[review] The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders

[James Nicoll]

The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders

https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
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[Garrett Wollman]

In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,

James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>
>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down

I'll admit that I found this book a much rougher slog (and I'm still
only a quarter of the way through) than any of his previously
published novels. Saunders may not be quite as elliptical as in the
Commonweal novels, but he still leaves a lot for the reader to puzzle
out in order to make sense of the action.

-GAWollman

--
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Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

[Bill Dugan]

On Tue, 1 May 2018 14:58:33 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org
(Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>
>>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>
>I'll admit that I found this book a much rougher slog (and I'm still
>only a quarter of the way through) than any of his previously
>published novels. Saunders may not be quite as elliptical as in the
>Commonweal novels, but he still leaves a lot for the reader to puzzle
>out in order to make sense of the action.

I had to read the Commonweal books more than once to come close to
understanding what was going on, and it looks like the same will be
true of this one.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>
>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down

Gosh! Graydon condescended to publish with Amazon? That's a
real switch.

Perhaps he figured out how to make them pay him in Canadian
dollars?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

[Lynn McGuire]

On 5/1/2018 2:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>
>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>
> Gosh! Graydon condescended to publish with Amazon? That's a
> real switch.
>
> Perhaps he figured out how to make them pay him in Canadian
> dollars?

Amazon is now at least 10% (SWAG = scientific wild assed guess) of the
book sales market. It may be 50% for all I know. To ignore Amazon is
the proverbial "cut your nose off to spite your face".

And I would think that Amazon would pay you in your native currency.
However, who would want Canadian Dollars at the moment ?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=canadian+dollar+exchange+rate&t=ffnt&ia=currency

Lynn

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <pcahd2$pa6$1...@dont-email.me>,

That may be. But Graydon has repeatedly posted that because he's
in Canada, it would be damnear impossible for him actually get
hold of any monies a book of his earned on Amazon.

Unless, as I said, he's figured out a way of making them.

[Lynn McGuire]

https://www.amazon.ca/

Lynn

[Robert Carnegie]

There's an amazon.de but they don't /live/ there. I think.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <09abe50c-1152-4038...@googlegroups.com>,

To some extent amazon.ca, amazon.co.uk, amazon.fr etc are seperately
domiciled. So, for instance, you cannot (without lying) download a kindle
book form amazon.ca to your kindle registered in the US. This bit me when
I wanted Landy's "Demon Road" books and they were never sold on the US market.
--
------
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What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Moriarty]

One of the few times I pirated an e-book was when I tried to buy the latest Harry Dresden from amazon.com, where it was listed at around AU$12, having just been released. Instead, the site directed me to amazon.com.au where it tried to charge me AU$18. "Fuck you" I thought and downloaded a copy via torrent. I later bought it when prices hit parity.

-Moriarty

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 5/1/2018 1:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 2:29 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>> The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>>
>>> https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>>
>> Gosh!  Graydon condescended to publish with Amazon?  That's a
>> real switch.
>>
>> Perhaps he figured out how to make them pay him in Canadian
>> dollars?
>
> Amazon is now at least 10% (SWAG = scientific wild assed guess) of the
> book sales market.  It may be 50% for all I know.  To ignore Amazon is
> the proverbial "cut your nose off to spite your face".
>
> And I would think that Amazon would pay you in your native currency.
> However, who would want Canadian Dollars at the moment ?
>

Canucks who figure they can sit on them until Trumpet finishes trashing
the US economy?


--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.

[Michael R N Dolbear]

"Lynn McGuire" wrote

> To ignore Amazon is
the proverbial "cut your nose off to spite your face".

> And I would think that Amazon would pay you in your native currency.
However, who would want Canadian Dollars at the moment ?

I think Amazon pay you in the 'home' currency of each Kindle store where a
copy was sold.

Conversion is for your bank.

Graydon had some problem connected with his (Canadian) Credit Union?


--
Mike D

[Chris Buckley]

As I recall, he had several problems with Amazon, but one of the
problems he objected to on principle was that they would only pay him
anything from a Kindle store if that particular country's Kindle store
sold above some threshold, and he didn't anticipate selling enough
copies in any market other than the big ones. That strikes me as
something Amazon could and would have changed by now.

