. These characters are too obviously a
re-tread of the TOS cast, with only a few tweaks. Spock is a
woman, McCoy becomes an alien, Sulu and Uhura swap
ethnicities, and Chekov's Russian accent switches to a British
one. Apparently even the Science Officer is again the de-facto
1st Officer (since she is listed directly after the Captain), and
the Chief Engineer has a nickname.
Although I DO like the idea of seeing T'Pau as a young woman.
I think the biggest reason, however, why this is probably not
really the cast of the next series is because there's no "babe"
in the cast. A Vulcan can't be that much of a sex symbol
(although she IS described as "sensual"), and an Asian
woman, no matter how babelicious, won't appeal across the
board to the desired demographic of white men 18-49.
And by the Gods, could we get away from the 5 men/2 women
mix? Excluding non-officers like Guinan, Quark, Jake, Neelix,
and Kes, we have:
TNG: Picard, Riker, Data, LaForge, Worf // Crusher, Troi
DS9: Sisko, Worf, Odo, O'Brien, Bashir // Kira, Dax
VOY: Chakotay, Tuvok, Paris, Kim, Doctor // Janeway, Torres
Adding Seven as the de-facto Science Officer helped alleviate
this trend some, but now we're back to the same old same ol'?
-- Kent Campbell
ken...@indy.net
Steven Avery
"David B." <both...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3AA1DFD1...@hotmail.com...
> http://www.trektoday.com/news/040301_01.shtml
>
> Last week, Paramount sent out a character breakdown for the
> next show to talent agents, indicating that casting is set to
> begin soon. We've been able to lay our hands on a copy of this
> breakdown sheet, thanks to an insider who wishes to remain
> anonymous. The sheet contains information on the seven series
> regulars, a recurring character and several characters from the
> pilot. As a word of caution, while everything indicates that this
> is in fact the genuine article, the below info of course hasn't
> been officially confirmed by Paramount yet, and so should still
> be treated as a rumour.
>
> The breakdown sheet confirms many of the rumours that have
> appeared on the internet over the past years. Series V will
> indeed be set on a Starship Enterprise, under the command of
> human Captain Jackson Archer. The backdrop of the series will
> be the 22nd Century, at a time when starship travel was a
> relatively new endeavour, humans and Vulcans still had much to
> learn about each other, and the universe really was still filled
> with strange new worlds, new life and new civilisations.
>
> Read on to find out who will be facing the final frontier in the
> fifth installment of the Star Trek franchise!
>
>
So I decided to analyze the characters and figure out why they sound so
familiar.
>
> Captain Jackson Archer: Early 40s.
> Physical.
> Bold personality.
> Intensely curious.
> Born and raised an explorer.
> exhibits a sense of wonder and excitement, as well as a
> little trepidation about the strange things he will
> encounter.
(some stuff about him being a mavrick willing to diobey orders)
In short... A Kirk Redux
> Sub-Commander T'Pau: Late 20s, early 30s. Vulcan
> female. Austere yet sensual. She's the Science Officer
In short Savak Redux
> Commander Charlie 'Spike' Tucker: Chief Engineer.
> Early 30s. A Southerner who enjoys using his "country"
> persona to disarm people. He has an offbeat, often
> sarcastic sense of humor.
In short... A "bones" redux .. just in the wrong dept
> Doctor Phlox: Exotic alien. Medical officer. Appears to be
> in his 40s, but we're not certain of his real age. Phlox
> speaks with a slight alien accent and has an eccentric
> sense of humor that no one quite understands. He thinks
> that humanity is fascinating. The Doctor has filled Sickbay
> with all sorts of bizarre medical instruments, alien plants
> and spores, and stasis chambers with small, living
> creatures. He practices a brand of "Intergalactic medicine"
> the likes of which we've never seen. This makes the most
> routine visit to Sickbay an unexpected adventure. .
>
Its Neelix..oh man.. do we really need a redux of neelix?
but with medicine instead of food. And a sick bay instead of a kitchen
(this is not looking good so far)
> Lieutenant Joe Mayweather: Helmsman. African
> American. Mid to late 20s. A unique product of 22nd
> Century life, Mayweather was raised on cargo ships. As a
> result Joe is more "interstellar" than even the Captain.
> He's travelled to dozens of planets and met many different
> alien species. Mayweather has an 'instinct' for
> space-travel that few humans possess. Joe's closest
> friend is Spike. Similar in age and spirit these two will
> spend their off-duty hours finding new ways to enjoy life
> in space.
Oh my god... an actual new character.. ::faints:: *thump*
Oh wait, sounds kinda like the "buddy" thing they had going with Tom and
Harry..
They just added in a "nickname" that the slashers will love.
> Lt. Commander Malcolm Reed: Armory Officer. British.
> Late 20s - early 30s. In the new age of humanity's
> enlightenment, Reed is a bit of a throwback. He's a 22rd
> Century "soldier", all spit and polish and by-the-book.
> Reed is filled with contradictions. Despite his
> near-obsession with munitions, he's soft-spoken, shy and
> awkward around women. When testing a new weapon,
> he's liable to put on a pair of space-age earplugs because
> he doesn't like loud noises.
Someone is watching too much Dr Who.. its the Brigader
heheh..
I'm sorry .. the british major general type just has been done into the
ground.
The cultured warrior thing isn't something I'd think they'd go for.
Its sorta an anti-Worf character. ::shrugs::
Has potential.. but they could have made it something more... I guess..
cultural ..
