Hugo Nominations Announced
Evelyn C. Leeper
Friday 18 April 2003
Hugo Awards Nominations
Torcon 3, the World Science Fiction Convention to be held August
28-September 1, 2003, in Toronto, has announced nominations for this
year's Hugo Awards and for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer.
NOVEL
Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
NOVELLA
"Breathmoss", Ian R. MacLeod (Asimov's May 2002)
"Bronte's Egg", Richard Chwedyk (F&SF Aug 2002)
Coraline, Neil Gaiman (HarperCollins)
"In Spirit", Pat Forde (Analog Sep 2002)
"The Political Officer", Charles Coleman Finlay (F&SF Apr 2002)
A Year in the Linear City, Paul Di Filippo (PS Publishing)
NOVELETTE
"Halo", Charles Stross (Asimov's Jun 2002)
"Madonna of the Maquiladora", Gregory Frost (Asimov's May 2002)
"Presence", Maureen F. McHugh (F&SF Mar 2002)
"Slow Life", Michael Swanwick (Analog Dec 2002)
"The Wild Girls", Ursula K. Le Guin (Asimov's Mar 2002)
SHORT STORY
"Creation", Jeffrey Ford (F&SF May 2002)
"Falling Onto Mars", Geoffrey A. Landis (Analog Jul/Aug 2002)
"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
"'Hello,' Said the Stick", Michael Swanwick (Analog Mar 2002)
"The Little Cat Laughed to See Such Sport", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's
Oct/Nov 2002)
RELATED BOOK
The Battle of the Sexes in Science Fiction, Justine Larbalestier
(Wesleyan University Press)
Better to Have Loved: The Life of Judith Merril, Judith Merril & Emily
Pohl-Weary (Between the Lines)
Bradbury: An Illustrated Life, Jerry Weist (Morrow)
Dragonhenge, Bob Eggleton & John Grant (Paper Tiger)
Spectrum 9: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art, Cathy Fenner & Arnie
Fenner, eds. (Underwood Books)
DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, SHORT FORM
Angel, "Waiting in the Wings" (20th Century Fox Television/Mutant Enemy
Inc.; Directed by Joss Whedon; Teleplay by Joss Whedon)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Conversations With Dead People" (20th Century
Fox Television/Mutant Enemy Inc.; Directed by Nick Marck; Teleplay by
Jane Espenson & Drew Goddard)
Firefly, "Serenity" (20th Century Fox Television/Mutant Enemy Inc.;
Directed by Joss Whedon; Teleplay by Joss Whedon)
Star Trek: Enterprise, "Carbon Creek" (Paramount Television; Directed by
James Contner; Story by Rick Berman & Brannon Braga and Dan O’Shannon;
Teleplay by Chris Black)
Star Trek: Enterprise, "A Night in Sickbay" (Paramount Television;
Directed by David Straiton; Teleplay by Rick Berman & Brannon Braga)
DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by Chris
Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J. K. Rowling)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema; Directed by
Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens, Stephen
Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R. Tolkien)
Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed by Steven
Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on the story
by Philip K. Dick)
Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
and Stan Lee)
Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
PROFESSIONAL EDITOR
Ellen Datlow
Gardner Dozois
David G. Hartwell
Stanley Schmidt
Gordon Van Gelder
PROFESSIONAL ARTIST
Jim Burns
David A. Cherry
Bob Eggleton
Frank Kelly Freas
Donato Giancola
SEMIPROZINE
Ansible, Dave Langford, ed.
Interzone, David Pringle, ed.
Locus, Charles N. Brown, Jennifer A. Hall & Kirsten Gong-Wong, eds.
The New York Review of Science Fiction, Kathryn Cramer, David G.
Hartwell & Kevin Maroney, eds.
Speculations, Kent Brewster, ed.
FANZINE
Challenger, Guy H. Lillian III
Emerald City, Cheryl Morgan
File 770, Mike Glyer
Mimosa, Rich & Nicki Lynch
Plokta, Alison Scott, Steve Davies & Mike Scott
FAN WRITER
Bob Devney
John L. Flynn
Mike Glyer
Dave Langford
Steven H Silver
FAN ARTIST
Brad Foster
Teddy Harvia
Sue Mason
Steve Stiles
Frank Wu
John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer [Not a Hugo]
Charles Coleman Finlay
David D. Levine
Karin Lowachee
Wen Spencer
Ken Wharton
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper
"What appears to be coming at you is coming from you."
--Jack Flanders
A.C.
news:3EA04C87...@optonline.net...
> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
Hmm, everyone seemed convinced this hadn't made the short list.
Louann Miller
<ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
(snip)
>RELATED BOOK
>Better to Have Loved: The Life of Judith Merril, Judith Merril & Emily
>Pohl-Weary (Between the Lines)
That is a very unfortunate hyphenated last name.
Louann
Sean O'Hara
--
Sean O'Hara
Captain Murphy: It's not a toy. It makes real cupcakes, with a
40 watt bulb, and there's icing packets. But the secret ingredient
is love. Damn it. --Sealab 2021
Sean O'Hara
declared...
> [From the Locus site]
>
> Friday 18 April 2003
>
> Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> Torcon 3, the World Science Fiction Convention to be held August
> 28-September 1, 2003, in Toronto, has announced nominations for this
> year's Hugo Awards and for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer.
>
> NOVEL
> Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
> Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
> The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
> The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
>
the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
I have precisely zero desire to read at all. Was 2002 really that
bad a year for SF?
David Bilek
Hugo != Nebula.
That it made the final Hugo ballot is also a travesty and a discredit
to the voters.
-David
Andrea Leistra
Sean O'Hara <darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Evelyn C. Leeper
>declared...
>> [From the Locus site]
>> Hugo Awards Nominations
>> NOVEL
>> Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
>> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
>> Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
>> The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
>> The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
>>
>Ugh. Not only haven't I read a single book on this list, The Scar's
>the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
>I have precisely zero desire to read at all. Was 2002 really that
>bad a year for SF?
I liked all of these that I read (_Bones of the Earth_, _The Scar_, and
_The Years of Rice and Salt_), though _Bones of the Earth_ is maybe a
little slight. Out of those, _The Scar_ would be my pick.
_Years of Rice and Salt_ is really very different from anything else
Robinson's written, and if you're avoiding him because of the politics or
the windmills in the RGB Mars books, I'd suggest you try it. It's very
good.
I do plan to pick up the Brin eventually; from everything I've read here,
it seems to be a return to form after the most recent Uplift novel (I
actually liked _Brightness Reef_ and _Heaven's Reach_ a lot, and thought
that only the third of the trilogy was a disappointment). I have no idea
how the Sawyer, which sounds wretched, made the list.
--
Andrea Leistra
David Bilek
>declared...
>> [From the Locus site]
>>
>> Friday 18 April 2003
>>
>> Hugo Awards Nominations
>>
>> Torcon 3, the World Science Fiction Convention to be held August
>> 28-September 1, 2003, in Toronto, has announced nominations for this
>> year's Hugo Awards and for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer.
>>
>> NOVEL
>> Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
>> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
>> Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
>> The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
>> The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
>>
>Ugh. Not only haven't I read a single book on this list, The Scar's
>the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
>I have precisely zero desire to read at all. Was 2002 really that
>bad a year for SF?
No, it was a pretty decent year.
_The Scar_ and _Bones of the Earth_ were both excellent, with _The
Scar_ standing out in my eyes. The Robinson was pretty good. I'm
reading _Kiln People_ very soon.
_Hominids_ was shit. Sorry to put it like that, but it's true.
-David
A.C.
message news:MPG.190a1db0f...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful A.C. declared...
> > "Evelyn C. Leeper" <ele...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > news:3EA04C87...@optonline.net...
> > > Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
> >
> > Hmm, everyone seemed convinced this hadn't made the short list.
