Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (Possible Mild Spoilers)
Jim Lovejoy
most books by dead writers.
The Back Cover mentions that "Jane Austen is the author of _Sense and
Sensibility_ _Persuasion_ _Mansfield Park_ and other masterpieces of
English Literature. Seth Grahame-Smith once took a class in English
Literature." That pretty well sums up their respective contributions to
the novel.
Most of the book seemed somewhat faithful to the tone of the original, once
you adjust, as adjust you must, for the increased tendency toward
ruthlessness that the 55 year-old plague of zombies has caused.
I think that what follows has been stated to avoid spoilers, but even at
the risk, it must be said in any review of the book.
It sems to me that Seth Grahame-Smith, the co-author, believes that Wickham
had not been treated justly by Mr. Darcy in the original novel, and uses
the rewritten book to see that he is at last given his due. Although
understandable, it seems to me to detract from the authenticity of this
second novelization of _Pride and Prejudice_ this time set in an England
ravaged by a Plague of Zombies.
Robert A. Woodward
Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better than
> most books by dead writers.
>
My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
Frank Mayhar
> In article <JqednXrDMrJvtM3X...@nventure.com>,
> Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>
>> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better
>> than most books by dead writers.
>>
>>
> My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it was a
> bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
I'm afraid that once conceived, the realization of the idea was utterly
inevitable. I would even go so far as to suggest that the world could
not be complete without such a work.
(Reminds me of the story of the kid who, after hearing that most people
unintentionally eat two flies over the course of their lives, decided to
catch a couple, mash them onto a piece of bread and eat the result, in
order to get it out of the way.)
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djinn
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:00:31 -0700, Robert A. Woodward wrote:
> > Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>
> >> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better
> >> than most books by dead writers.
>
> > My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it was a
> > bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>
> I'm afraid that once conceived, the realization of the idea was utterly
> inevitable. I would even go so far as to suggest that the world could
> not be complete without such a work.
>
> (Reminds me of the story of the kid who, after hearing that most people
> unintentionally eat two flies over the course of their lives, decided to
> catch a couple, mash them onto a piece of bread and eat the result, in
> order to get it out of the way.)
Heh, nope, I'm not reading it even to 'get it out of the way'.
Edward McArdle
<nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
There is an English TV show where a girl is swapped with Elizabeth Bennett
and stuffs up the entire plot of the book while endeavouring to make sure
it all comes true (with her falling for Mr Darcy and vice versa). In that
book also Mr Wickham was really a good sort of guy. And I can't think of
its name.
--
Edward McArdle
David Johnston
Lost in Austen.
Arthur
> In article <JqednXrDMrJvtM3XnZ2dnUVZ_g2dn...@nventure.com>,
> Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>
> > I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better than
> > most books by dead writers.
>
> My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
> was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
I'm waiting for
War and Peace and Zombies
Of Mice and Men and Zombies
The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
Foundation and Empire and Zombies
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
At least two of those originals are still under copyright and
therefore unlikely. And your third one has me thinking about '60s pop
bands rather than undead monsters.
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Arthur
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Arthur <art...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 5, 1:00 am, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> >> In article <JqednXrDMrJvtM3XnZ2dnUVZ_g2dn...@nventure.com>,
> >> Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>
> >> > I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better than
> >> > most books by dead writers.
>
> >> My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
> >> was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>
> >I'm waiting for
> >War and Peace and Zombies
> >Of Mice and Men and Zombies
> >The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
> >Foundation and Empire and Zombies
>
> At least two of those originals are still under copyright and
> therefore unlikely.
Hmm. How did they get away with "Bored of the Rings"?
Kurt Busiek
Among other things, they didn't use huge swaths of Tolkien's text.
That said, OF MICE, MEN AND ZOMBIES could be a lot of fun.
I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
"Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>On 2009-07-06 14:16:53 -0700, Arthur <art...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> On Jul 6, 5:13�pm, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:02:22 -0700 (PDT), Arthur <art...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 1:00�am, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <JqednXrDMrJvtM3XnZ2dnUVZ_g2dn...@nventure.com>,
>>>>> �Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better
>> than
>>>>>> most books by dead writers.
>>>
>>>>> My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
>>>>> was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>>>
>>>> I'm waiting for
>>>> War and Peace and Zombies
>>>> Of Mice and Men and Zombies
>>>> The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
>>>> Foundation and Empire and Zombies
>>>
>>> At least two of those originals are still under copyright and
>>> therefore unlikely. �
>>
>> Hmm. How did they get away with "Bored of the Rings"?
>
>Among other things, they didn't use huge swaths of Tolkien's text.
That, and parody is protected. Also, that was published under the
1901 law, which was less restrictive than the 1976 law, let alone the
1996 amended version.
Adding zombies to the original text doesn't exactly seem like "parody"
to me.
>That said, OF MICE, MEN AND ZOMBIES could be a lot of fun.
>
>I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
>
>"Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
>crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
>carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
>cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
Oh, that would be fun!
Howard Brazee
>My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
>was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
You don't think it will make money?
Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
others.