Maybe a japanese officer, one who was raised under Bushido.
not complaining mind you.. but like I said.. the british professional
soldier, with spit and polish and the sgt major.. or Major general (pick
whichever) has just been seen too much in motion pictures and TV.
5 will get ya 10 that they make him some effeminate pantywaist thin boned
doink that I could crack over my left knee like overdry tinderwood. When are
we gonna see a security officer that maybe weigh in at 240 lbs and 6' 4"
Built like a piece of bedrock? Maybe make him froma heavy world (high G)
where in a normal G environment he can toss arround unruly aliens like a cat
tosses around a bird.
"This Klingon givin ya a problem Capt'n?"
Why yes, as a matter of fact he is.
"Here.. let me explain to them how federation diplomacy works for ya"
::crackles knuckles::
Klingon:*eep* *wham wham wham.. punt!
It'd give him a reason to be shy around women too.. afraid he'd hurt them
since he is so much stronger.
> Ensign Hoshi Sato: Comm Officer. Japanese. Mid to late
> 20s. Striking and intelligent, Hoshi has a feisty spirit that
> often tests the patience of the crew. She's in charge of
> communications on Enterprise, but she also serves as
> ship's Translator. An expert in exo-linguistics, she learned
> to manipulate her vocal chords to emit a range of alien
> sounds no human has ever produced. She has a natural
> affinity for picking up languages. Hoshi doesn't like the
> idea of being trapped in a "tin can" hurtling at impossible
> speeds. Every time the ship jumps to warp she grips her
> console and closes her eyes. She's a "white knuckle"
> space farer.
>
Well, at least they gave the comms officer a little more personality than
Uhura.
The idea that a comms officer would have to have a linguistic background to
get by
on a ship full of aliens, out to meet more aliens.. thats a good thing
> Silik: Late 30s to early 40s. Alien. Physically agile. One of
> the leaders of the Suliban, a deadly species obsessed with
> genetic enhancement. Our villain. [Note: Silik is described
> as a recurring character.]
>
Hmmm.. most interesting character I've seen in the list..
but not enough to draw any conclusions about.
> Admiral Forrest: Human male. 50s to 60s. A career
> military man who's the highest ranking officer in Starfleet.
> He's fond of Captain Archer and has personally selected
> him to command Enterprise. [Note: Forrest and all further
> characters are non-recurring, and cast for the pilot
> episode only.]
>
Admiral Nagawa Redux nuf said (thats from the original trek.. smae thing
done with kirk)
> Admiral Leonard: Human male. 40s - 50s. A high-ranking
> officer in Starfleet who serves directly under Admiral
> Forrest.
>
Another Redux.. there was another admiral under nagawa.. and if its a redux
of him.. look for him to be confrontational with the captain character....
always trying to get him in hot water.
> Commander Williams: Human male. 50s. A somewhat
> temperamental Starfleet officer who serves as attaché to
> Admiral Forrest.
>
Not enough there to criticize or praise
> Ambassador Soval: Vulcan male. Late 60s. A wise and
> arrogant diplomat who has very little patience with
> Captain Archer.
>
A redux of Spocks dad..
> Tos: Vulcan male. 50s. Ambassador Soval's assistant.
> Shares Soval's disdain for human culture.
not much thereto praise or criticize with this character
though I like the disdain part..
So.. all in all we have
7 redux character ripped out of the original series and its movies..
3 characters that there is not enough on to really say one way or the other
what they are.
and
3 characters that are fairly new.. and may even be interesting....
::shakes head::
man oh man.
So, this is the "new" and "improved" trek...
well.. at least they are mining the old series for gold...
LOL..
ya know.. its funny.. I seem to remember Braga and Berman saying that noone
on the net had said that brought up the concept that the new show will use.
If this is for real.. guess we know that one of two things is true.
1> that Braga and Berman don't have a freaking clue that the internet
comprises more than the official trek website.. and don't realize that this
concept has been out in the public for almost a year already.
Oh but wait this can't be right.. becuse Berman said real recently something
to the effect of, when asked about if the next trek was a prequal as had
been rumored on the web, "I'm not even going to respond to that. " acting
like "Oh yeah .. right.. liked we'd even consider doing such a pile of junk"
So they were aware of the rumor on the web and chose to evade the question..
denigrating their own concept at the same time.. Wow such enthusiasn for an
idea leaves me speechless.
so ..#2 is probably the right one.
2> That the negotiations for the new trek were so shakey that they couldn't
talk about it till it was in the bag, and that its still not 100% becuse
they still haven't released anything about it officially yet.
( I say this becuse, though they have made noises like "We've done two
revisions of the pilot script and its been well recieved by paramount
executives" they have never come outright and said.. "the concept for series
5 trek is finalized, and has been approved by the executives at paramount,
so the next series is a go". Not hearing that its a "go" says more than all
the positive spin they surround it with. )
Personally .. if it is built off this list , and this list isn't just some
clever ploy on the part of Paramount ot hide things with a smoke
screen..(which if it is.. good job!) , I hope that the strikes with the SAG
and WGA give paramount time to rethink its strategy and kill it before it
comes to be.
Trek is supposed to move forward.. not go back...
This would make a great trek mini series..(like a 24 or 36 parter) but not
a whole 7 year long show.
but that's just my opinion.
-Steve Avery
Steven Avery
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If this is true.. you are getting more redux than you are maybe looking
for..