> >
> For the Nebulas.
Oh.
Evelyn C. Leeper
>
> I do plan to pick up the Brin eventually; from everything I've read here,
> it seems to be a return to form after the most recent Uplift novel (I
> actually liked _Brightness Reef_ and _Heaven's Reach_ a lot, and thought
> that only the third of the trilogy was a disappointment). I have no idea
> how the Sawyer, which sounds wretched, made the list.
I haven't read it, but I will note that Sawyer is a Toronto author, and
the convention is in Toronto, giving him a home-team edge (more local
voters).
Of course, he's been nominated a lot of years the convention wasn't in
Toronto either....
how...@brazee.net
David Kennedy
> In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Evelyn C. Leeper
>> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
>> Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
>> The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
>>
> Ugh. Not only haven't I read a single book on this list, The Scar's
> the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
> I have precisely zero desire to read at all. Was 2002 really that
> bad a year for SF?
I don't think so, and while I've heard bad things about the
Sawyer I thought _Bones of the Earth_ was great, and although
the _Red Mars_ trilogy got filed under "bloody tedious and
not worth finishing" I thought _The Years of Rice and Salt_
was worth reading. There were a few issues with it, but
overall it's an interesting and enjoyable read.
--
David Kennedy
James J. Walton
Ah, good. Someone else who doesn't understand how this book got a Hugo
nomination.
David Bilek
>Andrea Leistra wrote:
>>
>> I do plan to pick up the Brin eventually; from everything I've read here,
>> it seems to be a return to form after the most recent Uplift novel (I
>> actually liked _Brightness Reef_ and _Heaven's Reach_ a lot, and thought
>> that only the third of the trilogy was a disappointment). I have no idea
>> how the Sawyer, which sounds wretched, made the list.
>
>I haven't read it, but I will note that Sawyer is a Toronto author, and
>the convention is in Toronto, giving him a home-team edge (more local
>voters).
>
>Of course, he's been nominated a lot of years the convention wasn't in
>Toronto either....
I really hope ballot stuffing by local fans doesn't give him the win.
_Hominids_ would replace _They'd Rather Be Right_ as the worst novel
ever to win a Hugo.
It is truly wretched.
-David
James J. Walton
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jon Meltzer wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
> <ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> >SHORT STORY
> >"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>
> >FAN WRITER
> >John L. Flynn
>
> Who??
>
I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
writing?"
Konrad Gaertner
I don't know; I've felt that way myself at times...
--KG
Konrad Gaertner
>
> [From the Locus site]
>
> Friday 18 April 2003
>
> Hugo Awards Nominations
[snip]
Wow, if it weren't for "The Two Towers", this would be a complete
miss for me. The only thing that I've even considered looking at
is Gaiman's _Coraline_.
> John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer [Not a Hugo]
>
> Charles Coleman Finlay
> David D. Levine
> Karin Lowachee
> Wen Spencer
> Ken Wharton
Why isn't Jasper Fforde on this list?
--KG
Sean O'Hara
declared...
> In article <MPG.190a1fd7e...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Sean O'Hara <darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Evelyn C. Leeper
> >declared...
> >> [From the Locus site]
>
> >> Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> >> NOVEL
> >> Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
> >> Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
> >> Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
> >> The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
> >> The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
> >>
> >Ugh. Not only haven't I read a single book on this list, The Scar's
> >the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
> >I have precisely zero desire to read at all. Was 2002 really that
> >bad a year for SF?
>
> I liked all of these that I read (_Bones of the Earth_, _The Scar_, and
> _The Years of Rice and Salt_), though _Bones of the Earth_ is maybe a
> little slight. Out of those, _The Scar_ would be my pick.
>
> _Years of Rice and Salt_ is really very different from anything else
> Robinson's written, and if you're avoiding him because of the politics or
> the windmills in the RGB Mars books, I'd suggest you try it. It's very
> good.
>
alt history. I might check it out of the library just to get an
idea of it.
> I do plan to pick up the Brin eventually; from everything I've read here,
> it seems to be a return to form after the most recent Uplift novel (I
> actually liked _Brightness Reef_ and _Heaven's Reach_ a lot, and thought
> that only the third of the trilogy was a disappointment).
Since I didn't really enjoy Brin when he was in form, I think I'll
give this a miss. Unless he has a rant on Star Wars as fascist
propaganda.
Allan Griffith
jjwa...@telerama.com says...
> > That it made the final Hugo ballot is also a travesty and a discredit
> > to the voters.
> >
>
> Ah, good. Someone else who doesn't understand how this book got a Hugo
> nomination.
When you look at some of the books that have won Hugos, though, you have
to wonder why they even bother continuing with them. If a book wins a
Hugo it makes me LESS likely to buy it.
Al
Allan Griffith
darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com says...
> > NOVEL
> > Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
> > Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
> > Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
> > The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
> > The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
> >
> Ugh. Not only haven't I read a single book on this list, The Scar's
> the only one I've even considered reading. Three of the authors
> I have precisely zero desire to read at all.
I will definitely be reading _The Scar_ and almost certainly _Bones of
the Earth_. The Brin and the Robinson I wouldn't read if you paid me to.
And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
Al
Marilee J. Layman
<ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>[From the Locus site]
>
>Friday 18 April 2003
>
>Hugo Awards Nominations
Yes, and see how forward thinking Minicon is? Sawyer and Mason are
GoHs here.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Bali Sterling Beads at Wholesale
http://www.basicbali.com
Steven desJardins
Googling him turns up a personal homepage. He has a number of essays
posted, mostly on films, but including one review of a contemporary
work of fantasy:
"The story of Hezhi, a young imperial princess,
Perkar, a chieftain's son, and the secret of the River God
that brings these two unlikely heroes together recalls the
best of Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E. Howard, J. R. R.
Tolkein and Terry Brooks. Once in every generation, a tale
resounds with such imagination and exceptional achievement
that it breaks new ground. In fact, so few works of modern
fantasy have such wonderful characters, exotic realms, and
magical adventures, and even fewer are so refreshingly
different and yet strangely familiar. The Waterborn is an
astounding first novel, destined to be an instant classic,
from a truly gifted author."
I am not impressed.
Paul F. Dietz
> And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
<damn how="with faint praise">It's better than the sequel.</damn>
Paul
Steve Coltrin
> And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
"Robert J. Sawyer is positively awful."?
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org WWVBF?
This post contains words known to the State of California to cause cancer.
Brenda W. Clough
>begin Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> writes:
>
>>And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
>>
>
>"Robert J. Sawyer is positively awful."?
>
Somebody -- some fairly large number of somebodies -- must have
nominated him.
Brenda
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David Bilek
>Steve Coltrin wrote:
>
>>begin Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> writes:
>>
>>>And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
>>>
>>
>>"Robert J. Sawyer is positively awful."?
>>
>
>Somebody -- some fairly large number of somebodies -- must have
>nominated him.
>
Sawyer does a lot of lobbying and self-promotion, doesn't he? Didn't
he sign his name with "CANADA'S ONLY FULL TIME SF AUTHOR!!!1!!11!!" or
something?
-David
Sean O'Hara
declared...
> Steve Coltrin wrote:
>
> >begin Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> writes:
> >
> >>And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
> >>
> >
> >"Robert J. Sawyer is positively awful."?
> >
>
> Somebody -- some fairly large number of somebodies -- must have
> nominated him.
>
--
Sean O'Hara
Gareth: Oh yeah, they're sad little men. He's thrown a kettle
over a pub. What have you ever done? --The Office
Allan Griffith
says...
> Sawyer does a lot of lobbying and self-promotion, doesn't he? Didn't
> he sign his name with "CANADA'S ONLY FULL TIME SF AUTHOR!!!1!!11!!" or
> something?
Looking at the Hugo winners over the years, I imagine there's a
considerable amount of lobbying involved. That's the only explanation
for some of the winners - it certainly isn't merit.