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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>That, and parody is protected. Also, that was published under the
>1901 law, which was less restrictive than the 1976 law, let alone the
>1996 amended version.
>
>Adding zombies to the original text doesn't exactly seem like "parody"
>to me.
But does it seem like it to the lawyers? Apparently there are a
bunch of "parody" XXX movies based upon TV shows that the young
performers have never seen. I guess the lawyers must have been
satisfied, but such movie makers have long ago found paying for good
writing was a waste.
Wayne Throop
: I'm waiting for
: War and Peace and Zombies
: Of Mice and Men and Zombies
: The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
: Foundation and Empire and Zombies
Well OK, 2->3 clauses, but why neglect 1->2 cases?
The Firm and Zombies.
All we want to do is eat your brains
We're not unreasonable, I mean no one's going to eat your eyes
All we want to do is eat your brains
We're at an impasse here, maybe we should compromise
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>
>
>On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:00:31 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
><robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>>My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
>>was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>
>You don't think it will make money?
>
>Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
>it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
>out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
>others.
>
Put me down for thinking it's a great idea and putting it on my to-read
list. I almost get the feeling from some of these posts that
people think it diminishes the original somehow. Nonsense, the original
will still be on a shelf in every library and big-box bookstore.
Ted
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Shawn Wilson
> I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
>
> "Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
> crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
> carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
> cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
ONE MORE TIME-
DeGaulle did not have any authroity in France. He was an *enemy* of
Vichy. No letter signed by him would have any meaning whatsoever.
The line was supposed to be General *Weygand*, but is universally
misheard.
BP
wrote:
>Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
>it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
>out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
>others.
Zombies and the undead are currently big in YA/romance books for
girls. Not sure if this is riding onthe coat-tails of Twilight or if
Twilight is just a prominent example. My 12-yr-old daughter reads
these things like popcorn, but then she is also a big Twilight fan.
Arthur
> On Jul 6, 2:31 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
>
> > "Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
> > crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
> > carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
> > cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
>
> ONE MORE TIME-
>
> DeGaulle did not have any authroity in France. He was an *enemy* of
> Vichy. No letter signed by him would have any meaning whatsoever.
And Godzilla probably doesn't read French very well.
Warchild
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:00:31 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
> <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> >My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
> >was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>
> You don't think it will make money?
>
> Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
> it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
> out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
> others.
Read it.
One Joke. Told within first five pages, then endlessly repeated.
Boring.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:29:50 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net>
>wrote:
>
>>That, and parody is protected. Also, that was published under the
>>1901 law, which was less restrictive than the 1976 law, let alone the
>>1996 amended version.
>>
>>Adding zombies to the original text doesn't exactly seem like "parody"
>>to me.
>
>But does it seem like it to the lawyers? Apparently there are a
>bunch of "parody" XXX movies based upon TV shows that the young
>performers have never seen. I guess the lawyers must have been
>satisfied, but such movie makers have long ago found paying for good
>writing was a waste.
Frequently the only parody is the title -- but that also means there's
no copyright violation, since titles aren't protected by copyright.
Kurt Busiek
And the whole idea of letters of transit that can't be rescinded or
questioned is stupid anyway, but it didn't stop the movie from being a
classic. No surprise that Shawn's got his undies in such a knot that
he'd fuss about the historical accuracy of a joke about a parody of a
decades-old movie, though.
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Rebecca Rice
I can see some of the undead being big in romance books.
Vampires can be dark and mysterious, and ghosts can be
tragic and romantic. But I am having a hard time seeing
zombies as a romantic lead. Can you enlighten me?
Rebecca
David DeLaney
>I can see some of the undead being big in romance books.
>Vampires can be dark and mysterious, and ghosts can be
>tragic and romantic. But I am having a hard time seeing
>zombies as a romantic lead. Can you enlighten me?
...Piers Anthony managed it...
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> BP wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:12:19 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
<snip>
> > Zombies and the undead are currently big in YA/romance books for
> > girls. Not sure if this is riding onthe coat-tails of Twilight or if
> > Twilight is just a prominent example. My 12-yr-old daughter reads
> > these things like popcorn, but then she is also a big Twilight fan.
>
> I can see some of the undead being big in romance books.
> Vampires can be dark and mysterious, and ghosts can be
> tragic and romantic. But I am having a hard time seeing
> zombies as a romantic lead. Can you enlighten me?
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: the original RomZomCom.
-Moriarty
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>
>
>Rebecca Rice <rebecc...@att.net> wrote:
>>I can see some of the undead being big in romance books.
>>Vampires can be dark and mysterious, and ghosts can be
>>tragic and romantic. But I am having a hard time seeing
>>zombies as a romantic lead. Can you enlighten me?
>
>...Piers Anthony managed it...
>
Mark Henry is currently managing it for some value of "romantic" lead.
(She has a love-life..)
htn963
> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better than
> most books by dead writers.
Obviously you're exaggerating, because no one could have read "most"
of all the books ever written by deceased authors.
(And FYI: Jane Austen contributed all the good parts, and Jane Austen
is dead.)
