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Robert Clark
Mar 29, 2012, 2:47:49 PM3/29/12
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In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
their own space ships:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/3b72e4cda04fce38/329993ecb0faeb26?hl=en
I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
Both suborbital and orbital commercial manned spaceflight are
imminent so it would be interesting to read stories with that as their
theme:
Private Space Race On to Launch US Astronauts for NASA.
by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 30 September 2011 Time: 07:00 AM ET
[Quote]NASA's next crew-carrying rocket, the heavy-lift Space Launch
System, will blast off on its first test flight in 2017 at the
earliest, agency officials have said. But a handful of private
companies say they're on schedule to begin lofting astronauts by 2015
— or perhaps even earlier.
"We believe we'll be ready in three years," said Gwynne Shotwell,
president of SpaceExploration Technologies Corporation (also known as
SpaceX).[/Quote]
http://www.space.com/13134-private-space-race-nasa-astronauts-2015.html
Private space launches should see boost this year.
Flurry of liftoffs expected this year, aviation regulator says.
6:50 AM, Mar. 21, 2012
[quote]WASHINGTON — A top federal official predicts as many as a dozen
privately funded flights could be launched into orbit and sub-orbit
over the next several months as the fledgling commercial space
industry ramps up its schedule.[/quote]
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120321/SPACE/303210003?nclick_check=1
U.S. Space Tourism Set for Takeoff by 2014: FAA.
Mar 20, 2012
By Irene Klotz/Reuters
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&id=news/awx/2012/03/20/awx_03_20_2012_p0-438438.xml
Here is a list of book reviews by Ken Murphy, some of fiction some of
non-fiction, that includes some books with this theme:
Book Reviews - Out of the Cradle.
http://www.outofthecradle.net/categories/books/
Bob Clark
their own space ships:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/3b72e4cda04fce38/329993ecb0faeb26?hl=en
I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
Both suborbital and orbital commercial manned spaceflight are
imminent so it would be interesting to read stories with that as their
theme:
Private Space Race On to Launch US Astronauts for NASA.
by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 30 September 2011 Time: 07:00 AM ET
[Quote]NASA's next crew-carrying rocket, the heavy-lift Space Launch
System, will blast off on its first test flight in 2017 at the
earliest, agency officials have said. But a handful of private
companies say they're on schedule to begin lofting astronauts by 2015
— or perhaps even earlier.
"We believe we'll be ready in three years," said Gwynne Shotwell,
president of SpaceExploration Technologies Corporation (also known as
SpaceX).[/Quote]
http://www.space.com/13134-private-space-race-nasa-astronauts-2015.html
Private space launches should see boost this year.
Flurry of liftoffs expected this year, aviation regulator says.
6:50 AM, Mar. 21, 2012
[quote]WASHINGTON — A top federal official predicts as many as a dozen
privately funded flights could be launched into orbit and sub-orbit
over the next several months as the fledgling commercial space
industry ramps up its schedule.[/quote]
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20120321/SPACE/303210003?nclick_check=1
U.S. Space Tourism Set for Takeoff by 2014: FAA.
Mar 20, 2012
By Irene Klotz/Reuters
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&id=news/awx/2012/03/20/awx_03_20_2012_p0-438438.xml
Here is a list of book reviews by Ken Murphy, some of fiction some of
non-fiction, that includes some books with this theme:
Book Reviews - Out of the Cradle.
http://www.outofthecradle.net/categories/books/
Bob Clark
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Mar 29, 2012, 3:09:33 PM3/29/12
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On Mar 29, 2:47 pm, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
>
> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight?
1990 may not be too "recent" but in Terry Bisson's Voyage to the Red
> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight?
Planet, Hollywood finances the trip.
Robert Carnegie
Mar 29, 2012, 3:38:56 PM3/29/12
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Stephen Baxter's _Time_ (1999) has this element.
But I didn't like the book. Maybe if I concentrated
on reading it as comedy. "Reid Malenfant is making
plans to travel into space to mine an asteroid.
Although Malenfant failed as an astronaut, he has
managed to succeed spectacularly as a businessman,
guided by his ex-wife, Emma Stoney." Um... yes,
is it meant to be farce? Then I've completely
misunderstood.
But I didn't like the book. Maybe if I concentrated
on reading it as comedy. "Reid Malenfant is making
plans to travel into space to mine an asteroid.
Although Malenfant failed as an astronaut, he has
managed to succeed spectacularly as a businessman,
guided by his ex-wife, Emma Stoney." Um... yes,
is it meant to be farce? Then I've completely
misunderstood.
tphile2
Mar 29, 2012, 4:18:41 PM3/29/12
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On Mar 29, 1:47 pm, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
>
> U.S. Space Tourism Set for Takeoff by 2014: FAA.
> Mar 20, 2012
> By Irene Klotz/Reuters
> CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla.http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=spac...
> U.S. Space Tourism Set for Takeoff by 2014: FAA.
> Mar 20, 2012
> By Irene Klotz/Reuters
>
> Here is a list of book reviews by Ken Murphy, some of fiction some of
> non-fiction, that includes some books with this theme:
>
> Book Reviews - Out of the Cradle.http://www.outofthecradle.net/categories/books/
>
> Bob Clark
Heinlein wrote about it all the time. Start with Rocket Ship Galileo
> Here is a list of book reviews by Ken Murphy, some of fiction some of
> non-fiction, that includes some books with this theme:
>
> Book Reviews - Out of the Cradle.http://www.outofthecradle.net/categories/books/
>
> Bob Clark
and The Rolling Stone.
then there is When Worlds Collide by Phillip Wylie
Robert Carnegie
Mar 29, 2012, 5:30:42 PM3/29/12
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On Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:18:41 PM UTC+1, tphile2 wrote:
> Heinlein wrote about it all the time.
