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Old Tea Leaf Reviews 18: 1998 Locus Poll Best First Novel

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James Nicoll

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This will be the final entry as I think anything less than a decade
is insufficient time to consider a career.

Best First Novel

1 The Great Wheel Ian R. MacLeod

I missed this.

MacLeod's books are well received. His career is the opposite
of many detailed in this series, with one novel in the 1990s and three
since 2003.


2 Expendable James Alan Gardner

It's always hard on morale when explorers die. This society
has tried to limit that problem by using people with off-putting
disfigurements as explorers because nobody misses the ugly. Oddly,
this is not a particularly nice society.

Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, one
Lara Croft tie-in and one collection. I am unaware of anything at
book length since 2005's GRAVITY WELLS.


3 Black Wine Candas Jane Dorsey

I missed this.

I am having a hard time reconciling her being on this list with
the records I can find for her career and so will leave commentary to the
better informed.


4 An Exchange of Hostages Susan R. Matthews

Our tragic hero discovers that he really, really enjoys torturing
people for the State but since he feels guilty it is OK.

I hated the two books of hers that I read.

She had at least seven novels before 2002 and one in 2006.


5 Mars Underground William K. Hartmann

I don't remember the particulars well enough to describe this,
although it is set on Mars and I think people are looking for something.

I remember being very disappointed that Hartmann's novel was
not as good as his astronomical non-fiction.

As far as I know, this is his only novel.


6 The Art of Arrow-Cutting Stephen Dedman

An act of charity lands a tough Brooklyne artist in deep
kinchee, with everything from tough guys to monsters coming after
him.

I see three novels from Tor, all between 1997 and 2001, and
a more recent Shadowrun novel. He also has two collections and seems
to be fairly prolific at short lengths.


7 The Merro Tree Katie Waitman

I missed this.

I think she has had just two novels to date, both in the
1990s.


8 Lightpaths Howard V. Hendrix

I missed this.

Hendrix has had seven novels and a collection so far but in my
circles he is better known for the luddite rant that gave the world the
"International Pixel-Stained Technopeasant Day."

http://community.livejournal.com/sfwa/10039.html


9 A Thousand Words for Stranger Julie E. Czerneda

I don't think I read this.

Czerneda appears to average about one novel per year.


10 Waking Beauty Paul Witcover

I missed this.

Witcover appears to have had three novels to date, as well
as shorter works.


11 The Troika Stepan Chapman

I missed this.

I think this was his lone novel.


12 The Stone Prince Fiona Patton

I did not read this.

Patton had four novels between 1997 and 2001, one in 2005 and
one is forthcoming (For some reason I thought she had a lot more books).


13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis

I missed this.

This appears to be their only book.


14 Iron Dawn Matthew Woodring Stover

I missed this.

I believe that Stover has at least a dozen books out, many
of which are STAR WARS tie-in novels.


15 The Seventh Heart Marina Fitch

I missed this.

She appears to have had two novels, both in the late 1990s.
Her short story career appears to begin in the mid-1980s and run
until the late 1990s.


16 The Seraphim Rising Elisabeth DeVos

And to round things out nicely, I missed this as well.

As far as I can tell, this was their only novel.

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Garrett Wollman

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In article <g4ltks$7sk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

>9 A Thousand Words for Stranger Julie E. Czerneda
>
> I don't think I read this.
>
> Czerneda appears to average about one novel per year.

I own this because the SFBC blurb sounded interesting. I think I may
even have read the first chapter or two. I have absolutely no
recollection what it was about.

There are far too many books about which I could say that.

-GAWollman

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Rebecca Rice

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James Nicoll wrote:

> 11 The Troika Stepan Chapman
>
> I missed this.
>
> I think this was his lone novel.
>
>
>

> 13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis
>
> I missed this.
>
> This appears to be their only book.
>

I have to ask... what's with the use of "their" instead of
his/her? I can see doing it where you aren't sure of gender
(say someone named Pat), but Kirsten is almost positively a
female name.

Rebecca

James Nicoll

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In article <A7vbk.13061$xZ....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
It's correct usage and I like to toss it in from time
to time just to show that I know the difference between "there",
"their" and "they're" (Also "its" and "it's", FWIW).