Why are you even reviewing this?
--
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Piwne Oczy Ma
> Jane Austen contributed all the good parts
Coming soon: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, the Good Parts Version.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Paul Colquhoun
Surely "Shaun of the Dead" predates this? OK, it *is* a movie instead of
a book.
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Howard Brazee
wrote:
>>But does it seem like it to the lawyers? Apparently there are a
>>bunch of "parody" XXX movies based upon TV shows that the young
>>performers have never seen. I guess the lawyers must have been
>>satisfied, but such movie makers have long ago found paying for good
>>writing was a waste.
>
>Frequently the only parody is the title -- but that also means there's
>no copyright violation, since titles aren't protected by copyright.
The article I read included an actress talking about getting
"Ginger's" mole added to her face. So I guess it's more than title.
Two of the other titles mentioned were Bewitched and Munsters, which I
imagine had nose twitching magic, and a Big Green Father.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>Coming soon: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, the Good Parts Version.
"Well, this spleen's okay, and there's nothing wrong with the femurs,
but I don't think there's anything worth saving in the abdominal
cavity -- all those viscera have to go."
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:48:41 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>But does it seem like it to the lawyers? Apparently there are a
>>>bunch of "parody" XXX movies based upon TV shows that the young
>>>performers have never seen. I guess the lawyers must have been
>>>satisfied, but such movie makers have long ago found paying for good
>>>writing was a waste.
>>
>>Frequently the only parody is the title -- but that also means there's
>>no copyright violation, since titles aren't protected by copyright.
>
>The article I read included an actress talking about getting
>"Ginger's" mole added to her face. So I guess it's more than title.
"Frequently" does not mean "always."
>Two of the other titles mentioned were Bewitched and Munsters, which I
>imagine had nose twitching magic, and a Big Green Father.
Green? I only saw "The Munsters" in black and white; was Herman
green?
Arthur
> : Arthur <art...@yahoo.com>
> : I'm waiting for
> : War and Peace and Zombies
> : Of Mice and Men and Zombies
> : The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
> : Foundation and Empire and Zombies
>
> Well OK, 2->3 clauses, but why neglect 1->2 cases?
> The Firm and Zombies.
How about
Tinker, Tailor Soldier, Spy, Zombie?
or
The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover and the Zombie!
Joseph Nebus
>: Arthur <art...@yahoo.com>
>: I'm waiting for
>: War and Peace and Zombies
>: Of Mice and Men and Zombies
>: The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
>: Foundation and Empire and Zombies
>Well OK, 2->3 clauses, but why neglect 1->2 cases?
>The Firm and Zombies.
Surely it should be The Firm Zombies, particularly if you
want to sell over in the Romance shelves where the money is.
--
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The Catcher And The Zombie In The Rye?
Kurt Busiek
What, you're going to be literal on the subject of the impossibility of
reading "most books by dead writers" and yet you're still willing to
declare which are the good parts in a book you haven't read?
> Why are you even reviewing this?
Because he read it and had reactions to share, I'd assume. And, of
course, not everything you disapprove of is off-limits to reviewers, no
matter how long you hold your breath.
P&P&Z is getting good enough response that it made #3 on the NYT
bestseller list and Seth Grahame-Smith got a two-book follow-up deal
for over half a million dollars. One of the books will reportedly be
called ABRAHAM LINCOLN: VAMPIRE HUNTER.
He'll also be writing for Marvel Comics.
In that, his co-author preceded him, as PRIDE & PREJUDICE (sans
zombies) is currently coming out from Marvel as a mini-series.
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Robert Carnegie
> I finished reading PaPaZ, and I've got to say that it is far better than
> most books by dead writers.
>
> Sensibility_ _Persuasion_ _Mansfield Park_ and other masterpieces of
> English Literature. Seth Grahame-Smith once took a class in English
> Literature." That pretty well sums up their respective contributions to
> the novel.
>
> Most of the book seemed somewhat faithful to the tone of the original, once
> you adjust, as adjust you must, for the increased tendency toward
> ruthlessness that the 55 year-old plague of zombies has caused.
>
> I think that what follows has been stated to avoid spoilers, but even at
> the risk, it must be said in any review of the book.
>
> It sems to me that Seth Grahame-Smith, the co-author, believes that Wickham
> had not been treated justly by Mr. Darcy in the original novel, and uses
> the rewritten book to see that he is at last given his due. Although
> understandable, it seems to me to detract from the authenticity of this
> second novelization of _Pride and Prejudice_ this time set in an England
> ravaged by a Plague of Zombies.
The 21st century may take a different view of propriety from Jane
Austen. The original Wickham is still a cunning villain, though.
It's possible to write a rotten pastiche of Jane Austen without
zombies. I've seen some.
However, Jane Austen's world was more or less at war in her books,
mostly against France. Hence the soldiers, including Wickham. I'm
going to guess that this version is against the zombies instead. Now
Wickham's grievance against Darcy was over not being appointed as a
Church of England priest, and he wasn't great material for it. The
main difference I can see zombies making is that you might want
exorcisms done, in a hurry, and perhaps he'd be good at that.
