Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee

[Lynn McGuire]

Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17

Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
her daughters the same name.

Lynn

[Kevrob]

Could have been Mary Lee, Mara Lee, Merrilee, Maura Lee....

I went to school with girls named Mary Anne, Mary Beth, Mary Pat, Mary Louise,
Mary Ellen, Mary Theresa,* etc . Catholic school? Oh, yeah.

* or versions like Maria Teresa, Marie Claire, etc.

[quote]

Reproduction and life cycle

The brown rat can breed throughout the year if conditions are suitable, with a female producing
up to five litters a year. The gestation period is only 21 days, and litters can number up to 14,
although seven is common.

[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rat#Reproduction_and_life_cycle

No wonder Mama Rat didn't give unique names. Numbers might've made more sense.

--
Kevin R

[J. Clarke]

On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 17:55:05 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

Flashing on the time I had Cat, Cat Two, Barata, and Nikto.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <skiab1$48b$1...@dont-email.me>,

Isn't there some celebrity who has four or five sons, all of whom
have his first, middle, and last name?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

[Lynn McGuire]

On 10/17/2021 10:28 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <skiab1$48b$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
>> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17
>>
>> Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
>> her daughters the same name.
>
> Isn't there some celebrity who has four or five sons, all of whom
> have his first, middle, and last name?

George Edward Foreman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman#Personal_life

Lynn

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <r15LM...@kithrup.com>,

Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <skiab1$48b$1...@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
>> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17
>>
>>Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
>>her daughters the same name.
>
>Isn't there some celebrity who has four or five sons, all of whom
>have his first, middle, and last name?
>

Don't forget Constantine the Great..
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <skir3a$8ts$1...@dont-email.me>,

Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/17/2021 10:28 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <skiab1$48b$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
>>> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17
>>>
>>> Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
>>> her daughters the same name.
>>
>> Isn't there some celebrity who has four or five sons, all of whom
>> have his first, middle, and last name?
>
>George Edward Foreman
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Foreman#Personal_life

That's the one. Former boxer, I note. Maybe that explains it.

[Quadibloc]

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself.

Oh, for the vile pun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRJ20LPTv0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqbSNERnc0

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

Amazingly, I managed to find another version of some interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUT_n0QRAlE

John Savard

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <it4aam...@mid.individual.net>,

Did he name all his *sons* Constantine? Or was it his son and
then his grandson and then his great-great....?

Royals do that fairly often. Think of all those English Henries
and Edwards.

But they got to distinguish themselves with Roman numerals.

[John W Kennedy]

That appears to have more to do with the nicknames given Constantine’s
successors by later generations. Late imperial names could be quite chaotic.


--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

[John W Kennedy]

His actual first name was Flavius. But history (and even more,
historical tradition) tends to decide the commonly used names of Romans
arbitrarily. How many people do you know who understand that the famous
dictator’s personal name was “Gaius”, his extended-family name,
“Julius’, and his narrower family name, “Caesar”?

[art...@yahoo.com]

On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I know someone who named all of their hens the same thing. I think the idea was along the lines that you don't want to name something you might eat, but if they all have the same name, you do not which one your eating.

[Robert Carnegie]

But wasn't everybody (male) called Gaius?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_naming_conventions>

Does not say that. But I've got the impression.

Men called Gaius after their father Gaius, men called
Gaius after their uncle Gaius, men called Gaius after
the emperor... "praenomens gradually became less
used and eventually disappeared altogether."

As for Caesar... at one stage, you had to be "Caesar"
to be Emperor, but you could Caesar up when you got
the job.

[William Hyde]

In the time of the late republic there were less than twenty male first names, while women fared worse, generally not being given first names. Many of these names were used by only one family or clan, so the selection was even smaller - Gaius, Caius, Marcus, and so forth. Quintus and Sextus were also used, but I'm not sure those were not among the restricted names.

