LOTR: Gandalf Is Sauron!

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Jim Cambias

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Feb 26, 2002, 10:53:22 PM2/26/02
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Gandalf is really Sauron!

The Ring had to be destroyed. He had bound up too much of his power into
it, and needed to release it. The chance of it falling into hands that
could use the power to destroy him is too dangerous. He also wanted to
try a new approach to conquering the Western lands: frontal assault
didn't work, but what about subversion from within? And so he came up
with a plan.
First, after walking to and fro in the world and up and down in it, he
selected the Hobbits as perfect pawns. They could resist the temptations
of the Ring, but at the same time were easy to bully and manipulate. So
Gandalf recruited Bilbo to go with the Dwarves on a pointless errand to
the Lonely Mountain. Along the way, he made sure to camp for the night at
one of the entrances to the Goblin kingdom, and did his best to lead Bilbo
down to where Gollum was hiding with the Ring. Once he was sure Bilbo had
the Ring, Gandalf remembered some "important business" and went off to
wind up his "Necromancer" front operation.
A century later the time is ripe. He sends Frodo to destroy the Ring,
then conveniently "dies" in the Mines of Moria. Think about that death a
moment: Gandalf, a fire-wizard, is slain in combat with a fiery Balrog?
Of course, a fire-wizard would be most likely to be able to summon and
command a creature of flame and shadow, wouldn't he? The Balrog was just
doing exactly what it was told.
Of course Gandalf doesn't stay dead. He comes back in time to smash
Saruman. He has to: Saruman is studying the very nature of the Rings.
Even if he can't rival Sauron/Gandalf in power, he may inadvertantly
expose the fact that destroying the Ring won't destroy its maker. So he
breaks Saruman's staff, destroys his tower, and drives him off to hide
among the Hobbits, where the poor guy is desperately trying to rearm and
resist when Gandalf's loyal Hobbits put an end to him.
Meanwhile all the Dark Lord's legions and sorcerous power somehow fail
to locate two Hobbits carrying a fantastically powerful magic ring. The
vitally important Cracks of Doom are not guarded. Almost as if Sauron
wants them to take it there...
At the crucial moment, Gandalf manages a marvelous double-play. He
bullies Aragorn into leading all the hosts of the West against Mordor just
as Frodo and Sam are reaching the mountain. If the Hobbits fail him, then
Gandalf can make sure all his other enemies are obliterated, and can fall
upon them before Frodo can build his power. If they succeed, then the Orc
legions are scattered and Gandalf rides in triumph beside the King, now
with all the power restored that he lost when he made the Ring.
And when the Ring is destroyed and Sauron is "dead" (hmm... just like
Gandalf was "dead") the True King of Gondor is restored, and all the
western lands are bound to him by ties of loyalty or marriage. Perfect.
The new kingdom can easily overcome all the exhausted realms of Mordor,
and one can be certain that Gandalf will unexpectedly return in a few
years to help his old comrade Aragorn manage the kingdom. And educate his
heirs. And maybe even stay on to advise the next generation. And
whenever they toast the defeat of the Dark Lord, he smiles.

Cambias

Brenda W. Clough

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Feb 26, 2002, 11:51:55 PM2/26/02
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Jim Cambias wrote:

> Gandalf is really Sauron!
>

And you realize this entire play is made possible by simple sartorial
adjustments. The ditching of the black scary armor and the dressing up in
flowing white is all it takes!

Brenda


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Serg

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Feb 27, 2002, 5:35:05 AM2/27/02
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"Brenda W. Clough" <clo...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3C7C65EB...@erols.com>...

> Jim Cambias wrote:
>
> > Gandalf is really Sauron!
> >
>
> And you realize this entire play is made possible by simple sartorial
> adjustments. The ditching of the black scary armor and the dressing up in
> flowing white is all it takes!
>
> Brenda
We should have permanent thread _LOTR conspiracy_. About Tom Bombadil
being really witch-king of Angmar etc.

Lee DeRaud

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Feb 27, 2002, 10:39:48 AM2/27/02
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On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:51:55 -0500, "Brenda W. Clough"
<clo...@erols.com> wrote:

>Jim Cambias wrote:
>
>> Gandalf is really Sauron!
>>
>
>And you realize this entire play is made possible by simple sartorial
>adjustments. The ditching of the black scary armor and the dressing up in
>flowing white is all it takes!

With a transition period of "gray".

Lee

Brenda W. Clough

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Feb 27, 2002, 2:07:15 PM2/27/02
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Lee DeRaud wrote:

Exactly!!

Sea Wasp

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Feb 27, 2002, 2:52:50 PM2/27/02
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Jim Cambias wrote:
>
> Gandalf is really Sauron!
>
> The Ring had to be destroyed. He had bound up too much of his power into
> it, and needed to release it. The chance of it falling into hands that
> could use the power to destroy him is too dangerous. He also wanted to
> try a new approach to conquering the Western lands: frontal assault
> didn't work, but what about subversion from within? And so he came up
> with a plan.

Imagine his dismay when it turned out that the Ring wasn't destroyed,
but that instead that meddling fool Bombadil had taken it! (reference
a prior series of posts)

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Lee DeRaud

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Feb 27, 2002, 4:21:33 PM2/27/02
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:52:50 GMT, Sea Wasp <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote:

>Jim Cambias wrote:
>>
>> Gandalf is really Sauron!
>>
>> The Ring had to be destroyed. He had bound up too much of his power into
>> it, and needed to release it. The chance of it falling into hands that
>> could use the power to destroy him is too dangerous. He also wanted to
>> try a new approach to conquering the Western lands: frontal assault
>> didn't work, but what about subversion from within? And so he came up
>> with a plan.
>
> Imagine his dismay when it turned out that the Ring wasn't destroyed,
>but that instead that meddling fool Bombadil had taken it! (reference
>a prior series of posts)

Remind me again...which one of them became Santa?

