"Who in their right mind would have sex with a Klingon"...
Patrick Kevin Williams
I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
that goes on. Human beings attracted to these weird looking aliens
they come in contact with. For example, other than Jack Crusher,
I don't believe that Beverly Crusher ever had a thing for a
normal "human" looking being. She seemed to always go for the
weird forehead shaped freaks that would look her way. YECK!!!
Then there is Riker, the Kirk wanna be. He enjoyed the queer
looking--and I can remember the queer (neither male nor female)--
creature he fell so "in love" with. Sheessh........
Then my man Commander Sisko. He fell for this "FINE" sister from
another planet. She was beautiful; except for those dog-faced
"Mr Spock" ears of hers, why couldn't she look normal? What is
normal? Looking like a HUMAN BEING. Not just a HUMANOID.
What is Star Trek tryijng to push?.......Beastiality? Star
Trek is nothing more than a futuristic version of mythological
fables.
Patrick
pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu
ps Don't get me wrong....I still enjoy Star Trek. But all the
sex between the humans and aliens.......YECK!!!!!
--
scott johnson
Patrick Kevin Williams <pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> wrote:
>Good gracious. I got to be frank here. What thing that
>I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
>that goes on. Human beings attracted to these weird looking aliens
>they come in contact with. For example, other than Jack Crusher,
>I don't believe that Beverly Crusher ever had a thing for a
>normal "human" looking being. She seemed to always go for the
>weird forehead shaped freaks that would look her way. YECK!!!
[rest of post mercifully piped to /dev/null, where it belongs. ]
The question is not, "who would want to have sex with a Klingon."
The question is whether or not the Klingon would want YOU.
IDIC, remember?
/sj/
Scott Johnson -- Graduate Slave, ECE Department, Oregon State University
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Virginia Boehm
Kevin Williams) writes:
>
>Good gracious. I got to be frank here. What thing that
>I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
>that goes on.
>
>Patrick
>pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu
>
>ps Don't get me wrong....I still enjoy Star Trek. But all the
> sex between the humans and aliens.......YECK!!!!!
>--
>Why not? I've seen some aliens I could maybe go for. But not a
Klingon - at my age, that's more than I could handle. :-)
Gini
>
SULLIVANT-JONES, HOLLY
>From: gi...@ix.netcom.com (Virginia Boehm)
>Subject: Re: "Who in their right mind would have sex with a Klingon"...
>Date: 1 Feb 1995 13:09:06 GMT
I'd definitely go for a klingon, Worf is really sexy! Maybe a little rough
and tumble...
holly
James J. Dibenedetto
>The question is not, "who would want to have sex with a Klingon."
>The question is whether or not the Klingon would want YOU.
No, the question is, how in God's name *could* anyone (anyone human, at
least) have sex w/ a Klingon? I mean, physically, how? Even relatively
minor differences in size & shape of genatalia would make sex at best
difficult, and at worst pretty unpleasant. If Klingon males, for example,
have bumpy, bony ridges *all over*, it ain't going to be much fun for a human
female to have sex w/ them. Not to mention the tearing & cutting that would
ensue.
And while I'm on the subject, why is it that every single humanoid species
we've seen derives pleasure form kissing? Let's see some aliens that express
affection in some other way, and find putting one's tongue in someone else's
mouth unpleasant & repulsive.
I know, it's just a TV show. It's just a TV show. It's just a ...
--
Dr. James J. DiBenedetto - SUNY Buffalo School of Law Class of 1994
j...@ubunix.buffalo.edu or jj...@po.cwru.edu
"It'll make you feel really alive; and if not, death is just Nature's way of
saying 'better luck next time.'"
David Alan Carr
>Then my man Commander Sisko. He fell for this "FINE" sister from
>another planet. She was beautiful; except for those dog-faced
>"Mr Spock" ears of hers, why couldn't she look normal? What is
>normal? Looking like a HUMAN BEING. Not just a HUMANOID.
Yeah, remember 30 years ago when being normal meant being WHITE?
It's amazing how some things have changed, and how some have stayed
the same.
>What is Star Trek tryijng to push?.......Beastiality?
What are you trying to push?...Racism? Do you think it's okay for
Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Orientals, etc. to get married and have kids?
If so, what's wrong with (basically) the same thing happening in ST?
>Patrick
>pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu
>ps Don't get me wrong....I still enjoy Star Trek. But all the
> sex between the humans and aliens.......YECK!!!!!