Rich Horton

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:


>Best First Novel
>
>1 The Great Wheel Ian R. MacLeod
>
> I missed this.
>
> MacLeod's books are well received. His career is the opposite
>of many detailed in this series, with one novel in the 1990s and three
>since 2003.
>

MacLeod's a wonderful writer, but I haven't read this book. I think it
took him some time to modulate from writing at novelette/novella
length (which I suspect is his natural length) to novel.

>
>2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>
> It's always hard on morale when explorers die. This society
>has tried to limit that problem by using people with off-putting
>disfigurements as explorers because nobody misses the ugly. Oddly,
>this is not a particularly nice society.
>
> Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, one
>Lara Croft tie-in and one collection. I am unaware of anything at
>book length since 2005's GRAVITY WELLS.
>

I missed GRAVITY WELLS.

Gardner's books are usually quite fun, but the underlying concepts are
in their way at least as silly as the concept you complained about so
strenuously at the center of Tony Daniel's METAPLANETARY.

>
>3 Black Wine Candas Jane Dorsey
>
> I missed this.
>
> I am having a hard time reconciling her being on this list with
>the records I can find for her career and so will leave commentary to the
>better informed.
>

Dorsey has done some excellent short fiction. Haven't read this book,
though I think I have it.

>
>4 An Exchange of Hostages Susan R. Matthews
>
> Our tragic hero discovers that he really, really enjoys torturing
>people for the State but since he feels guilty it is OK.
>
> I hated the two books of hers that I read.
>
> She had at least seven novels before 2002 and one in 2006.
>

I stopped, I think, at one book -- this one -- for the obvious
reasons. I did used to enjoy the occasional Pete McCutcheon rant on
the subject though. (I miss Pete ...)


>
>11 The Troika Stepan Chapman
>
> I missed this.
>
> I think this was his lone novel.
>
>

Chapman, like James Tiptree, Jr., and Howard Waldrop, is a John W.
Campbell discovery, late in Campbell's career. And so who says
Campbell was by then a hidebound conservative, unable to adapt to the
newer styles of SF?

>12 The Stone Prince Fiona Patton
>
> I did not read this.
>
> Patton had four novels between 1997 and 2001, one in 2005 and
>one is forthcoming (For some reason I thought she had a lot more books).
>
>
>13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis
>
> I missed this.
>
> This appears to be their only book.
>

I read it. It was published in the mainstream. Got a lot of praise,
and I thought it OK but not great.

I don't think there is any controversy about Bakis' gender -- she's a
she. (I mean, I get it when you use "they" for Raphael Carter, but
...)

David DeLaney

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>This will be the final entry as I think anything less than a decade
>is insufficient time to consider a career.

I think this is the first one so far that I haven't read _anything_ on yet.

>12 The Stone Prince Fiona Patton
> I did not read this.

I do own it, but haven't read it yet as far as I know (and have the three after
it as well). If she's who I think she is, I do like some of her short stories,
but have shied away from one of her series... hmmm, okay, looks like she's
not, I was thinking of Diana L. Paxson. So I don't actually know anything yet
about Patton's readability.

Dave
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Johnny Tindalos

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Rich Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote in
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> I don't think there is any controversy about Bakis' gender -- she's a
> she. (I mean, I get it when you use "they" for Raphael Carter, but
> ...)
>

Who was surely a lesbian who didn't want all her friends and family to know
about it?

(And who has gone....where? _Learning About Machine Sex_ was cool and _The
Fortunate Fall_ was awesome, where's she gone? We want more!)

Andrew Wheeler

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

> In article <A7vbk.13061$xZ....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> Rebecca Rice <philos...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >James Nicoll wrote:
> >
> >> 11 The Troika Stepan Chapman
> >>
> >> I missed this.
> >>
> >> I think this was his lone novel.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis
> >>
> >> I missed this.
> >>
> >> This appears to be their only book.
> >>
> >I have to ask... what's with the use of "their" instead of
> >his/her? I can see doing it where you aren't sure of gender
> >(say someone named Pat), but Kirsten is almost positively a
> >female name.
> >
> It's correct usage and I like to toss it in from time
> to time just to show that I know the difference between "there",
> "their" and "they're" (Also "its" and "it's", FWIW).

It's only correct usage if the distinction between singular and plural
has been obliterated, and I, for one, am still up on the barricades,
shooting and waving banners.

It sets my teeth on edge when a sentence veers into plural for one word
and then back out.