I suppose we also wonder which characters are zombies, perhaps
secretly, or end up as zombies. If they're the sort of zombies who
are controlled by an evil voodoo priestess then look no further than
Lady Catherine Damballagh. And "Mistah Collins, he dead." At least
from the neck up. And Mrs Collins doesn't look well either. But
perhaps my book is already more interesting than the one that got
printed.
There's something wrong with the New York Times best seller list,
surely... do you pay to be on it?
Arthur
>
> P&P&Z is getting good enough response that it made #3 on the NYT
> bestseller list and Seth Grahame-Smith got a two-book follow-up deal
> for over half a million dollars. One of the books will reportedly be
> called ABRAHAM LINCOLN: VAMPIRE HUNTER.
I saw a play once called Abraham Lincoln, Space Alien. I'm not sure of
the author. Arkansas Williams? Something like that.
Default User
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:01:44 +0200, "Piwne Oczy Ma" <pz...@neostrada.pl>
> wrote:
>
> > Coming soon: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, the Good Parts
> > Version.
>
> "Well, this spleen's okay, and there's nothing wrong with the femurs,
> but I don't think there's anything worth saving in the abdominal
> cavity -- all those viscera have to go."
So it's a "gut job"?
Brian
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PV
>Hmm. How did they get away with "Bored of the Rings"?
"Bored of the Rings" is a parody/satire, and has none of the original text
of LOTR in it, at least I don't remember it having any. PAPAZ has the vast
majority of the original book (I think I heard 83%), unaltered, included
inside it. *
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* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
Arthur
> > wrote:
>
> > > Coming soon: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, the Good Parts
> > > Version.
>
> > "Well, this spleen's okay, and there's nothing wrong with the femurs,
> > but I don't think there's anything worth saving in the abdominal
> > cavity -- all those viscera have to go."
>
> So it's a "gut job"?
I doubt I could stomach it.
PV
>How about
>Tinker, Tailor Soldier, Spy, Zombie?
>or
>The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover and the Zombie!
Why limit it to fiction?
Julia Childs' The Way to Cook for Zombies
I'm OK, You're a Zombie
Windows Vista for Dummies and Zombies
Jack Bohn
>On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:09:04 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>>>But does it seem like it to the lawyers? Apparently there are a
>>>>bunch of "parody" XXX movies based upon TV shows that the young
>>>>performers have never seen. I guess the lawyers must have been
>>>>satisfied, but such movie makers have long ago found paying for good
>>>>writing was a waste.
>>>
>
>>Two of the other titles mentioned were Bewitched and Munsters, which I
>>imagine had nose twitching magic, and a Big Green Father.
>
>Green? I only saw "The Munsters" in black and white; was Herman
>green?
They were made in black and white. Fred Gwynne could have had
greenish makeup that photographed as pallor in b&w, as I
understand Boris Karloff did.
Wait, there was a movie...
Yeah, it seems Munsters Go Home was in color, and it looks like
they all (except Marilyn, poor girl) had a greenish tint.
--
-Jack
Jack Bohn
>P&P&Z is getting good enough response that it made #3 on the NYT
>bestseller list and Seth Grahame-Smith got a two-book follow-up deal
>for over half a million dollars. One of the books will reportedly be
>called ABRAHAM LINCOLN: VAMPIRE HUNTER.
Ooo, I'll be all over that!
Hmm... looking in gutenberg for public domain Lincoln, I don't
see the Sandburg, or Morrow's Great Captain trilogy, I wonder
what he will use?
--
-Jack
Kurt Busiek
He'll probably just write it.
P&P&Z wasn't his first book, though it's his breakout book. He's said
he does'nt want to get typecast as "the mashup guy," so the Lincoln
book is probably a way to springboard off the popularity of P&P&Z
without repeating the mashup gag, and thus move him in a direction he
wants to go in.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> Kurt Busiek wrote:
>
>> P&P&Z is getting good enough response that it made #3 on the NYT
>> bestseller list and Seth Grahame-Smith got a two-book follow-up deal
>> for over half a million dollars. One of the books will reportedly be
>> called ABRAHAM LINCOLN: VAMPIRE HUNTER.
>
> Ooo, I'll be all over that!
The Rail-Splitter has a REASON to apply those wood-shaping skills.
HIS vampires can't be killed by little stakes.
Robert Carnegie
> P&P&Z wasn't his first book, though it's his breakout book. He's said
> he does'nt want to get typecast as "the mashup guy," so the Lincoln
> book is probably a way to springboard off the popularity of P&P&Z
> without repeating the mashup gag, and thus move him in a direction he
> wants to go in.
Well, if it's still zombies in America's Civil War, and every
schoolkid knows a bunch of stuff about Abraham Lincoln......
Abe also showed up in STAR TREK at least once, but I think he was
being simulated by some aliens doing a good-vs.-evil experiment.
Unless i'm thinking of someone else that every schoolkid has heard
about.
He's also met /lots/ of superheroes. Time travel being what it is.