Kent Campbell
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>
> Theres no reason to make him indian any more than to make him a
> southerner. The advantage of the southerner is that it sets aside the
more
< politically correct aspects of TNG. A character should not be ethnic just
to
> be ethnic. Harry Kim is a bad example of this, Harry Kim could have just
> as easily been Harry Brown and you would never have noticed the
> difference.
>
>
> A black character should not simply be a white character cast with a black
> actor. Benjamin Sisko is a good example of ethnicity lending flavor to
their
> character without the PCness of TNG or Voyager. You havent seen an
> interesting southerner in Star Trek since Leonard McCoy.
>
>
> Again You should avoid "diversity" casting. Although the idea of
> the doctor being the captains wife is interesting but being the ex-wife is
"A character should not be ethnic just to be ethnic"? Why not? People
are not somehow white and male by default. You don't need a reason to
make a fictional character something other than white or male, especially
in the Trek Universe, where the (human) characters represent the entire
planet's population. Less than 15% of the world's population is white and
male, yet three of the five new human characters are white men. That's
just ridiculous. Obviously given that the show is made in America, you
have a much larger pool of white actors to choose from, which is why
most of the aliens are played by whites.
The best reason why you should have casting calls reflecting a wide
range of races is to get a more varied mix of actors with varying
experiences, which Trek has actually done a great job at doing.
Back when TNG was in the casting process, Data was intended to be
any of a number of ethnicities, while Yar was originally conceived as
Hispanic. Both ended up being filled with white actors because they
believed Spiner and Crosby were best for the roles (obviously they
were right about Spiner's talent and not so right about Crosby's).
With DS9, Siddig was brought in for the role of Sisko, after someone
saw him in a British movie with a full beard. Once they realized how
young he looked without the beard, they re-wrote the role of Dr. Julian
Aramos to suit him instead.
As for VOY, after failing to find a suitable middle-aged white actor to
play Tuvok, as was originally conceived, they brought in Russ, who had
been the runner-up for the role of LaForge years earlier, had guest-
starred in several episodes, and had just finished a minor role in
"Generations". They liked his take on Tuvok and cast him. Contrary
to popular belief, he wasn't the first black actor to play a Vulcan, since
a black female Vulcan was shown in ST5.
This is the Trek philosophy at it's best. Call in actors of all different
races, including white, and when you find an actor that's good, fit them
in where you can, regardless of what race you originally intended that
character to have.
-- Kent Campbell
ken...@indy.net
Stephen Voss
> "A character should not be ethnic just to be ethnic"? Why not? People
> are not somehow white and male by default.
I never said they were.
In fact Thats the exact opposite of what I said. What Im saying is
that if you diversity it should be not just "appearance" diversity of skin
color, but
diversity of experience of culture and lifestyle. Harry Kim
could have just as easily been Harry Brown and you would not
have noticed the difference.
> You don't need a reason to
> make a fictional character something other than white or male, especially
> in the Trek Universe, where the (human) characters represent the entire
> planet's population. Less than 15% of the world's population is white and
> male, yet three of the five new human characters are white men.
At least they have different cultural backgrounds, and are not just
"diversity window dressing".
> That's just ridiculous. Obviously given that the show is made in America, you
>
> have a much larger pool of white actors to choose from, which is why
> most of the aliens are played by whites.
Once someone is in makeup and is acting you dont race of the person.
> The best reason why you should have casting calls reflecting a wide
> range of races is to get a more varied mix of actors with varying
> experiences, which Trek has actually done a great job at doing.
The problem being the human characters in TNG and VOYAGER were/are
vanilla. The actors may be diverse but simply putting diverse actors in vanilla
roles does bring true diversity to Star Trek.
> Back when TNG was in the casting process, Data was intended to be
> any of a number of ethnicities, while Yar was originally conceived as
> Hispanic. Both ended up being filled with white actors because they
> believed Spiner and Crosby were best for the roles (obviously they
> were right about Spiner's talent and not so right about Crosby's).
Spiners acting talent prevented Data from being cheesy...for the most part.
Denise Crosby was probably picked because the original character concept
sounded too lesbian for star trek. If you think Im wrong...you still have not
seen a major gay or lesbian character in a Star trek show(Trill guest
star doesnt count).
30 years ago they could handle interracial kissing , they still cant even
put a gay or lesbian character. Heck even babylon 5 could do some
lesbian subtext with Ivanova loving Talia.
> With DS9, Siddig was brought in for the role of Sisko, after someone
> saw him in a British movie with a full beard. Once they realized how
> young he looked without the beard, they re-wrote the role of Dr. Julian
> Aramos to suit him instead.
At least DS9 both Sisko and Bashir, had cultural roots.
They were diverse not only in appearance but in culture.
> As for VOY, after failing to find a suitable middle-aged white actor to
> play Tuvok, as was originally conceived, they brought in Russ, who had
> been the runner-up for the role of LaForge years earlier, had guest-
> starred in several episodes, and had just finished a minor role in
> "Generations". They liked his take on Tuvok and cast him. Contrary
> to popular belief, he wasn't the first black actor to play a Vulcan, since
> a black female Vulcan was shown in ST5.
No quibbles there
> This is the Trek philosophy at it's best. Call in actors of all different
> races, including white, and when you find an actor that's good, fit them
> in where you can, regardless of what race you originally intended that
> character to have.
The problem is that a black vulcan or alien can be written anyway you
want to and can be filled by anyone. However if your going to write humans , you
have
to actually reflect human cultures.
