Girl Genius-11/09/12 Wishful Thinking

[William George Ferguson]

"Well, maybe more like hopeful shouting."

Also, the blurb at the top mentions that Phil will be at Philcon this
weekend. So, when does Kaja get to go to Kajacon?

--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)

[Brenda Clough]

On 11/9/2012 5:10 PM, William George Ferguson wrote:
> "Well, maybe more like hopeful shouting."
>
> Also, the blurb at the top mentions that Phil will be at Philcon this
> weekend. So, when does Kaja get to go to Kajacon?
>

I will be at Philcon.

Brenda

--
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[Quadibloc]

On Nov 9, 3:11 pm, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

> So, when does Kaja get to go to Kajacon?

I suspect Philcon was named after Philadelphia rather than Phil
Foglio. :)

John Savard

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, 10 November 2012 01:18:13 UTC, bre...@sff.net wrote:
> On 11/9/2012 5:10 PM, William George Ferguson wrote:
>
> > "Well, maybe more like hopeful shouting."
>

> > The blurb at the top mentions that Phil will be at Philcon this

> > weekend. So, when does Kaja get to go to Kajacon?
>
> I will be at Philcon.
>
> Brenda

Will there be philk?

[Brenda Clough]

There was. Phil manned his table in the huckster room, in the intervals
of doing panels, etc. He reports that vol. 12 is going to be the last
one before the 'hiatus' but that it is shaping up to be hugely long. I
suggested breaking it into vol. 12-A and 12-B but he felt this would not
be satisfactory. Tor has not yet agreed to do yet more prose volumes, so
people must rattle the bars and demand more.

Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne as you might have
thought.

[David Goldfarb]

In article <k7pma9$8i1$1...@dont-email.me>,

Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Tor has not yet agreed to do yet more prose volumes, so
>people must rattle the bars and demand more.

Tor didn't do any of the prose volumes. They did an omnibus edition
of the first three comics volumes. It was Night Shade Press who did
the prose books, and Phil has mentioned on his LJ that they're working
on the third.

>Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne as you might have
>thought.

I'm pretty sure I never imagined the latter pronunciation, myself.

--
David Goldfarb | "I am an atheist, myself. A simple faith, but
goldf...@gmail.com | a great comfort to me in these last days."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Shards of Honor_

[Robert Carnegie]

On Monday, November 12, 2012 2:18:50 AM UTC, bre...@sff.net wrote:
> Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne as you might have
> thought.

Well, like "heterosexual", yes. It's a real word, of course.
...What hiatus?

[Brenda Clough]

They project that the entire epic will take about 20 volumes, but they
plan to take a break after vol. 12. No idea how long this gap will be,
but the idea is to do more prose novels, and I assume to lay out the
rest of the work in more detail.

[Wayne Throop]

:: Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne
:: as you might have thought.

Who might have thought that?

: Well, like "heterosexual", yes.

Also like heterodox, heterogeneous heterochromia, heterotroph,
heterozygous, heteronormative, heterocycles, heterotaxy,
and probably many many more.

[David DeLaney]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:18:36 GMT, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>:: Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne
>:: as you might have thought.
>
>Who might have thought that?

I suppose it's possible it might have been thought. Passive voice means
never having to identify your sources!

>: Well, like "heterosexual", yes.
>
>Also like heterodox, heterogeneous heterochromia, heterotroph,
>heterozygous, heteronormative, heterocycles, heterotaxy,
>and probably many many more.

And Hetalia, Axis Powers.

Dave, i'll get my het end coat
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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[Greg Goss]

Both the generic rule for four-syllable words (strong first, three
weak) and the existing words superheterodyne and heterodyne all
indicate the former pronunciation. What parallelism would lead to a
strong second syllable?
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:43:51 -0700, Greg Goss
<go...@gossg.org> wrote in
<news:agft89...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:

>>:: Also, it is pronounced HETerodyne, not heTERodyne
>>:: as you might have thought.

>>Who might have thought that?

>>: Well, like "heterosexual", yes.