--
Andrew Wheeler

Bill Snyder

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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:


>14 Iron Dawn Matthew Woodring Stover
>
> I missed this.
>
> I believe that Stover has at least a dozen books out, many
>of which are STAR WARS tie-in novels.

Quite good, I thought, altho' ISTR someone here objecting that it
was too RPGish. Three adventurers in Bronze Age Tyre, a beat-up
Trojan War vet, an exiled Egyptian ex-priest, and a barbarian
female from whatever they called Britain back then.

The first of a duology; the second one is _Jericho Moon_, in which
our trio anticipates Indiana Jones by several millennia by getting
their hands, briefly, on the Ark of the Covenant.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

Rebecca Rice

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I'll accept for those awkward sentences where English
doesn't have a gender-neutral third person pronoun: "The
patient should take X chart with X when X leave." I prefer
"take their chart with them when they leave" to "take
his/her chart with him/her when he/she leaves". And being
female, I do get tired of seeing "he" used for a pronoun
that refers to a person of undisclosed gender.

Rebecca

Brett Paul Dunbar

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In message <1ijkkpj.1kacp3d1mxmkwqN%acwh...@optonline.net>, Andrew
Wheeler <acwh...@optonline.net> writes

Dost thou also object to the use of the plural for the second person
singular?
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Rich Horton

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:09:02 -0500, Johnny Tindalos
<Jama...@UnrealEmail.arg> wrote:

>Rich Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote in
>news:fl0t6411se238727t...@4ax.com:
>
>
>> I don't think there is any controversy about Bakis' gender -- she's a
>> she. (I mean, I get it when you use "they" for Raphael Carter, but
>> ...)
>>
>
>Who was surely a lesbian who didn't want all her friends and family to know
>about it?
>

Not my impression at all, not that I can claim to know for sure.

>(And who has gone....where? _Learning About Machine Sex_ was cool and _The
>Fortunate Fall_ was awesome, where's she gone? We want more!)

Indeed!

Will in New Haven

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On Jul 4, 7:59 pm, acwhe...@optonline.net (Andrew Wheeler) wrote:
> James Nicoll <jdnic...@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <A7vbk.13061$xZ.7...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>,

> > Rebecca Rice <philosphe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >James Nicoll wrote:
>
> > >> 11 The Troika Stepan Chapman
>
> > >> I missed this.
>
> > >> I think this was his lone novel.
>
> > >> 13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis
>
> > >> I missed this.
>
> > >> This appears to be their only book.
>
> > >I have to ask... what's with the use of "their" instead of
> > >his/her? I can see doing it where you aren't sure of gender
> > >(say someone named Pat), but Kirsten is almost positively a
> > >female name.
>
> > It's correct usage and I like to toss it in from time
> > to time just to show that I know the difference between "there",
> > "their" and "they're" (Also "its" and "it's", FWIW).
>
> It's only correct usage if the distinction between singular and plural
> has been obliterated, and I, for one, am still up on the barricades,
> shooting and waving banners.
>
> It sets my teeth on edge when a sentence veers into plural for one word
> and then back out.

I agree. And seeing him say it is "correct usage" was really annoying.
It is a clumsy, _in_correct usage that happens to be fashionable. For
someone named Kirsten, I would take a chance and say "her only book,"
even though someone somewhere has probably named a boy Kirsten
sometime. If I didn't know, I would say "his or her." I don't mind
typing a bit more to be correct.

--
Will in New Haven

William December Starr

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In article <g4ltks$7sk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:

> 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>

> Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, [...]

Is this ISFDB listing correct:

Fiction Series
* Festina Ramos
+ 1 Expendable (1997)
+ 2 Vigilant (1999)
+ 3 Commitment Hour (1998)
+ 4 Hunted (2000)
+ 5 Ascending (2001)
+ 6 Trapped (2002)
+ 7 Radiant (2004)

...specifically, is COMMITMENT HOUR really part of this series?
I hadn't noticed that it was when I read the cover blurb, perhaps
because it didn't talk about ugly expendable people getting killed.
(I also note that it's an exception to the one-word-title style of
the rest of the books.)

--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

William December Starr

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In article <fl0t6411se238727t...@4ax.com>,
Rich Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> said:

> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> [James Alan Gardner] had seven books in the League of Peoples


>> series, one Lara Croft tie-in and one collection. I am unaware
>> of anything at book length since 2005's GRAVITY WELLS.
>
> I missed GRAVITY WELLS.