Michael Hafer
>The problem is that a black vulcan or alien can be written anyway you
>want to and can be filled by anyone. However if your going to write humans ,
>you
>have
>to actually reflect human cultures.
Actually, no. By TNG most of humanity is united under one basic culture. Your
examples of Sisco and Bashir are wrong. How exactly was Ben more black than
say, Geordi? Because he was strong and liked creole food??? Bashir...how did
his character reflect any specific culture, middle eastern, Indian or
otherwise? The reason for diversity in casting in Star Trek is simple: It says
we all have a place in the future, no matter what we look like. Not to mention
it just doesn't make sense w/o such diversity. The Chinese constitute 1/5th of
our global population, yet so far we get one character that is Chinese - Kim.
In a fictional universe where humanity is some kind of united and equal force,
where the entire world stands together in peace and prosperity, and where
gender and racial differences mean nothing, we get a 60% European cast, most of
whom are male. It just strains credibility for any thinking viewer. Hey, I'm a
white guy. I'd still love to see an Asian woman for a captain, or heck, even an
alien as captain. Something different for Christ's sake so we can be shown that
in the future all of humanity matters and is represented. This isn't PC...it's
simply the universe Star Trek is supposedly giving us.
Michael Hafer
KalElFan
"_SERIES V_" at this point, before the series has been officially
announced and with a writer and actor strike looming even
larger than it did a week ago. You also have other apparent
inconsistencies, like the official site (and Berman too I believe)
saying Series V was still in the embryonic stages with a final
go depending on the strike situation. Recently I think Berman
also said Series V hadn't hit the Internet, and yet both the
prequel/birth and even the-ship-named-Enterprise story have
been prominent on the Internet for almost-years and many-
months respectively.
Also, if you look just at the casting call, it's hardly that "radically
different" from previous series, which has I think been a constant
refrain. In fact, again looking just at the casting call, it's almost
a remake of TOS. One could even imagine an elaborate parody-
story designed to evoke TOS, written up by someone (authorized
by Paramount or not) to either float part of the finalized concept,
or throw people off the scent for six months if they think there's
going to be a long strike.
With those caveats and general skepticism aside, let's comment
and predict away anyway... :-)
If you had a gun to your head and were told "You must write a
prequel series, taking place only in a defined time, and only on
a specific starship, with about seven regular crew members,"
you couldn't come up with anything better than this concept.
Star Trek: Enterprise (yes, I think it should have Star Trek in
the title) has instant appeal. This era -- pre-Captain Pike, post
Romulan War -- is apparently fuzzy enough not to trample on
continuity. Some may question how an Enterprise starship
could have existed at that time and not been part of the Star
Trek mythology before now -- let alone an important part of
the mythology, which may dampen the impact among some
fans -- but one presumes it *could* have happened.
Most notably, the casting call's evoking of TOS *could* be a
tribute of sorts to it, if done right. (It could also be a Galaxy
Quest parody, there's no way of knowing just looking at the
list. But it could be excellent if done in the right spirit.) You
even have touches like Admirals Leonard and Forrest, paying
tribute to the late DeForrest Kelley, with the doctor in this
series being alien because no human doctor in a TOS-like
series like this would feel quite right after Kelley's death.
Then you have the young female T'Pau as full-vulcan first
officer, which is brilliant though the name T'Pau will take
some explaining. (Is she *the* T'Pau at a young age, or
related to that T'Pau from Amok Time? This is actually
one of the more prominent names in Trek history -- you
did have that group T'Pau back in the 80s that got named
after that character.)
I also thought the Captain and Engineer and Lieutenant in
this casting call evoked elements of TOS, TNG and even
DSN (the engineer and Lieutenant evoke Bashir and O'Brien's
holodeck-adventure buddy relationship). Finally, the asian
communications officer evokes Uhura, while the black officer
fills out the racial mix as Sulu did in TOS.
So it all looks to have as much potential as it could possibly
have, if you had that gun to your head and those constraints
I mentioned were placed upon you. I don't think that anyone
has insisted on those constraints, though, and I predict that,
to the extent this casting call rings true, it rings only partially
true. This could be the cast for the pilot and even the main
new cast for the series, but it's jumping to conclusions to
think that the series will be limited to this era.
Consider this prediction: this late-22nd-century Enterprise
starship *would* have been the first Enterprise recorded in
the mythology, but instead Captain Pike's was some years
later, perhaps as little as 25 years later. Why? Because
this Series V Enterprise was befallen by what appeared to
be tragedy, and a Section 31-like secrecy has shrouded it
since. In Series V, this might-have-been "first" Enterprise
becomes embroiled in a First-Contact-like (the movie) adventure.
In effect, it becomes the "timeship" or reference point for us,
the viewers, to follow on a voyage through the past, present,
and future of the Star Trek Universe.
The 29th-century time traveling villain was speculated on
a year-and-a-half or more ago now, but I don't expect that
to be the catalyst for the apparent tragedy. More likely
it could be something Borg, a la First Contact. Imagine
this era becoming some sort of focal point for another
Borg attempt to disrupt the Birth or Development of the
Federation. You might have Seven & some Co. from the
TNG/DSN/VOY time (or later, and even including a few
cast members we've seen before) taking on the Picard
role and trying to counter the Borg attempt. They succeed
in countering it, but the cost is that this Enterprise that
History Forgot becomes temporally unstable -- effectively
it's sent hurtling on a time-traveling journey at discrete
intervals.