Chris

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

I just received payments of 29 cents and 36 cents for Amazon Kindle
sales in countries other than US, UK, or Canada, so yes, I think
they've changed it.




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My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml

[Juho Julkunen]

In article <nboiedh2fuepco5f8...@reader80.eternal-
september.org>, misencha...@gmail.com says...

>
> On 2 May 2018 04:50:30 GMT, Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2018-05-01, Michael R N Dolbear <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> "Lynn McGuire" wrote
> >>
> >>> To ignore Amazon is
> >> the proverbial "cut your nose off to spite your face".
> >>
> >>> And I would think that Amazon would pay you in your native currency.
> >> However, who would want Canadian Dollars at the moment ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I think Amazon pay you in the 'home' currency of each Kindle store where a
> >> copy was sold.
> >>
> >> Conversion is for your bank.
> >>
> >> Graydon had some problem connected with his (Canadian) Credit Union?
> >
> >As I recall, he had several problems with Amazon, but one of the
> >problems he objected to on principle was that they would only pay him
> >anything from a Kindle store if that particular country's Kindle store
> >sold above some threshold, and he didn't anticipate selling enough
> >copies in any market other than the big ones. That strikes me as
> >something Amazon could and would have changed by now.
>
> I just received payments of 29 cents and 36 cents for Amazon Kindle
> sales in countries other than US, UK, or Canada, so yes, I think
> they've changed it.

So the treshold is a quarter now?

--
Juho Julkunen

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

I don't think that's it, exactly. I don't think there's any amount
they'll hold over anymore.

Amazon US has a minimum Kindle price (excluding freebies) of 99 cents,
and a minimum royalty of 35%. Even allowing for different rules in
different countries, I don't think it's POSSIBLE to earn less than
about 29 cents on a single book sold.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <nboiedh2fuepco5f8...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,

Lawrence Watt-Evans <misencha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2 May 2018 04:50:30 GMT, Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-05-01, Michael R N Dolbear <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Lynn McGuire" wrote
>>>
>>>> To ignore Amazon is
>>> the proverbial "cut your nose off to spite your face".
>>>
>>>> And I would think that Amazon would pay you in your native currency.
>>> However, who would want Canadian Dollars at the moment ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Amazon pay you in the 'home' currency of each Kindle store where a
>>> copy was sold.
>>>
>>> Conversion is for your bank.
>>>
>>> Graydon had some problem connected with his (Canadian) Credit Union?
>>
>>As I recall, he had several problems with Amazon, but one of the
>>problems he objected to on principle was that they would only pay him
>>anything from a Kindle store if that particular country's Kindle store
>>sold above some threshold, and he didn't anticipate selling enough
>>copies in any market other than the big ones. That strikes me as
>>something Amazon could and would have changed by now.
>
>I just received payments of 29 cents and 36 cents for Amazon Kindle
>sales in countries other than US, UK, or Canada, so yes, I think
>they've changed it.
>

Don't spend it all in one place!

[Lynn McGuire]

I'm trying to think of any place that he could spend $0.55 at and get
something.

Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather used to
give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike over to the
Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90. The remaining dime
was for anything I wanted which was just about anything there.

Lynn

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me>,

The copy of _Farmer In The Sky_ I bought sometime in the 70s was the
last new $0.50 book I ever saw. (I suspect it had been on the shelves a few
years too).

[James Nicoll]

In article <fkuo0l...@mid.individual.net>,

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>
>The copy of _Farmer In The Sky_ I bought sometime in the 70s was the
>last new $0.50 book I ever saw. (I suspect it had been on the shelves a few
>years too).

Huh. Dell flogged it at half a buck as late as 1972.

[James Nicoll]

In article <pcda22$oe0$1...@panix1.panix.com>,

James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <fkuo0l...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>
>>The copy of _Farmer In The Sky_ I bought sometime in the 70s was the
>>last new $0.50 book I ever saw. (I suspect it had been on the shelves a few
>>years too).
>
>Huh. Dell flogged it at half a buck as late as 1972.

