Girl Genius 2011-05-20 Which way is north? (img url)
Ran Garoo
I would love to see the gazetteer legend for that.
tphile
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/strips/ggmain20110520b.jpg
>
> I would love to see the gazetteer legend for that.
meanwhile we have wolfenbach and the main force near a giant clank.
Mamma Gkikas has a giant sword on display.and we have The Barons story
about a giantess and a sword needed by Gil to defeat the evil witch.
I feel the storm clouds brewing.
hhmmmm ;-)
Robert Carnegie
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/strips/ggmain20110520b.jpg
>
> I would love to see the gazetteer legend for that.
Non-Wulfenbach assets are yellow.
Mechanicsburg main gate presumably is towards us, the castle is in the
centre of town, I'm not sure where the tradesman's entrance is that
Agatha et al came in by - the road is parallel to, looks down on, a
river valley with much touristy stuff. I'm not sure that the
illustration is meant to be that exact.
I know this is supposed to be central Europe but I'm sticking to the
idea that McAnicsburg corresponds to Edinburgh in Scotland, even if
the Foglios aren't - except for using the spelling "Mechanicsburgh" on
the side gate.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh>
By the way, did you notice what I suppose is defunct humanoid clank
just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
Anthony Nance
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/strips/ggmain20110520b.jpg
>
> I would love to see the gazetteer legend for that.
Neat details. Two questions:
1) The mountains do all the containing necessary to the east?
2) What is that humanoid shaped thing just southwest of M'burg?
Tony
Dorothy J Heydt
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On May 20, 5:19 am, Ran Garoo <ranga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/ggmain/strips/ggmain20110520b.jpg
>>
>> I would love to see the gazetteer legend for that.
>
>Non-Wulfenbach assets are yellow.
>
>Mechanicsburg main gate presumably is towards us, the castle is in the
>centre of town, I'm not sure where the tradesman's entrance is that
>Agatha et al came in by - the road is parallel to, looks down on, a
>river valley with much touristy stuff. I'm not sure that the
>illustration is meant to be that exact.
>
>I know this is supposed to be central Europe but I'm sticking to the
>idea that McAnicsburg corresponds to Edinburgh in Scotland, even if
>the Foglios aren't - except for using the spelling "Mechanicsburgh" on
>the side gate.
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh>
Cheyenne Wright's Map of Europa Wulfenbach
http://www.cafepress.com/girlgenius.37587942
places Mechanicsburg in the southeastern Carpathians, about
equidistant from Beetleburg (which doesn't exist in our universe)
and the Iron Gate (which does).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Gate_(Danube)
>
>By the way, did you notice what I suppose is defunct humanoid clank
>just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
He's not dead, he's only sleepin'!
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tphile
well the illustration better be exact or else Wooster and Wulfenbach
are gonna have an even harder time containing Mechanicsburg.but how
much can you expect from a cyclops jar head with no 3D vision?
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090306
Here we see mountain ranges evidently east of der kestel according to
that rising sun, and notched by Agathas Death Ray. The mountains on
the right look to few, to low to be them. The ones on the right must
be east though they look to far away and to high.
Obviously the largest airship on the left is Wulfenbach which is near
the largest ground force. Logically closest to The Hospital where the
Baron is.
the Giant Clank must be from a previous adventure and user of the the
giant sword in Gkikas. I am betting its gonna be a checkovs gun later
on when the fireworks start. Maybe a future home for Otilia too.
So where is Sturmhalten?
I am thinking Agatha and Co first arrived thru the bridge and gate at
the bottom of the page
J. Clarke
c2ba84...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com
says...
What is with the guy in white to the right above center? Is he
kneeling, amputated at mid-calf, or did somebody forget to draw boots?
Wayne Throop
:: just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
: He's not dead, he's only sleepin'!
Indeed. And since it's in yellow, it's most likely a Heterodyne artifact.
When I noticed it, it occured to me that it'd be nifty for it to...