Al
Jaime Frontero
"Allan Griffith" <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.190bbab7a...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
and besides, who the hell'd want to go through the rest of their lives with
a name like 'hugo'?
j
Ross Smith
> Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> NOVEL
>
> NOVELLA
>
> NOVELETTE
>
> SHORT STORY
>
> RELATED BOOK
I'm left feeling a bit guilty here for not doing my duty to SF. This is
the first year I can remember when I find I haven't read a single one
of the literary nominations.
> DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
> Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by
> Chris Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J.
> K. Rowling) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema;
> Directed by Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens,
> Stephen Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R.
> Tolkien) Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed
> by Steven Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on
> the story by Philip K. Dick)
> Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
> David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
> and Stan Lee)
> Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
> Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
> Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
_Minority Report_.
> John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer [Not a Hugo]
>
> Charles Coleman Finlay
> David D. Levine
> Karin Lowachee
> Wen Spencer
> Ken Wharton
...and I've never heard of any of them. Sigh. I need to get out
more^H^H^H^Hless.
--
Ross Smith ......... r-s...@ihug.co.nz ......... Auckland, New Zealand
Our landscape raped by different armies
Soldier-slaves who have no faces
Control our ways and lives completely
Our minds are torn, time left its traces
-- L'Ame Immortelle
Justin Bacon
>> DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
>> Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by
>> Chris Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J.
>> K. Rowling) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema;
>> Directed by Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens,
>> Stephen Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R.
>> Tolkien) Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed
>> by Steven Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on
>> the story by Philip K. Dick)
>> Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
>> David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
>> and Stan Lee)
>> Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
>> Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
>> Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
>
>Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
>_Minority Report_.
That's a really fantastic list of nominees. Possibly the best ever for the
category in the history of the Hugos.
For me, it would be a toss-up between MINORITY REPORT and SPIRITED AWAY. Both
are excellent stories set in marvelously detailed worlds and brought to the
screen in superb form. (Anyone who hasn't seen SPIRITED AWAY should make a
point of it. It still seems to be playing in big city venues here in the U.S.)
TTT is possessed of serious structural flaws. The first half of the film is
astounding, but the second half manages to fall apart (despite some excellent
set pieces in the form of Helm's Deep, the Ents at Isengard, and the
performance of Smeagol/Gollum).
CHAMBER OF SECRETS is a good movie, but -- like the first film -- is a mystery
story which fails to execute the mystery (as opposed to the novel it's based
on, which does a great job executing the mystery).
SPIDER-MAN is excellent, but I'd prefer to stay a little more "in genre" when
there are two excellent films available.
Justin Bacon
tria...@aol.com
Arthur D. Hlavaty
Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
--
Arthur D.Hlavaty hla...@panix.com
Church of the SuperGenius in Wile E. we trust
E-zine available on request
mike weber
<hla...@panix.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:37:25 -0400, "James J. Walton"
><jjwa...@telerama.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jon Meltzer wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
>>> <ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >SHORT STORY
>>> >"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>>>
>>> >FAN WRITER
>>> >John L. Flynn
>>>
>>> Who??
>>>
>>
>>I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
>>writing?"
>
>Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
>
>http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
YEE-haw!
--
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Man Was Not Meant To Know. He was willing to concede that there
were things Man Was Too Dumb To Figure Out." -- Michael Kurland
================================
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Steven H Silver
<kgae...@worldnet.att.net> sent forth into the ether:
Simple: TANJ
--
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Hugo Nominee, Best Fan Writer
editor, Wondrous Beginnings, DAW 1/03
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/wondrous.html
editor, Magical Beginnings, DAW 2/03
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/magical.html
editor, Horrible Beginnings, DAW 3/03
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/horrible.html
Chair, Windycon XXX, Nov 7-9, 2003, http://www.windycon.org
how...@brazee.net
On 19-Apr-2003, Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Looking at the Hugo winners over the years, I imagine there's a
> considerable amount of lobbying involved. That's the only explanation
> for some of the winners - it certainly isn't merit.
How do they lobby? People who pay to go to the conventions, or who pay a
lesser amount to vote for the Hugos are those who need to be lobbied. Do
writers know who these guys are?
Scott Dubin
>
> > DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by
> > Chris Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J.
> > K. Rowling) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema;
> > Directed by Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens,
> > Stephen Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R.
> > Tolkien) Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed
> > by Steven Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on
> > the story by Philip K. Dick)
> > Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
> > David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
> > and Stan Lee)
> > Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
> > Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
> > Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
>
> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> _Minority Report_.
>
Spirited Away's pretty damn good.
Cathy Doyle
Arthur D. Hlavaty wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:37:25 -0400, "James J. Walton"
><jjwa...@telerama.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jon Meltzer wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
>>><ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>SHORT STORY
>>>>"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>FAN WRITER
>>>>John L. Flynn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Who??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
>>writing?"
>>
>>
>
>Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
>
>http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
>
>
>
There are rocks that are better left unturned, Arthur...
Cathy
Jo'Asia
In short "Why aren't they trying to lobby *me*?" ;)
Jo'Asia
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Nicholas Whyte
I have to say that I for one disagree.
If you had been talking about the Nebulas, then I would concede your
point. My own experience is that the Nebula Award final ballot is not
very useful for me in identifying novels that I would like to read,
and two of the last three awards for Best Novel (not counting
tonight's) are, in my humble opinion, completely incomprehensible. The
Hugo shortlist, on the other hand, always includes several books that
I already own and I usually enjoy tracking down and reading the
others; and while I may disagree with three of the last four Hugos for
Best Novel awarded since Forever Peace I can at least understand what
the voters saw in them. Perhaps there are SF readers out there for
whom the Nebulas in recent years make sense, but I have not heard from
any of them.
The only comprehensible and worthy winner of the Nebula Award in
recent years is _The Parable of the Talents_ by Octavia Butler, and
this perhaps was recognition by her peers of an author who doesn't
have the same fervent fan following as, say, Bujold. The awards to
Greg Bear's _Darwin's Radio_ and Catherine Asaro's _The Quantum Rose_
are inexcusable.
For the recent Hugos I have the unfashionable view (if shared by a
majority of the voters) that _To Say Nothing Of the Dog_ by Connie
Willis deserved to win. While I myself wouldn't have voted for Vinge's
_A Deepness in the Sky_ or _Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire_ or
Gaiman's _American Gods_, I can see that these are basically good sf.
Have you really read *and* *disliked* all four of them?
Nicholas
Nicholas Whyte
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:37:25 -0400, "James J. Walton"
><jjwa...@telerama.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jon Meltzer wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
>>> <ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >SHORT STORY
>>> >"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>>>
>>> >FAN WRITER
>>> >John L. Flynn
>>>
>>> Who??
>>>
>>
>>I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
>>writing?"
>
>Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
>
>http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
>
*Gulp*
Nicholas
Per C. Jorgensen
>
> > >FAN WRITER
> > >John L. Flynn
> >
> > Who??
> >
>
> I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
> writing?"
I took a look at his homepage:
<http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/sci-fi.html>
Seems that he has a bit of a beef with 'regular' fandom:
"Certain SMOFs are strangling the life out of Worldcon, and
the numbers are there to prove it. More and more fans are
abandoning the World Science Fiction Convention in favor of
DragonCon, that pretender to the throne in Atlanta. And
the central reason is that many fans prefer the diversity
of DragonCon, which celebrates science fiction in its many
forms, from literary SF to media SF, from costuming and
filking to comics and gaming. DragonCon is also attracting
more big name talent, and as the number of fans attending
the Worldcon continues to diminish, DragonCon grows
stronger, picking up those we have cast off..."
About involvement with fandom:
<http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/smof.htm>
"I have been involved in Science Fiction fandom as a
writer, a costumer, a dealer, a convention organizer, a
fanzine editor, and a fan for a large portion of my life.
