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Sound of Trumpet

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Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”

Examiner ^ | May 15, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank

Posted on 10 July 2010 17:29:54 by MarianoApologeticus

Albuquerque’s local all things liberal publication “The Weekly Alibi”
reported on a local “workshop on thoughtful ways to raise
intellectually curious children outside of a religious faith” via the
atheist catechism in the form of the book “Parenting Beyond Belief: On
Raising Children Without Religion” which was an “event, sponsored by
the Humanist Society of New Mexico.”

As much research as uncovered, “raise intellectually curious
children…” is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they
want to raise their children to be atheists. Of course, research has
also uncovered that some atheist parents are not at all shy about this
fact.

Thus, after campaign after bus ad campaign, after billboard campaign
besmirching religious parents as “child abusers” and “brain washers”
many atheists parents are doing the very same things of which they
accuse others: indoctrinating their children even whilst under the
thinly veneered disguise of freethinking, critical thinking,
intellectual curiosity or whatever may be the latest PC tactic de
jour.

For the research to which the above referred see Atheist Child Rearing
and the relevant portions of Atheist Bus Ads and Bill Boards.

Note:
[1] Erin Adair-Hodges, “Reading Is Fun-damental,” The Weekly Alibi, V.
19, No.15, April 15 - 21, 2010

Virgil

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In article
<3bd215f0-968c-4542...@u26g2000yqu.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@post.com> wrote:

The "Sound of Trumpet" is just curled up that way so he can blow his own
horn.

Uncle Vic

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Jul 10, 2010, 3:23:28 PM7/10/10
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@post.com>
wrote:

> As much research as uncovered, "raise intellectually curious
> children." is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they


> want to raise their children to be atheists.

And there's something wrong with that?

--
Uncle Vic
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--Frankie Lee 7/6/10

IAAH

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Jul 10, 2010, 3:42:42 PM7/10/10
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Damn. The only thing stupider than that article is some
of the Freeper comments on that page.

--

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is
rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon;
it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and
flies back to its flock to claim victory."
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whocares

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Jul 10, 2010, 4:12:34 PM7/10/10
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On Jul 10, 1:36 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@post.com> wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2550190/posts
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> Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”

There's something about the power of making choices that overly
religious hate; when their children question their inanity.

Stan-O

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Jul 10, 2010, 4:19:58 PM7/10/10
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT), Sound of Trumpet
<soundof...@post.com> wrote:
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>
>As much research as uncovered, “raise intellectually curious
>children…” is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they
>want to raise their children to be atheists. Of course, research has
>also uncovered that some atheist parents are not at all shy about this
>fact.

You got a problem with people raising their kids the way they want?

SkyEyes

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Jul 10, 2010, 5:02:52 PM7/10/10
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On Jul 10, 11:36 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@post.com> wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2550190/posts
>
> Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”
>
> Examiner ^ | May 15, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank
>
> Posted on 10 July 2010 17:29:54 by MarianoApologeticus
>
> Albuquerque’s local all things liberal publication “The Weekly Alibi”
> reported on a local “workshop on thoughtful ways to raise
> intellectually curious children outside of a religious faith” via the
> atheist catechism in the form of the book “Parenting Beyond Belief: On
> Raising Children Without Religion” which was an “event, sponsored by
> the Humanist Society of New Mexico.”

Good. Children don't need to be indoctrinated into superstition.

> As much research as uncovered, “raise intellectually curious
> children…” is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they
> want to raise their children to be atheists. Of course, research has
> also uncovered that some atheist parents are not at all shy about this
> fact.

Yes, that is correct. In the U.S., parents get to decide how their
children should be raised and what they should be taught.

> Thus, after campaign after bus ad campaign, after billboard campaign
> besmirching religious parents as “child abusers” and “brain washers”

Which they *are*. I am a victim of religious brainwashing, although I
would stop short at calling my late parents "child abusers." They
(like you) thought they knew what was best for me, and proceeded to
brainwash me into believing that the world operated by the "will of
God" and on magical principles.

Getting un-brainwashed was a long and difficult process, and it
created a divide between me and my parents.

However, reality won out over superstition, so here I am to testify to
the odiousness of teaching religion/superstition/magic to children.

> many atheists parents are doing the very same things of which they
> accuse others: indoctrinating their children even whilst under the
> thinly veneered disguise of freethinking, critical thinking,
> intellectual curiosity or whatever may be the latest PC tactic de
> jour.