"wake up" unexpectedly (to the Wulfenbach forces) at some point during
the fastivities.
Though... it also occured to me that given the posture it may have
been somethig that at one point in the past had *attacked* Mechanicsburg,
and is only shown in yellow as a non-Wulfenbach forces. But even so,
Agatha is good at clanks, so having her co-opt it at some point
would still be nifty.
See also the sequence starting here[1]:
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050902
though of course, that clank is not *nearly* as large as the one
depicted on the map table. I mean yeesh, it's maybe something near
half the length of Castle Wulfenbach!
[1] which I always took to be a tribute to Nausicaa... though I now
doubt my memory since I can't seem to google up the image of
Nausicaa climbing on a robot in the woods for salvage parts.
Ran Garoo
"Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!"
"Your world?" K. Reeves
tphile
Personally, that clank in the forest reminded me of Wizard of Oz, The
Tin Man and Tik Tok or of similar steampunk Steam Man of the Plains.
or Talos from Jason and the Argonauts
As to Nausicaa, you are most likely referring to the early scene
before she meets Lord Yupa. She enters the Toxic Forest to gather
spores for her experiments and finds a Ohmu Shell. Those large bug
gods that rule there.and their shells are used for building
materials. She removes the eye lens that will serve as a plane
canopy. There was also a skeleton of what looked like one of the Fire
Demons. but she was busy rescuing Lord Yupa from an angry Ohmu..
Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind had planes, tanks and such but no
robots. That was Laputa, Castle in the Sky.
As for the giank clank, making sure that isn't used in any battle
would be one of Woosters first priorites. Unless Klaus was hinting at
that in his story.
Dorothy J Heydt
>
>[1] which I always took to be a tribute to Nausicaa... though I now
> doubt my memory since I can't seem to google up the image of
> Nausicaa climbing on a robot in the woods for salvage parts.
You mean the anime character, don't you? Rather than the princess
of Phaeakia who befriended Odysseus? I don't know anything about
the former except what I saw on Google while trying to find the
latter so I could confirm how to spell Phaeakia. :)
Wayne Throop
:: doubt my memory since I can't seem to google up the image of Nausicaa
:: climbing on a robot in the woods for salvage parts.
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: You mean the anime character, don't you? Rather than the princess of
: Phaeakia who befriended Odysseus? I don't know anything about the
: former except what I saw on Google while trying to find the latter so
: I could confirm how to spell Phaeakia. :)
Yes, the Miyazaki flick. However, as somebody pointed out, my memory is
likely fried, since what's in the begining of "Nausicaa of the Valley of
the Winds" isn't a humanoid robot at all. Hm. I think I'm conflating
it with something or other, but I'm not sure what. But 1) anime
(or animated), and 2) female protagonist, and 3) climbing with rope and
harness on a ruined, large humanoid robot overgrown in a forest. Hm.
Of course, NotVotW did have the huge evil world-destroying humanoid
robots/golems[1] which figure in the plot towards the end there, so maybe
I'm just conflting the start with the end.
Though I suppose the notion of somebody climbing into the body of a
giant vaguely humanoid robot to repair or salvage it is almost cliche.
The recent computer-animated Astro Boy movie had just such a scene,
where Toby goes inside Zog to repair him. So there's no shortage of
places I could be conflating it from.
[1] I digress in passing to note that Diego's robots in Gunnerkrigg
Court, which have puzzled and vexed Kat for so long, turn out to be
golems (probably, more or less).
James Nicoll
>:: doubt my memory since I can't seem to google up the image of Nausicaa
>:: climbing on a robot in the woods for salvage parts.
>
>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>: You mean the anime character, don't you? Rather than the princess of
>: Phaeakia who befriended Odysseus? I don't know anything about the
>: former except what I saw on Google while trying to find the latter so
>: I could confirm how to spell Phaeakia. :)
>
>Yes, the Miyazaki flick. However, as somebody pointed out, my memory is
>likely fried, since what's in the begining of "Nausicaa of the Valley of
>the Winds" isn't a humanoid robot at all. Hm. I think I'm conflating
>it with something or other, but I'm not sure what. But 1) anime
>(or animated), and 2) female protagonist, and 3) climbing with rope and
>harness on a ruined, large humanoid robot overgrown in a forest. Hm.