> Start with Rocket Ship Galileo
1947
> Heinlein wrote about it all the time.
> Start with Rocket Ship Galileo
> and The Rolling Stone.
Stones. 1952.
> then there is When Worlds Collide by
> Phillip Wylie
Also note:
_Edison's Conquest of Mars_, by Garrett P. Serviss (1898)
_The First Men in the Moon_, by H. G. Wells (1901)
_From the Earth to the Moon_, by Jules Verne (1865)
_The Other World: The States and Empires of the Moon_,
by Cyrano de Bergerac (1657)
Arguably a private individual ascends into Heaven
at the start of _Acts of the Apostles_ (AD 60 or
later), although he is running for public office.
Jerry Brown
Apr 2, 2012, 7:06:30 PM4/2/12
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liner.
>then there is When Worlds Collide by Phillip Wylie
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Greg Goss
Apr 2, 2012, 8:12:20 PM4/2/12
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National Geographic society.
--
I used to own a mind like a steel trap.
Perhaps if I'd specified a brass one, it
wouldn't have rusted like this.
DouhetSukd
Apr 2, 2012, 10:45:22 PM4/2/12
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On Mar 29, 11:47 am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
not unpleasantly so.
Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
not unpleasantly so.
Franco
Apr 3, 2012, 3:39:08 AM4/3/12
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Matt Hughes
Apr 3, 2012, 5:20:36 AM4/3/12
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On Mar 29, 8:47 pm, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
Perhaps not quite what you're looking for, but there are several Jack
>
> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
Vance stories about space-going tramp freighters in a what is probably
an unlikely distant future. Ports of Call and Lurulu come to mind.
Matt Hughes
http://www.archonate.com
Michael Stemper
Apr 3, 2012, 9:18:37 AM4/3/12
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In article <a8c48579-c7a4-49eb...@sv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, DouhetSukd <douhe...@gmail.com> writes:
that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
Did I make a bad call?
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
"Writing about jazz is like dancing about architecture" - Thelonious Monk
>On Mar 29, 11:47=A0am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
>not unpleasantly so.
I quite enjoyed the first one. Only when I reached the end did I realize
>Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
>not unpleasantly so.
that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
Did I make a bad call?
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
"Writing about jazz is like dancing about architecture" - Thelonious Monk
Michael Stemper
Apr 3, 2012, 1:58:39 PM4/3/12
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In article <13924030.1177.1333056643002.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfd11>, Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>On Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:18:41 PM UTC+1, tphile2 wrote:
>> Heinlein wrote about it all the time.
>> Start with Rocket Ship Galileo
>
>1947
>
>> and The Rolling Stone.
>
>Stones. 1952.
>
>> then there is When Worlds Collide by
>> Phillip Wylie
>
>1933.
>
>Also note:
>
>_Edison's Conquest of Mars_, by Garrett P. Serviss (1898)
>
>_The First Men in the Moon_, by H. G. Wells (1901)
>
>_From the Earth to the Moon_, by Jules Verne (1865)
When I read "commercial space flight", as per the subject line, I think
>On Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:18:41 PM UTC+1, tphile2 wrote:
>> Heinlein wrote about it all the time.
>> Start with Rocket Ship Galileo
>
>1947
>
>> and The Rolling Stone.
>
>Stones. 1952.
>
>> then there is When Worlds Collide by
>> Phillip Wylie
>
>1933.
>
>Also note:
>
>_Edison's Conquest of Mars_, by Garrett P. Serviss (1898)
>
>_The First Men in the Moon_, by H. G. Wells (1901)
>
>_From the Earth to the Moon_, by Jules Verne (1865)
of things like the Pan Am flights in _2001_ or the interplanetary liner
_Hyperion_ in _Triplanetary_.
Judging from the other titles given in this thread, it apparently means
"privately-funded space flight". That being the case, I can't understand
why nobody has brought up _The Man Who sold the Moon_ yet.
I can't recall if the Lunar Expdition in Searls' _The Pilgrim Project_
was privately funded or not.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
by rubbing peanut butter on his gums.
James Nicoll
Apr 3, 2012, 2:02:23 PM4/3/12
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How recent is "recent"?
--
http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll
http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with
defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
--
http://www.livejournal.com/users/james_nicoll
http://www.cafepress.com/jdnicoll (For all your "The problem with
defending the English language [...]" T-shirt, cup and tote-bag needs)
Robert Carnegie
Apr 3, 2012, 2:32:11 PM4/3/12
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individuals getting themselves into space, but
not necessarily with the object of making money.
_The First Men in the Moon_ had a commercial
motive, as did one half of the partnership in
_Out of the Silent Planet_ (1938) - both, if
you count imperial conquest of other worlds -
but _From the Earth to the Moon_ was mainly
for fun.
The guy in _Acts of the Apostles_ has a lot of
money in the bank now, too.
Oh, and they're NOT RECENT!
Dave Hansen
Apr 3, 2012, 10:55:26 PM4/3/12
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:18:37 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com
(Michael Stemper) wrote:
>In article <a8c48579-c7a4-49eb...@sv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, DouhetSukd <douhe...@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Mar 29, 11:47=A0am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
>>not unpleasantly so.
