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David DeLaney
Jul 23, 2019, 8:22:21 AM7/23/19
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In other news ... we've got a couple upcoming science experiments that sound
like they're straight out of SF. Both having to do with trying to figure out
why the half-life of the humble neutron has around a ten SECOND difference,
depending on where the neutrons you're measuring it with are and what they're
doing.
[Yes, this is a BIG RED FLAG that something is not going according to the
Standard Model, and I honestly don't know why nobody had picked up on this
discrepancy before.]
They're both going to be checking whether the neutron, as a particle with no
E&M charge, no color charge, and no weak 'charge', occasionally "oscillates"
into a similar-mass neutral particle. Like neutrino oscillations, but instead
of oscillating between the three generations electron/muon/tauon, this would be
checking if it oscillates into a mirror-reflection version that we can't
detect (and back).
One experiment is going to look at neutrons collected in a bottle, checking
magnetic fields; the other is going to fire a beam of neutrons at a wall that
SHOULD completely absorb it, stopping it dead... and see if there's any trace
of the beam on the other side.
Both really simple experiments, and if my attention had been gently shoved that
way 30 years ago, I might have had a dissertation that got _referenced_ once in
a while. hmf.
If there's a non-null result, this is gonna be HUGE. ... and if the result is
null, folks are going to need to think up and test even stranger explanations.
Dave, fun fun fun until Daddy took grand unification awaaaay!
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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like they're straight out of SF. Both having to do with trying to figure out
why the half-life of the humble neutron has around a ten SECOND difference,
depending on where the neutrons you're measuring it with are and what they're
doing.
[Yes, this is a BIG RED FLAG that something is not going according to the
Standard Model, and I honestly don't know why nobody had picked up on this
discrepancy before.]
They're both going to be checking whether the neutron, as a particle with no
E&M charge, no color charge, and no weak 'charge', occasionally "oscillates"
into a similar-mass neutral particle. Like neutrino oscillations, but instead
of oscillating between the three generations electron/muon/tauon, this would be
checking if it oscillates into a mirror-reflection version that we can't
detect (and back).
One experiment is going to look at neutrons collected in a bottle, checking
magnetic fields; the other is going to fire a beam of neutrons at a wall that
SHOULD completely absorb it, stopping it dead... and see if there's any trace
of the beam on the other side.
Both really simple experiments, and if my attention had been gently shoved that
way 30 years ago, I might have had a dissertation that got _referenced_ once in
a while. hmf.
If there's a non-null result, this is gonna be HUGE. ... and if the result is
null, folks are going to need to think up and test even stranger explanations.
Dave, fun fun fun until Daddy took grand unification awaaaay!
--
\/David DeLaney posting thru EarthLink - "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Lynn McGuire
Jul 23, 2019, 12:49:34 PM7/23/19
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book. Get ready to kiss off 1/10th of the Earth. But, we will get out
FTL drive out of the experiment.
Just kidding ...
Lynn
Robert Carnegie
Jul 23, 2019, 3:42:55 PM7/23/19
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kids" experiments.
Gene Wirchenko
Jul 23, 2019, 6:04:43 PM7/23/19
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:22:13 -0500, David DeLaney
<davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[snip]
>Dave, fun fun fun until Daddy took grand unification awaaaay!
It does not scan.
Shouldn't it be fun until a Grand Unification Theory is settled?
Or ...
Sincerely,
Gene "Fun fun fun until Daddy took the lab away!" Wirchenko
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does not scan either. (GUT is tough!)
<davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[snip]
>Dave, fun fun fun until Daddy took grand unification awaaaay!
Shouldn't it be fun until a Grand Unification Theory is settled?
Or ...
Sincerely,
Gene "Fun fun fun until Daddy took the lab away!" Wirchenko
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does not scan either. (GUT is tough!)
Moriarty
Jul 23, 2019, 6:09:38 PM7/23/19
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"Both classes of experiments find neutrons can last for only about 15 minutes outside of atoms. But bottle experiments measure an average of 879.6 seconds plus or minus 0.6 second, according to the Particle Data Group, an international statistics-keeping collaboration. Beam experiments get a value of 888.0 seconds plus or minus 2.0 seconds."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/missing-neutrons-may-lead-a-secret-life-as-dark-matter/
-Moriarty
alie...@gmail.com
Jul 24, 2019, 6:10:18 AM7/24/19
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Mark L. Fergerson
alie...@gmail.com
Jul 24, 2019, 6:32:40 AM7/24/19
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On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 5:22:21 AM UTC-7, David DeLaney wrote:
> In other news ... we've got a couple upcoming science experiments that sound
> like they're straight out of SF. Both having to do with trying to figure out
> why the half-life of the humble neutron has around a ten SECOND difference,
> depending on where the neutrons you're measuring it with are and what they're
> doing.
>
> [Yes, this is a BIG RED FLAG that something is not going according to the
> Standard Model, and I honestly don't know why nobody had picked up on this
> discrepancy before.]
>
> They're both going to be checking whether the neutron, as a particle with no
> E&M charge, no color charge, and no weak 'charge', occasionally "oscillates"
> into a similar-mass neutral particle. Like neutrino oscillations, but instead
> of oscillating between the three generations electron/muon/tauon, this would
> be checking if it oscillates into a mirror-reflection version that we can't
> detect (and back).
Reminds me of the "rubber physics" in James P. Hogan's "Genesis Machine".
> In other news ... we've got a couple upcoming science experiments that sound
> like they're straight out of SF. Both having to do with trying to figure out
> why the half-life of the humble neutron has around a ten SECOND difference,
> depending on where the neutrons you're measuring it with are and what they're
> doing.