I am sure someone explained how it was the rights to the RAH juvies didn't go as a
set but I've since forgotten.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <pcda22$oe0$1...@panix1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

>In article <fkuo0l...@mid.individual.net>,
>Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>
>>The copy of _Farmer In The Sky_ I bought sometime in the 70s was the
>>last new $0.50 book I ever saw. (I suspect it had been on the shelves a few
>>years too).
>
>Huh. Dell flogged it at half a buck as late as 1972.
>

Yep, it was Dell. I would have been 11 in 72, I'm guessing I'm more likely
to have bought it when I was 12 or 13.

[Robert Carnegie]

I think I did hear lately that children are still
being used in drug dealing!

[Lynn McGuire]

Hey, I was 10. Shouldn't 10 year olds be allowed to buy a carton of
Camels ? Of course, that would be about $50 nowadays.

I think it was really to get me out of the house and burn off some
energy. At three packs a day though, he would go through two cartons of
cigarettes a week.

Lynn

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me:

> Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather
> used to give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike
> over to the Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.
> The remaining dime was for anything I wanted which was just
> about anything there.
>

Indeed. These days, the grandfather would be arrested and put in
prison for sending a child to buy cigarettes, and the child would be
sent to a reeducation camp for not reporting grandpa to the
authorities..

You know I'm only half kidding.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather used to
>give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike over to the
>Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.

And they'd sell them to you???

Anybody recall when the ukase about selling tobacco to minors
went in? I know it was already in when I was nineteen. (No, I
never smoked, but a friend of mine who wasn't eighteen yet
complained about it.)

[Lynn McGuire]

On 5/2/2018 4:54 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather used to
>> give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike over to the
>> Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.
>
> And they'd sell them to you???
>
> Anybody recall when the ukase about selling tobacco to minors
> went in? I know it was already in when I was nineteen. (No, I
> never smoked, but a friend of mine who wasn't eighteen yet
> complained about it.)

I'm sure that the only thing that they would not sell a 10 year old in
Texas in 1970 was beer or wine.

Lynn

[Lynn McGuire]

On 5/2/2018 5:10 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather
>> used to give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike
>> over to the Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.
>> The remaining dime was for anything I wanted which was just
>> about anything there.
>>
> Indeed. These days, the grandfather would be arrested and put in
> prison for sending a child to buy cigarettes, and the child would be
> sent to a reeducation camp for not reporting grandpa to the
> authorities..
>
> You know I'm only half kidding.

I was in our local reeducation camp a few years as a favor to a friend
in our church prison ministry. About half (100+) of the men were
sitting in a large room watching "Days of Our Lives".

Lynn

[Lynn McGuire]

Shoot, the Pik-n-Pak afternoon clerk was 15 or 16. He was my
grandparents next door neighbor and a major jerk.

Lynn

[Michael R N Dolbear]

"Lynn McGuire" wrote

> I'm trying to think of any place that he could spend $0.55 at and get
something.

> Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather used to
give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so.

Canned tomatoes in Aldi?

In UK a can of mushy peas is 16p, say $0.22

No half pints of milk any more.


--
Mike D

[Robert Carnegie]

I missed it was carton at a time! I should have
figured from the price.

How it goes nowadays:
<https://notalwaysright.com/no-id-no-idea-part-35/109413/>
Poor grandpa. :-)

I'm in Britain and currently tobacco is taxed to the
point where it just almost starts to be acceptable in
society to buy bootleg - there are periodic outbreaks
of that. But in the early 1970s, I suppose that level
of tax would have led to a General Strike.

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:p84FI...@kithrup.com:

> In article <pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather
>>used to give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike
>>over to the Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.
>
> And they'd sell them to you???

In 1970, I could have (at age nine) probably gone to the local
hardware store and bought *dynamite* if I told them it was for my
parents.

>
> Anybody recall when the ukase about selling tobacco to minors
> went in? I know it was already in when I was nineteen. (No, I
> never smoked, but a friend of mine who wasn't eighteen yet
> complained about it.)
>

I suspect it was quite regional.