>
>I quite enjoyed the first one. Only when I reached the end did I realize
>that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
>them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
>
>Did I make a bad call?
FWIW, I liked the first one a lot, and looked forward to the second. I
(Michael Stemper) wrote:
>In article <a8c48579-c7a4-49eb...@sv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, DouhetSukd <douhe...@gmail.com> writes:
>>On Mar 29, 11:47=A0am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
>>not unpleasantly so.
>
>I quite enjoyed the first one. Only when I reached the end did I realize
>that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
>them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
>
>Did I make a bad call?
thought the second was pretty good, though perhaps not a good as the
first. And the ending was... weird. I didn't like the direction it
was taking. I never went further.
Regards,
-=Dave
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Apr 3, 2012, 11:02:16 PM4/3/12
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In article <4f7bb6d6....@free.teranews.com>,
I liked the later ones less well than the beginning, but it was
still a good read overall.
The ending was odd though as it raised a *lot* of questions that
were never answered. Perhaps he was/is planning another series further
along in that setting.
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
still a good read overall.
The ending was odd though as it raised a *lot* of questions that
were never answered. Perhaps he was/is planning another series further
along in that setting.
--
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columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Snidely
Apr 4, 2012, 5:08:36 PM4/4/12
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Jerry Brown speculated:
More to the point would by the series The Man Who Sold The Moon (mostly
short stories, some of them collected in one volume).
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
short stories, some of them collected in one volume).
/dps
--
Who, me? And what lacuna?
Snidely
Apr 4, 2012, 5:11:25 PM4/4/12
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Matt Hughes speculated:
Well, if you're throwing the net that far out, there's the Cherryh
series that includes Downbelow Station and Infinity's End.
series that includes Downbelow Station and Infinity's End.
Robert Clark
Apr 5, 2012, 10:07:30 AM4/5/12
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future since my view is private, commercial spaceflight is imminent.
It will be very important then to understand the national security
implications of this, but discussion on this aspect of routine
spaceflight has been virtually nil.
The wikipedia page on Michael Flynn mentions another example, Victor
Koman's "Kings of the High Frontier". These two examples are actually
right up my alley since they involve single stage to orbit vehicles,
which I believe are key to making spaceflight routine.
Bob Clark
cf.,
Newsgroups: sci.space.policy, sci.astro, sci.physics,
sci.space.history
From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:36:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: A kerosene-fueled X-33 as a single stage to orbit
vehicle.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/msg/db4b9bcc5ca2dc05?hl=en
Robert Clark
Apr 8, 2012, 8:25:53 AM4/8/12
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Just saw this on HobbySpace.com:
Moon to be private colony - NASA
by: By Doug Conway
From: AAP
April 04, 2012 2:39PM
"IF mankind ends up colonising the moon, it is likely to be led by a
commercial enterprise rather than a government."
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/moon-to-be-private-colony-nasa/story-e6frfku0-1226318687424
Bob Clark
Robert Clark
Apr 8, 2012, 9:04:00 AM4/8/12
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This book discusses some of the new commercial space ventures:
How to Build Your Own Spaceship: The Science of Personal Space Travel.
[Hardcover]
Piers Bizony (Author)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1846271258?ie=UTF8&tag=itdoethavtobe-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1846271258
Bob Clark
How to Build Your Own Spaceship: The Science of Personal Space Travel.
[Hardcover]
Piers Bizony (Author)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1846271258?ie=UTF8&tag=itdoethavtobe-21&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1846271258
Bob Clark
DouhetSukd
Apr 9, 2012, 3:47:33 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 3, 6:18 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:
with a bittersweet heroic ending.
Yes, as Ted mentioned, #4 brings the series to a conclusion, but
leaves some questions unanswered. But not in a burning we-need-to-
know-this fashion. If you really liked #1, you ought not to be too
disappointed by the rest.
Flynn is one of my favorite authors (though his recent second book in
the Up Jim River is a tad stale compared to the first).
For the Firestar series he was still learning his craft, IMHO. Wreck
of the River of Stars and Eifelheim are much more sophisticated
books. But as far as the OP's request goes, this is a very good
series.
wrote:
> In article <a8c48579-c7a4-49eb-9944-06a2e7238...@sv8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, DouhetSukd <douhets...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >On Mar 29, 11:47=A0am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
> >not unpleasantly so.
>
> I quite enjoyed the first one. Only when I reached the end did I realize
> that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
> them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
>
> Did I make a bad call?
#2 and #3 were a bit slow going IIRC, but #4 tied it all up together
>
> >On Mar 29, 11:47=A0am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Firestar quadrilogy, Michael Flynn. Bit right-wing libertarian, but
> >not unpleasantly so.
>
> I quite enjoyed the first one. Only when I reached the end did I realize
> that it was "1 of 4". For some reason, I didn't think that the rest of
> them would be anywhere near as good, so I didn't look for them.
>
> Did I make a bad call?
with a bittersweet heroic ending.
Yes, as Ted mentioned, #4 brings the series to a conclusion, but
leaves some questions unanswered. But not in a burning we-need-to-
know-this fashion. If you really liked #1, you ought not to be too
disappointed by the rest.
Flynn is one of my favorite authors (though his recent second book in
the Up Jim River is a tad stale compared to the first).
For the Firestar series he was still learning his craft, IMHO. Wreck
of the River of Stars and Eifelheim are much more sophisticated
books. But as far as the OP's request goes, this is a very good
series.