>Of course, NotVotW did have the huge evil world-destroying humanoid
>robots/golems[1] which figure in the plot towards the end there, so maybe
>I'm just conflting the start with the end.
>
the Sky or Laputa: Castle in the Sky or Laputa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_in_the_Sky
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Robert Carnegie
> In article <c77f14f2-43eb-44ce-a578-c2ba84c21...@f15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >I know this is supposed to be central Europe but I'm sticking to the
> >idea that McAnicsburg corresponds to Edinburgh in Scotland, even if
> >the Foglios aren't - except for using the spelling "Mechanicsburgh" on
> >the side gate.
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh>
>
> Cheyenne Wright's Map of Europa Wulfenbach
>
> http://www.cafepress.com/girlgenius.37587942
>
> places Mechanicsburg in the southeastern Carpathians, about
> equidistant from Beetleburg (which doesn't exist in our universe)
> and the Iron Gate (which does).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Gate_(Danube)
Well, yeah - but /spiritually/.
(Also, town built on top of other parts of town, large castle on hill
in middle of town, bars with very scary people in them, public arts
performances. Gil vs. Zeetha = Festival Fringe. The Storm King opera
- no, wasn't that elsewhere?)
> >By the way, did you notice what I suppose is defunct humanoid clank
> >just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
>
> He's not dead, he's only sleepin'!
...is THAT The Sleepy Clank?? *blinks*
Greg Goss
>Mechanicsburg main gate presumably is towards us, the castle is in the
>centre of town, I'm not sure where the tradesman's entrance is that
>Agatha et al came in by - the road is parallel to, looks down on, a
>river valley with much touristy stuff. I'm not sure that the
>illustration is meant to be that exact.
I know that much of the town is connected to the castle. But is the
castle that structure in the center of town? That centered structure
only seems to have one tower, which has an opening in the only side we
can see. The mountaintop structure to the right of town has several
towers, which could be domed or onion-domed. People have to climb a
long ways from the main parts of the city to get to the castle, which
isn't shown for that central structure.
I'm assuming that the centered item is the doom bell tower.
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Wayne Throop
: I know that much of the town is connected to the castle. But is the
: castle that structure in the center of town? That centered structure
: only seems to have one tower, which has an opening in the only side we
: can see. The mountaintop structure to the right of town has several
: towers, which could be domed or onion-domed. People have to climb a
: long ways from the main parts of the city to get to the castle, which
: isn't shown for that central structure.
:
: I'm assuming that the centered item is the doom bell tower.
I think the structure in the middle of the town is far
too large to be the doom bell tower. It may not look as much
like the castle as one might wish, but I think that's what it is,
and the details are obscured by distance.
By the way, I suspect the guy in the bucket overlooking the
map is one of the "deep thinkers" mentioned here.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060327
"Who else does know?"
"Boris, the Bug Squad commanders, and the Deep Thinkers."
Maybe not, but still I suspect so.
David DeLaney
>Mechanicsburg main gate presumably is towards us, the castle is in the
>centre of town, I'm not sure where the tradesman's entrance is that
>Agatha et al came in by - the road is parallel to, looks down on, a
>river valley with much touristy stuff. I'm not sure that the
>illustration is meant to be that exact.
...if this is a war room, and I am QUITE sure it's meant to be one, then it's
meant to be as exact as possible modulo people being able to understand it
(obSF: Z9M9Z), but might not be as exact as the operator(s) want.
>By the way, did you notice what I suppose is defunct humanoid clank
>just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
Yes - someone at some point DID build one larger than Mr. Tock.
Dave "which leads me to wonder what ELSE is lying around here and there from
the Heterodyne dynasty" DeLaney
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David DeLaney
>rja.ca...@excite.com says...