Perhaps it spends the pilot or some discrete interval in its
original era, then hurtles back a bit in time, then forward to
other eras, again in discrete intervals over the course of
its seven seasons. Perhaps the Borg or other threat
recurs at various points, but this would not be necessary.
Seven or Harry Kim or you-name-the-Trek-character could
easily be sent along for this new-series ride though, and
we could have those 29th-century time folk guesting as
well, and Son of Q or anything you want -- the possibilities
are virtually limitless.
NOW....
A series like *THAT* called STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE -- one
which promises not to be stuck in one era for seven
years, a fatal flaw despite the best-you-can-do nature
of this casting call rumor -- would have HUGE potential.
It could be the best and most popular Star Trek series
ever, by a very good margin. Damn, it strikes me as
something that'd be great fun to write as well. Over the
course of the seven seasons, you'd have the whole friggin'
Star Trek canvas to work with and fill in.
Of course they could switch gears and evolve this series
into the concept I've described any time after the pilot.
In other words, they could wait and satisfy themselves
that by the middle of season one, the stuck-in-the-era
concept will be tired and losing fans in droves, and in
could pop the Borg threat or whatever adding in the time
travel element. But I think that would squander the
opportunity to sell this series as a grand tour of the
Star Trek Universe -- past, present, and future -- with
your ultimate guide: ENTERPRISE, and a crew that
evokes the best of everything Star Trek we've seen.
So I think this "casting call" Series V is spectacularly good,
PROVIDED it's only PART of what we're going to see here,
and what they're going to be selling. If this is all of it,
then it's the best stuck-in-one-era prequel they could do,
but nowhere near good enough to sustain. I would go so
far as to say it would be a tragedy of sorts, because they
would have come *SO* close to the ideal Series V, one
light years ahead of the stuck-in-one-era concept. This
is so obvious to me, and the time-travel element so often-
speculated about, that I just don't see how Paramount,
Braga & Co. could NOT have conceived it the way I've
predicted here (or something very close to it).
So wait for the other shoe to drop at some point, hopefully
as part of the official announcement. With that other shoe,
this would indeed be a radically different Trek, while still
embracing everything that's come before. I think it'd be
the best ever.
Stephen Churchill
GMT, kale...@aol.com (KalElFan) was overheard to say:
<snip excellent deconstruction of the alleged "casting call" sheet>
Actually, what you have there sounds less like "Star Trek: ENTERPRISE"
and more like "Star Trek: Quantum Leap."
<more snipping>
>So I think this "casting call" Series V is spectacularly good,
>PROVIDED it's only PART of what we're going to see here,
>and what they're going to be selling. If this is all of it,
>then it's the best stuck-in-one-era prequel they could do,
>but nowhere near good enough to sustain. I would go so
>far as to say it would be a tragedy of sorts, because they
>would have come *SO* close to the ideal Series V, one
>light years ahead of the stuck-in-one-era concept. This
>is so obvious to me, and the time-travel element so often-
>speculated about, that I just don't see how Paramount,
>Braga & Co. could NOT have conceived it the way I've
>predicted here (or something very close to it).
>
>So wait for the other shoe to drop at some point, hopefully
>as part of the official announcement. With that other shoe,
>this would indeed be a radically different Trek, while still
>embracing everything that's come before. I think it'd be
>the best ever.
I hope, with a level bordering almost on desperation, that it will be
the best ever. Because unless it is, the "Death od Trek" talk will
begin again (has it ever really stopped?). And this time, it will have
merit.
Timo S Saloniemi
>> Great Series Idea.
>> I doubt this rumour is true, however I find the cast too Americian
>> centric, expect foe the aliens, a reflection on the more xenophobic
>> times we live in. Personally I would change the cast, here is my
>> recommation. This relationship with the Vulcans and humans being
>> described sounds a lot like the Human/Taelon relationship.
>
>No not all, Its just that the Vulcans believe they are superior to humans.
>Its not that that they really are, but they believe they are.
>Sort of like British believe they are smarter and more cultured than the
>americans.
Well, the Vulcans ARE physically stronger and capable of greater
control of their emotions and greater clarity of thought on the
average, and they can do touch telepathy and neck pinches and weird
self-healing things. Plus they have longer lifespans, more acute
hearing and an inner eyelid. It seems TPTB forgot to equip them with
inferior abilities to compensate...
Timo Saloniemi
la haine
<3AA1EBDC...@gate.net>:
>No not all, Its just that the Vulcans believe they are superior to humans.
>Its not that that they really are, but they believe they are.
>Sort of like British believe they are smarter and more cultured than the
>americans.
Which, of course, we are. Tea, anyone?
--
Now they show you how detergents take out blood stains, a pretty violent
image there. I think if you've got a T-shirt with a bloodstain all over it,
maybe laundry isn't your biggest problem. Maybe you should get rid of the
body before you do the wash.
- Jerry Seinfeld
Stephen Voss
> could have existed at that time and not been part of the Star
> Trek mythology before now -- let alone an important part of
> the mythology, which may dampen the impact among some
> fans -- but one presumes it *could* have happened.
I think you will probably see the ship name change before
it hits the tv screen...for that reason if no other.
I would suggest alternative names that would evoke
the right spirit
USS Trailblazer
USS Pathfinder
> into the concept I've described any time after the pilot.