Robert Clark
Apr 21, 2012, 10:03:28 PM4/21/12
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On Apr 8, 8:25 am, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
> Just saw this on HobbySpace.com:
>
> Moon to be private colony - NASA
> by: By Doug Conway
> From: AAP
> April 04, 2012 2:39PM
> "IF mankind ends up colonising the moon, it is likely to be led by a
> commercial enterprise rather than a government."http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/moon-to-be-private-colony-nasa/s...
> ...
> Just saw this on HobbySpace.com:
>
> Moon to be private colony - NASA
> by: By Doug Conway
> From: AAP
> April 04, 2012 2:39PM
> "IF mankind ends up colonising the moon, it is likely to be led by a
>
> Bob Clark
Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
By Alan Boyle
[quote]Today's media alert says the new company "will overlay two
critical sectors — space exploration and natural resources — to add
trillions of dollars to the global GDP. This innovative start-up will
create a new industry and a new definition of 'natural resources.'"
"That sounds like asteroid mining," Christopher Mims writes on MIT
Technology Review's "Mims' Bits" blog. "Because what else is there in
space that we need here on earth? Certainly not a livable climate or a
replacement for our dwindling supplies of oil."
Parabolic Arc's Doug Messier, meanwhile, writes that the venture
will be an "extraterrestrial mining company."
Diamandis has said on more than one occasion that he's intrigued
by the idea of digging into asteroids, for materials ranging from
water (for fuel as well as for astronauts) to precious metals such as
platinum. The Verge points to a TED talk in 2005 where Diamandis
discusses his dream, while Forbes magazine has brought up the subject
with him more than once in the past few months.[/quote]
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/18/11273238-google-billionaires-james-cameron-backing-space-resource-venture
A research report co-authored by two of the participants of this
venture suggests bringing meters-sized asteroids or parts of large
asteroids to lunar orbit for processing to save on costs:
New Study Says Asteroid Retrieval and Mining Feasible With Existing
and Near-Term Technologies.
Posted by Doug Messier on April 19, 2012, at 11:34 am in News
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2012/04/19/new-study-says-asteroid-retrieval-and-mining-feasible-with-existing-and-near-term-technologies/
A science-fiction film from 1969 also expressed the idea that
asteroid mining could only be profitable by bringing the asteroid to
the vicinity of the Earth, so I suppose this is a view that has long
been expressed. The film was "Moon Zero Two":
Moon Zero Two.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Zero_Two
The film was a rather low budget endeavor, still it was enjoyable for
a genre fan. It can be purchased on Amazon.com. However, you can see
it for free on Youtube if you don't mind the Mystery Science Theater
3000 side comments:
MST3k 111 - Moon Zero Two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJHcq85IlQE
Bob Clark
ala
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>Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
or you will step backward into safety."
Abraham Maslow
William December Starr
Apr 22, 2012, 5:21:59 PM4/22/12
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In article <WrqdnVCrE_FbhwnS...@earthlink.com>,
growth while letting them take the risks and occasional losses.
Because no matter how hard they try they can't keep all the
growth to themselves, Ayn Rand's masturbatory fantasies
notwithstanding. (And the smart ones won't even try.)
-- wds
"ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>> Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
>
> "You will either step forward into growth,
> or you will step backward into safety."
> Abraham Maslow
Then I choose safety, and then profiting from other people's
>> Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
>
> "You will either step forward into growth,
> or you will step backward into safety."
> Abraham Maslow
growth while letting them take the risks and occasional losses.
Because no matter how hard they try they can't keep all the
growth to themselves, Ayn Rand's masturbatory fantasies
notwithstanding. (And the smart ones won't even try.)
-- wds
ala
Apr 23, 2012, 9:19:58 PM4/23/12
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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:jn1spn$4f5$1...@panix3.panix.com...
please report on success
i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
William December Starr
Apr 23, 2012, 9:40:35 PM4/23/12
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In article <_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>,
derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
-- wds
>> "ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>> "You will either step forward into growth,
>>> or you will step backward into safety."
>>> Abraham Maslow
>>
>> Then I choose safety, and then profiting from other people's
>> growth while letting them take the risks and occasional losses.
>> Because no matter how hard they try they can't keep all the
>> growth to themselves, Ayn Rand's masturbatory fantasies
>> notwithstanding. (And the smart ones won't even try.)
>
> next: wildcat play in effect
>
> please report on success
>
> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>
>>> "You will either step forward into growth,
>>> or you will step backward into safety."
>>> Abraham Maslow
>>
>> Then I choose safety, and then profiting from other people's
>> growth while letting them take the risks and occasional losses.
>> Because no matter how hard they try they can't keep all the
>> growth to themselves, Ayn Rand's masturbatory fantasies
>> notwithstanding. (And the smart ones won't even try.)
>
> next: wildcat play in effect
>
> please report on success
>
> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
-- wds
ala
Apr 23, 2012, 9:42:47 PM4/23/12
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Bill Snyder
Apr 23, 2012, 9:53:27 PM4/23/12
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On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
"These are some really *good* drugs, man."
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ala
Apr 23, 2012, 10:19:02 PM4/23/12
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"Bill Snyder" <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the prerogative to
run 20 wildcat plays next season
it's what the people whose risks wds will exploit will be running while
wds is on the sideline waiting for them to win
http://i.imgur.com/7ryw2.jpg
Bill Snyder
Apr 23, 2012, 11:03:11 PM4/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:02 -0400, "ala" <alac...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>"Bill Snyder" <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>> Starr) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>,
>>>"ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>
>>>> please report on success
>>>>
>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>
>>>If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>
>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
>> --
>
>stop trolling me
I'm trolling a troll? Damn, I'm good.
wrote:
>
>"Bill Snyder" <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>> Starr) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>,
>>>"ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>
>>>> please report on success
>>>>
>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>
>>>If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>
>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
>> --
>
>stop trolling me
Kip Williams
Apr 23, 2012, 11:14:21 PM4/23/12
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ala wrote:
> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
I am, however, a MAN. Hear me roar.