It's a story collection. (In case you were looking forward to a
novel.) (Or even if you weren't.)

David Librik

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jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>9 A Thousand Words for Stranger Julie E. Czerneda

> I don't think I read this.

Yes you did, because you once made a comment to me about it.

This is the one about a girl from a spacefaring race whose
mating ritual involves involuntary psychic attacks on the
male's brain. She is rescued from kidnappers by a human
starship captain, and while they're on the run from the bad
guys, they fall in love (with the full romance-novel cliched
plot). Eventually she ends up back with her tribe and he
must prove he can withstand her turning into a Raging Psi-
powered Psycho-drama Queen in order to win her hand in marriage.

- David Librik
lib...@panix.com

Andrew Plotkin

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Here, William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <g4ltks$7sk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:
>
> > 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
> >
> > Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, [...]
>
> Is this ISFDB listing correct:
>
> Fiction Series
> * Festina Ramos
> + 1 Expendable (1997)
> + 2 Vigilant (1999)
> + 3 Commitment Hour (1998)
> + 4 Hunted (2000)
> + 5 Ascending (2001)
> + 6 Trapped (2002)
> + 7 Radiant (2004)
>
> ...specifically, is COMMITMENT HOUR really part of this series?

It's not part of a series, although it might be set in the same
universe. (I can't answer that because _Commitment Hour_ is the only
Gardner I've read.)

It's the one about a planet where kids change gender once a year,
throughout adolescence, and make a permanent choice for adulthood.
(These are humans -- there turns out to be tech involved.) I thought
it was pretty good.

--Z

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Here, Johnny Tindalos <Jama...@unrealemail.arg> wrote:
> Rich Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote in
> news:fl0t6411se238727t...@4ax.com:
>
>
> > I don't think there is any controversy about Bakis' gender -- she's a
> > she. (I mean, I get it when you use "they" for Raphael Carter, but
> > ...)
> >
>
> Who was surely a lesbian who didn't want all her friends and family to know
> about it?

Nope.

Garrett Wollman

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In article <1ijkkpj.1kacp3d1mxmkwqN%acwh...@optonline.net>,
Andrew Wheeler <acwh...@optonline.net> wrote:

[Singular "they":]


>It's only correct usage if the distinction between singular and plural
>has been obliterated,

Utter nonsense.

Please start at <http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?cat=27> and
then spend some quality time with
<http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop-np&cof=AH%3Aleft%3BCX%3ALanguage%2520Log%2520Classic%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcoop%2Fintl%2Fen%2Fimages%2Fcustom_search_sm.gif%3BLH%3A65%3BLP%3A1%3BVLC%3A%23551a8b%3BGFNT%3A%23666666%3BDIV%3A%23cccccc%3B&adkw=AELymgVOeuVoHWBHkt2e5-ReEe6Ku8DzsA356274Wy-k0JNqvrAnJ6FGTtQQzDgqumbPKT686G-XuEexg7BZ1-TatyEmzqUOg-AobMoIE4_8IKK2f11L4kE&q=%22singular+they%22&btnG=Search&cx=001269089414569134552%3Aqvjtfauf7ou>.
Follow the links. If you still believe this bit of prescriptivist
poppycock after being beaten round the head by fifteen eminent
linguists, you probably shouldn't be making pronouncements about what
is or is not "correct usage" in any language, never mind English.

Rich Horton

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It's set in the same universe but it's not a Festina Ramos book.

Rich Horton

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On 4 Jul 2008 23:20:02 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
Starr) wrote:

Thanks. I admit I was hoping for a novel.

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Will in New Haven wrote:


> I agree. And seeing him say it is "correct usage" was really annoying.
> It is a clumsy, _in_correct usage that happens to be fashionable.

In general, this is nonsense. The word along with other plural
pronouns, has been used in that way for hundreds of years. It is
perfectly standard. In the particular case, indeed a good bet would
have been for "her".