>--
For all of you thinking that I'm taking this too seriously, you're
right. I am. But something about the way Patrick got his message
across got to me.
DAC
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scott johnson
James J. Dibenedetto <j...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>joh...@holmes.ece.orst.edu (scott johnson) writes:
>
>
>>The question is not, "who would want to have sex with a Klingon."
>>The question is whether or not the Klingon would want YOU.
>
>No, the question is, how in God's name *could* anyone (anyone human, at
>least) have sex w/ a Klingon? I mean, physically, how? Even relatively
>minor differences in size & shape of genatalia would make sex at best
>difficult, and at worst pretty unpleasant. If Klingon males, for example,
>have bumpy, bony ridges *all over*, it ain't going to be much fun for a human
>female to have sex w/ them. Not to mention the tearing & cutting that would
>ensue.
I actually saw a bit of erotica on rec.arts.erotica, about a relationship
between Worf and a human female. And no, there were no bony ridges on
certain crucial parts of Worf's anatomy.
>And while I'm on the subject, why is it that every single humanoid species
>we've seen derives pleasure form kissing? Let's see some aliens that express
>affection in some other way, and find putting one's tongue in someone else's
>mouth unpleasant & repulsive.
Well, Ferengi males enjoy having their ears rubbed...... but they seem to
enjoy kissing as well.
I guess tonsil-hockey is a key element that the aliens in "The Chase" gave to
all us humanoids.... :)
>I know, it's just a TV show. It's just a TV show. It's just a ...
>--
>Dr. James J. DiBenedetto - SUNY Buffalo School of Law Class of 1994
>j...@ubunix.buffalo.edu or jj...@po.cwru.edu
>"It'll make you feel really alive; and if not, death is just Nature's way of
>saying 'better luck next time.'"
Scott Johnson -- Graduate Slave, ECE Department, Oregon State University
Check out my new (but unfinished) Web page--http://www.ece.orst.edu/~johnsos
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Eric E. Cohen
On the earth, most interspecies mating results in an offspring that cannot
mate. This does not seem to be the case in the Star Trek universe.
<<EC>>
Aaron M Woolsey
well...on this subject, i must say that many of the women cast as
bajorans have been quites attractive...especially the one that tried to
assasinate vedic whomever in that one DS9 episode.
my question is this: sure, all these species have arose from bits of a
common DNA pool. but how can they produce viable offspring? I mean...if humans
and chimpanzees (I don't know if this has truly been tried, but if you pick up a
national enquirer, you'll see something on it once in a while) cannot produce a
vailable offspring (98% homologous DNA sequences), then how can a klingon and
human, or whatever? I mean...all sorts of debilitations kick in with humans who
just have one extra chromosome, or one too few...
in order for all these species to mate with each other, each would have
to have 23 pairs of chromosomes that are comparable in function and genes...i'd
say half-humans-half-whatevers would be rare, since most of these pregnancies
would probably result in a miscarriage.
-Aaron.
SCOTTHOL
: Good gracious. I got to be frank here. What thing that
: I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
: ps Don't get me wrong....I still enjoy Star Trek. But all the
: sex between the humans and aliens.......YECK!!!!!
All I can say is, too bad you have such narrow tastes, Patrick.
Personally, I find many of the female aliens Star Trek presents
to be attractive in the extreme.
Scott Hollifield / sco...@cris.com
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Virginia Boehm
ONe would assume that advances in genetic engineering have made
interspecies possible (except in cases such as Vulcans and Romulans who
share a common heritage). In the Star Trek novels, it is generally
assumed that even the conception of Spock required some intervention.
Gini
Bilbo Baggins
: I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
: that goes on. Human beings attracted to these weird looking aliens
: they come in contact with. For example, other than Jack Crusher,
: Patrick
: pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu
Okay, just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'll think of more the
moment I log off....
PS: I never remember episode names. PPS: the word "chic" is used lightly.
The Blue chick (TOS)
The Green chick who blew up outside the asylum (TOS)
The woman Scotty "Killed" when possessed by Jack the Ripper
The Vulcan chic Spock was "engaged" to
The Cloud-Minder BABE (beyond chic-dom) with the great outfit.
The Woman McCoy fell in love with who lived inside the asteroid.
The manufactured women in that Alice in Wonderland Planet
Ensign Ro, if only she weren't so angry at everything.