Lee

Sea Wasp

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Feb 27, 2002, 8:53:37 PM2/27/02
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Bombadil is Santa, the Nazgul the Nine Reindeer (original 8 plus
Rudolph, who's probably a Balrog with the Ring that formerly belonged
to the Witch-King), Sauron the Grinch, the Hobbits the Whos.

Spam Hater

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Feb 27, 2002, 11:12:24 PM2/27/02
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Wow - is that how the books end ????
- www.slyskunk.com


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William Clifford

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Feb 28, 2002, 11:32:49 AM2/28/02
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In <cambias-2602...@diakelly.ppp.mtholyoke.edu>,
Jim Cambias <cam...@SPAHMTRAP.heliograph.com> wrote:
> Gandalf is really Sauron!
>
> The Ring had to be destroyed. He had bound up too much of his power into
> it, and needed to release it. The chance of it falling into hands that
> could use the power to destroy him is too dangerous. He also wanted to
> try a new approach to conquering the Western lands: frontal assault
> didn't work, but what about subversion from within? And so he came up
> with a plan.
> First, after walking to and fro in the world and up and down in it, he
> selected the Hobbits as perfect pawns. They could resist the temptations
> of the Ring, but at the same time were easy to bully and manipulate. So
> Gandalf recruited Bilbo to go with the Dwarves on a pointless errand to
> the Lonely Mountain. Along the way, he made sure to camp for the night at
> one of the entrances to the Goblin kingdom, and did his best to lead Bilbo
> down to where Gollum was hiding with the Ring. Once he was sure Bilbo had
> the Ring, Gandalf remembered some "important business" and went off to
> wind up his "Necromancer" front operation.

I'm not convinced that the plan didn't come to him until the meddling
wizard showed up at his doorstep. It may even have been the wizard's
idea. I can only speculate but it seems to me that the difference
between Sauron's powers of "corruption" and Gandalf's more gentle
seeming "influence" are probably differences of application. I imagine
that in 2850, with his own agents failing and the hungary upstart
Saruman on the trail of the one ring for himself Gandalf could have
made the case for their alliance pretty convincing, even... compelling.

It may not even have been deliberate on their part. Imagine Sauron
finding Gandalf in his tower talking to that dwarf. Sauron tries to bend
Gandalf to his will, and surprise!, Gandalf is bending back. Their
powers would have been too great to be recalled or even halted. Once
released they bend and warp around each other with each other in a dance
that threatens to absorb them both and in fact does so. What last minute
compromises and struggles for dominance would they have? We couldn't
know.

But it seems to me that the creature that walked out of the tower was
neither Sauron nor Gandalf and has motives we don't know or understand.
We can be happy that it all *seemed* to work out in the end. But, after
all it has done in the east, it now has a free ticket across the sea, to
the west... what then?

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Vandevere

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Mar 1, 2002, 9:04:41 PM3/1/02
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"Spam Hater" <junkemai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<I6if8.980$_M2.14...@typhoon.atl.ipsvc.net>...

> Wow - is that how the books end ????
> - www.slyskunk.com

Ummm...No.

Vandevere

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Mike Schilling

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Mar 10, 2002, 12:22:25 AM3/10/02
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Sea Wasp wrote:


>
> Bombadil is Santa, the Nazgul the Nine Reindeer (original 8 plus
> Rudolph, who's probably a Balrog with the Ring that formerly belonged
> to the Witch-King), Sauron the Grinch, the Hobbits the Whos.


The Who aren't hobbits. Pete is a wizard, Keith an elf, Roger a dwarf,
and John a troll.

mstemper - emis . com

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Mar 13, 2002, 1:51:06 PM3/13/02
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In article <4l0v8u8nndu7dr2ln...@4ax.com>, Guy Gordon <gor...@NOSPAMwhite-crane.com> writes:
>Aaron <aarontay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>vonho...@juno.com (Vandevere) wrote in

>>> "Spam Hater" <junkemai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> Wow - is that how the books end ????
>>> Ummm...No.
>>But it may be how the movie ends .. ;)
>I'm pretty sure the movie ends with a big car-chase scene.

What? No exploding space ships?

Bummer.
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Brenda W. Clough

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Mar 13, 2002, 3:16:50 PM3/13/02
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Michael Stemper wrote:

> In article <4l0v8u8nndu7dr2ln...@4ax.com>, Guy Gordon <gor...@NOSPAMwhite-crane.com> writes:
> >Aaron <aarontay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>vonho...@juno.com (Vandevere) wrote in
> >>> "Spam Hater" <junkemai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> Wow - is that how the books end ????
> >>> Ummm...No.
> >>But it may be how the movie ends .. ;)
> >I'm pretty sure the movie ends with a big car-chase scene.
>
> What? No exploding space ships?
>

I was looking forward to the light sabers myself.

Robert Carnegie

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Mar 14, 2002, 10:17:32 AM3/14/02
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"Spam Hater" <junkemai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<I6if8.980$_M2.14...@typhoon.atl.ipsvc.net>...

> Wow - is that how the books end ????
> - www.slyskunk.com

Last page: "THE END...?"

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