Brian

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James Nicoll

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In article <g4mu3a$bsp$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

Andrew Plotkin <erky...@eblong.com> wrote:
>Here, William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <g4ltks$7sk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:
>>
>> > 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>> >
>> > Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, [...]
>>
>> Is this ISFDB listing correct:
>>
>> Fiction Series
>> * Festina Ramos
>> + 1 Expendable (1997)
>> + 2 Vigilant (1999)
>> + 3 Commitment Hour (1998)
>> + 4 Hunted (2000)
>> + 5 Ascending (2001)
>> + 6 Trapped (2002)
>> + 7 Radiant (2004)
>>
>> ...specifically, is COMMITMENT HOUR really part of this series?
>
>It's not part of a series, although it might be set in the same
>universe. (I can't answer that because _Commitment Hour_ is the only
>Gardner I've read.)

It's in the same universe. When humans made contact with
the "benevolent" aliens, they offered to transport anyone that asked
to a shiny new world. Enough people left in the next 20 years that
the economy of Earth collapsed. Introduction of off-world technology
added to the chaos (I think about 30% of the apparently unicellular
life on Earth is actually technological).

A small elite, the Spark Lords, then used alien technology
to take over the Earth and stop off-world trade (I think there's a
comment in EXPENDABLE about smuggling coffee off of Earth).

>It's the one about a planet where kids change gender once a year,
>throughout adolescence, and make a permanent choice for adulthood.
>(These are humans -- there turns out to be tech involved.) I thought
>it was pretty good.

The planet is Earth and the custom is limited to one
community in Ontario.

TRAPPED is also set on the Spark Lord's Earth.

James Nicoll

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It's been an acceptable usage for centuries at this point.

James Nicoll

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In article <g4mskh$3qv$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

David Librik <lib...@panix.com> wrote:
>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>>9 A Thousand Words for Stranger Julie E. Czerneda
>
>> I don't think I read this.
>
>Yes you did, because you once made a comment to me about it.
>
Huh.

Well, she's a very nice person and I was embarassed to
think I'd missed her debute.

I wonder if my lack of memory is related to the recent
discovery that sleep apnea can damage that part of the brain responsible
for memory?

Andrew Plotkin

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Here, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <g4mu3a$bsp$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Andrew Plotkin <erky...@eblong.com> wrote:
>
> >It's the one about a planet where kids change gender once a year,
> >throughout adolescence, and make a permanent choice for adulthood.
> >(These are humans -- there turns out to be tech involved.) I thought
> >it was pretty good.
>
> The planet is Earth and the custom is limited to one
> community in Ontario.

Ontario, different planet -- I'm not seeing the distinction you're
trying to make.

(Oops.)

--Z

--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*

It's a nice distinction to tell American soldiers (and Iraqis) to die in
Iraq for the sake of democracy (ignoring the question of whether it's
*working*) and then whine that "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."

Ahasuerus

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On Jul 5, 1:25 am, Rich Horton <rrhor...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:42:18 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Plotkin
>
> <erkyr...@eblong.com> wrote:
> >Here, William December Starr <wdst...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> In article <g4ltks$7s...@reader1.panix.com>,

> >> jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:
>
> >> > 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>
> >> > Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, [...]
>
> >> Is this ISFDB listing correct:
>
> >> Fiction Series
> >> * Festina Ramos
> >> + 1 Expendable (1997)
> >> + 2 Vigilant (1999)
> >> + 3 Commitment Hour (1998)
> >> + 4 Hunted (2000)
> >> + 5 Ascending (2001)
> >> + 6 Trapped (2002)
> >> + 7 Radiant (2004)
>
> >> ...specifically, is COMMITMENT HOUR really part of this series?
>
> >It's not part of a series, although it might be set in the same
> >universe. (I can't answer that because _Commitment Hour_ is the only
> >Gardner I've read.)
>
> >It's the one about a planet where kids change gender once a year,
> >throughout adolescence, and make a permanent choice for adulthood.
> >(These are humans -- there turns out to be tech involved.) I thought
> >it was pretty good.
>
> It's set in the same universe but it's not a Festina Ramos book.

Thanks, adjusted.

Rich Horton

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If memory serves one of the other books --TRAPPED -- is also not a
Festina Ramos novel but like it is set on Earth under the rule of the
Spark Lords. (I.e. same as COMMITMENT HOUR.)

Ahasuerus

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Jul 6, 2008, 9:22:51 PM7/6/08
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A little Googling suggests that your memory serves you well :-) Fixed,
thanks!

