Series V is going to be better than Voyager
Jon Devena
Because Jeri Taylor who fucked up Voyager earlier on is not going to be
in Series V and Brannon Braga the guy who wrote some of Trek best
epsiodes and improved Voyager in season 6 is going to be the main huncho
behind Series. Many inculding myself at times have grudges againist him
for very good reasons, however he is a good writer. Although personally
I think, let me parapharse John Kang " the series will be episodic, not
overarching. Probably melodramatic, not inspiring, and most probably
extremely vague." However it will have far better characthers than
Voyager and better scripts. Also a another reason is they are going to
get rid of all those bad writers currently working for Voyager.
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
Hmm. I always thought it was Bragga's fault. Jeri Taylor isn't that bad
a writer / producer.
I don't want Bragga involved in this new series. He will ruin it. Him
and Berman don't give a poo about Star Trek. They only want ratings and
the stories that *they* want.
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Geoff Trowbridge
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> Brannon Braga the guy who wrote some of Trek best epsiodes
>
Uh, name one.
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Jon Devena
,Equinox Star Trek: First Contact and Memorial. Voyager despite it's
faults can turn out ocassional epsiodes that would have been classics on
TNG.
Bill McCabe
<trowb...@qtm.net> wrote:
>"Jon Devena" <Tri...@mail.scm-rpg.com.au> wrote in message
>news:3A87BA61...@mail.scm-rpg.com.au...
>> Brannon Braga the guy who wrote some of Trek best epsiodes
>>
>
>Uh, name one.
"Parallels" and "Cause and Effect" are a couple of the better
TNG episodes.
David B.
>
> In article <3A87BA61...@mail.scm-rpg.com.au>,
> tristan...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I am expecting series V to be better than Voyager and possibly DS9.
> > Because Jeri Taylor who fucked up Voyager earlier on is not going to
> be
> > in Series V and Brannon Braga the guy who wrote some of Trek best
> > epsiodes and improved Voyager in season 6 is going to be the main
> huncho
> > behind Series. Many inculding myself at times have grudges againist
> him
> > for very good reasons, however he is a good writer. Although
> personally
> > I think, let me parapharse John Kang " the series will be episodic,
> not
> > overarching. Probably melodramatic, not inspiring, and most probably
> > extremely vague." However it will have far better characthers than
> > Voyager and better scripts. Also a another reason is they are going to
> > get rid of all those bad writers currently working for Voyager.
>
> Hmm. I always thought it was Bragga's fault. Jeri Taylor isn't that bad
> a writer / producer.
Considering the Voyager really sucked in the 2nd season and had a so-so
third I'd blame her for many lame Voyager episodes. Voyager was so-so
until the 2nd half of the third season. IMO, Voyager was at it's best in
seasons 4-6 which was when Braga was in charge.
> I don't want Bragga involved in this new series. He will ruin it. Him
> and Berman don't give a poo about Star Trek. They only want ratings and
> the stories that *they* want.
As opposed to giving the fans what they want? Ask 3 Trek fans what they
want from a new series and you'll get conflicting answers.
John Kang
>
I've always thought they should hire JMS for the new series. With Gene
gone, he's the next best thing I can think of.
John Kang
I loved Voyager's early seasons. Most of the episodes up to Scorpion
were great and almost worthy of your average TNG episode. Ever since
the end of Scorpion, I've found I am less and less enthusiastic about
new Voyager episodes. "Hope and Fear" was pretty much a big
dissappointment. And don't even get me started on the bad episodes of
Season 6, eeesh.
John Kang
>
> All good things, Birthright, Year of Hell, Living Witness, Scorpion,
> ,Equinox Star Trek: First Contact and Memorial. Voyager despite it's
> faults can turn out ocassional epsiodes that would have been classics on
> TNG.
I didn't particularly like All Good Things. I think it was a rather
abrupt ending. I did like what it tried to do though and the ending was
spectacular. Something as big as the ending of a series just simply
can't be done by one or two episodes. The fault of almost every
episodic Sci-Fi series. I didn't like Birthright all that much either.
Year of Hell was good, to some degree, I don't even remember what Living
Witness is, Scorpion was good, but not up to par with Best of Both
Worlds. Equinox was pretty good too, although it had it's plot-holes
and errors not to mention the hypocracy (Janeway telling another captain
about the Prime Directive?).
One thing I dispised about First Contact is the Borg Queen thing. I
think it was the foundation for Voyager's massacre of the Borg image.
Mohap
You are right. Braga is an excellent writer BUT he's one of the worst
producers.
Brian Thorn
<trowb...@qtm.net> wrote:
>> Brannon Braga the guy who wrote some of Trek best epsiodes
>Uh, name one.
"Cause And Effect"
also...
"Identity Crisis"
"Timescape"
"Parallels"
He wrote some turkeys, too. Most ominous for Voyager fans, both he and
Jeri Taylor wrote the abominable "Sub Rosa".
Brian
Timo S Saloniemi
...Which happens to be one of my absolute TNG favorites. I didn't
exactly dislike "Identity Crisis" or "Parallels", either, so I'm not
a complete weirdo, but I do wonder why people didn't enjoy "Sub
Rosa" quite as much as I did. Was it just because the literary
reference was too obvious?
Timo Saloniemi
Maureen Goldman
> >He wrote some turkeys, too. Most ominous for Voyager fans, both he and
> >Jeri Taylor wrote the abominable "Sub Rosa".
> tsal...@alpha.hut.fi (Timo S Saloniemi) wrote:
> ...Which happens to be one of my absolute TNG favorites. I didn't
> exactly dislike "Identity Crisis" or "Parallels", either, so I'm not
> a complete weirdo, but I do wonder why people didn't enjoy "Sub
> Rosa" quite as much as I did. Was it just because the literary
> reference was too obvious?
There was a literary reference in Sub Rosa? I'm wondering if you are
thinking of the right episode. This is the one about the ghost lover
of generations of women in Bev Crusher's family. I thought it was just
awful, the depiction of a "happy rape" since, judging from Bev's
experience, these women were put in an artificial frame of mind where
they were unable to refuse. Kind of seeing someone drugged into sex
and giggly. I was appalled.
Brian Thorn
>...Which happens to be one of my absolute TNG favorites. I didn't
>exactly dislike "Identity Crisis" or "Parallels", either, so I'm not
>a complete weirdo, but I do wonder why people didn't enjoy "Sub
>Rosa" quite as much as I did. Was it just because the literary
>reference was too obvious?
Well, for starters it was a Beverly episode, and those have two
strikes against them already. McFadden is a weak actress and asking
her to carry a show is too much.
Then it was a Beverly episode in which Beverly turned in her brain for
a few pounds of ground beef. Beverly episodes are bad enough, a
Beverly episode in which Beverly turns into a complete dunce (for the
sake of the story) is beyond redemption.
And on top of all that, it was excessively boring.
I don't mean to offend. If you liked "Sub Rosa", that's great. To each
his own. I frequently enjoy "Voyager" episodes that folks here
describe as vile and/or horrendous. That's the way I feel about "Sub
Rosa".
Brian
Jim Gray
>There was a literary reference in
>Sub Rosa?
What Taylor and Braga did, apparently, was buy used paperback copies of
Anne Rice's "The Witching Hour" and "Lasher" and copy them into script
format. The stories are almost exactly the same as Sub Rosa. And
predate it by a good five years. Rice fans all but screamed bloody
murder when the episode aired...
Jim (occasional Rice fan) Gray
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O. Deus
The quality leap in season 6 and quality drop in season 7 would suggest
otherwise...
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