Most men were addressed by friends on non-formal occasions by a nickname, generally a derogatory one (fatty, warty, etc) - Caligula being a prominent example, while Pompey invented the name "Magnus" for himself. He was also known as the teenage butcher, but that didn't stick. Not catchy enough.


>
> As for Caesar...

Which Robert Graves tells us originally meant "hairy". Many family names also seem to have had meanings like Cicero (Chickpea), Nero (strong), Pulcher (beautiful) and Marcellus (warlike or maybe just good at war).

William Hyde

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <4b9176d8-3ed5-43f5...@googlegroups.com>,

Where the succession was concerned, the army was the first
to make its wishes known. Although the title of Augustus
continued, in theory at least, to be elective, the soldiers
everywhere proclaimed that they would accept no one but
Constantine's sons, reigning jointly. With Crispus dead,
that left the three sons born to Fausta: the Caesar in Gaul
Constantine II, the Caesar in the East Constantius, and the
Caesar in Italy Constans and of these it was naturally
Constantius, now a young man of twenty, who hastened to the
capital after his father's death and presided over his
funeral.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <9fc3cb65-3e16-4214...@googlegroups.com>,

Only at his wedding, where his bride would say to him, "Ubi tu
Gaius, ego Gaia." no matter what his actual _praenomen_ was.

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <4316b13c-ec94-479c...@googlegroups.com>,

When Hal and I raised rabbits, a generation ago, they were all
named Dinner.

[Titus G]

On 19/10/21 10:50 am, William Hyde wrote:
>snip"

>
> In the time of the late republic there were less than twenty male first names, while women fared worse, generally not being given first names. Many of these names were used by only one family or clan, so the selection was even smaller - Gaius, Caius, Marcus, and so forth. Quintus and Sextus were also used, but I'm not sure those were not among the restricted names.
>
> Most men were addressed by friends on non-formal occasions by a nickname, generally a derogatory one (fatty, warty, etc) - Caligula being a prominent example, while Pompey invented the name "Magnus" for himself. He was also known as the teenage butcher, but that didn't stick. Not catchy enough.
>
>
>>
>> As for Caesar...
>
> Which Robert Graves tells us originally meant "hairy". Many family names also seem to have had meanings like Cicero (Chickpea), Nero (strong), Pulcher (beautiful) and Marcellus (warlike or maybe just good at war).
>
> William Hyde
>

Fascinating, as I knew nothing of that. Thank you.

[Titus G]

On 19/10/21 12:46 pm, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <4316b13c-ec94-479c...@googlegroups.com>,
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 5:07:16 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
>>> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17
>>>
>>> Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
>>> her daughters the same name.
>>
>> I know someone who named all of their hens the same thing. I think the
>> idea was along the lines that you don't want to name something you might
>> eat, but if they all have the same name, you do not which one your
>> eating.
>
> When Hal and I raised rabbits, a generation ago, they were all
> named Dinner.
>

So far, it appears that George Edward Foreman did not have the same motive.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Monday, 18 October 2021 at 22:50:08 UTC+1, William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 3:58:49 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > On Monday, 18 October 2021 at 19:25:18 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
> > > On 10/18/21 9:11 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > > > In article <it4aam...@mid.individual.net>,
> > > > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
> > > >> In article <r15LM...@kithrup.com>,
> > > >> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_naming_conventions>
> >
> > Does not say that. But I've got the impression.
> >
> > Men called Gaius after their father Gaius, men called
> > Gaius after their uncle Gaius, men called Gaius after
> > the emperor... "praenomens gradually became less
> > used and eventually disappeared altogether."
>
> In the time of the late republic there were less than twenty
> male first names, while women fared worse, generally not
> being given first names.

If they had names then something was first surely...
and, from Wikipedia, not a husband's name. On the
other hand, some were just numbered.

> Most men were addressed by friends on non-formal
> occasions by a nickname, generally a derogatory one
> (fatty, warty, etc) -

I think that happens nowadays...