The mother of Worf's child Alexander
The Romulan doublemint twins
Deana, in a good outfit.
The "metamorph" woman who shifts to match the man she's with
The Klingon Quark "married" (she didn't even spit the second time she
kissed him)
Dax.
Dax. (she gets two, since there's someone inside her)
The trill host that *received* the trill Dr. Crusher was hot for.
The Betazed who dies in the Voyager pilot (stop thinking about *her* when
you're with me!)
The half-klingon who's now chief of Engineering (pant pant ow! my nose)
Kes.
Kes. (She gets two because I want to see her nekkid in an upcoming episode)
If thinking about sex with any of the above is perverted, then I make
perverts look *normal.*
Look. If you saw that Orion Slave Girl dancing around and you're a
hetero guy and you *didn't* think about sleeping with her, go for some
help.
Actually, I always thought of that as one of the early anti-racist
"statements" of Star Trek. Kirk boffed all, regardless of race, creed,
color, age, or religion. Riker took it the next step by boffing
regardless of gender.
Let me tell you... I was about 13 the first time I really noticed her,
but when I did, I looked *right past* that Orion Slave Girl's skin
color. I was too busy _trying_ to look right past her outfit.
>8-P
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Patrick Kevin Williams
: pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Patrick Kevin Williams) writes:
: >Then my man Commander Sisko. He fell for this "FINE" sister from
: >another planet. She was beautiful; except for those dog-faced
: >"Mr Spock" ears of hers, why couldn't she look normal? What is
: >normal? Looking like a HUMAN BEING. Not just a HUMANOID.
: Yeah, remember 30 years ago when being normal meant being WHITE?
: It's amazing how some things have changed, and how some have stayed
: the same.
: >What is Star Trek tryijng to push?.......Beastiality?
: What are you trying to push?...Racism? Do you think it's okay for
: Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Orientals, etc. to get married and have kids?
: If so, what's wrong with (basically) the same thing happening in ST?
: >Patrick
: >pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu
: >ps Don't get me wrong....I still enjoy Star Trek. But all the
: > sex between the humans and aliens.......YECK!!!!!
: >--
: For all of you thinking that I'm taking this too seriously, you're
: right. I am. But something about the way Patrick got his message
: across got to me.
From Patrick Williams the guy who first posted this subject originally:
WHOA......WAIT A MINUTE PAL!!!!! Where do you come off comparing
human beings, (eg., Hispanics, African Americans, Asians,...) to "creatures"
like the Klingon, Romulans, Cadassians and so forth. The latter are not
humans, they are HUMANOID!!!!
When I spoke of the intramarrying of humans with different species of life;
that is when I mentioned beastiality. I am an African American male
(who loves Star Trek by the way), if I marry a hispanic woman that would be
"normal" If I married an Asian woman that would be NORMAL. GOT IT!!!
Humans with Humans. If I or anyone choose to marry someone from another
planet like a "ferengi" that would be AB-NORMAL!!!!!
Oh boy,.....where is this conversation going?....I got to study.
Patrick
pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.eud
ps I enjoy reading many of the posts in this group. Some very intelligent
people are into Star Trek.
: DAC
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in your paradigm of wierd aliens too?
George
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Virginia Boehm
Kevin Williams) writes:
>
>David Alan Carr (gt8...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
>: pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (Patrick Kevin Williams) writes:
>
>
>: Yeah, remember 30 years ago when being normal meant being WHITE?
>: It's amazing how some things have changed, and how some have stayed
>: the same.
>
>: >What is Star Trek tryijng to push?.......Beastiality?
>
>: What are you trying to push?...Racism? Do you think it's okay for
>: Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Orientals, etc. to get married and have
kids?
>: If so, what's wrong with (basically) the same thing happening in ST?
>
>
>From Patrick Williams the guy who first posted this subject originally:
>
>WHOA......WAIT A MINUTE PAL!!!!! Where do you come off comparing
>human beings, (eg., Hispanics, African Americans, Asians,...) to
"creatures"
>like the Klingon, Romulans, Cadassians and so forth. The latter are
not
>humans, they are HUMANOID!!!!
>
>When I spoke of the intramarrying of humans with different species of
life;
>that is when I mentioned beastiality. I am an African American male
>(who loves Star Trek by the way), if I marry a hispanic woman that
would be
>"normal" If I married an Asian woman that would be NORMAL. GOT IT!!!