>
> [Yes, this is a BIG RED FLAG that something is not going according to the
> Standard Model, and I honestly don't know why nobody had picked up on this
> discrepancy before.]
>
> They're both going to be checking whether the neutron, as a particle with no
> E&M charge, no color charge, and no weak 'charge', occasionally "oscillates"
> into a similar-mass neutral particle. Like neutrino oscillations, but instead
> of oscillating between the three generations electron/muon/tauon, this would
> be checking if it oscillates into a mirror-reflection version that we can't
> detect (and back).
The idea there was that particles are six-dimensional thingies that can rotate through dimensions we can't see, thus appearing and disappearing cyclically.
> One experiment is going to look at neutrons collected in a bottle, checking
> magnetic fields; the other is going to fire a beam of neutrons at a wall that
> SHOULD completely absorb it, stopping it dead... and see if there's any trace
> of the beam on the other side.
Or as in, if they're moving they live a little longer but not *quite* like you'd expect from SR?
> Both really simple experiments, and if my attention had been gently shoved
> that way 30 years ago, I might have had a dissertation that got _referenced_
> once in a while. hmf.
https://physicsworld.com/a/neutrons-reveal-quantum-effects-of-gravity/
Speaking of neutrons and gravity:
https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevD.97.062002
(takeaway: neutrons are weird)
> If there's a non-null result, this is gonna be HUGE. ... and if the result is
> null, folks are going to need to think up and test even stranger explanations.
The real-world guy's physics doesn't suggest anything nearly as fun as Hogan's did though.
> Dave, fun fun fun until Daddy took grand unification awaaaay!
A The Higgs boson
B String Theory
C The Invention Of The Libertarian Party
Mark L. Fergerson
mcdow...@sky.com
Jul 27, 2019, 7:38:55 AM7/27/19
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Robert Carnegie
Jul 27, 2019, 12:55:16 PM7/27/19
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/more/ stuff blow up. /Talking/ about it can make
more stuff blow u - oops, maybe I
Lynn McGuire
Jul 29, 2019, 3:29:29 PM7/29/19
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Lynn
Kevrob
Jul 29, 2019, 5:11:52 PM7/29/19
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On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 3:29:29 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire wrote:
<snip>
> It was Switzerland IIRC ...
This one grabbed my attention:
[quote]
SpaceX launch sends 3D bioprinter, supplies to space station
By The Associated Press
July 25, 2019
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) — A space capsule carrying a 3D printer to make
human tissue and about 5,000 pounds of other experiments and supplies is on its
way to the International Space Station after a thunderous SpaceX launch.
The private company’s Falcon 9 rocket dodged threatening clouds in its
Thursday evening lift-off sending a Dragon capsule on its third trip to the
orbiting outpost. The ship will dock with the station early Saturday.
Dragon is carrying science experiments, several of which concentrate on
cellular science, as well as normal supplies.
Officials at biotech companies nScrypt and Techshot Inc say the mini-
refrigerator-sized 3D printer will be controlled by scientists on the
ground and print nerve cells, muscle cells and proteins. The experiment
uses the near lack of gravity to help the cells hold their shape.
[/quote] - https://www.apnews.com/0ef4bd3a178c4bcbb5556d8bdc242889
So, in orbit, their going to print some cells, and then the
COSMIC RAYS or some other anomaly wll make them grow out of control
and it'll be "THE BACTERIA FROM BEYOND!"
From American International, not doubt.
A good Troy McClure vehicle.
If we survive that we'll get a sequel in 2020:
"BACTERIA FROM BEYOND 2: HOTTER THAN THE SUN!"
https://www.apnews.com/4223a627d92247dda4a30760e48ca0a0
--
Kevin R
<snip>
> It was Switzerland IIRC ...
[quote]
SpaceX launch sends 3D bioprinter, supplies to space station
By The Associated Press
July 25, 2019
CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AP) — A space capsule carrying a 3D printer to make
human tissue and about 5,000 pounds of other experiments and supplies is on its
way to the International Space Station after a thunderous SpaceX launch.
The private company’s Falcon 9 rocket dodged threatening clouds in its
Thursday evening lift-off sending a Dragon capsule on its third trip to the
orbiting outpost. The ship will dock with the station early Saturday.
Dragon is carrying science experiments, several of which concentrate on
cellular science, as well as normal supplies.
Officials at biotech companies nScrypt and Techshot Inc say the mini-
refrigerator-sized 3D printer will be controlled by scientists on the
ground and print nerve cells, muscle cells and proteins. The experiment
uses the near lack of gravity to help the cells hold their shape.
[/quote] - https://www.apnews.com/0ef4bd3a178c4bcbb5556d8bdc242889
So, in orbit, their going to print some cells, and then the
COSMIC RAYS or some other anomaly wll make them grow out of control
and it'll be "THE BACTERIA FROM BEYOND!"
From American International, not doubt.
A good Troy McClure vehicle.
If we survive that we'll get a sequel in 2020:
"BACTERIA FROM BEYOND 2: HOTTER THAN THE SUN!"
https://www.apnews.com/4223a627d92247dda4a30760e48ca0a0
--
Kevin R
Robert Carnegie
Jul 29, 2019, 5:21:37 PM7/29/19
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...jams.
<https://reddwarf.fandom.com/wiki/Edwin_Herring>
"Observe the unpleasant result!"
Lynn McGuire
Jul 29, 2019, 7:37:34 PM7/29/19
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