> In other words, they could wait and satisfy themselves
> that by the middle of season one, the stuck-in-the-era
> concept will be tired and losing fans in droves, and in
> could pop the Borg threat or whatever adding in the time
> travel element.
> I would go so
> far as to say it would be a tragedy of sorts, because they
> would have come *SO* close to the ideal Series V, one
> light years ahead of the stuck-in-one-era concept.
Kalelfan,
as much as I respect your opinion,
timetravel improperly used is gimmicky crap.
Its very hard to do timetravel well...the best example I can think
of is quantum leap but that succeeded not because of technogimmicks
but because the characters that the hero interacted with.
Gimmicks are a piss poor substitute for good writing,interesting
characters and compelling stories.
No amount of time travel Potpourri will cover the stench of bad writing
and cardboard characterts.
faste...@my-deja.com
wrote:
>>
>>The problem is that a black vulcan or alien can be written anyway you
>>want to and can be filled by anyone. However if your going to write humans ,
>>you
>>have
>>to actually reflect human cultures.
>
>
>Actually, no. By TNG most of humanity is united under one basic culture. Your
>examples of Sisco and Bashir are wrong. How exactly was Ben more black than
>say, Geordi? Because he was strong and liked creole food??? Bashir...how did
>his character reflect any specific culture, middle eastern, Indian or
>otherwise? The reason for diversity in casting in Star Trek is simple: It says
>we all have a place in the future, no matter what we look like. Not to mention
>it just doesn't make sense w/o such diversity. The Chinese constitute 1/5th of
>our global population, yet so far we get one character that is Chinese - Kim.
Actually, given his last name is Kim, he is far more likely to be
Korean than Chinese.
>
>
>Michael Hafer
>
Chris Norris
Why thank you old man... It's very nice to find some civilised people among
all these Americans.
:-)
KalElFan
<vo...@gate.net> writes:
[re no 22nd-century Enterprise in the mythology]
>I would suggest alternative names that would evoke
>the right spirit...
The thing is, the series title STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE would have a
huge built-in market. From a marketing point of view, you would just
love to have that title, and creatively I think you can have it. You
just have to "explain" why this late 22nd-century Enterprise was
never mentioned in the mythology's history books. A temporal
event or disaster would explain that, and at the same time make
this Enterprise temporally mobile (which is what I think you also
very much want, creatively, if you're TPTB here).
>Kalelfan,
>
>as much as I respect your opinion,
>timetravel improperly used is gimmicky crap.
>Its very hard to do timetravel well...the best example I can think
>of is quantum leap but that succeeded not because of techno-
>gimmicks but because the characters that the hero interacted
>with.
Gimmicks or gimmicky crap are in the eye of the beholder.
If they use this "would-have-been-first" Enterprise in the way
I've predicted, it'll be a great premise creatively and marketing-
wise, not a gimmick. Your mileage may vary, but mine varies
on Quantum Leap. I only saw a few episodes of that show,
and I just didn't find the fantasy premise very good. Every
single episode, this guy appears to us one way, but pops up
and inhabits the bodies and consciousness of people who
still appear the same to everyone else around them. *THAT*
striked me as far more dumb and gimmicky than 95% of the
time travel stuff Star Trek has done.
The Quantum Leap premise didn't have much coherence to it
in terms of the series either. I wasn't really interested in those
random pop-ups week after week, but the series' neverending
quest aspect -- where you figure it'll take years for him to get
back home -- was even worse, much worse than Voyager's premise
IMO. Quantum Leap was more like the Fugitive, or the short-
lived Nowhere Man, or Time Trax, where this is an INDIVIDUAL
quest. People get very impatient with that nowadays. With
Sliders it was at least a group of 4, and even there it got tired.
Voyager -- a whole ship and crew -- was I think more tolerable
as a premise than the neverending quest of an individual.
>Gimmicks are a piss poor substitute for good writing,interesting
>characters and compelling stories.
>
>No amount of time travel Potpourri will cover the stench of bad
>writing and cardboard characterts.
But that's a straw man. No one is advocating the stench of bad
writing and cardboard characters. Everyone agrees gimmicks
shouldn't be a SUBSTITUTE for good writing, interesting characters
and compelling stories. I'm all for many good things, and a time
travel element as part of the Series V premise can be a very
good thing, from both a creative and marketing point of view.
We agree it comes with risk, but Star Trek has done time
travel extremely well in the past. Star Trek IV and the First
Contact movie are arguably the best, along with the Khan
movie (and Khan was twice a time traveler in a sense).
City on the Edge of Forever is still the best Trek episode ever
IMO, and at or near the top of many other lists. Other TOS
episodes -- among the most memorable in fact, e.g., the Gary
Seven episode with Teri Garr, and the fighter pilot episode --
had good time travel elements. DSN did very good time travel
episodes, as has Voyager (Timeless is among its best). TNG
turned the corner and became a great series with Yesterday's
Enterprise, once again time travel. Star Trek and time travel
have mixed very, very well on many occasions, in every one of
the TV series and in the movie series. I think Trek and time
travel CAN mix well in a mainly-prequel Series V.
The key to success would be the intent or spirit behind it. It
would have to be sold as embracing (or celebrating, or paying
homage to) everything Trek, not seeking to change or write
over the 35 years that have been built up. That's why a whole
series about a 29th century villain trying to change the Trek
timeline wouldn't work. It has no credibility as a threat, because
if it's written that the villain succeeds, then you destroy the
real-world Star Trek franchise. It's good for a two-hour movie
premise, but not a seven-year series premise. There may be
variations of it that would be more viable, but again the intent
or spirit is key. As long as they avoid the impression that
this is a major reboot or writing over, they avoid the biggest
pitfall.