>> By the way, did you notice what I suppose is defunct humanoid clank
>> just picture-south of position 90? Wow.
>
>What is with the guy in white to the right above center? Is he
>kneeling, amputated at mid-calf, or did somebody forget to draw boots?
None of the above. He's a little person.
"...all these little people, little people all AROUND me! And I said 'who ARE
you weird little wonders?'" - Tom 'T-Bone' Stankus
Dave
Robert A. Woodward
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
No, it is the main tower of Castle Heterodyne, see
<http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070321>, the rest
of the castle (including the domes and minor towers) are behind it.
--
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<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
David Goldfarb
>likely fried, since what's in the begining of "Nausicaa of the Valley of
>the Winds" isn't a humanoid robot at all. Hm. I think I'm conflating
>it with something or other, but I'm not sure what. But 1) anime
>(or animated), and 2) female protagonist, and 3) climbing with rope and
>harness on a ruined, large humanoid robot overgrown in a forest. Hm.
>Of course, NotVotW did have the huge evil world-destroying humanoid
>robots/golems[1] which figure in the plot towards the end there, so maybe
>I'm just conflting the start with the end.
There *are* inactive God Warriors in the forest at the beginning, and
Nausicaa does climb on one of them, so I'd say that's what you're remembering.
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Wayne Throop
: There *are* inactive God Warriors in the forest at the beginning, and
: Nausicaa does climb on one of them, so I'd say that's what you're
: remembering.
Eh, now I have to find a source and see it again.
Because once it was pointed out, the "salvage" I remember was the glass
dome thingie, which wasn't from the humanoid. So I need to untamgle
my memories. So it goes.
tphile
> : goldf...@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Look on Youtube, there are plenty of entries and trailers. The God
Warriors were not clanks but biological creations, remember they found
one surviving Lady Kushanas crashed aircraft and what the big fight in
the anime was over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausica%C3%A4_of_the_Valley_of_the_Wind_(film)
see the poster. That horned skull of a god warrior is where she later
climbed to find out where Lord Yupa was.
The glass dome thingie was from the eye shell carcass of a dead Ohmu.
the giant bugs that ruled the toxic forest. but feel free to watch
the movie again, its a classic and well worth owning.
tphile
Greg Goss
Hmmm. There doesn't seem to be enough hill under it. If that's the
Kessel, then there's some incredible sized building with triple or
more the volume of the castle against the far wall.
tphile
You should use wikipedia as another source for information and scenes
and trailers can be watched on youtube.
but this should, can and must be said about Nausicaa and the Valley of
the Wind. It is a classic and brilliant anime movie just like all of
creator Miyazaki films are. With good reason he is often referred to
as the Disney of Japan.
As great as the anime film is, it is but a condensed abridged reader
digest version of his Manga version of the tale.
The Nausicaa manga was written and drawn by him from 1982 to 1994 in
seven volumes and a truly classic epic masterpiece adventure that
ranks up there with others including LotR in every catagory. and its
available in america and in english. Anyone who has not read it is
missing out on a great read.
I would also suggest another possible Girl Genius connection. Soon
Agatha is gonna leave for Paris and England maybe by airship, but my
bet is she is gonna take a hint from Howl's Moving Castle. Remember
the scene where der kestel wished it was a Mongel Yurt travel lodge so
it could sightsee. Well I expect a part of it will find a way.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090313
tphile
Dorothy J Heydt
tphile <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>On May 20, 12:51 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <1305906...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thro...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>
>> >[1] which I always took to be a tribute to Nausicaa... though I now
>> > doubt my memory since I can't seem to google up the image of
>> > Nausicaa climbing on a robot in the woods for salvage parts.
>>
>> You mean the anime character, don't you? Rather than the princess
>> of Phaeakia who befriended Odysseus? I don't know anything about
>> the former except what I saw on Google while trying to find the
>> latter so I could confirm how to spell Phaeakia. :)
>>
>and trailers can be watched on youtube.