Usually they come to him.
Kurt Busiek
> Kurt Busiek wrote:
>> P&P&Z wasn't his first book, though it's his breakout book. He's said
>> he does'nt want to get typecast as "the mashup guy," so the Lincoln
>> book is probably a way to springboard off the popularity of P&P&Z
>> without repeating the mashup gag, and thus move him in a direction he
>> wants to go in.
>
> Well, if it's still zombies in America's Civil War, and every
> schoolkid knows a bunch of stuff about Abraham Lincoln......
For values of "zombies" equivalent to "vampires."
kdb
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B97163.182...@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
> In article <6k455596f8fgf2aeu...@4ax.com>,
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:00:31 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
>> <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>> >My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
>> >was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>>
>> You don't think it will make money?
>>
>> Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
>> it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
>> out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
>> others.
>
> Read it.
>
> One Joke. Told within first five pages, then endlessly repeated.
ITYM told in the first sentence.
>
> Boring.
>
Jim Lovejoy
837db3...@r15g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
Is it your position that _P&P&Z_ is *not* fantasy?
The name of the newsgroup is *not* rec.arts.sf.good.written.
>
> --
> Ht
>
>
Robert Carnegie
> On 2009-07-07 17:47:24 -0700, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> said:
>
> > Kurt Busiek wrote:
> >> P&P&Z wasn't his first book, though it's his breakout book. He's said
> >> he does'nt want to get typecast as "the mashup guy," so the Lincoln
> >> book is probably a way to springboard off the popularity of P&P&Z
> >> without repeating the mashup gag, and thus move him in a direction he
> >> wants to go in.
>
> > Well, if it's still zombies in America's Civil War, and every
> > schoolkid knows a bunch of stuff about Abraham Lincoln......
>
> For values of "zombies" equivalent to "vampires."
>
> kdb
Ahk! My undeadist prejudice is exposed. Insensitive to their
individual cultural differences. "Necks to the wall, boys, there's
corpsies here!"
So. Not to be typecast as "the zombies in historical settings guy"
either.
But is it bad to be mainly known for doing one thing that kind of
works, versus not particularly known at all? Now if I was him I'd be
getting my name on "Wuthering Heights with ghosts". :-)
Robert Carnegie
> Warchild <b...@bob.com> wrote in news:bob-
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <6k455596f8fgf2aeutmiecj8k9asd83...@4ax.com>,
> > Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:00:31 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
> >> <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> >> >My immediate reaction to discovering that this existed was that it
> >> >was a bad idea to create it and a worse idea to publish it.
>
> >> You don't think it will make money?
>
> >> Any book with "zombie" in the title is an automatic skip for me - but
> >> it could be an automatic "look at" for others. With as many books
> >> out there as there are, the important thing isn't to find those
> >> others.
>
> > Read it.
>
> > One Joke. Told within first five pages, then endlessly repeated.
>
> ITYM told in the first sentence.
Ooh! Fair use! Fair use!
I presume it's basically either "It is a truth universally
acknowledged, ...", or "No-one would have believed, in the last years
of the eighteenth century, that..."
Anthony Frost
Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:09:04 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Two of the other titles mentioned were Bewitched and Munsters, which I
> >>imagine had nose twitching magic, and a Big Green Father.
> >
> >Green? I only saw "The Munsters" in black and white; was Herman
> >green?
>
> They were made in black and white. Fred Gwynne could have had
> greenish makeup that photographed as pallor in b&w, as I
> understand Boris Karloff did.
There were occasional references in the dialogue to Herman being a nice
shade of green.
Anthony
Anthony Nance
> On Jul 8, 4:22B am, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.comics> wrote:
>> On 2009-07-07 17:47:24 -0700, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> said\
:
>>
>> > Kurt Busiek wrote:
>> >> he does'nt want to get typecast as "the mashup guy," so the Lincoln
>> >> book is probably a way to springboard off the popularity of P&P&Z
>> >> without repeating the mashup gag, and thus move him in a direction he
>> >> wants to go in.
>>
>> > Well, if it's still zombies in America's Civil War, and every
>> > schoolkid knows a bunch of stuff about Abraham Lincoln......
>>
>> For values of "zombies" equivalent to "vampires."
>>
>> kdb
>
> Ahk! My undeadist prejudice is exposed. Insensitive to their
> individual cultural differences. "Necks to the wall, boys, there's
> corpsies here!"
>
> So. Not to be typecast as "the zombies in historical settings guy"
> either.
>
> But is it bad to be mainly known for doing one thing that kind of
> works, versus not particularly known at all? Now if I was him I'd be
> getting my name on "Wuthering Heights with ghosts". :-)
With on-screen version to be done in semaphore...
PV
>I presume it's basically either "It is a truth universally
>acknowledged, ...", or "No-one would have believed, in the last years
>of the eighteenth century, that..."
Good guess! "It is is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in
possession of brains must be in want of more brains. Never was this truth
more plain than during the recent attacks at Netherfield Park, in which a
household of eighteen was slaughtered and consumed by a horde of the living
dead."