>Humans with Humans. If I or anyone choose to marry someone from
another
>planet like a "ferengi" that would be AB-NORMAL!!!!!
>
>Oh boy,.....where is this conversation going?....I got to study.
>
>Patrick
>pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.eud
>
>
>
>
>
>: DAC
>: --
>: David Alan Carr (gt8...@prism.gatech.edu)
>: LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC: Mr. Bungle, Bad Religion, 311, Afghan Whigs,
Therapy,
>: Sunny Day Real Estate, G. Love and SS, Everclear, Gigolo Aunts, Rage
>: Against the Machine, Rollins Band, Frank Black, 4 1/2 Fluid Ounces
(my band).
>--
>
>
Who is to say that what is "normal" now, will still by "normal" in the
24th century. For you, as an African American male to marry a woman of
a different race is normal *now*. But I'm old enough to remember a time
when in some states in our own USA to do so was not only "abnormal" but
"illegal". I kid you not. Strange and bigotted as that seems to us
now, that's the way it was. Your viewpoint may be considered just as
strange in the 24th century IMHO.
Gini
Greg_Walra...@notes.worldcom.com
I don't believe that Beverly Crusher ever had a thing for a
normal "human" looking being. She seemed to always go for the
weird forehead shaped freaks that would look her way. YECK!!!"
Oh?? How about here on-again/off-again fling with Picard??
cryod...@x.ringworld
>
>On the earth, most interspecies mating results in an offspring that cannot
>mate. This does not seem to be the case in the Star Trek universe.
It seems that it's a general property of this universe that sentient
life evolves as humanoid. The slight differences are due to the
differences in the local characteristics of the given planet where the
evolution took place, for example one in a starsystem with a hotter or
cooler star, the presence or absence of a nebula, the element composition
of the planet and so forth. Maybe interspecies mating rules are different
for sentient life.
Philip Chien
pwil...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu writes:
>Good gracious. I got to be frank here. What thing that
>I dislike about Startrek is all the supposebly intraspecies mating
>that goes on.
<BOBBIT>
>What is Star Trek tryijng to push?.......Beastiality? Star
>Trek is nothing more than a futuristic version of mythological fables.
Push? Push? Try replacing phrases like 'long puppy dog ears' or various
other ethnic stereotype alien characteristics, and replace them with
terms like 'slant-eye' or 'balloon lips' or 'brillo head' various other
stereotype descriptions for different races.
There's absolutely no reson why somebody shouldn't have a relationship
with any intelligent being from another species.
What's surprising is that in Trek's era there is so much same species or
same race relationships that sombody like "Spock" or "B'Telanna" is
considered unusual.
Would you consider sex with a dophin to be beastiality? How about with
somebody of a different race?
And besides - I can think of a couple of mythological characters who were
rather sexually appealing. And a *bunch* of Trek aliens.
Philip Chien, Earth News - space writer and consultant PCH...@IDS.NET
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b...@ausys.se
I have often wondered about the American pie (I am American
so no offense) messages through all the years of ST. People
were discovering their own intellectuality in the 60's, and now
we are discovereing our wisdom. Wisdom about ecology and
human interaction. Is not love between Humanoids a message
on non-racial, or more to the point, non-pre-judice of any kind.
The human mind is capable of "falling in love" with inhumane
things, is it not, because physical love is stimulated by intellegent harmony.
If these supposed Humanoid creatures of the future should
be real, and their physiological make up should allow for it,
I imagine there would be fratinizing irregardless of the possibility
to have off-spring. But the ST message here, must surely be,
Open your mind, to the different, in the name of increased knowledge,
wisdom and peace?? I have no comment on the message, but is
this not the message?
Sandra
Stockholm, Sweden.
First time rec.arts.startrek partaker
Mark_T...@radical.com
>On the earth, most interspecies mating results in an offspring that cannot
>mate. This does not seem to be the case in the Star Trek universe.
How's that? It is obvious you don't know what "mate" means.
From Digital Webster:
mate (vb) mat.ed; mat.ing (vt)
(1509)
1 archaic: EQUAL, MATCH
2: to join or fit together: COUPLE
3a: to join together as mates
b: to provide a mate for
~ vi
1: to become mated gears that mate well
2: COPULATE
Unless it's one of those "round hole, square peg" deals, as far as
I can figure, they can mate all they want, just without any
offspring.
It's 24th century birth control, okay?
Besides, B'Ellana's a BABE. "Hurt me," I said. And she did.