I've been a member of the Baltimore Science Fiction
Society, a co-founder and member of the Costumer's Guild, a
member of the Society for Creative Anachronism, and a
member of the Science Fiction Writers of America. I
attended my first convention in 1973, and went to my first
Worldcon in 1977. Through fandom, I've experienced some of
the greatest high points of my life; in fact, one of the
highest points happened last week when I was nominated for
the first time for a Hugo Award. And unfortunately,
because of my involvement in fandom, I've also suffered
through some of the lowest points in my life as well. I've
met some of the most wonderful and creative people on the
planet through fandom, and formed friendships with some
that have lasted most of my adult life. And regrettably,
because of my youthful exuberance, inexperience, and
sometime callous behavior, I have pissed some people off
and hurt other people. All in all, fandom has been my way
of life for nearly thirty years."
Keith F. Lynch
> When you look at some of the books that have won Hugos, though, you
> have to wonder why they even bother continuing with them. If a book
> wins a Hugo it makes me LESS likely to buy it.
Don't complain. Vote. It isn't "they". It's "us".
You can also make a motion to discontinue the Hugo awards. I doubt it
will be seconded, however.
--
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HTML, "rich text," or attachments, as all such email is discarded unread.
Kathy Gallagher
"Per C. Jorgensen" <p.c.jo...@east-stud.uio.no> wrote in message
news:c59a6ad2.03041...@posting.google.com...
Interesting views. I let myself be driven from local fandom in all its
glory and frustration after a fibromyalgia crash that last 6 mos and was
mistaken for mono. I worked came home and went to bed. No clue what
happended to me. I gafiated from all fanac except going to cons.
Healthwise the stress of petty politicking wasn't worth it. The jobs I
loved best to do always went to someone else. When I joined the ferret
club, I found a job no one wanted to do and its mine. If someone wants to
take it away from me, its theirs and I'll do no work for the ferret club
either.
KG
David Bilek
>Ross Smith wrote:
>>> DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
>>> Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by
>>> Chris Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J.
>>> K. Rowling) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema;
>>> Directed by Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens,
>>> Stephen Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R.
>>> Tolkien) Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed
>>> by Steven Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on
>>> the story by Philip K. Dick)
>>> Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
>>> David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
>>> and Stan Lee)
>>> Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
>>> Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
>>> Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
>>
>>Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
>>_Minority Report_.
>
>That's a really fantastic list of nominees. Possibly the best ever for the
>category in the history of the Hugos.
>
I agree. The DP list is extraordinarily strong this year.
-David
Richard Horton
<ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>[From the Locus site]
>
>Friday 18 April 2003
>
>Hugo Awards Nominations
>
>Torcon 3, the World Science Fiction Convention to be held August
>28-September 1, 2003, in Toronto, has announced nominations for this
>year's Hugo Awards and for the John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer.
>
>NOVEL
>Bones of the Earth, Michael Swanwick (Eos)
>Hominids, Robert J. Sawyer (Analog Jan-Apr 2002; Tor)
>Kiln People, David Brin (Tor)
>The Scar, China Miéville (Macmillan; Del Rey)
>The Years of Rice and Salt, Kim Stanley Robinson (Bantam)
>
I had _Bones_ first, John Barnes's _The Sky So Big and Black_ second,
and _The Scar_ third on my nomination list. I considered making _The
Years of Rice and Salt_ a nominee, but I don't think it ended up
making my final cut. It was pretty much in a tie with four or five
other novels for the last two places on my list, though.
My vote will go to _Bones of the Earth_, then, obviously. _The Scar_
second, KSR's novel third. I haven't read _Kiln People_. I don't think
_Hominids_ is worthy of a Hugo nomination, though it's by no means as
bad as Sawyer at his worst. It still goes below No Award. I hope to
read _Kiln People_ before the voting.
>NOVELLA
>"Breathmoss", Ian R. MacLeod (Asimov's May 2002)
>"Bronte's Egg", Richard Chwedyk (F&SF Aug 2002)
>Coraline, Neil Gaiman (HarperCollins)
>"In Spirit", Pat Forde (Analog Sep 2002)
>"The Political Officer", Charles Coleman Finlay (F&SF Apr 2002)
>A Year in the Linear City, Paul Di Filippo (PS Publishing)
>
_A Year in the Linear City_ was second on my nomination list, after
William Barton's "The Engine of Desire". I also nominated
"Breathmoss", and _Coraline_ ended up 6th on my list, so I seriously
considered it for a nomination. I enjoyed the two F&SF novellas, but
both have weaknesses as well, and I really don't think either quite
worthy of an award. I didn't like "In Spirit" much at all. My ballot
will read Di Filippo, MacLeod, Gaiman, Finlay, Chwedyk, No Award.
>NOVELETTE
>"Halo", Charles Stross (Asimov's Jun 2002)
>"Madonna of the Maquiladora", Gregory Frost (Asimov's May 2002)
>"Presence", Maureen F. McHugh (F&SF Mar 2002)
>"Slow Life", Michael Swanwick (Analog Dec 2002)
>"The Wild Girls", Ursula K. Le Guin (Asimov's Mar 2002)
>
I nominated both "Presence" and "Halo" (along with Alex Irvine's
"Jimmie Guang's House of Gladmech", Kelly Link's "Lull", and Jeffrey
Ford's "The Weight of Words"). So those go 1,2 in that order. "The
Wild Girls" was on my long list, it goes third. I thought both the
Frost and Swanwick stories had really good parts, but I thought both
flawed. Still, they're good enough not to disgrace the award should
they win.
>SHORT STORY
>"Creation", Jeffrey Ford (F&SF May 2002)
>"Falling Onto Mars", Geoffrey A. Landis (Analog Jul/Aug 2002)
>"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>"'Hello,' Said the Stick", Michael Swanwick (Analog Mar 2002)
>"The Little Cat Laughed to See Such Sport", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's
>Oct/Nov 2002)
>
A clean miss -- not one of my nominees made the final ballot. That
said, the four stories I read (the Ford, Landis, and the two
Swanwicks) are all pretty good. I'm going to reread them all, but as
of now the Ford story is in the lead for my #1 vote.
I've not seen the Flynn story, nor heard of it, nor have I heard of
Nexxus. Does anybody know anything?
And it ought to be noted that Swanwick continues a truly amazing
streak in the short story category. He's been nominated for Best
Short Story for 5 years in a row now. In those five years, he's had 9
separate stories nominated! He's was also nominated in 1996 and 1997,
meaning 7 of the last 8 years. In just the one category! And he's
won three of the last four years. That's pretty damn impressive.
(Not to mention four stories nominated this year, in three of the four
fiction categories.)
>DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
>Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner Bros.; Directed by Chris
>Columbus; Screenplay by Steve Kloves; based on the novel by J. K. Rowling)
>The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line Cinema; Directed by
>Peter Jackson; Screenplay by Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens, Stephen
>Sinclair & Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J. R. R. Tolkien)
>Minority Report (20th Century Fox & DreamWorks SKG; Directed by Steven
>Spielberg; Screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen; based on the story
>by Philip K. Dick)
>Spider-Man (Columbia Pictures; Directed by Sam Raimi; Screenplay by
>David Koepp; based on the comic book character created by Steve Ditko
>and Stan Lee)
>Spirited Away (Studio Ghibli & Walt Disney Pictures; Directed by Hayao
>Miyazaki; Screenplay by Hayao Miyazaki [English version by Cindy Davis
>Hewitt and Donald H. Hewitt])
>
Wow -- I've seen 4 of these, and I plan to see SPIRITED AWAY soon. THE
TWO TOWERS is my favorite to date, but I do think it weaker than THE
FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. I wouldn't be surprised if my eventual vote
goes to SPIRITED AWAY.