KalElFan
Stephen Churchill <stephen....@bigfoot.com> writes:
><snip excellent deconstruction of the alleged "casting call" sheet>
Thanks!
>Actually, what you have there sounds less like "Star Trek:
>ENTERPRISE" and more like "Star Trek: Quantum Leap."
I hope not, because I was actually never a fan of Quantum Leap
as I mentioned in the other post. I think QL was more fantasy
than science fiction, closer to Touched By An Angel or Highway
to Heaven or series like that. In fact it wasn't even much fantasy-
wise once you got beyond the premise. You'd get these random
human interest stories week after week. More power to the
fans who liked it, and Touched By An Angel and series like
that can have broad appeal. But it just wasn't for me and it's not
a model for Star Trek. I'm not predicting Seven or The Doctor
will pop into people's bodies or consciousness week after week,
as they meander through the Star Trek timeline in Series V.
No matter what the time travel element, someone will compare
it to something else because there have been so many time
travel books, movies, and TV series. There was a series called
Voyager maybe 20 years ago in fact, with that actor who died in
the on-set gun mishap. Looking at the concept I described
or predicted here, you can date it even further back than any
of the "recent" series like QL or that one. The Time Machine
movie from the 60s, for example, had the meandering through
time element long before Quantum Leap adapted it. And HG
Wells much further back than that of course. Time Tunnel is
another memorable 60s series (admittedly cheesy, but it did
have DSN's Vic Fontaine!)
Star Trek has developed its own time travel mythology and
catalog of stories if you will, and if you look at all of that I
think it supports the proposition that Star Trek has had better
time travel than any science fiction has. Series V would build
on that in-franchise legacy more than anything else.
>I hope, with a level bordering almost on desperation, that it will be
>the best ever. Because unless it is, the "Death [of] Trek" talk will
>begin again (has it ever really stopped?). And this time, it will have
>merit.
Mistakes were made, as they say, and I think those weakened the
Trek franchise from the mid-to-late 1990s. The last big mistake
was the DSN finale IMO. Creatively it may have been a great
catharsis for everyone wrapping up that series, but it was not
right for the future health of the franchise. The finale of TNG was
right, and I hope the finale of Voyager will be, and I think that
Series V and Trek X have the potential to continue Trek's comeback.
Steven Horton
"Outer Space: The Last Frontier. These are the trips of the Star Trek
Enterprise..."
-Steve
Stephen Voss
KalElFan wrote:
> In article <3AA35C62...@gate.net>, Stephen Voss
> <vo...@gate.net> writes:
>
> [re no 22nd-century Enterprise in the mythology]
>
> >I would suggest alternative names that would evoke
> >the right spirit...
>
> The thing is, the series title STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE would have a
> huge built-in market. From a marketing point of view, you would just
> love to have that title, and creatively I think you can have it. You
> just have to "explain" why this late 22nd-century Enterprise was
> never mentioned in the mythology's history books. A temporal
> event or disaster would explain that, and at the same time make
> this Enterprise temporally mobile (which is what I think you also
> very much want, creatively, if you're TPTB here).
It wouldnt be the "late 22nd century" it would be the mid 22nd
century, about 2161.
Also you might consider that despite the claims of ST:TMP
(he never said "The NCC 1701 was the first starship enterprise",
he merely said "All these ships were named enterprise"
That there would have to be some ships named "Enterprise"
in US Navy, UN space force, United Earth...and surely during
the Romulan war. The name "Enterprise" is a popular name, it
reflects war history going back to the year 1705 the HMS Enterprise.
The first USS enterprise sailing in 1800.
Another reason why this ship would not be mentioned as
the first starship enterprise is that it was built before
starfleet came into existence. The ship although it had
starfleet members in its crew the ship itself might have been property
of United Earth SpaceFleet(or whatever). So it was not a Federation
ship per se. Maybe the spaceliner that came 25 years later was named
after that Space vessel.
So the ship might not have been considered a "starship" because it
wasnt built originally and specifically for instellar exploration. It
was an Earth warship retrofitted for exploration purposes perhaps
either leased or on loan to the Federation.
Timo S Saloniemi
>KalElFan wrote:
>> The thing is, the series title STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE would have a
>> huge built-in market. From a marketing point of view, you would just
>> love to have that title, and creatively I think you can have it. You
>> just have to "explain" why this late 22nd-century Enterprise was
>> never mentioned in the mythology's history books. A temporal
>> event or disaster would explain that, and at the same time make
>> this Enterprise temporally mobile (which is what I think you also
>> very much want, creatively, if you're TPTB here).
>Also you might consider that despite the claims of ST:TMP
>(he never said "The NCC 1701 was the first starship enterprise",
>he merely said "All these ships were named enterprise"
OTOH, Dulmer or Lucsly in DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations" did explicitly
say that there have been "five starships by that name", and was corrected
by his partner who said there had been six at that point. Counting from
1701 to 1701-E, one is left with no "starships" to precede the 1701.
Other sorts of spacegoing thingamabobs, like "spaceships" or "etherboats"
or "voidships" are still a possibility, though, just as you say. But it
would be somewhat weird to have the main vessel of a Star Trek show not
designated as "starship".