> > As for Caesar...
>
> Which Robert Graves tells us originally meant "hairy".

In this case it seems that Robert G. chose one of multiple
available meanings.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar>
"The cognomen "Caesar" originated, according to Pliny the
Elder, with an ancestor who was born by Caesarean section
(from the Latin verb "to cut", caedere, caes-). The Historia
Augusta suggests three alternative explanations: that the
first Caesar had a thick head of hair ("caesaries"); that he
had bright grey eyes ("oculis caesiis"); or that he killed an
elephant during the Punic Wars ("caesai" in Moorish) in
battle. Caesar issued coins featuring images of elephants,
suggesting that he favored the latter interpretation of
his name."

None of this refers to "our" Julius Caesar, but to
whichever ancestor had this "cognomen" first.
Wikipedia does not seem to repeat the story that
he appreciated wearing his laurel headdress
over his bald area.

ObSF: Larry Niven's story "Flatlander" has a
principal male character nicknamed "Elephant".
Niven teases us with the reason for that.

[Quinn C]

* John W Kennedy:

> On 10/18/21 9:11 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <it4aam...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>>> In article <r15LM...@kithrup.com>,
>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <skiab1$48b$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Pearls Before Swine: Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee, Mary Lee
>>>>> https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/10/17
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephan Pastis should be ashamed of himself. And Rat's momma for naming
>>>>> her daughters the same name.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't there some celebrity who has four or five sons, all of whom
>>>> have his first, middle, and last name?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget Constantine the Great..
>>
>> Did he name all his *sons* Constantine? Or was it his son and
>> then his grandson and then his great-great....?
>>
>> Royals do that fairly often. Think of all those English Henries
>> and Edwards.
>>
>> But they got to distinguish themselves with Roman numerals.
>
> His actual first name was Flavius. But history (and even more,
> historical tradition) tends to decide the commonly used names of Romans
> arbitrarily. How many people do you know who understand that the famous
> dictator’s personal name was “Gaius”, his extended-family name,
> “Julius’, and his narrower family name, “Caesar”?

Most people don't know that the famous Cleopatra was number VII.

She ruled jointly with Ptolemy XIII, XIV and XV. Some of the Ptolemys
had two wives named Cleopatra, and some of the Cleopatras had two
husbands named Ptolemy, so it gets really confusing in that family.

--
There is a whole cottage industry devoted to people who are
upset by the idea of others being outraged.
-- Washington Post 2019-09-18

[Paul S Person]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 18 October 2021 at 22:50:08 UTC+1, William Hyde wrote:
>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 3:58:49 PM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> > On Monday, 18 October 2021 at 19:25:18 UTC+1, John W Kennedy wrote:
>> > > On 10/18/21 9:11 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> > > > In article <it4aam...@mid.individual.net>,
>> > > > Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
>> > > >> In article <r15LM...@kithrup.com>,
>> > > >> Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_naming_conventions>
>> >
>> > Does not say that. But I've got the impression.
>> >
>> > Men called Gaius after their father Gaius, men called
>> > Gaius after their uncle Gaius, men called Gaius after
>> > the emperor... "praenomens gradually became less
>> > used and eventually disappeared altogether."
>>
>> In the time of the late republic there were less than twenty
>> male first names, while women fared worse, generally not
>> being given first names.
>
>If they had names then something was first surely...
>and, from Wikipedia, not a husband's name. On the
>other hand, some were just numbered.

<snippo>

Quintus and Sextus would have been the 5th and 6th son.

Posthumus was used for a son born after the father's death.

Somewhere, I picked up the possible misinformation that the girls were
named after flowers or similar items. Typical girl names, IOW.

Well, the Family Values in those days were /very/ Traditional. And
women were property all their lives. Again, this may be
misinformation, who can say?

But it did lead my characterization of the Basic Rule of Traditional
Famliy Values:

women are cattle

BTW, I prefer a more /modern/ form of family values, one where women
are human beings.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."