Kip W
rasfw
Chris
Apr 23, 2012, 11:56:02 PM4/23/12
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On Mar 29, 2:47 pm, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> From: Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
> their own space ships:
>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
>
> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
>
> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
> Both suborbital and orbital commercial manned spaceflight are
> imminent so it would be interesting to read stories with that as their
> theme:
Huh.
> imminent so it would be interesting to read stories with that as their
> theme:
_Boundary_ and _Threshold_ co-written by our own Ryk E. Spoor and some
other guy both prominently feature privately funded ventures into
space.
Am I REALLY the first to mention those?
Chris
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Apr 24, 2012, 12:22:17 AM4/24/12
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Erik Max Francis
Apr 24, 2012, 3:32:23 AM4/24/12
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On 04/23/2012 08:03 PM, Bill Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:02 -0400, "ala"<alac...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Snyder"<bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>>> Starr) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>,
>>>> "ala"<alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>>
>>>>> please report on success
>>>>>
>>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>>
>>>> If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>> derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>>
>>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:02 -0400, "ala"<alac...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Bill Snyder"<bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>>> Starr) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>,
>>>> "ala"<alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>>
>>>>> please report on success
>>>>>
>>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>>
>>>> If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>> derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>>
>>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
>> stop trolling me
>
> I'm trolling a troll? Damn, I'm good.
[Quest complete.]
>
> I'm trolling a troll? Damn, I'm good.
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Robert Carnegie
Apr 24, 2012, 5:11:49 AM4/24/12
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On Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:14:21 AM UTC+1, Kip Williams wrote:
> ala wrote:
>
> > are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
> > prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>
> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
I've heard the name, but I didn't know he wrote for the stage.
> ala wrote:
>
> > are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
> > prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>
> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
Robert Clark
Apr 24, 2012, 9:05:38 AM4/24/12
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look see:
Boundary by Eric Flint & Ryk Spoor - Baen Books.
http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1416509321/1416509321.htm
Threshold by Eric Flint & Ryk E. Spoor - Baen Books.
http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1439133603/1439133603.htm
Bob Clark
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Apr 24, 2012, 10:02:36 AM4/24/12
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On 4/23/12 11:56 PM, Chris wrote:
> Huh.
>
> _Boundary_ and _Threshold_ co-written by our own Ryk E. Spoor and some
> other guy both prominently feature privately funded ventures into
> space.
>
> Am I REALLY the first to mention those?
>
I was resisting the temptation every single time I saw the thread.
> Huh.
>
> _Boundary_ and _Threshold_ co-written by our own Ryk E. Spoor and some
> other guy both prominently feature privately funded ventures into
> space.
>
> Am I REALLY the first to mention those?
>
Thank you.
_Portal_ is in the publisher's hands so hopefully should be out within
a year.
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Apr 24, 2012, 10:03:43 AM4/24/12
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> http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1416509321/1416509321.htm
>
> Threshold by Eric Flint& Ryk E. Spoor - Baen Books.
> http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1439133603/1439133603.htm
I'll note that there are BOTH private and government-funded groups in
those books, and in fact part of the point is that to get the best
effect you needed to combine the advantages of both approaches (rather
than the DISadvantages of both approaches).
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Kip Williams
Apr 24, 2012, 12:25:47 PM4/24/12
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Paul Arthur wrote:
Keywords have been provided.
Kip W
rasfw
> On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ala wrote:
>>
>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>
>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>
> What's a Tebow?
>> ala wrote:
>>
>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>
>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>
Keywords have been provided.
Kip W
rasfw
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Apr 24, 2012, 12:32:50 PM4/24/12
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curiosity not sufficient.
Kurt Busiek
Apr 24, 2012, 12:55:23 PM4/24/12
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On 2012-04-24 16:32:50 +0000, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
Pretending not to understand the context in order to ask the original
poster to waste his time typing stuff that's either pretty obvious or
can be found out easily is asking someone else to do pointless work for
one's own amusement.
While many will do that work anyway, declining to do so should not be
unexpected, particular when it comes to pretend-idiot demands that
someone explain something that came up in a conversation the
pretend-idiot was not even a part of and does not need to understand.
Or in short: If you're curious, do the work yourself. If you're not
curious enough, then why should hte original poster hop to amuse your
slight-but-not-significant curiosity?
kdb
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<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> said:
> On 4/24/12 12:25 PM, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Paul Arthur wrote:
>>> On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ala wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>>
>>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>>
>>> What's a Tebow?
>>
>> Keywords have been provided.
>
> But no reason to search on the keywords has been provided. Vague idle
> curiosity not sufficient.
Context is your friend.
> On 4/24/12 12:25 PM, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Paul Arthur wrote:
>>> On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ala wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>>
>>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>>
>>> What's a Tebow?
>>
>> Keywords have been provided.
>
> But no reason to search on the keywords has been provided. Vague idle
> curiosity not sufficient.
Pretending not to understand the context in order to ask the original
poster to waste his time typing stuff that's either pretty obvious or
can be found out easily is asking someone else to do pointless work for
one's own amusement.