Timo Saloniemi
KalElFan
(Timo S Saloniemi) writes:
>Counting from 1701 to 1701-E, one is left with no "starships"
>to precede the 1701. Other sorts of spacegoing thingamabobs,
>like "spaceships" or "etherboats" or "voidships" are still a
>possibility, though, just as you say. But it would be some-
>what weird to have the main vessel of a Star Trek show not
>designated as "starship".
I think it's better to be able to call it a starship, and I think this
is the kind of continuity evolution, if you will, that can take place
without too much difficulty. "What you thought you knew was
wrong because..." and then they explain how/why this Enterprise
wasn't recorded by the history books as the first. Maybe it was
the 1700 if that number's not taken, and after the temporal event
or disaster they built and commissioned a 1701, once again
named Enterprise.
As far as these casting rumors go, I don't think the denials we've
seen posted are particularly more credible than the list itself.
I will mention another possibility though -- that there will be
different ships and/or casts featured in Series V. There may
well be this pre-TOS era element and Enterprise, plus a 29th-
century element and Enterprise. The current-era Enterprise might
even guest-star to help launch Series V. This is something that
Paramount might negotiate with Stewart & Co. as part of the
Star Trek X deal, because it would help promote both the movie
and the new series. All of which would make the ST: ENTERPRISE
series V title all the more appropriate, and the new series all
the more marketable.
There's huge potential here if the blanks get filled in the way
I hope/think they will.
KalElFan
<vo...@gate.net> writes:
>It wouldnt be the "late 22nd century" it would be the mid 22nd
>century, about 2161.
Well, if you break the century into thirds, it'd be the late part
of it by 2167. :-)
Basically, you've got First Contact taking place in the mid-
21st century, the Romulan War(s) in the mid-22nd century, and
TOS in the mid-to-late-23rd century. Then TNG put us into
the 24th century, where we've been with DSN and Voyager.
I did some surfing on this, and it's apparent that there is
no canon that can be entirely consistent with everything, in
particular the books where a lot of this stuff apparently comes
from. I think for the average fan -- 95%+ of them -- First Contact
and Pike are the main endpoint markers, and that's a gap of
200 years apparently. Many fans may know there was the
Romulan War in between that, but that's about it. I read that
there was a book with Captain April as the first Enterprise
Captain before Pike, but few if anyone will know about that
and it can probably be alluded to as a few-years event so it
won't be an obstacle.
Your 2161 puts it almost at the end of the Romulan War doesn't
it? Maybe it's even still going on. I would rather set it later in
the 22nd Century. For example I saw a reference that Starfleet
Academy was being built (or the campus in San Francisco
expanded) around this time, circa 2185 or so. Maybe set it
in 2199 or something, at the turn of their Millennium. Spock
might even be at the Academy around this time, considering
that his father was 100+ around the time of TOS.
If it's a temporal event or disaster of some sort on this "first"
Enterprise that leads to the commissioning of the Enterprise
1701 a generation later, that would also explain the crew
similarities. They re-commissioned it with the same approach
to crew selection that the Federation had at that time.
Anyway, I think I would argue for something a bit closer
to Pike's time than First Contact, the Romulan War being
roughly in the middle. Make the series and "starring" ships
temporally mobile, and it's even better because you can
visit it all.
Jamie
wrote:
space shuttle Enterprise, seeking out familiar old worlds and human
life...to boldly carry cargo like no man has carried cargo before!
(hum TOS theme, da daaaa da da da da da...)
Stephen Botha
: On 05 Mar 2001 05:06:00 GMT, drum...@aol.comsuk (Michael Hafer)
: wrote:
:>
:>Actually, no. By TNG most of humanity is united under one basic culture. Your
:>examples of Sisco and Bashir are wrong. How exactly was Ben more black than
:>say, Geordi? Because he was strong and liked creole food??? Bashir...how did
:>his character reflect any specific culture, middle eastern, Indian or
:>otherwise? The reason for diversity in casting in Star Trek is simple: It says
:>we all have a place in the future, no matter what we look like. Not to mention
:>it just doesn't make sense w/o such diversity. The Chinese constitute 1/5th of
:>our global population, yet so far we get one character that is Chinese - Kim.
Why are you assuming the world's stats are the same in 400 years time?
maybe then only 1/100 is chinese, due to who knows what events. Maybe in
400 years time 90% are Eskimos??
SB
Michael Hafer
>maybe then only 1/100 is chinese, due to who knows what events. Maybe in
>400 years time 90% are Eskimos??
No, aparently 90% are white according to Trek.
Michael Hafer
Matthew D. Sullivan
wrote:
>>Why are you assuming the world's stats are the same in 400 years time?
And 98% are American.
-Matt S.
Jon Devena
of it's population was killed.
Michael Hafer wrote:
--
Jon Devena
culture and language becomes the dominant Earth culture.
"Matthew D. Sullivan" wrote:
> And 98% are American.
>
> -Matt S.
--
Joe Esposito
Matthew D. Sullivan <mattsu...@sprint.caNADA> wrote in message
news:3aa870f5...@news.sprint.ca...
You say that like it's a BAD thing. 8)
Gilberto Simpson
World War III, and a genocidal struggled launched by Colonel Green. We
also know that a group of Native Americans left Earth and went to a planet
of their own. Perhaps various members of other groups (that weren'
decimated in the above mentioned violence) left on their own. (Like maybe,
neo-garveyites had a *real* Black Star Line)
-Gilberto