But the cursory google told me all I needed to know about the
other Nausicaa: that it's an anime.
And knowing Wayne, I figured he was *probably* talking about the
anime, but I wanted to make sure.
Robert A. Woodward
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
To begin with, this display has an exaggerated vertical dimension
(note the slopes on the mountains). I think that significant
buildings have been exaggerated even further.
Robert Carnegie
> In article <93pbqcF86...@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> > >In article <93ocgiFnm...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
> > >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >Mechanicsburg main gate presumably is towards us, the castle is in the
> > >> >centre of town, I'm not sure where the tradesman's entrance is that
> > >> >Agatha et al came in by - the road is parallel to, looks down on, a
> > >> >river valley with much touristy stuff. I'm not sure that the
> > >> >illustration is meant to be that exact.
>
> > >> I know that much of the town is connected to the castle. But is the
> > >> castle that structure in the center of town? That centered structure
> > >> only seems to have one tower, which has an opening in the only side we
> > >> can see. The mountaintop structure to the right of town has several
> > >> towers, which could be domed or onion-domed. People have to climb a
> > >> long ways from the main parts of the city to get to the castle, which
> > >> isn't shown for that central structure.
>
> > >> I'm assuming that the centered item is the doom bell tower.
>
> > >No, it is the main tower of Castle Heterodyne, see
> > ><http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070321>, the rest
> > >of the castle (including the domes and minor towers) are behind it.
>
> > Hmmm. There doesn't seem to be enough hill under it. If that's the
> > Kessel, then there's some incredible sized building with triple or
> > more the volume of the castle against the far wall.
>
> To begin with, this display has an exaggerated vertical dimension
> (note the slopes on the mountains). I think that significant
> buildings have been exaggerated even further.
Then you'd expect the Castle drawn large in the town - except that
we've established that in terms of civil utilities and the like, the
Castle and town are one and the same. Like, when it broke, everything
stopped.
Paul Ciszek
In article <ea0c0448-74af-48ae...@28g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>Then you'd expect the Castle drawn large in the town - except that
>we've established that in terms of civil utilities and the like, the
>Castle and town are one and the same. Like, when it broke, everything
>stopped.
So, have the townfolk noticed anything coming back online lately?
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Robert Carnegie
> In article <ea0c0448-74af-48ae-bb6f-11d600dae...@28g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Then you'd expect the Castle drawn large in the town - except that
> >we've established that in terms of civil utilities and the like, the
> >Castle and town are one and the same. Like, when it broke, everything
> >stopped.
>
> So, have the townfolk noticed anything coming back online lately?
I just checked if there was a scene showing street lights now on
again, but nothing's been shown.
Dorothy J Heydt
Well, there are lights on in the Hospital.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110506
There are lights on in Mamma Gkika's, since it's underground and
would otherwise be pitch black in there.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110518
Same for inside de Kessel itself -- I'm sure it does have
windows, but our heroes aren't anywhere near one.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110422
The last time we saw an exterior shot it was daytime --
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110404
see panels 2 and 3, where the blue daytime sky is visible. So we
can't tell.
Maybe the Hospital, the bar, and de Kessel all have emergency
generators. Particularly the Hospital, since Dr. Sun is a
schmott guy.
tphile
> In article <a06bda40-53c2-4777-b9d4-8c8772a65...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
In the perfect coffee scene, The Assistant Whatshername mentioned "The
Power Station", so yes Mechanicsburg has another power source, no
doubt needed especially when der kestel was attacked. Der kestel has
been operating on batteries since then and of course has command and
control over the city systems. Hospitals and other emergency services
would include their own emergency power and utilties systems,
Logically The Hospital should be close to the town center and by the
main streets, to provide quick and easy access to patients and far
away from the city wall making it vulnerable to enemy action.
btw we know how formidable The Torchmen are, and looking back we can
see them as innocent harmless decorations on the city lights in the
city scenes. So we should wonder what other innocent seemingly
harmless looking decorations or features will turn out to be something
otherwise. the trilobyte sigils for example seem typical decorations
and badges but they also are sophisticated security devices. The Pink
Ship had a trilobyte badge but The Torchmen clearly recognized it as
false and immediately set out to destroy it. So there must be
sophisticated tech built into all of them just like Agathas locket.