>FAN WRITER
>Bob Devney
>John L. Flynn
>Mike Glyer
>Dave Langford
>Steven H Silver
>
I suppose I could say a lot about this category, but I'll just say
that I think the nominees with whom I am familar are certainly worthy.
But, I nominated James Nicoll (among others). I really hoped he might
make the cut, partly because he's Canadian and the convention is in
Canada this year. But mostly because I really like his writing. Not to
mention his position as "rasfw savior". <g>) As far as I know, he only
writes for Usenet -- rec.arts.sf.fandom and rec.arts.sf.written -- but
such writing is eligible. And after all, he's got at least two things
named after him: "Nicoll Thread" and "Nicoll Moment".
>John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer [Not a Hugo]
>
>Charles Coleman Finlay
>David D. Levine
>Karin Lowachee
>Wen Spencer
>Ken Wharton
Being the idiot I am, I can't remember who I nominated here, but I
know Finlay, Levine, and Wharton were all on my list of 7 or 8 to
consider. This looks like a good list, I think my vote as of now will
go to Finlay, but Wharton and Levine are both worthy too. (Levine's
story in the June F&SF is a huge point in his favor.) I haven't read
the novels of Lowachee and Spencer, though both look according to
reviews to be at least decent.
Predictions:
Novel: _The Scar_
Novella: "Breathmoss" (or "In Spirit")
Novelette: "Halo"
Short Story: "Creation" (or either Swanwick)
DP Long (i.e. movie): THE TWO TOWERS
Fan Writer: I'll go out on a limb and guess Langford
JWC: Wharton
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Ross Smith
> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:<b7r5ph$62j$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
>>
>> > DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
>> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
>> > The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
>> > Minority Report
>> > Spider-Man
>> > Spirited Away
>>
>> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
>> _Minority Report_.
>
> Spirited Away's pretty damn good.
It's the only one of the above I haven't seen. I think it's on at the
cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
Kathy Gallagher
> Scott Dubin wrote:
>
> > Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:<b7r5ph$62j$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> >>
> >> > DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
> >> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
> >> > The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
> >> > Minority Report
> >> > Spider-Man
> >> > Spirited Away
> >>
> >> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> >> _Minority Report_.
> >
> > Spirited Away's pretty damn good.
>
> It's the only one of the above I haven't seen. I think it's on at the
> cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
> I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
> lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
It's neither mawkish or sentimental. A girl's parents are turned to pigs
and she has to work in the ghost town to liberate them. Lush detail, good
story.
KG
David Bilek
>"Ross Smith" <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:b7sc19$881$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>> Scott Dubin wrote:
>>
>> > Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
>> > news:<b7r5ph$62j$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
>> >>
>> >> > DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
>> >> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
>> >> > The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
>> >> > Minority Report
>> >> > Spider-Man
>> >> > Spirited Away
>> >>
>> >> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
>> >> _Minority Report_.
>> >
>> > Spirited Away's pretty damn good.
>>
>> It's the only one of the above I haven't seen. I think it's on at the
>> cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
>> I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
>> lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
>
>It's neither mawkish or sentimental. A girl's parents are turned to pigs
>and she has to work in the ghost town to liberate them. Lush detail, good
>story.
>
It was good, but I became annoyed at how often the protagonist would
"As you know, Bob" herself. You know, stuff like...
spoiler protection follows
her friend the dragon flying up to the top floor of the tower and she
exclaims, "He flew up to the top floor of the tower!". "I better
hurry before he bleeds to death!". etc.
If I talked to myself that much they'd lock me in a padded cell.
-David
A.C.
news:va3fonj...@corp.supernews.com...
> > cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
> > I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
> > lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
>
> It's neither mawkish or sentimental. A girl's parents are turned to pigs
> and she has to work in the ghost town to liberate them. Lush detail, good
> story.
More importantly it's not obsessed with "safety", like the usual Disney
drivel. There's some dark, scary imagery.
Vlatko Juric-Kokic
wrote:
Really.
I scanned the other texts. I've seen much better specimens of fannish
writing here, in both groups.
vlatko
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Andrew Hatchell
Richard Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
><ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>SHORT STORY
>>"Creation", Jeffrey Ford (F&SF May 2002)
>>"Falling Onto Mars", Geoffrey A. Landis (Analog Jul/Aug 2002)
>>"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>>"'Hello,' Said the Stick", Michael Swanwick (Analog Mar 2002)
>>"The Little Cat Laughed to See Such Sport", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's
>>Oct/Nov 2002)
>>
>
>Nexxus. Does anybody know anything?
It appears to be an online pub; the story is at
<http://www.nexxus.usafreespace.com/serv01.htm>. It's an ok story, but
not really Hugo material, in my opinion.
Andrew
Alan Stewart
>
> FANZINE
> Challenger, Guy H. Lillian III
> Emerald City, Cheryl Morgan
> File 770, Mike Glyer
> Mimosa, Rich & Nicki Lynch
> Plokta, Alison Scott, Steve Davies & Mike Scott
Did File 770 actually publish an issue in 2002?
I didn't receive one in Australia.
Alan Stewart
Rebecca Ore
_American Gods_ took the best novel. Gaiman was in town with two
adolescent children in tow.
Does that guy ever stop smiling? He looks like a faun.
--
Rebecca Ore
http://mysite.verizon.net/rebecca.ore
T. M. Wagner
Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> I will definitely be reading _The Scar_ and almost certainly _Bones of
> the Earth_. The Brin and the Robinson I wouldn't read if you paid me to.
> And I haven't heard a single positive thing about Robert J. Sawyer.
Yes on The Scar. Avoid Bones. Sawyer, I haven't read enough to have
developed the loathing of him some people have. However, the books I
have read of his leave me scratching my head over why he ends up on
award ballots as often as he does. Just fair-to-middlin potboilers,
mainly.
T.M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
David Bilek
Avoid Bones... and you'll miss some great SF!
Avoid Bones... and you'll be making a big mistake.
Avoid Bones... and you'll regret it.
Just trying to figure out what you accidently left out of that
sentence. One of those 3, maybe?
-David
Anton Sherwood
> It was good, but I became annoyed at how often the protagonist
> would "As you know, Bob" herself. You know, stuff like...
>
> spoiler protection follows
>
> If I talked to myself that much they'd lock me in a padded cell.
Seems to be de rigueur for kid cartoons in general, including superhero
comics.
--
Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/
Anton Sherwood
>> When you look at some of the books that have won Hugos, though,
>> you have to wonder why they even bother continuing with them.
>> If a book wins a Hugo it makes me LESS likely to buy it.
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Don't complain. Vote. It isn't "they". It's "us".
There's not much point in voting if you're in a permanent minority.
(What have you done with the real Keith Lynch?)
Anton Sherwood
>> Spirited Away's pretty damn good.
Ross Smith wrote:
> It's the only one of the above I haven't seen. I think it's on at the
> cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
> I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
> lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
Oh, they have to say that sort of twaddle. (They'd probably say `Kind
Hearts and Coronets' is about learning to forgive.) As in any quest
story, the heroine learns her own strengths. As in any story with
monsters, it could be argued that some of the monsters "learn the
meaning of friendship" - i.e. someone treats them with kindness for the
first time in their constricted lives. Whoop ti do.
T. M. Wagner
David Bilek <dbi...@attbi.com> wrote:
> Avoid Bones... and you'll miss some great SF!
>
> Avoid Bones... and you'll be making a big mistake.
>
> Avoid Bones... and you'll regret it.
>
> Just trying to figure out what you accidently left out of that
> sentence. One of those 3, maybe?
More like, Avoid Bones, and you'll miss a book whose excellent ideas are
undermined by poorly developed characters and a clumsily structured
narrative. I hear the original short story was pretty good, though.
Thomas Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
BNE
Rebecca Ore <ogoen...@verizon.net> wrote:
> _American Gods_ took the best novel. Gaiman was in town with two
> adolescent children in tow.
