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Bruce Ammerman

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.

Kate Nepveu

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> wrote:

Posted and mailed, per request.

It hasn't been published, and may not have been written.

Kate
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Chris Clayton

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> wrote:

> I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David
Brin that
> preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened
at the
> Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid
personality
> makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after
several
> years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently
never
> read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.

ISTR that Brin has said that this backstory exists only in his
head, and will most likely remain there.

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cla...@rust.net entertaining at dinner" - Steve Simmons

GSV Three Minds in a Can

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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Bitstring <ej2lbsg0rcjbgv185...@4ax.com> from the
wonderful Kate Nepveu <kate....@yale.edu> asserted

>"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> wrote:
>
>> I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
>> preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
>> Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
>> makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
>> years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
>> read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.
>
>Posted and mailed, per request.
>
>It hasn't been published, and may not have been written.

Which is a big pity, because it's a story many of us would like to read
(as long as he can tell it in less than 1500 pages! 8>. )

GSV Three Minds in a Can

Ross TenEyck

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> writes:

>I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
>preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
>Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
>makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
>years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
>read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.

There is no prequel.

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Richard Horton

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Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
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On 28 Feb 2000 20:41:21 GMT, ten...@alumnae.caltech.edu (Ross
TenEyck) wrote:

>"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> writes:
>
>>I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
>>preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
>>Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
>>makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
>>years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
>>read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.
>
>There is no prequel.

Though there is a short story which happens prior to it in that
Universe. I'm blanking on the title: it appeared in Popular Science
in 1998. It was just OK.


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Gharlane of Eddore

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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In <89dsbf$5dr$1...@m5.att.net.hk>

"Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> writes:
>
> I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by
> David Brin that preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez'
> story -- what happened at the Vanilla Needle, how did Tania
> die, what's with this schizoid personality makeup, etc.
> Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
> years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I
> apparently never read. Can anybody help?
> Please email if you can. Thanks.
>

The unprintable prequel *does* exist, but it's even worse than
"THE PRACTICE EFFECT." ( of course, "THE PRACTICE EFFECT"
*does* get better every time you read it, but still.... )
At any rate, I seem to recall that the Vanilla Needle story
did finally see print, or was scheduled to, a while back,
so you'll probably get pointers galore on it.

Speaker for the D00d

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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Bruce Ammerman wrote:
>
> I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
> preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
> Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
> makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
> years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
> read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.

There is no such story.

Brin does this often -- writing characters' reactions to a really really
good scene he didn't have to bother writing. It got downright obnoxious
in _Heaven's Reach_.

I suppose some would call this "stimulating the reader's imagination".

-- Speaker for the D00d


Curt Wiederhoeft

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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Gharlane of Eddore wrote:

> ...( of course, "THE PRACTICE EFFECT"

> *does* get better every time you read it, but still.... )

Ouch! Bad humor alert. Try again; I'm sure the joke
will be funnier.

C.

Christopher J. Henrich

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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Bruce Ammerman wrote:
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> I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
> preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
> Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
> makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
> years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
> read. Can anybody help? Please email if you can. Thanks.

Brin stated (at a Long Island Convention) in 1987 that he did not intend
to write a prequel to _Sundiver_. He wanted his hero to be a guy
with a pretty interesting resumé, so he gave him one.

Chris Henrich

mstemper - psc . com

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Mar 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/2/00
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In article <89dsbf$5dr$1...@m5.att.net.hk>, "Bruce Ammerman" <amme...@att.net.hk> writes:
>I hope somebody can tell me what the name of the book is by David Brin that
>preceded Sundiver which tells Jacob Alvarez' story -- what happened at the
>Vanilla Needle, how did Tania die, what's with this schizoid personality
>makeup, etc. Please! I just finished re-reading Sundiver after several
>years and realized there's a "prequel" out there that I apparently never
>read.

No, there isn't, as several others have pointed out. I'd just like to
add that the answer to your question is in the FAQ.

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