Dorothy J Heydt
tphile <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>On May 22, 4:18 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article
><a06bda40-53c2-4777-b9d4-8c8772a65...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I just checked if there was a scene showing street lights now on
>> >again, but nothing's been shown.
>>
>> Well, there are lights on in the Hospital.
>>
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110506
>>
>> There are lights on in Mamma Gkika's, since it's underground and
>> would otherwise be pitch black in there.
>>
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110518
>>
>> Same for inside de Kessel itself -- I'm sure it does have
>> windows, but our heroes aren't anywhere near one.
>>
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110422
>>
>> The last time we saw an exterior shot it was daytime --
>>
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110404
>>
>> see panels 2 and 3, where the blue daytime sky is visible. So we
>> can't tell.
>>
>> Maybe the Hospital, the bar, and de Kessel all have emergency
>> generators. Particularly the Hospital, since Dr. Sun is a
>> schmott guy.
>>
>Power Station", so yes Mechanicsburg has another power source, no
>doubt needed especially when der kestel was attacked. Der kestel has
>been operating on batteries since then and of course has command and
>control over the city systems. Hospitals and other emergency services
>would include their own emergency power and utilties systems,
>Logically The Hospital should be close to the town center and by the
>main streets, to provide quick and easy access to patients and far
>away from the city wall making it vulnerable to enemy action.
>
>btw we know how formidable The Torchmen are, and looking back we can
>see them as innocent harmless decorations on the city lights in the
>city scenes. So we should wonder what other innocent seemingly
>harmless looking decorations or features will turn out to be something
>otherwise. the trilobyte sigils for example seem typical decorations
>and badges but they also are sophisticated security devices. The Pink
>Ship had a trilobyte badge but The Torchmen clearly recognized it as
>false and immediately set out to destroy it. So there must be
>sophisticated tech built into all of them just like Agathas locket.
s/all/many/g
Remember that many real, honest-to-goodness fossil trilobites
(class +Trilobita) abound in the ground surrounding Mechanicsburg;
that's why they were chosen as the symbol of the town and of the
Heterodynes. I am sure that many of the trilobites worn by
Mechanicsburgers are genuine fossils. And that many others are
just simple ornaments, probably cast in a mold by the local
jeweler. And that many OTHERS are nothing of the kind.
Wayne Throop
:: recognized it as false and immediately set out to destroy it. So
:: there must be sophisticated tech built into all of them just like
:: Agathas locket.
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: s/all/many/g
:
: Remember that many real, honest-to-goodness fossil trilobites (class
: +Trilobita) abound in the ground surrounding Mechanicsburg; that's why
: they were chosen as the symbol of the town and of the Heterodynes. I
: am sure that many of the trilobites worn by Mechanicsburgers are
: genuine fossils. And that many others are just simple ornaments,
: probably cast in a mold by the local jeweler. And that many OTHERS
: are nothing of the kind.
I imagine that the Torchmen could have some other reason to conclude
forgery besides the nature of the insignia itself. Genuine Heterodyne air
ships may have aetheric IFF devices the Pink Airship lacked, for example,
so the insignia would be a forgery because it was on a non-IFFed airshp,
not because of the insignia in and of itself. Which in turn would mean
there may be no particular security features about insignia in and of
themselves generally.
Hence possibly even s/many/vanishingly few/g
tphile
> :: The Pink Ship had a trilobyte badge but The Torchmen clearly
> :: recognized it as false and immediately set out to destroy it. So
> :: there must be sophisticated tech built into all of them just like
> :: Agathas locket.