Kurt Busiek
Apparently, his particular interests and ambitions are such that he
doesn't eant to go that route, and doesn't think it's a choice between
those two extremes.
Although WUTHERING HEIGHTS AND GHOSTS has the advantage of being an
easier conversion...
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>>The article I read included an actress talking about getting
>>"Ginger's" mole added to her face. So I guess it's more than title.
>
>"Frequently" does not mean "always."
>
>>Two of the other titles mentioned were Bewitched and Munsters, which I
>>imagine had nose twitching magic, and a Big Green Father.
>
>Green? I only saw "The Munsters" in black and white; was Herman
>green?
I very much doubt a porn movie would be in black and white. The easy
stereotype is green, so that's my guess. I suppose I could google...
Yep, Greenish. Sort of.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
>>The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover and the Zombie!
>
>Why limit it to fiction?
>
> Julia Childs' The Way to Cook for Zombies
> I'm OK, You're a Zombie
> Windows Vista for Dummies and Zombies
Frankenstein; or, the Modern Prometheus and Zombies
To serve man and zombies
Dead men and zombies don't wear plaid.
The seven Samurai and zombies
Kurt Busiek
> The seven Samurai and zombies
Now you're gettin' somewhere!
David DeLaney
>On 2009-07-08 15:45:47 -0700, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> said:
>> The seven Samurai and zombies
>
>Now you're gettin' somewhere!
_Mary Poppins Opens the Door and Zombies_?
Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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William December Starr
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) said:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
>> I presume it's basically either "It is a truth universally
>> acknowledged, ...", or "No-one would have believed, in the last
>> years of the eighteenth century, that..."
>
> Good guess! "It is is a truth universally acknowledged that a
> zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more
> brains. Never was this truth more plain than during the recent
> attacks at Netherfield Park, in which a household of eighteen was
> slaughtered and consumed by a horde of the living dead."
[sf/x: click, dial tone.]
-- wds
Anthony Nance
> On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:15:43 -0500, pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
>
>>>The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover and the Zombie!
>>
>>Why limit it to fiction?
>>
>> Julia Childs' The Way to Cook for Zombies
>> I'm OK, You're a Zombie
>> Windows Vista for Dummies and Zombies
>
>
> Frankenstein; or, the Modern Prometheus and Zombies
>
> To serve man and zombies
>
> Dead men and zombies don't wear plaid.
>
> The seven Samurai and zombies
Oh yeah, I've been having sporadic bits of fun with this all week:
Bertie and Jeeves and zombies
David Copperfield and zombies "Chapter 5 I Am Pursued By Zombies"
Flatland and zombies
And let us not ignore children's literature:
"...goodnight bears
goodnight chairs
goodnight zombies on the stairs
goodnight wall
goodnight ball
goodnight zombies in the hall..."
Chapter 3 In Which Pooh and Piglet Go Hunting and Meet a Zombie
"As I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, it seems zombies would
find me less interesting"
"B-b-but Pooh, it does seem to be coming your way"
"Oh bother"
Tony
Joe Pfeiffer
Are we sure most of Bertie's friends aren't zombies already?
Robert Carnegie
> The seven Samurai and zombies
_The Return of the Magnificent Seven... Uh-Oh_
_Guts of the Magnificent Seven_
_The Searchers... for Brains... Brains..._
_The Zombies that Ate Paris_
_Nobody Zombie_
_My Friend's Lich! Aaaaaa!_
_Four Weddings and a Zombie_
"Stop all the clocks; board up the window panes;
He has come back, but only for your brains..."
Anthony Nance
Yabbut, not the kind that create...well, not the kind who
aggressively...I mean, causing people to....
'Hmm', I say. I say 'hmm'.
Joe Pfeiffer
> On Jul 6, 2:31 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
>>
>> "Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
>> crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
>> carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
>> cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
>
>
> ONE MORE TIME-
>
> DeGaulle did not have any authroity in France. He was an *enemy* of
> Vichy. No letter signed by him would have any meaning whatsoever.
>
> The line was supposed to be General *Weygand*, but is universally
> misheard.
Including by the studio, if either
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/casablanca.pdf
or the English subtitles on the DVD can be believed. Looking at the
infamous wikipedia, it appears the French subtitles agree with you (now
that I know there's some doubt, I'll need to take a careful listen --
it's certainly always sounded like de Gaulle to me).
Kurt Busiek
A close listen indicates that he probably says "Weygand," but even
knowing that's who it should be, it's hard to say more than, "Yeah,
that could well be what he's saying."
When making a joke about it, though, it probably works better to go
with the version most people think they heard, for recognition value if
nothing else.
kdb
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David DeLaney
Side note: Stross' _Wireless_ collection of short stories, now out in
hardback, includes a Bertie-and-Jeeves-modelled intra-Sol-system space opera
story. I think it worked nicely; his afterword describes the degree of
difficulty in getting it to do so. No zombies, but there is a dwarf mammoth.