Which is their right in the U.S.

Now kindly FOAD, Strumpet. Nobody wants to hear your superstitious
drive in alt.atheism.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

W.T.S.

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Jul 10, 2010, 5:20:44 PM7/10/10
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundof...@post.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2550190/posts
>
> Atheist child indoctrination, ?child abuse,? and ?brain washing?

>
> Examiner ^ | May 15, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank
>
> Posted on 10 July 2010 17:29:54 by MarianoApologeticus
>
> Albuquerque?s local all things liberal publication ?The Weekly Alibi?
> reported on a local ?workshop on thoughtful ways to raise
> intellectually curious children outside of a religious faith? via the
> atheist catechism in the form of the book ?Parenting Beyond Belief: On
> Raising Children Without Religion? which was an ?event, sponsored by
> the Humanist Society of New Mexico.?
>
At last! The right and proper way to to raise children! I must subscribe
to that publication. After all, someone needs to explain to children that
people who believe in "God" have turds for brains.
Church, filth. Atheism, purity!
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Christopher A. Lee

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Jul 10, 2010, 6:25:08 PM7/10/10
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:23:28 -0500, Uncle Vic <add...@withheld.com>
wrote:

>One fine day in alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@post.com>
>wrote:
>
>> As much research as uncovered, "raise intellectually curious
>> children." is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they
>> want to raise their children to be atheists.
>
>And there's something wrong with that?

Wy do these liars pretend atheist kids need to be indoctrinated not to
believe?

All it takes is not to indoctrinate them into theism.


panam...@hotmail.com

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Jul 10, 2010, 6:32:50 PM7/10/10
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On Jul 10, 2:36 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@post.com> wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2550190/posts
>
> Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”
>
> Examiner ^ | May 15, 2010 AD | Mariano Grinbank
>
> Posted on 10 July 2010 17:29:54 by MarianoApologeticus
>
> Albuquerque’s local all things liberal publication “The Weekly Alibi”
> reported on a local “workshop on thoughtful ways to raise
> intellectually curious children outside of a religious faith” via the
> atheist catechism in the form of the book “Parenting Beyond Belief: On
> Raising Children Without Religion” which was an “event, sponsored by
> the Humanist Society of New Mexico.”

Sounds like it beats the hell out of sending them down to the CYO to
get raped...

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!

Spartakus

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Jul 10, 2010, 10:34:59 PM7/10/10
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@post.com> wrote:

> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2550190/posts
>
> Atheist child indoctrination, “child abuse,” and “brain washing”

Child indoctrination? Brain washing? Pack those children off to
Vacation Bible School! Soonest!

William December Starr

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In article <d229ca39-861f-432b...@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@post.com> quoted Mariano Grinbank:

> Albuquerque's local all things liberal publication "The
> Weekly Alibi" reported on a local "workshop on thoughtful
> ways to raise intellectually curious children outside of a
> religious faith" via the atheist catechism

And the needle on the kookometer once again gets pinned.

-- wds

Seon

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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <d229ca39-861f-432b...@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> Sound of Trumpet <soundof...@post.com> quoted Mariano Grinbank:
>
>> Albuquerque's local all things liberal publication "The
>> Weekly Alibi" reported on a local "workshop on thoughtful
>> ways to raise intellectually curious children outside of a
>> religious faith" via the atheist catechism
>

It's you religious arseholes who commit child abuse by indoctrinating them
into your childish myths and fairy tales. Children feel the effect of your
brainwashing until adulthood. There is nothing wrong with raising a child to
respect science and to embrace it and showing them that science can be
proven or disproven, religion can't.

Howard Brazee

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Jul 11, 2010, 11:31:42 AM7/11/10
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:19:35 +1000, "Seon" <seonfe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>It's you religious arseholes who commit child abuse by indoctrinating them
>into your childish myths and fairy tales. Children feel the effect of your
>brainwashing until adulthood. There is nothing wrong with raising a child to
>respect science and to embrace it and showing them that science can be
>proven or disproven, religion can't.

It's those *other* religions that do this. My religion isn't
indoctrination, just telling the facts. It's not my fault that
outsiders can't see which religion is the TRUTH and which are fantasy.