Ahasuerus

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Jul 6, 2008, 9:35:39 PM7/6/08
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On Jul 4, 3:28 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote: [snip]

> 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>
> It's always hard on morale when explorers die. This society
> has tried to limit that problem by using people with off-putting
> disfigurements as explorers because nobody misses the ugly. Oddly,
> this is not a particularly nice society.
>
> Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, one

> Lara Croft tie-in and one collection. I am unaware of anything at
> book length since 2005's GRAVITY WELLS. [snip]

Back in 1995, Gardner wrote _Fire and Dust_, a PlaneScape novel, and,
when TSR rejected it (see http://www.thinkage.ca/~jim/ramble.html#firedust
for details), posted the text on the Web. It's the first item over on
http://www.deathstar.org/~krlipka/ps/fiction/local.html.

Dan Schmidt

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Rich Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> writes:

|| 13 Lives of the Monster Dogs Kirsten Bakis
||
|| I missed this.
||
|| This appears to be their only book.
|

| I read it. It was published in the mainstream. Got a lot of praise,
| and I thought it OK but not great.

All of which I second.

I remember being annoyed that a lot of the praise was from mainstream
reviewers who had much lower standards for the sort of creativity
displayed here than SF readers.

The one other thing I remember is that part of the novel is an
opera libretto, and it's actually a very idiomatic libretto. She
was obviously familiar with the genre.

James Alan Gardner

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Jul 7, 2008, 1:40:09 PM7/7/08
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FYI, it was originally my intent to alternate between Festina's
adventures in space and various Spark Lord stories on Earth.
Eventually I'd bring the two threads together, connecting the
Explorers and the Sparks with all the secrets of what the League has
been up to. Maybe someday...

James Alan Gardner
--------------------------------------------
Web page: http://www.thinkage.ca/~jim
Novels: EXPENDABLE, COMMITMENT HOUR, VIGILANT, HUNTED, ASCENDING,
TRAPPED, RADIANT, LARA CROFT: TOMB RAIDER -- THE MAN OF BRONZE,
GRAVITY WELLS
--------------------------------------------

On Jul 5, 9:43 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> In article <g4mu3a$bs...@reader1.panix.com>,


> Andrew Plotkin  <erkyr...@eblong.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Here, William December Starr <wdst...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> In article <g4ltks$7s...@reader1.panix.com>,

> --http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicollhttp://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll(For all your "The problem with

d...@tao.merseine.nu

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On 2008-07-04, James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> This will be the final entry as I think anything less than a decade
> is insufficient time to consider a career.
>
> 7 The Merro Tree Katie Waitman
>
> I missed this.
>
> I think she has had just two novels to date, both in the
> 1990s.

I only saw it because the publisher (Del Rey?) was handing them out for
free at WorldCon. I liked it, but thought it was basically a YA novel.
I also own her other novel, which ISTR is about terrorism and
mountain-climbing in a gender-segregated world, but I could be all
wrong.

> 14 Iron Dawn Matthew Woodring Stover
>
> I missed this.
>
> I believe that Stover has at least a dozen books out, many
> of which are STAR WARS tie-in novels.

It's notable that the Hebrews are Bad Guys (either in this, or in
Jericho Moon, or both). His big book so far is _Heroes Die_, which I
would dearly love (or hate) to see become a movie. It's an
action-adventure fantasy with an SF framing story that becomes more and
more relevant as it goes on. Not to be taken seriously, but lots of fun.
The sequel is _The Blade of Tyshalle_ and I think he's writing a third.

-dsr-

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http://tao.merseine.nu/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference.

When freedom gets lots of exercise, it protects itself.

ronincats

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Jul 7, 2008, 4:02:45 PM7/7/08
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On Jul 4, 12:28 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> This will be the final entry as I think anything less than a decade
> is insufficient time to consider a career.
>
> Best First Novel

>
> 2 Expendable James Alan Gardner
>
> It's always hard on morale when explorers die. This society
> has tried to limit that problem by using people with off-putting
> disfigurements as explorers because nobody misses the ugly. Oddly,
> this is not a particularly nice society.
>
> Jim had seven books in the League of Peoples series, one
> Lara Croft tie-in and one collection. I am unaware of anything at
> book length since 2005's GRAVITY WELLS.
>
> 9 A Thousand Words for Stranger Julie E. Czerneda
>
> I don't think I read this.
>
> Czerneda appears to average about one novel per year.
>
These are the only two I have read from this year. I want to thank
you, James, for this series of posts--they have been very interesting
and a lot of fun as well!

Rhonda

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