While many will do that work anyway, declining to do so should not be
unexpected, particular when it comes to pretend-idiot demands that
someone explain something that came up in a conversation the
pretend-idiot was not even a part of and does not need to understand.
Or in short: If you're curious, do the work yourself. If you're not
curious enough, then why should hte original poster hop to amuse your
slight-but-not-significant curiosity?
kdb
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Kip Williams
Apr 24, 2012, 2:05:42 PM4/24/12
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 4/24/12 12:25 PM, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Paul Arthur wrote:
>>> On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ala wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>>
>>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>>
>>> What's a Tebow?
>>
>> Keywords have been provided.
>
> But no reason to search on the keywords has been provided. Vague idle
> curiosity not sufficient.
I'm okay with the status quo.
> On 4/24/12 12:25 PM, Kip Williams wrote:
>> Paul Arthur wrote:
>>> On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ala wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>>
>>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>>
>>> What's a Tebow?
>>
>> Keywords have been provided.
>
> But no reason to search on the keywords has been provided. Vague idle
> curiosity not sufficient.
Kip W
rasfw
David DeLaney
Apr 25, 2012, 5:03:21 AM4/25/12
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Paul Arthur <junk+...@flowerysong.com> wrote:
>On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ala wrote:
>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>
>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>
>What's a Tebow?
>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>
>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>
Two-fifty, same as in town.
Dave "bah dum TISSSSH" DeLaney
Bill Snyder
Apr 25, 2012, 9:26:06 AM4/25/12
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:03:21 -0400, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:
>Paul Arthur <junk+...@flowerysong.com> wrote:
>>On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ala wrote:
>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>
>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>
>>What's a Tebow?
>
>Two-fifty, same as in town.
>
>Dave "bah dum TISSSSH" DeLaney
OK, where'd we put that hook?
DeLaney) wrote:
>Paul Arthur <junk+...@flowerysong.com> wrote:
>>On 2012-04-24, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ala wrote:
>>>> are you MEN really unfamiliar with jets hiring tebow with the
>>>> prerogative to run 20 wildcat plays next season
>>>
>>> I'm not one who cultivates patches of ignorance for bragging purposes,
>>> but I was aware only vaguely that Tebow had left or been removed from
>>> the Broncos and picked up elsewhere. Partial credit!
>>
>>What's a Tebow?
>
>Two-fifty, same as in town.
>
>Dave "bah dum TISSSSH" DeLaney
Michael Stemper
Apr 26, 2012, 5:06:27 PM4/26/12
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In article <6u5cp7depc9l0hcnj...@4ax.com>, Bill Snyder <bsn...@airmail.net> writes:
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:02 -0400, "ala" <alac...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"Bill Snyder" <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>>>In article <_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>, "ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>>
>>>>> please report on success
>>>>>
>>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>>
>>>>If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>>derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>>
>>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:19:02 -0400, "ala" <alac...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>"Bill Snyder" <bsn...@airmail.net> wrote in message news:vr1cp75jaf7uc0kpf...@4ax.com...
>>> On 23 Apr 2012 21:40:35 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
>>>>In article <_9CdnSdaXbIiYgjS...@earthlink.com>, "ala" <alac...@comcast.net> said:
>>>>> next: wildcat play in effect
>>>>>
>>>>> please report on success
>>>>>
>>>>> i think i made someone guilty enough they will use a prerogative
>>>>
>>>>If that had been written in a way such that meaning could be
>>>>derived from it, what would that meaning have been?
>>>
>>> "These are some really *good* drugs, man."
>>
>>stop trolling me
>
>I'm trolling a troll? Damn, I'm good.
You'd better watch it. Terry's filed a "business process" patent on that.
>
>I'm trolling a troll? Damn, I'm good.
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Bill Snyder
Apr 26, 2012, 5:10:08 PM4/26/12
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Robert Clark
Apr 30, 2012, 9:15:24 PM4/30/12
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Some examples of space mining in fiction listed in New Scientist:
Roughnecks in space: Moon mining in science fiction
15:39 27 April 2012 by Sally Adee
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21752-roughnecks-in-space-moon-mining-in-science-fiction.html
Bob Clark
Roughnecks in space: Moon mining in science fiction
15:39 27 April 2012 by Sally Adee
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21752-roughnecks-in-space-moon-mining-in-science-fiction.html
Bob Clark
Robert Clark
Apr 30, 2012, 9:45:26 PM4/30/12
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On Apr 21, 10:03 pm, Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...
> [quote]Today's media alert says the new company "will overlay two
> critical sectors — space exploration and natural resources — to add
> trillions of dollars to the global GDP. This innovative start-up will
> create a new industry and a new definition of 'natural resources.'"
> "That sounds like asteroid mining," Christopher Mims writes on MIT
> Technology Review's "Mims' Bits" blog. "Because what else is there in
> space that we need here on earth? Certainly not a livable climate or a
> replacement for our dwindling supplies of oil."
> Parabolic Arc's Doug Messier, meanwhile, writes that the venture
> will be an "extraterrestrial mining company."
> Diamandis has said on more than one occasion that he's intrigued
> by the idea of digging into asteroids, for materials ranging from
> water (for fuel as well as for astronauts) to precious metals such as
> platinum. The Verge points to a TED talk in 2005 where Diamandis
> discusses his dream, while Forbes magazine has brought up the subject
> with him more than once in the past few months.[/quote]http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/18/11273238-google-billi...