Wayne Throop
: Side note: Stross' _Wireless_ collection of short stories, now out in
: hardback, includes a Bertie-and-Jeeves-modelled intra-Sol-system space opera
: story. I think it worked nicely; his afterword describes the degree of
: difficulty in getting it to do so. No zombies, but there is a dwarf mammoth.
Any other sparkish artifacts?
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Joe Pfeiffer
> On 2009-07-09 13:02:25 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> said:
>
>> Shawn Wilson <ikono...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Jul 6, 2:31 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd rather see CASABLANCA VS. GODZILLA, though.
>>>>
>>>> "Did you hear, Rick? Out in the desert, two German couriers, found
>>>> crushed to death in a giant lizard footprint. Poor devils. They were
>>>> carrying letters of transit, signed by De Gaulle. Cannot be rescinded,
>>>> cannot even be questioned. Poor devils. Poor, poor devils..."
>>>
>>>
>>> ONE MORE TIME-
>>>
>>> DeGaulle did not have any authroity in France. He was an *enemy* of
>>> Vichy. No letter signed by him would have any meaning whatsoever.
>>>
>>> The line was supposed to be General *Weygand*, but is universally
>>> misheard.
>>
>> Including by the studio, if either
>> http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/casablanca.pdf
>> or the English subtitles on the DVD can be believed. Looking at the
>> infamous wikipedia, it appears the French subtitles agree with you (now
>> that I know there's some doubt, I'll need to take a careful listen --
>> it's certainly always sounded like de Gaulle to me).
>
> A close listen indicates that he probably says "Weygand," but even
> knowing that's who it should be, it's hard to say more than, "Yeah,
> that could well be what he's saying."
I spent a few minutes listening several times (after my post), and with
a lot of effort I can see how it could be meant as "Weygand". But it
sure sounds more like De Gaulle (to my native-English-speaking ears).
> When making a joke about it, though, it probably works better to go
> with the version most people think they heard, for recognition value
> if nothing else.
Yes.
Robert Carnegie
that's not fair. Not entirely. Notireally at all.
Nevertheless, in British TV comedy 'ALLO 'ALLO!, set inside an earnest
drama set in occupied France (at least partly SECRET ARMY), they
didn't seem to get tired of their routine sending him up (or maybe it
was frequent repeats of the show):
FIRST OCCUPIED FRENCHMAN: Then let us strike at the hated Germans!
Vive la France!
SECOND OCCUPIED FRENCHMAN: Vive de Gaulle!
FIRST OCCUPIED FRENCHMAN: Who? [Laughter.]
SECOND OCCUPIED FRENCHMAN: You know, the one with the big hooter. The
one who scarpered.
FIRST OCCUPIED FRENCHMAN: Ah. Vive him an' all. [Draws finger around
contour of imaginary large nose.]
But going by <http://www.alloallo.org.uk/episodes/s05e10.html>
where an occupied Frenchman is posing as a Vichy general, the
physiognomy appears to come with the job?
David DeLaney
>: d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney)
>: Side note: Stross' _Wireless_ collection of short stories, now out in
>: hardback, includes a Bertie-and-Jeeves-modelled intra-Sol-system space opera
>: story. I think it worked nicely; his afterword describes the degree of
>: difficulty in getting it to do so. No zombies, but there is a dwarf mammoth.
>
>Any other sparkish artifacts?
One of the protagonist's clank friends, if you listen closely, is wearing a
Dalek-y suit. So Sea Wasp will probably like it too.
Dave "clanky vs squishy" DeLaney
Chris Thompson
> Side note: Stross' _Wireless_ collection of short stories, now out in
> hardback, includes a Bertie-and-Jeeves-modelled intra-Sol-system space opera
> story. I think it worked nicely; his afterword describes the degree of
> difficulty in getting it to do so. No zombies, but there is a dwarf mammoth.
But surely introducing mammoths into SF is now known to be a sure sign
of the brain eater at work?
--
Chris Thompson
Email: cet1 [at] cam.ac.uk
netcat
Then he's lucky it's just a _dwarf_ mammoth.
rgds,
netcat
Joseph Nebus
>De Gaulle was with the Free French, but of course. In Britain. No,
>that's not fair. Not entirely. Notireally at all.
>Nevertheless, in British TV comedy 'ALLO 'ALLO!, set inside an earnest
>drama set in occupied France (at least partly SECRET ARMY), they
>didn't seem to get tired of their routine sending him up (or maybe it
>was frequent repeats of the show):
I never got tired of 'ALLO 'ALLO's bits where one character
would have to translate from the Britons who appeared (speaking, of
course, English on-screen) to the French characters (also speaking
English on-screen). Just as an amusing sideline there.
--
Joseph Nebus
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trag
Doh! I think you've just ruined that poem for me forever. I'll never
be able to hear a reading, without inserting that line....
trag
> Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.comics> wrote:
> >On 2009-07-08 15:45:47 -0700, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> said:
> >> The seven Samurai and zombies
>
> >Now you're gettin' somewhere!
>
> _Mary Poppins Opens the Door and Zombies_?