--
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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Quadibloc

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Jul 11, 2010, 1:56:06 PM7/11/10
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On Jul 10, 12:36 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@post.com> wrote:

> As much research as uncovered, “raise intellectually curious
> children…” is a way for atheist parents to hide the fact that they
> want to raise their children to be atheists. Of course, research has
> also uncovered that some atheist parents are not at all shy about this
> fact.

If atheists want to take control of the school system and turn your
kids into atheists, I would favor your cause to stop them.

However, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You don't get to
tamper with _their_ children either.

John Savard

Quadibloc

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Also, "raise intellectually curious children" is _worse_ than just a
code word for raising atheist children!

It's an implied claim that children don't need to be indoctrinated
into atheism, but instead they will naturally be atheists if they
learn to think for themselves! Ah, it took "much research" for you to
uncover this because one has to be steeped in the atheist mind-set to
understand this meaning.

John Savard

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Jul 11, 2010, 2:37:25 PM7/11/10
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 17:19:35 +1000, "Seon" <seonfe...@gmail.com>
spake thusly:


> It's you religious arseholes who commit child abuse
> by indoctrinating them into your childish myths and
> fairy tales.

Typical atheist, liberal garbage. If you don't like it,
then call it "child abuse", to try to arouse anger in
those reading or hearing you. Please. <chuckle>


> Children feel the effect of your brainwashing until
> adulthood.

Yea, kind of like in those atheist nations that are
responsible for more deaths than all religions
combined. But of course, we both know that
you won't acknowledge that. :)


> There is nothing wrong with raising a child
> to respect science and to embrace it and
> showing them that science can be proven
> or disproven, religion can't.

Science is a method, not a conclusion and science
does not say that God doesn't exist. Science does
not "say" anything. But you have equated YOUR
conclusions with "science" and THAT is anti-science,
just as your religion of evolution is, which has never
been and cannot be proved, since no one was there
and science ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES one of two things:

1) Direct observation. That does not mean indirect
observation that you draw conclusions from and
then knowingly lie and claim it is direct observation,
or lie (or just claim from your own ignorance) and
claim that indirect observation is just as valid.

2) Repeatable testing. And that means testing that
generates repeatable results. The fact is that there
are no tests that can be run that can demonstrate
that life got here in the way that you would claim
(there isn't even agreement on the "how" anyway),
nor that can demonstrate for the eye to see directly,
the evolution that you claim happened to bring us
here, to what we are today anyway.

You cannot provide either of these things and your attitude
that you are the pinnacle of all that has been, is hypocritical,
considering that in reality, if what you believe is true, you
are nothing and not worth spit anyway. If there is no God,
then there is no reason to be "good", nor is evolution done,
which means that man will not be man one day and may
just be wiped out, in favor of some monster like creature
with teeth 40 feet long and which stands 100 feet high
and which kills off man by the millions each day and for
all we know, will be three times as intelligent and invent
a bomb which nukes us, but not them, because it can be
programmed to respond only to certain DNA and so, they
will have a "man free" Earth, with lots of food to eat,
including the "flish" shown in "The Future Is Wild"! :)

After all, with evolution, we can make up whatever we want
and call it "science"! That's what's been happening, so why
wouldn't my scenario be just as likely as anything that you
come up with? Look at what "scientists" have come up with,
like in the show I mentioned, which yes, had scientists with
degrees in various related fields, inventing these monsters
and creatures of all sorts and pretending that was "science"
and it left man out of the picture!

But hey, like you said, let's embrace "science" and teach
our kids to get ready to start seeing the "flish" (flying fish)
and the sharks with neon like lights on their sides and the
giant squid that stand about 40 feet tall and live on land!

Hey, after all, it's "science"! :)

--

Pastor Dave

"The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say
you cannot do." - Chinese proverb

Ray Fischer

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Jul 11, 2010, 2:56:40 PM7/11/10
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Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> "Seon" <seonfe...@gmail.com>

>> It's you religious arseholes who commit child abuse
>> by indoctrinating them into your childish myths and
>> fairy tales.
>
>Typical atheist, liberal garbage.

Typical cult hate.

> If you don't like it,
>then call it "child abuse", to try to arouse anger in
>those reading or hearing you.

If you want to excuse it then pretend that your cult of hate
is approved by God.

>> Children feel the effect of your brainwashing until
>> adulthood.
>
>Yea, kind of like in those atheist nations that are
>responsible for more deaths than all religions
>combined.

Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge
that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy
Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian
spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in
literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to
burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole
life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ...
(few) years.

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939,
Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

--
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