>> Also like heterodox, heterogeneous heterochromia,
>> heterotroph, heterozygous, heteronormative,
>> heterocycles, heterotaxy, and probably many many more.

> Both the generic rule for four-syllable words (strong
> first, three weak) and the existing words superheterodyne
> and heterodyne all indicate the former pronunciation.
> What parallelism would lead to a strong second syllable?

Amphetamine; antiphonal; exiguous; immensity; antipathy;
citalopram; residual; remorsefulness; ... . But it's hard
to imagine anyone not realizing that it's the word
'heterodyne' and pronouncing it accordingly.

Brian

[Robert Carnegie]

On Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:00:18 UTC, Brian M. Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:43:51 -0700, Greg Goss
> <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
> <news:agft89...@mid.individual.net> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
>

> > What parallelism would lead to a strong second syllable?
>
> Amphetamine; antiphonal; exiguous; immensity; antipathy;
> citalopram; residual; remorsefulness; ... . But it's hard
> to imagine anyone not realizing that it's the word
> 'heterodyne' and pronouncing it accordingly.

I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.
It comes up in science fiction written before a certain point
in time... I'm assuming that it came up at Philcon, maybe
even from the lips of our Bren.

[Brenda Clough]

No no. I was standing by the GG table in the huckster room when a young
fan came up and asked Phil how it was pronounced. He also mentioned
that Jager is pronounced like Jagerbrau. I told him he should consider
a pronounciation guide on the web page, but he replied that it was fun
to have people come up and ask him.

[J. Clarke]

In article <f0ddc5f8-5f5d-415f...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com says...

The term comes from radio engineering and originated in 1901.

[Greg Goss]

Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:

>I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.
>It comes up in science fiction written before a certain point
>in time... I'm assuming that it came up at Philcon, maybe
>even from the lips of our Bren.

When I was a lad, all the radios had "superheterodyne" stamped in with
the logos somewhere. In the pre-digital era, it was a technique that
made it easier to deal with high frequencies, and thus produced a
better radio. I'm not sure what the "super" meant in that context.

[Greg Goss]

Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>fan came up and asked Phil how it was pronounced. He also mentioned
>that Jager is pronounced like Jagerbrau.

I find it jarring in the 1632 series where "jager" is a german word
for "forest ranger".

[Brian M. Scott]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:14:11 -0700, Greg Goss
<go...@gossg.org> wrote in
<news:aggr55...@mid.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> I find it jarring in the 1632 series where "jager" is a
> german word for "forest ranger".

It's entirely appropriate, though: <J�ger> covers 'huntsman,
gamekeeper'.

Brian

[David DeLaney]

Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.
>>It comes up in science fiction written before a certain point
>>in time... I'm assuming that it came up at Philcon, maybe
>>even from the lips of our Bren.
>
>When I was a lad, all the radios had "superheterodyne" stamped in with
>the logos somewhere. In the pre-digital era, it was a technique that
>made it easier to deal with high frequencies, and thus produced a
>better radio. I'm not sure what the "super" meant in that context.

Paging Hedy Lamarr... Hedy Lamarr, white jordan's-laddered radiophone please...

Dave

[Doug Wickström]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:12:53 -0700, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org>
wrote:

>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.
>>It comes up in science fiction written before a certain point
>>in time... I'm assuming that it came up at Philcon, maybe
>>even from the lips of our Bren.
>
>When I was a lad, all the radios had "superheterodyne" stamped in with
>the logos somewhere. In the pre-digital era, it was a technique that
>made it easier to deal with high frequencies, and thus produced a
>better radio. I'm not sure what the "super" meant in that context.

It was just a glamour placed on heterodyne. Armstrong invented
heterodyning; he named it that.