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:pcdeb1$smg$3...@dont-email.me:

Get people bored enough, and they're watch the black filler between
the commercials, hoping for the color to change.

[Dimensional Traveler]

But they'd sell him (or her) the gun to hold the store up with to get
the beer and wine! :)

[Dimensional Traveler]

That's not re-education. That's just pointless torture.

[Default User]

Lynn McGuire wrote:

> I'm trying to think of any place that he could spend $0.55 at and get
> something.

I purchased a navel orange at the supermarket recently, at 2/$1. So
with tax somewhat under $0.55.



Brian

[Kevrob]

I saw small juiceboxes of cranberry juice cocktail at the local
Big Lots! store yesterday for a quarter apiece. I could get 2
and tip the cashier!

Kevin R

[grayd...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 3:45:08 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <pc9rjc$hnk$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> >The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
> >
> >https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>
> Gosh! Graydon condescended to publish with Amazon? That's a
> real switch.
>
> Perhaps he figured out how to make them pay him in Canadian
> dollars?

I didn't, but Draft2Digital did. So I haven't done anything but clicked a ticky box in the Draft2Digital list of publication targets, rather as an experiment.

-- Graydon

[David DeLaney]

On 2018-05-01, Garrett Wollman <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote:
> James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>
>>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>

> I'll admit that I found this book a much rougher slog (and I'm still
> only a quarter of the way through) than any of his previously
> published novels. Saunders may not be quite as elliptical as in the
> Commonweal novels, but he still leaves a lot for the reader to puzzle
> out in order to make sense of the action.

I believe (and, apparently, so does James) that if you press on you'll end
up RICHLY rewarded.

Dave, are you to the part where Tyl does the Thing with the smokestack filled
with unhappy undead lifesuckers yet? It's a CMOA, and the Awesome level
only increases from there
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

[David DeLaney]

On 2018-05-01, Bill Dugan <wkd...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>>
>>>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>>
>>I'll admit that I found this book a much rougher slog (and I'm still
>>only a quarter of the way through) than any of his previously
>>published novels. Saunders may not be quite as elliptical as in the
>>Commonweal novels, but he still leaves a lot for the reader to puzzle
>>out in order to make sense of the action.
>

> I had to read the Commonweal books more than once to come close to
> understanding what was going on, and it looks like the same will be
> true of this one.

Did you think it adequately rewarded the rereading?

Dave, at least for Book 2, Edgar doesn't know what's going on to start with
-either-, and he LIVES there. Well, not _there_...

[Juho Julkunen]

In article <aakjed568eigco0ve...@reader80.eternal-

september.org>, misencha...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 16:24:59 +0300, Juho Julkunen
> <giao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <nboiedh2fuepco5f8...@reader80.eternal-
> >september.org>, misencha...@gmail.com says...

> >> I just received payments of 29 cents and 36 cents for Amazon Kindle
> >> sales in countries other than US, UK, or Canada, so yes, I think
> >> they've changed it.
> >
> >So the treshold is a quarter now?
>
> I don't think that's it, exactly. I don't think there's any amount
> they'll hold over anymore.

It was an attempt at humor, thought admittedly feeble. But thank you
for an informative reply.

--
Juho Julkunen

[Bill Dugan]

On Thu, 03 May 2018 06:36:56 -0500, David DeLaney
<davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 2018-05-01, Bill Dugan <wkd...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>The Human Dress by Graydon Saunders
>>>>
>>>>https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/come-to-burn-your-kingdom-down
>>>
>>>I'll admit that I found this book a much rougher slog (and I'm still
>>>only a quarter of the way through) than any of his previously
>>>published novels. Saunders may not be quite as elliptical as in the
>>>Commonweal novels, but he still leaves a lot for the reader to puzzle
>>>out in order to make sense of the action.
>>
>> I had to read the Commonweal books more than once to come close to
>> understanding what was going on, and it looks like the same will be
>> true of this one.
>
>Did you think it adequately rewarded the rereading?

Yes. Looking forward to the next one(s).