Office Space Full of Zombies
The Office of Zombies
Donovan's Brain and Zombies (A Banquet in Three Acts)
The Brain that Would Not Die, Despite Zombies
Remains of the Day of the Zombies
The Age of Innocent Zombies
The First Men in the Zombie
Big Zombies in Little China
The Zombie Princess Bride (with the Dread Zombie Roberts)
The Highlander Zombies
Kurt Busiek
> Remains of the Day of the Zombies
I know the idea is to get "zombies" in the title, but surely DAY OF THE
REMAINS is more elegant.
kdb
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Mark Stephen
You're quite sure it is not an animated silver cow creamer? Or possibly
the Empress of Blandings?
Mark
Robert Carnegie
Condemned to laugh during funeral services for the rest of your
life ;-)
trag
> On 2009-07-10 09:15:24 -0700, trag <t...@io.com> said:
>
> > Remains of the Day of the Zombies
>
> I know the idea is to get "zombies" in the title, but surely DAY OF THE
> REMAINS is more elegant.
Ah, yes, that is better.
Robert Carnegie
promoted TRUE BLOOD, "an American television drama series created and
produced by Alan Ball, based on the The Southern Vampire Mysteries
series of novels by Charlaine Harris"
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blood>
as "From the creators of SIX FEET UNDER". I don't know if the
impression is deliberately created there that this is, in a very
looose sense, the sequel??
(You wanna see if the title sequence of one morphs into the other...
vamp climbs out of the box, hotwires the hearse, races off with
Meatloaf on the CD player?)
(More likely, I'd expect a return of the fashion for coffins with a
latch, but on the outside now.)
James Nicoll
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>Fairly incidentally, British television viewers are just now getting
>promoted TRUE BLOOD, "an American television drama series created and
>produced by Alan Ball, based on the The Southern Vampire Mysteries
>series of novels by Charlaine Harris"
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blood>
>as "From the creators of SIX FEET UNDER". I don't know if the
>impression is deliberately created there that this is, in a very
>looose sense, the sequel??
Very loose, in that the two shows do not share setting, central
obsession, characters or continuity. And natural law appears to differ
as well.
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defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
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Chuk Goodin
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>as "From the creators of SIX FEET UNDER". I don't know if the
>impression is deliberately created there that this is, in a very
>looose sense, the sequel??
>
>(You wanna see if the title sequence of one morphs into the other...
>vamp climbs out of the box, hotwires the hearse, races off with
>Meatloaf on the CD player?)
I love the title sequence for _True Blood_. Sums up the show pretty well
(or at least the setting)...I still don't fast-forward through it.
--
chuk
Howard Brazee
Nicoll) wrote:
> Very loose, in that the two shows do not share setting, central
>obsession, characters or continuity. And natural law appears to differ
>as well.
I'm curious is natural law consistent within each series?
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
BCattivabrutto
> On Jul 5, 1:00 am, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <JqednXrDMrJvtM3XnZ2dnUVZ_g2dn...@nventure.com>,
> > Jim Lovejoy <nos...@devnull.spam> wrote:
>
> I'm waiting for
> War and Peace and Zombies
> Of Mice and Men and Zombies
> The Power and the Glory and The Zombies
> Foundation and Empire and Zombies
The Naked and the Undead
Yukon Jack
Pfeiffer <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
Trouble is, I forgot how de Gaulle sounded, other than a high tenor.
Yukon Jack
<85e21fbf-cf61-41e3...@c2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
Ah, yes, the scene in Rene's bistro.
Reminds me of a time when I worked in a test facility where several of
us sat in a row at a long desk doing various equipment tests. A black
guy from Texas named DJ sat at the left end and I sat in the third
seat. Between us was a guy named Martinon who was unwittingly such a
great straight-man to our constant ribbing. One day I called over to
DJ and told him you could tell Martinon was French because he had the
typical "de Gaulle nose." DJ, without skipping a beat, declared that
no, not true, all Martinon had was "de Gaulle." At which point
Martinon slapped his test gear down and stomped out for a quick nip in
the break room.
Sorry for the OT.
Yukon Jack
<nebusj-@-rpi-.edu> wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
> >De Gaulle was with the Free French, but of course. In Britain. No,
> >that's not fair. Not entirely. Notireally at all.
>
> >Nevertheless, in British TV comedy 'ALLO 'ALLO!, set inside an earnest
> >drama set in occupied France (at least partly SECRET ARMY), they
> >didn't seem to get tired of their routine sending him up (or maybe it
> >was frequent repeats of the show):
>
> I never got tired of 'ALLO 'ALLO's bits where one character
> would have to translate from the Britons who appeared (speaking, of
> course, English on-screen) to the French characters (also speaking
> English on-screen). Just as an amusing sideline there.
Yes, that was Officer Crabtree of the local gendarmerie, an English spy
disguised as a local cop and who thought he could speak French. His
tag line, as he entered the cafe, was "Good Moaning." Other good ones
were that he heard the bummers pissing overhead (bombers passing
overhead) and that Michelle from the French resistance had brooken her
log (broken her leg).
-YJ