It didn't make it easier to deal with high frequencies. It made
it cheaper. The alternative was that each amplification stage
would require individual tuning, a technique called Tuned Radio
Frequency (TRF), using a large multi-section ganged capacitor, or
several fiddly individual ones. With heterodyning, a two-section
capacitor could be used. One section tuned the first
amplification stage, and the second tuned the local oscillator.
The local oscillator, which was usually either 142.5 or 455 kHz
above or below the desired tuned station, was mixed with the
incoming signal. This resulted in four signals out of the first
stage: the original signal, the local signal, the sum of the
two, and their difference. This was then fed to the
intermediate, or IF stage or stages, which could be fixed-tuned
at the difference frequency of 142.5 or 455, and didn't have to
be tuned with a change of station. The more tuned stages,
whether RF or IF, the more selective the receiver was, and the
more potentially sensitive. The typical table-top radio, the
5-tube AC-DC model, would only have one RF and one IF stage. The
local oscillator, the RF amplifier, and the converter amplifier
would occupy one tube (conveniently called a pentagrid
converter), the IF amplifier would use the second tube, the audio
detector and pre-amplifier would be the third, the audio power
amplifier the fourth, and the rectifier to convert AC to DC would
be the fifth.

I actually have worked on, and even have a couple of really
high-class AM receivers that have three tuned RF stages, two of
them amplified, and three amplified IF stages, and use both
common frequencies for IFs. The radio tunes in four different
bands: 100-200, 200-410, 410-850, and 850-1750 kHz. This covers
everything from extreme LW to above the MW band. There are 26
tubes total in the receiver, some of them very specialized, and
others found in any radio repair shop of the day. The two
different IFs are used for different bands, for image-rejection
purposes. Images are ghost signals caused by the interaction of
the local oscillator with harmonics of the received frequencies.
They couldn't entirely be eliminated, but they could be mitigated
by having the IF sufficiently far out of the tunable range.

These receivers were part of an aircraft Automatic Direction
Finder. The sensitivity specification was that they would home
on a signal of 100 microvolts/meter of antenna. I could get them
to do it at 10 microvolts, these receivers were that good. I
used to listen to the BBC Dagenham at 206 kHz from North Carolina
using the run of the shop sets installed on the aircraft, and I
have great hopes for the two receivers I have. The were taken
out of service in the 1950s, when they were relatively new. I
shouldn't have to work too terribly hard to put them in use.
--
Doug Wickström

[J. Clarke]

In article <aggr55...@mid.individual.net>, go...@gossg.org says...

>
> Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >fan came up and asked Phil how it was pronounced. He also mentioned
> >that Jager is pronounced like Jagerbrau.
>
> I find it jarring in the 1632 series where "jager" is a german word
> for "forest ranger".

Hunter monsters. Which is what they are and what they do, so it fits
fine.

Personally I think of it as a play on Jagermeister. Having tasted that
stuff once, I think I'd prefer the Jagerdraft even if it did turn me
into a monster.

[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 11/13/12 8:25 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:00:18 UTC, Brian M. Scott wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:43:51 -0700, Greg Goss
>> <go...@gossg.org> wrote in
>> <news:agft89...@mid.individual.net> in
>> rec.arts.sf.written:
>>
>>> What parallelism would lead to a strong second syllable?
>>
>> Amphetamine; antiphonal; exiguous; immensity; antipathy;
>> citalopram; residual; remorsefulness; ... . But it's hard
>> to imagine anyone not realizing that it's the word
>> 'heterodyne' and pronouncing it accordingly.
>
> I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.

AND have heard it pronounced. I know I read MANY words which I did not
actually hear pronounced for many, many years, and as a consequence
there are some that I pronounce incorrectly because by the time I
learned that my pronunciation was incorrect, I had decades of ingrained
assumed pronunciation that won't leave.


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Sea Wasp
/^\
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com

[David Johnston]

On 11/13/2012 11:12 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> I suppose they'd have to know that "heterodyne" /is/ a word.
>> It comes up in science fiction written before a certain point
>> in time... I'm assuming that it came up at Philcon, maybe
>> even from the lips of our Bren.
>
> When I was a lad, all the radios had "superheterodyne" stamped in with
> the logos somewhere. In the pre-digital era, it was a technique that
> made it easier to deal with high frequencies, and thus produced a
> better radio. I'm not sure what the "super" meant in that context.
>

It meant "really awesome".

[James Silverton]

I think the Wiki article is pretty good. The first paragraph gives most
of the necessary information.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

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