>
A completely separate team has now announced plans to do mining from
the Moon:
Renowned scientists join tech visionaries at Moon Express to mine the
Moon for planetary resources.
“MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., April 24, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Moon Express, a
Google Lunar X PRIZE contender, announced today that some of the
world's leading planetary scientists have joined its Science Advisory
Board (SAB) to assist the company in its plans to explore and
ultimately mine the Moon for precious planetary resources.”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/renowned-scientists-join-tech-visionaries-at-moon-express-to-mine-the-moon-for-planetary-resources-148632035.html
A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
Platinum Moon [Paperback]
Bill White (Author)
"International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
a moon landing.
"Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
Moon, New Hampshire native and global entrepreneur Harold Hewitt steps
in to fill the void. Rejecting the notion that the exploration of
space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
his country in pursuit of profit."
http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
Bob Clark
> ...
>
> Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
> By Alan Boyle
> Google billionaires, James Cameron backing space resource venture.
> [quote]Today's media alert says the new company "will overlay two
> critical sectors — space exploration and natural resources — to add
> trillions of dollars to the global GDP. This innovative start-up will
> create a new industry and a new definition of 'natural resources.'"
> "That sounds like asteroid mining," Christopher Mims writes on MIT
> Technology Review's "Mims' Bits" blog. "Because what else is there in
> space that we need here on earth? Certainly not a livable climate or a
> replacement for our dwindling supplies of oil."
> Parabolic Arc's Doug Messier, meanwhile, writes that the venture
> will be an "extraterrestrial mining company."
> Diamandis has said on more than one occasion that he's intrigued
> by the idea of digging into asteroids, for materials ranging from
> water (for fuel as well as for astronauts) to precious metals such as
> platinum. The Verge points to a TED talk in 2005 where Diamandis
> discusses his dream, while Forbes magazine has brought up the subject
> with him more than once in the past few months.[/quote]http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/18/11273238-google-billi...
>
A completely separate team has now announced plans to do mining from
the Moon:
Renowned scientists join tech visionaries at Moon Express to mine the
Moon for planetary resources.
“MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., April 24, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Moon Express, a
Google Lunar X PRIZE contender, announced today that some of the
world's leading planetary scientists have joined its Science Advisory
Board (SAB) to assist the company in its plans to explore and
ultimately mine the Moon for precious planetary resources.”
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/renowned-scientists-join-tech-visionaries-at-moon-express-to-mine-the-moon-for-planetary-resources-148632035.html
A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
Platinum Moon [Paperback]
Bill White (Author)
"International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
a moon landing.
"Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
Moon, New Hampshire native and global entrepreneur Harold Hewitt steps
in to fill the void. Rejecting the notion that the exploration of
space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
his country in pursuit of profit."
http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
Bob Clark
William December Starr
May 1, 2012, 2:38:50 PM5/1/12
to
In article <db2141ef-2c43-4b4b...@r9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Linkname: Higher Hill Publishing Inc. - Bibliography
URL: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33140
which suggests that he couldn't even get Baen to print it, despite
the fact that everything about that blurb practically _screams_
"Baen Books!"
-- wds
Robert Clark <rgrego...@yahoo.com> said:
> A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
>
>Platinum Moon [Paperback]
> Bill White (Author)
> "International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
> a moon landing.
> "Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
> Moon, New Hampshire native and global entrepreneur Harold Hewitt steps
> in to fill the void. Rejecting the notion that the exploration of
> space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
> Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
> fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
> as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
> altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
> partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
> his country in pursuit of profit."
> http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
Looks self-published:
> A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
>
>Platinum Moon [Paperback]
> Bill White (Author)
> "International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
> a moon landing.
> "Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
> Moon, New Hampshire native and global entrepreneur Harold Hewitt steps
> in to fill the void. Rejecting the notion that the exploration of
> space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
> Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
> fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
> as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
> altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
> partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
> his country in pursuit of profit."
> http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
Linkname: Higher Hill Publishing Inc. - Bibliography
URL: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33140
which suggests that he couldn't even get Baen to print it, despite
the fact that everything about that blurb practically _screams_
"Baen Books!"
-- wds
Robert Clark
May 2, 2012, 3:46:37 AM5/2/12
to
On May 1, 2:38 pm, wdst...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <db2141ef-2c43-4b4b-b58e-172d258aa...@r9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
the book yet. Clark Lindsay who operates the HobbySpace.com site is
someone whose opinion I respect. He gives it a good review here:
Review: "Platinum Moon" by Bill White.
http://www.hobbyspace.com/nucleus/HSblog.php?itemid=23634&catid=74
Based on that, I'll give the book a read. I'll post my review here in
about a week.
Bob Clark
> In article <db2141ef-2c43-4b4b-b58e-172d258aa...@r9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Clark <rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
>
> >Platinum Moon [Paperback]
> > Bill White (Author)
> > "International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
> > a moon landing.
> > "Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
> > Moon,NewHampshire native and global entrepreneur Harold Hewitt steps
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A propos of that would be Bill White's novel "Platinum Moon":
>
> >Platinum Moon [Paperback]
> > Bill White (Author)
> > "International intrigue, action, adventure and suspense wrapped around
> > a moon landing.
> > "Power abhors a vacuum. After NASA abandons its plans to return to the
> > in to fill the void. Rejecting the notion that the exploration of
> > space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
> > Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
> > fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
> > as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
> > altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
> > partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
> > his country in pursuit of profit."