>
> Does that guy ever stop smiling? He looks like a faun.
I'm just surprised to see him without the dark glasses on.
Thomas Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
T. M. Wagner
Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> _Minority Report_.
I might too, had it not self-destructed in its last 20 minutes.
Thomas Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
T. M. Wagner
Arthur D. Hlavaty <hla...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> >FAN WRITER
> >> >John L. Flynn
> >>
> >> Who??
> >>
> >
> >I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
> >writing?"
>
> Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
>
> http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
Brings to mind Joe Leydon, the former film critic for the Houston Post,
who gained notoriety for being the only guy to praise Howard the Duck!
Thomas Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
Allan Griffith
> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> > Don't complain. Vote. It isn't "they". It's "us".
>
> There's not much point in voting if you're in a permanent minority.
That's why I do the only rational thing, and use them as an indication of
what not to read.
Al
Allan Griffith
t...@nospam.sfreviews.net says...
> Avoid Bones.
What's wrong with _Bones of the Earth_?
Al
Justin Bacon
> In article <b7r5ph$62j$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>,
> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> > _Minority Report_.
>
> I might too, had it not self-destructed in its last 20 minutes.
Oh? How so?
I only had one objection to the finale of the film, and -- when I
rewatched it -- I realized the piece of information I thought was
lacking was, instead, simply so subtle I missed it the first time.
Justin Bacon
tria...@aol.com
Sean O'Hara
declared...
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:37:25 -0400, "James J. Walton"
>
> >On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Jon Meltzer wrote:
> >
> >> >FAN WRITER
> >> >John L. Flynn
> >>
> >> Who??
> >>
> >I think a much better question is "Where can I find examples of his
> >writing?"
>
> Here's one, he said while trying to look innocent.
>
> http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/BE.htm
>
--
Sean O'Hara
Gareth: I told him once that I don't like jelly. I don't trust
the way it moves.
Brent: Yeah. You showed him a weakness, he pounced. You should
know about that. --The Office
Sean O'Hara
an industry. For almost any movie, there's an obscure website
that writes a positive review just to be the only ripe tomato on
the list. I believe someone even explicitly admited doing this
for the Dana Carvey flop Master of Disguise, saying that the movie
wasn't so bad as to deserve a universal panning.
--
Sean O'Hara
"Turtle, turltle, turtle." -- Master of Disguise
Sean O'Hara
> how...@brazee.net wrote:
>
> > How do they lobby? People who pay to go to the conventions, or who pay a
> > lesser amount to vote for the Hugos are those who need to be lobbied. Do
> > writers know who these guys are?
>
> In short "Why aren't they trying to lobby *me*?" ;)
>
If any author wants to pay for a membership fee, plane ticket, and
lodging, I'll gladly vote for them next year.
--
Sean O'Hara
Captain Murphy: It's not a toy. It makes real cupcakes, with a
40 watt bulb, and there's icing packets. But the secret ingredient
is love. Damn it. --Sealab 2021
Sean O'Hara
>
[Re: Spirited Away]
> It was good, but I became annoyed at how often the protagonist would
> "As you know, Bob" herself. You know, stuff like...
>
Cue fanboy debate on dubbing vs subbing.
Sean O'Hara
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...when the guard says people in the futuristic prison experience
their wildest dreams, thus hinting that the last twenty minutes
might be a dream and Cruise's character, in fact, lost?
I think it might've been better if the line'd been there earlier,
when Cruise first visited the prison, but it's still a compelling
argument for the finale not sucking.
--
Sean O'Hara
Jeff: She's leaving the country, she doesn't speak English,
I insulted her friend's breasts...and she thinks I collect
women's ears in a bucket. --Coupling
Evelyn C. Leeper
You know, I just looked through my old fanzines and the latest FILE 770
I could find was November 2001.
*Was* there an issue in 2002?
--
Evelyn C. Leeper
http://www.geocities.com/evelynleeper
"What appears to be coming at you is coming from you."
--Jack Flanders
Jason Maxwell
news:tmw-399678.0...@newsr2.texas.rr.com...
> Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> > _Minority Report_.
>
> I might too, had it not self-destructed in its last 20 minutes.
>
Spoilers
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Lets see, we're chasing after the top cop, but we don't shut down his
security access?
How exactly were they going to expand this project, considering they didn't
know how to make any more pre-cogs?
Minor nit, the continuity error when he's climing out of the car, he stands
on the window he just kicked out...
There were more inconsistancies, but I can't remember them and I don't want
to go digging for the prior reviews that pointed them out.
Jason
Andrew Wheeler
>
> In article <lgc1avk8epo20l849...@4ax.com>, dbi...@attbi.com
> says...
> > Sawyer does a lot of lobbying and self-promotion, doesn't he? Didn't
> > he sign his name with "CANADA'S ONLY FULL TIME SF AUTHOR!!!1!!11!!" or
> > something?
>
> Looking at the Hugo winners over the years, I imagine there's a
> considerable amount of lobbying involved. That's the only explanation
> for some of the winners - it certainly isn't merit.
Well, Alan, it's just possible that everyone in the world *doesn't*
share your specific tastes in fiction...
--
Andrew Wheeler
--
"It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on
a kite over Central Park." -Jim Moran
Andrew Wheeler
>
> "Evelyn C. Leeper" wrote:
> >
> > [From the Locus site]
> >
> > Friday 18 April 2003
> >
> > Hugo Awards Nominations
>
> [snip]
>
> Wow, if it weren't for "The Two Towers", this would be a complete
> miss for me. The only thing that I've even considered looking at
> is Gaiman's _Coraline_.
>
> > John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer [Not a Hugo]
> >
> > Charles Coleman Finlay
> > David D. Levine
> > Karin Lowachee
> > Wen Spencer
> > Ken Wharton
>
> Why isn't Jasper Fforde on this list?
Not as many people nominated him as did those names on the list. Did
*you* nominate this year?
(He'll also, I think, be eligible next year.)
Sandy Tyra
>
> Scott Dubin wrote:
>
> > Ross Smith <r-s...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:<b7r5ph$62j$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> >>
> >> > DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM
> >> > Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
> >> > The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
> >> > Minority Report
> >> > Spider-Man
> >> > Spirited Away
> >>
> >> Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> >> _Minority Report_.
> >
>
> cinemas here now. I might go and see it, although some of the reviews
> I've seen have put me off a bit; all that stuff about children learning
> lessons about friendship etc. sounds horribly mawkish and sentimental.
>
> Ross Smith .......
It's not. My family dragged me to see it. I didn't think it would be
my cup of tea. It is a fascinating piece of work - not at all for
children (although they may enjoy it too.) In fact, of the nominees for
the Hugo, I would give it my vote.
Sandy
Justin Bacon
Hmm... Interesting.
Actually, no. I was referring to the fact that, when I first watched it,
Cruise's whole logic game on the balcony seemed flawed because neither of them
*know* what future (if any) has been seen at that point.
On rewatching the sequence, I realized that both Cruise and Lamar look out over
the city and spot the incoming cop car. Too slow to stop what could've
happened, but letting them know that a murder has been foreseen.
Justin Bacon
tria...@aol.com
David Bilek
>Allan Griffith wrote:
>>
>> In article <lgc1avk8epo20l849...@4ax.com>, dbi...@attbi.com
>> says...
>> > Sawyer does a lot of lobbying and self-promotion, doesn't he? Didn't
>> > he sign his name with "CANADA'S ONLY FULL TIME SF AUTHOR!!!1!!11!!" or
>> > something?
>>
>> Looking at the Hugo winners over the years, I imagine there's a
>> considerable amount of lobbying involved. That's the only explanation
>> for some of the winners - it certainly isn't merit.