>
> : s/all/many/g
> :
> : Remember that many real, honest-to-goodness fossil trilobites (class
> : +Trilobita) abound in the ground surrounding Mechanicsburg; that's why
> : they were chosen as the symbol of the town and of the Heterodynes. I
> : am sure that many of the trilobites worn by Mechanicsburgers are
> : genuine fossils. And that many others are just simple ornaments,
> : probably cast in a mold by the local jeweler. And that many OTHERS
> : are nothing of the kind.
>
> I imagine that the Torchmen could have some other reason to conclude
> forgery besides the nature of the insignia itself. Genuine Heterodyne air
> ships may have aetheric IFF devices the Pink Airship lacked, for example,
> so the insignia would be a forgery because it was on a non-IFFed airshp,
> not because of the insignia in and of itself. Which in turn would mean
> there may be no particular security features about insignia in and of
> themselves generally.
>
> Hence possibly even s/many/vanishingly few/g
Take a look again at the torchmen page
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080728
We see thru the eyes of a torchman, It visually locks on the pink
airship heterodyne mark and says "Heterodyne Mark . . .False . . . .
Destroy"
Yes there could be other IFF devices but that points at the insignia
in and of itself. it's more than just a symbol or decoration
Wayne Throop
: Take a look again at the torchmen page
: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=3D20080728 We see thru
: the eyes of a torchman, It visually locks on the pink airship
: heterodyne mark and says "Heterodyne Mark . . .False . . . .
: Destroy" Yes there could be other IFF devices but that points at the
: insignia in and of itself. it's more than just a symbol or decoration
Right. It focuses on the insignia, recognizes that it is a trilobite,
but there was no iff in the display (hey, you saw it, ni IFF in the
display), so it consulted its mighty reasining engine and concluded the
insignia was fake.
What else could the torch-etepview possibly have been depicting?
Nothing else, that's what.
Robert A. Woodward
<bf9fad1b-16bf-4ff8...@z19g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>
,
tphile <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
Looks to me that "False" is in a Castle Heterodyne word balloon -
note that it is a double balloon with the outer having a gray
background.
Greg Goss
> tphile <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> Take a look again at the torchmen page
>> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080728
>> We see thru the eyes of a torchman, It visually locks on the pink
>> airship heterodyne mark and says "Heterodyne Mark . . .False . . . .
>> Destroy"
>
>Looks to me that "False" is in a Castle Heterodyne word balloon -
>note that it is a double balloon with the outer having a gray
>background.
I didn't notice the colour change or the 3-D border or the rounded
corners. But i did notice the "accent marks" around the balloon were
rectangular for the torchman and irregular for the IFF response, as if
the conclusion was coming from somewhere else.
Robert Carnegie
The torchmen are semi-autonomous, fairly dumb...
...would it be a problem that once the Heterodyne Boys turned good,
Mechanicsburg itself is spattered with trilobites for the benefit of
tourists?
Or are they still authentic ones, and it's some detail of the design
on the airship that the torchmen detected as fake?
I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH. A little less
significantly, perhaps, Agatha, Gil, and the Castle prisoners often
don't have their locket, engagement ring, or prison collar drawn on.
So I'll offer the "theory" without that level of evidence.
David Goldfarb
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
>undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
>has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH.
Have you ever noticed what the section title is on the drop-down menu
for that part of the comic? "Yes, It's On Purpose". Apparently the
city used to be spelled with an H and at some point it changed. You
may think that implausible, but it's not mockable as an error.
--
David Goldfarb |"Come on, characters with super-strength don't
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | *do* inertia! Or leverage."
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Dani Zweig
Robert Carnegie
> In article <7e0048ea-b2a3-4901-be5d-40c983aa4...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
> >undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
> >has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH.
>
> Have you ever noticed what the section title is on the drop-down menu
> for that part of the comic? "Yes, It's On Purpose". Apparently the
> city used to be spelled with an H and at some point it changed. You
> may think that implausible, but it's not mockable as an error.
Well, I keep a very open mind when someone says "I meant to do that."