[Joy Beeson]

On Wed, 2 May 2018 21:54:16 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

> In article <pcd8fp$o9j$3...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Things have really changed since I was a kid. My grandfather used to
> >give me $2.00 back in 1970 or so. I would ride my bike over to the
> >Pik-n-Pak and get him a carton of Camels for $1.90.
>
> And they'd sell them to you???
>
> Anybody recall when the ukase about selling tobacco to minors
> went in? I know it was already in when I was nineteen. (No, I
> never smoked, but a friend of mine who wasn't eighteen yet
> complained about it.)

In the fifties I saw a situation comedy in which a father confronted a
clerk who had sold tobacco to his son; the clerk said "It's all right;
he was buying it for his mother." Turned out that the mother was
making bug poison.

Mom once sent me to the drug store once to buy cough syrup. She
looked at the bottle the pharmacist recommended and exclaimed "he sold
codeine to a minor!" and was quite upset. I don't recall whether I
had to sign for it.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ju57fdpaakqdrb4vj...@4ax.com>,

As far as I know, anyone can buy vanilla extract, which is 70 proof.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <flhq0h...@mid.individual.net>,

Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:

Yes, but there's a difference between alcohol plus vanilla, and
alcohol plus codeine.

And while I don't drink ethanol myself, I have the feeling that a
person would have to collect a lot of vanilla to get squiffed.
The bottles I'm familiar contain an ounce.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <p8Hv2...@kithrup.com>,

I have a 2oz bottle in my spice rack, and I know there are bigger
bottles. 2oz is more than a "shot" and Brandy is only 80 proof..

I doubt straight-up Vanilla Extract is very palatable, but I would think
that would be secondary for teens..

[Magewolf]

I think any attempt to drink 2oz's of Vanilla Extract would be followed
by throwing up everything in your stomach, that stuff is strong.

[Jack Bohn]

So, a chaser for a spoonful of cinnamon, then?

--
-Jack

[Scott Lurndal]

Joy Beeson <jbe...@invalid.net.invalid> writes:
>On Wed, 2 May 2018 21:54:16 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)

>

>Mom once sent me to the drug store once to buy cough syrup. She
>looked at the bottle the pharmacist recommended and exclaimed "he sold
>codeine to a minor!" and was quite upset. I don't recall whether I
>had to sign for it.

Brings to mind _Have Spacesuit, Will Travel_ where the protag stocks
his spacesuit with what would today be controlled substances, including
codeine.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Now that d*mn Mary Poppins song is earworming me.

[William Hyde]

Owing to a loophole in the liquor laws, selling vanilla extract to those not legally allowed to drink was a common if disreputable business here in Ontario circa 1900.

It's mentioned in Robertson Davies' "Fifth Business", for example. Which, if you have not read it, is a book I think you might really like. Not SF, but on the fringes.

William Hyde

[Kevrob]

On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 2:27:52 PM UTC-4, William Hyde wrote:

> Owing to a loophole in the liquor laws, selling vanilla extract to those not legally allowed to drink was a common if disreputable business here in Ontario circa 1900.
>
> It's mentioned in Robertson Davies' "Fifth Business", for example. Which, if you have not read it, is a book I think you might really like. Not SF, but on the fringes.
>

See also:

https://www.bonappetit.com/entertaining-style/trends-news/article/dont-buy-vanilla-extract-liquor-store

If I wanted to get plowed on that, I'd make a milk shake and use
the extract as a flavoring. Kinda "white russian"-ish, I'd think,
or a rum-less dulce de leche?

Too much trouble. I can buy bheer.

Kevin R

[Jack Bohn]

"A spoonful of cinnamon makes your prev'ous meal come up
Your prev'ous meal come up
Your prev'ous meal come up."

I've been trying for something better, but I hope that's good enough to stick.

--
-Jack

[Kevrob]

Fight earworms with earworms!

CTC commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHc1iZwG70

Or Tommy Roe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gepd8pdZeLI

Or Neil Young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdtUDaBfRA

Kevin R

[Scott Lurndal]

It's a small world, after all.