>
>Well, Alan, it's just possible that everyone in the world *doesn't*
>share your specific tastes in fiction...
>
In-con-ceivable!
-David
Evelyn C. Leeper
How about that the entire meaning of the title, and the concept of the
minority report, is chucked out the window somewhere along the line?
(As Mark Leeper noted long ago.)
Jo'Asia
> How about that the entire meaning of the title, and the concept of the
> minority report, is chucked out the window somewhere along the line?
> (As Mark Leeper noted long ago.)
I do not agree. There is a _MR_, it is just not the one from the original
story.
Jo'Asia
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Allan Griffith <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Well, following the link in my sig will take you to my full review. Just
my humble opinion, of course.
T.M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
T. M. Wagner
Sean O'Hara <darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> Rotten Tomatoes <http://www.rottentomatoes.com> has made that into
> an industry. For almost any movie, there's an obscure website
> that writes a positive review just to be the only ripe tomato on
> the list. I believe someone even explicitly admited doing this
> for the Dana Carvey flop Master of Disguise, saying that the movie
> wasn't so bad as to deserve a universal panning.
What I recall was a website called amazing-colossal.com, whose reviewer
was the only guy to give Master of Disguise the thumbs up. When he
noticed his was the only fresh tomato on Rotten Tomatoes for that movie,
I think he got a little nervous, asking his readers if he was crazy or
something. Kind of funny. Hey, why worry; if he genuinely liked it and
can articulate his opinion, good for him! :-)
T.M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
T. M. Wagner
Sean O'Hara <darkerthenightth...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> In the Year of the Goat, the Great and Powerful Jo'Asia declared...
> > how...@brazee.net wrote:
> >
> > > How do they lobby? People who pay to go to the conventions, or who pay a
> > > lesser amount to vote for the Hugos are those who need to be lobbied. Do
> > > writers know who these guys are?
> >
> > In short "Why aren't they trying to lobby *me*?" ;)
> >
> If any author wants to pay for a membership fee, plane ticket, and
> lodging, I'll gladly vote for them next year.
Well, all you have to do to be eligible to vote is get a supporting
membership to Worldcon. I noticed that fewer than 700 people gave
nominations for the novels category; and hey, I'm guilty of not being
one of them. That's puny. If twice as many people got involved in next
year's Hugos, it might be a more interesting playing field.
Anyway, I think the accusations of lobbying and campaigning for the
Hugos are silly, since they're basically SF's People's Choice Awards.
The fans who happen to participate are voting their tastes and their
limited exposure to what's out there plays a role. That's the reason
Michael Whelan won as Best Artist for like 15 years in a row. It wasn't
based on anything specific he did; he was just the only artist fans knew
by name. And personally I think they ought to just dump the farcical
Best "Semiprozine" category, since it just always goes to Locus every
year without any real contest. So just mail the award to the Locus
offices every year and skip the ceremony. At least Whelan had the
magnanimity to take himself out of the running for one year to give
someone else a chance. Charles N. Brown, it seems, likes collecting
those bookends.
Lobbying I think could be much more of a potential problem with the
Nebulas.
If The Scar actually wins this year, the Hugos will have vindicated
themselves, at least for right now.
T.M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
Christopher K Davis
> I've not seen the Flynn story, nor heard of it, nor have I heard of
> Nexxus. Does anybody know anything?
And were all the nominations mailed from the same post office with
successively-numbered money orders?
--
Christopher Davis * <ckd...@ckdhr.com> * <URL:http://www.ckdhr.com/ckd/>
Of course I feel old. The videos I used to watch on MTV (back when they
still showed videos) moved to VH1, and now they're on "VH1 Classic".
Lloyd&Yvonne Penney
2002.
Lloyd
Evelyn C. Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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David Bilek
"Lloyd&Yvonne Penney" <pen...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>Evelyn C. Leeper <ele...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:3EA2CE5E...@optonline.net...
>> Alan Stewart wrote:
>> >>.
>> >>
>> >>FANZINE
>> >>Challenger, Guy H. Lillian III
>> >>Emerald City, Cheryl Morgan
>> >>File 770, Mike Glyer
>> >>Mimosa, Rich & Nicki Lynch
>> >>Plokta, Alison Scott, Steve Davies & Mike Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > Did File 770 actually publish an issue in 2002?
>> >
>> > I didn't receive one in Australia.
>>
>> You know, I just looked through my old fanzines and the latest FILE
>> 770 I could find was November 2001.
>>
>> *Was* there an issue in 2002?
>
>I think there was one issue...my loc to issue 141 was dated May 14,
>2002.
>
I don't know... the online version online goes up to November 2001...
Perhaps a case of inertia a la Michael Whelan?
-David
how...@brazee.net
Richard Horton
Hatchell) wrote:
>In article <cgioa.2721$OD2....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
>Richard Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:05:22 GMT, "Evelyn C. Leeper"
>><ele...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>SHORT STORY
>>>"Creation", Jeffrey Ford (F&SF May 2002)
>>>"Falling Onto Mars", Geoffrey A. Landis (Analog Jul/Aug 2002)
>>>"A Gift of Verse", John L. Flynn (Nexxus Fall 2002)
>>>"'Hello,' Said the Stick", Michael Swanwick (Analog Mar 2002)
>>>"The Little Cat Laughed to See Such Sport", Michael Swanwick (Asimov's
>>>Oct/Nov 2002)
>>>
>>
>>I've not seen the Flynn story, nor heard of it, nor have I heard of
>>Nexxus. Does anybody know anything?
>
>It appears to be an online pub; the story is at
><http://www.nexxus.usafreespace.com/serv01.htm>. It's an ok story, but
>not really Hugo material, in my opinion.
Thanks for the link!
I've read the story, and I think it is quite poor. It appears, too,
that it may not be eligible for this year's Hugo -- a story of the
same title, described in similar terms, appeared in the author's 2000
collection _Visions of Light and Shadow_.
--
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T. M. Wagner
tria...@aol.com (Justin Bacon) wrote:
> > > Much as I admire Peter Jackson, out of that list I think I'd vote for
> > > _Minority Report_.
> >
> > I might too, had it not self-destructed in its last 20 minutes.
>
> Oh? How so?
(Massive spoilers follow)
Because in the end, the movie didn't end up trusting its own themes, or
at the very least its audience's intelligence in being able to absorb
those themes. The story was predicated on the rightness or wrongness of
precrime as a concept, and the conflict between free will and
determinism. Cruise was the dogmatic believer in the infallibility of
precrime; Colin Farrell was the guy looking for flaws. Presumably, the
intention was for Cruise's character arc to reveal to him the wrongness
of his beliefs. Archetypal stuff, basically.
For this to have worked, the movie OUGHT to have ended the moment Cruise
read his son's presumed killer his Miranda rights. By making the CHOICE
not to gun down the man, Cruise would have proven that human beings DO
have free will, that reality is NOT inviolably preordained, and thus all
those poor bastards jailed for precrime are jailed unjustly. Boom, end
of movie.
Had this been the ending, we'd have had the best SF movie not only of
the year, and of Spielberg's career, but quite possibly the best SF
movie period since Blade Runner. But no. They had to have The Twist,
that dreaded new entry in Hollywood's cliche checklist that has become
de rigeur ever since The Sixth Sense did it. Suddenly there's a big
conspiracy, and Cruise's mentor is really his arch-enemy, yada yada
yada, and the whole thing spirals into a vortex of trite, conventional
nonsense, never to recover. When Cruise's wife shows up at the prison
where he's being held and orders the jailer at GUNPOINT to let him go
(which, in a world governed by logic and not the whims of half-assed
screenwriters, would have earned her her own little stasis pod, thank
you), the movie has clearly entered the land of no return.