> >http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
>
> Looks self-published:
>
> Linkname: Higher Hill Publishing Inc. - Bibliography
> URL:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33140
>
> which suggests that he couldn't even get Baen to print it, despite
> the fact that everything about that blurb practically _screams_
> "Baen Books!"
>
> -- wds
The key question is whether it is a good book or not. I haven't read
> > space must be reserved to government, Hewitt establishes Lunar
> > Materials LLC to prospect for lunar platinum – platinum needed for
> > fuel cells that will help mitigate global warming. Hewitt sees himself
> > as an old fashioned Yankee trader, touting his lunar ambitions as an
> > altruistic endeavor undertaken in harmonious collaboration with global
> > partners. His opponents view Hewitt as a Yankee traitor selling out
> > his country in pursuit of profit."
> >http://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Moon-Bill-White/dp/0984405801
>
> Looks self-published:
>
> Linkname: Higher Hill Publishing Inc. - Bibliography
> URL:http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?33140
>
> which suggests that he couldn't even get Baen to print it, despite
> the fact that everything about that blurb practically _screams_
> "Baen Books!"
>
> -- wds
the book yet. Clark Lindsay who operates the HobbySpace.com site is
someone whose opinion I respect. He gives it a good review here:
Review: "Platinum Moon" by Bill White.
http://www.hobbyspace.com/nucleus/HSblog.php?itemid=23634&catid=74
Based on that, I'll give the book a read. I'll post my review here in
about a week.
Bob Clark
jacob navia
May 2, 2012, 4:38:28 AM5/2/12
to
Le 03/04/12 01:06, Jerry Brown a écrit :
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT), tphile2
> <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
have very similar and very boring plots:
1) Making money is fun
2) The guy with the biggest quantity of money wins (at the end)
3) Capitalism is the only possible society.
They transpose an idealized 60's mentality into some space scenario
and the characters, plot, etc are straight copies of some trivial story
where the future is seen as a repetition of the present ad nauseum.
Obviously you will find many people disagreeing, and
specially in the U.S. you will find a public.
Have fun making money.
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:18:41 -0700 (PDT), tphile2
> <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 1:47 pm, Robert Clark<rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
>>> their own space ships:
>>>
>>> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
>>> From: Robert Clark<rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
>>> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
>>>
>>> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
>>> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
>>> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
>>> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
>>> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
Sorry but I try to avoid any "commercial" science fiction since they
>> On Mar 29, 1:47 pm, Robert Clark<rgregorycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In this post I asked about old-time stories of millionaires building
>>> their own space ships:
>>>
>>> Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
>>> From: Robert Clark<rgregorycl...@yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:18:09 -0800 (PST)
>>> Subject: Old time stories about the millionaire rocket developer?http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.science/browse_frm/thread/...
>>>
>>> I'm still interested in that topic but also what are some
>>> recommendations about recent stories of commercially, not
>>> governmentally, financed space flight? Such stories might be about
>>> space tourism, private endeavors to produce solar power satellites,
>>> lunar or asteroidal mining, etc.
have very similar and very boring plots:
1) Making money is fun
2) The guy with the biggest quantity of money wins (at the end)
3) Capitalism is the only possible society.
They transpose an idealized 60's mentality into some space scenario
and the characters, plot, etc are straight copies of some trivial story
where the future is seen as a repetition of the present ad nauseum.
Obviously you will find many people disagreeing, and
specially in the U.S. you will find a public.
Have fun making money.
Robert Carnegie
May 2, 2012, 7:35:20 AM5/2/12
to ja...@jspamsink.org
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:38:28 AM UTC+1, jacob navia wrote:
> Sorry but I try to avoid any "commercial" science fiction since they
> have very similar and very boring plots:
>
> 1) Making money is fun
> 2) The guy with the biggest quantity of money wins (at the end)
> 3) Capitalism is the only possible society.
>
> They transpose an idealized 60's mentality into some space scenario
> and the characters, plot, etc are straight copies of some trivial story
> where the future is seen as a repetition of the present ad nauseum.
>
> Obviously you will find many people disagreeing, and
> specially in the U.S. you will find a public.
>
> Have fun making money.
And y'all have fun reading the _Twilight_ books (which
> Sorry but I try to avoid any "commercial" science fiction since they
> have very similar and very boring plots:
>
> 1) Making money is fun
> 2) The guy with the biggest quantity of money wins (at the end)
> 3) Capitalism is the only possible society.
>
> They transpose an idealized 60's mentality into some space scenario
> and the characters, plot, etc are straight copies of some trivial story
> where the future is seen as a repetition of the present ad nauseum.
>
> Obviously you will find many people disagreeing, and
> specially in the U.S. you will find a public.
>
> Have fun making money.
I haven't read, but I assume to be different).
But, don't you see a role for private-exploitation-of-space
sci-fi that casts the events as a warning from the future
so that once we've read the book, we know that we shouldn't
let it happen? Or, in the case of Stephen Baxter's _Time_,
that we shouldn't have read it... oh, that was your point. :-)
(We really /shouldn't/ let /that/ one happen, though.)
ala
May 6, 2012, 9:25:40 AM5/6/12
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>For the Firestar series he was still learning his craft, IMHO. Wreck
>of the River of Stars and Eifelheim are much more sophisticated
>books. But as far as the OP's request goes, this is a very good
>series.
http://pbfcomics.com/210/
Michael Stemper
May 9, 2012, 8:15:36 AM5/9/12
to
time he'd had quite a lot published. Was it a trunk novel that he wrote
prior to all of that other stuff?
--
Michael F. Stemper
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