Also, the Foglios put online a bunch of sketches and little notes
shared between them, mostly by Professor Phil. Which means we get to
see his handwriting. It's graceful, it's neat - but...... well,
anyway. No one in the story has commented yet. I think I can still
reasonably believe that they drew it and then could not face fixing it.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
> In article <7e0048ea-b2a3-4901...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
>> undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
>> has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH.
>
> Have you ever noticed what the section title is on the drop-down menu
> for that part of the comic? "Yes, It's On Purpose". Apparently the
> city used to be spelled with an H and at some point it changed. You
> may think that implausible, but it's not mockable as an error.
There's nothing implausible about it. Fort Duquesne became Fort Pitt,
then Pittsburg, then Pittsburgh, then Pittsburg again, and finally
Pittsburgh.
Robert Carnegie
> On 2011-05-23 18:05:26 -0400, David Goldfarb said:
>
> > Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> >> I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
> >> undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
> >> has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH.
>
> > Have you ever noticed what the section title is on the drop-down menu
> > for that part of the comic? "Yes, It's On Purpose". Apparently the
> > city used to be spelled with an H and at some point it changed. You
> > may think that implausible, but it's not mockable as an error.
>
> There's nothing implausible about it. Fort Duquesne became Fort Pitt,
> then Pittsburg, then Pittsburgh, then Pittsburg again, and finally
> Pittsburgh.
Yeah, but the Big Can, here, apparently was continuously controlled by
the Heterodynes since the first Castle was constructed. And would you
change the name if you /had/ done the big carving?
But I have to grant they changed the spelling of "Heterodyne", from
something in the earliest days that sounds like you're choking on a
fish bone.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
> On May 24, 5:58 am, Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2011-05-23 18:05:26 -0400, David Goldfarb said:
>>
>>> In article <7e0048ea-b2a3-4901-be5d-40c983aa4...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd look more closely for the little giveaway error, but, well, I
>>>> undertook not to mock someone's spelling, but the city's lesser gate
>>>> has a huge carving of the word MECHANICSBURGH.
>>
>>> Have you ever noticed what the section title is on the drop-down menu
>>> for that part of the comic? "Yes, It's On Purpose". Apparently the
>>> city used to be spelled with an H and at some point it changed. You
>>> may think that implausible, but it's not mockable as an error.
>>
>> There's nothing implausible about it. Fort Duquesne became Fort Pitt,
>> then Pittsburg, then Pittsburgh, then Pittsburg again, and finally
>> Pittsburgh.
>
> Yeah, but the Big Can, here, apparently was continuously controlled by
> the Heterodynes since the first Castle was constructed. And would you
> change the name if you /had/ done the big carving?
Pittsburgh has been continuously American through the last three name
changes. The Heterodynes haven't necessarily been a model of family
harmony; maybe one of them said, "Now that Dad's gone we can get rid of
that stupid 'H' he stuck on the name!"
> But I have to grant they changed the spelling of "Heterodyne", from
> something in the earliest days that sounds like you're choking on a
> fish bone.
Exactly.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
J. Clarke
35g2000prp.googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com says...
Bear in mind that Shakespeare would use three different spellings of a
word in a single play, and he was a professional wordsmith. Heck, he
wasn't even consistent with his _name_.
Dictionaries as we know them are relatively modern, as is the
regularized spelling that results from thier use--the Oxford wasn't
complete until the 1920s. Perhaps in Europa Wulfenbach they didn't even
exist. Or perhaps there were sparky lexicographers fighting wars over
whose dictionary would govern.
Robert Carnegie
> In article <30224782-b67a-433d-9a28-02905bcb76a3@
Okay, then, okay - Phil Foglio is a writer of Shakespearean standard.
Artist too: <http://books.google.com/books/about/
The_Klingon_Hamlet.html>
tphile
> In article <30224782-b67a-433d-9a28-02905bcb76a3@
>
> - Show quoted text -
or maybe the signs and lettering are done by Jagers. You or anyone
here want to tell Mamma Gkika she is a bad speller?