Seriously, the first 120 minutes of Minority Report was so well done
that I was nearly brought to tears by its disastrous final 20. (AI made
the same mistake, incidentally, though Minority Report on the whole was
just a better story.) As for the "it was all a dream" interpretation of
the ending, well, points for chutzpah there, but frankly I've never
heard it before and it sounds quite a lot like r-e-a-c-h-i-n-g to me.
I guess the only consolation is that you can turn the DVD off at the
proper moment....
T. M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
Alan Stewart
Lloyd&Yvonne Penney wrote:
> I think there was one issue...my loc to issue 141 was dated May 14,
> 2002.
>
> Lloyd
>
>
> > > I didn't receive one in Australia.
> >
> > You know, I just looked through my old fanzines and the latest FILE
> 770
> > I could find was November 2001.
> >
> > *Was* there an issue in 2002?
> >
It goes to the "generally available" criteria. If regular Hugo voters
never received a copy, just how "generally available" was it?
The last issue I received was #139 (August 2001).
Alan Stewart
Justin Bacon
While it is true that Cruise's minority report turns out to be a misdirection,
you'll note that the conclusion of the movie hinges upon a minority report.
Justin Bacon
tria...@aol.com
Allan Griffith
says...
> >Well, Alan, it's just possible that everyone in the world *doesn't*
> >share your specific tastes in fiction...
> >
>
> In-con-ceivable!
I accept the fact that there are a handful of poor deluded souls whose
opinions differ from mine. But I believe those people are capable of
being rehabilitated. All it needs is an effective re-education program.
Al
Justin Bacon
>(Massive spoilers follow)
>But no. They had to have The Twist,
>that dreaded new entry in Hollywood's cliche checklist that has become
>de rigeur ever since The Sixth Sense did it.
Without the mystery of the missing minority report, how do you justify Cruise
being set up for the murder in the first place?
I suppose you could recraft the movie so as to rip out that entire section of
the plot, leaving you with a movie in which Cruise actually encounters his
son's killer and makes the choice not to kill him. But that plot would leave me
wondering exactly why the prescient vision is triggered *now* of all times.
Of course, the movie's central plot already resolves around the central paradox
of "if the visions of the psychics allow you to change the future, why is it
that the visions of the psychics drive Cruise towards his murder?"
Justin Bacon
tria...@aol.com
Vlatko Juric-Kokic
<rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>I've read the story, and I think it is quite poor. It appears, too,
>that it may not be eligible for this year's Hugo -- a story of the
>same title, described in similar terms, appeared in the author's 2000
>collection _Visions of Light and Shadow_.
Sounds fishy.
How did he appear on the Hugo ballot? I mean a guy who practically
nobody heard of here, among pretty well read people, suddenly pops up
in the Hugo finals.
vlatko
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T. M. Wagner
tria...@aol.com (Justin Bacon) wrote:
> I suppose you could recraft the movie so as to rip out that entire section of
> the plot, leaving you with a movie in which Cruise actually encounters his
> son's killer and makes the choice not to kill him. But that plot would leave
> me
> wondering exactly why the prescient vision is triggered *now* of all times.
Well, if you tackle the story from the perspective of Cruise's character
arc, it isn't such a problem. Remember that Cruise is the precrime cop,
not just Joe Citizen, and the story makes it clear he's the first
precrime cop ever to find himself in this predicament. So it isn't as
though none of the other regular people who've been busted and
incarcerated WOULDN'T have changed their minds about the crimes the
precogs envisioned; it's just that they were busted before they had the
chance, and Cruise, when he gets the chance, realizes his unshakable
belief in precrime has indeed been shaken. Like the jealous husband
Cruise arrests in the opening scene; he *might* have said "ah the hell
with it," and stormed out of the house, or he *might* have turned the
scissors on himself and slit his throat. Who knows? (An interesting
point arises here about the demonstration Cruise made when he rolled the
wooden ball, in order to prove "just because you prevent something from
happening doesn't mean it wasn't going to happen." The difference his
analogy overlooked is that a ball rolling across a table isn't a
sentient being with decision making capabilities. It can't change its
mind and roll the other way.)
You could still incorporate the minority reports as a prominent story
element; other arrestees have had minority reports of their own as well.
Farrell's character could still be the aggressive AG looking for flaws
in the system, but say, instead of exposing them he wants to suppress
them.
I guess the whole "set-up" thing could have worked from a plot logic
standpoint; it's just the way the twist was actually *handled* on screen
felt SO contrived and tacked on.
> Of course, the movie's central plot already resolves around the central
> paradox
> of "if the visions of the psychics allow you to change the future, why is it
> that the visions of the psychics drive Cruise towards his murder?"
Interesting....
As I indicated, I think Minority Report is about 90% brilliant....
T.M. Wagner
http://www.sfreviews.net/
Steven H Silver
<ele...@optonline.net> sent forth into the ether:
>Alan Stewart wrote:
>>>.
>>>
>>>FANZINE
>>>Challenger, Guy H. Lillian III
>>>Emerald City, Cheryl Morgan
>>>File 770, Mike Glyer
>>>Mimosa, Rich & Nicki Lynch
>>>Plokta, Alison Scott, Steve Davies & Mike Scott
>>
>>
>> Did File 770 actually publish an issue in 2002?
>>
>> I didn't receive one in Australia.
>
>You know, I just looked through my old fanzines and the latest FILE 770
>I could find was November 2001.
>
>*Was* there an issue in 2002?
Issue #141, which announced the adoption of Mike's daughter, is dated
March 2002.
--
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Hugo Nominee, Best Fan Writer
editor, Wondrous Beginnings, DAW 1/03
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/wondrous.html
editor, Magical Beginnings, DAW 2/03
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/magical.html
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Andrew Hatchell
Richard Horton <rrho...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>I've read the story, and I think it is quite poor. It appears, too,
>that it may not be eligible for this year's Hugo -- a story of the
>same title, described in similar terms, appeared in the author's 2000
>collection _Visions of Light and Shadow_.
I was wondering about that. I'm not clear if Brickhouse Books is a vanity
publisher or not (or if that would affect Hugo eligibility), but glancing
at the story on Nexxus, it definitely appears to be the same story as in
the book. I won't be home until this weekend, but if nobody else has done
it by then, I'll compare the book and Nexxus versions and see if there was
substantial re-writing between the two version.
Andrew
Evelyn C. Leeper
I don't think vanity press has anything to do with it. In any case,
Brickhouse Books seems to be a regional small press in Maryland. (It
does have an "author-financed" division, Chestnut Hills Press, which in
spite of its protestations probably *is* a vanity press.)
However, extended eligibility is available to limited releases only as
follows (from the WSFS constitution): "Section 2.3: Extended
Eligibility. In the event that a potential Hugo Award nominee receives
extremely limited distribution in the year of its first publication or
presentation, its eligibility may be extended for an additional year by
a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the intervening Business Meeting of WSFS."
So it needs a vote at the BM *and* it can be extended only for one
year. This story fails on both counts.
wth...@godzilla5.acpub.duke.edu
> "Allan Griffith" <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:MPG.190bbab7a...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > In article <lgc1avk8epo20l849...@4ax.com>, dbi...@attbi.com
> > says...
> > > Sawyer does a lot of lobbying and self-promotion, doesn't he? Didn't
> > > he sign his name with "CANADA'S ONLY FULL TIME SF AUTHOR!!!1!!11!!" or
> > > something?
> >
> > Looking at the Hugo winners over the years, I imagine there's a
> > considerable amount of lobbying involved. That's the only explanation
> > for some of the winners - it certainly isn't merit.
> >
> > Al
>
> and besides, who the hell'd want to go through the rest of their lives with
> a name like 'hugo'?
"The name's Hugo, Victor Hugo".
William Hyde
EOS Department
Duke University
Mike Schilling
news:yv7z65p7...@godzilla5.acpub.duke.edu...
And it makes me tres miserables.
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
I should not.
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