Girl Genius - 12/21/09
Wayne Throop
<ebg13> guvf vf Xynhf' fhobeqvangrf gelvat gb znxr uvz erfg </ebg13>
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Joel Polowin
> OK, so I'm now getting the idea that
> <ebg13> guvf vf Xynhf' fhobeqvangrf gelvat gb znxr uvz erfg </ebg13>
Perhaps they detected that he's been infected, and believe that
he needs to be restrained. (This would leave a dangerous power
vacuum even if he's not being actively controlled.)
Scott Fluhrer
"Wayne Throop" <thr...@sheol.org> wrote in message
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> OK, so I'm now getting the idea that
> <ebg13> guvf vf Xynhf' fhobeqvangrf gelvat gb znxr uvz erfg </ebg13>
My guess would be that shutting down the castle let out something nasty
(that the castle was containing until now). Perhaps that nasty is loyal to
the Hetrodynes and is programmed to attack intruders. The castle has been
restraining it because of its agreement with Klaus; it's now free to attack
because it's not aware of (or doesn't care about) the agreement.
--
poncho
William George Ferguson
My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)
Brenda Clough
Something nasty in the woodshed?
Brenda
Quadibloc
> My guess would be that shutting down the castle let out something nasty
> (that the castle was containing until now). Perhaps that nasty is loyal to
> the Hetrodynes and is programmed to attack intruders. The castle has been
> restraining it because of its agreement with Klaus; it's now free to attack
> because it's not aware of (or doesn't care about) the agreement.
Could be. But I tend to assume the pedestrian plot continuation until
I know otherwise.
So I think that whatever was set free is likely to be hostile to
Agatha, the Heterodynes, and humanity in general.
I think that whatever is attacking Klaus is likely some element that
notices the state of the Castle as an opportunity... even though Gil
has already taken care of the Knights of Jove. Not Dr. Sun annoyed at
his overly active patient.
John Savard
Robert Carnegie
Carson von Mekkhan already expected more attackers before Agatha went
into the Castle. Until she was recognised as Heterodyne, it wasn't
fighting anybody... who wasn't inside it, that is.
As for who this attacker is: as Gil said about the assassins' origins
and grievances, "Not important!"
Greg Goss
>My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
>"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
>it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
down and it escapes from its prison.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Paul Ciszek
In article <7pcnou...@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
>>"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
>>it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
>
>I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
>Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
>down and it escapes from its prison.
From?
--
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> In article <7pcnou...@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
>>> "Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
>>> it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
>> I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
>> Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
>> down and it escapes from its prison.
>
>
Arthur C. Clarke's The City and the Stars; Vanamonde, disembodied
energy being, created as the final antagonist for the Mad Mind which was
barely imprisoned after devastating a swath of the galaxy.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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Dorothy J Heydt
>
>>My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
>>"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
>>it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
>
>I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
>Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
>down and it escapes from its prison.
That is indeed the name. Of both of them. This was noted here
(and in other discussion places) when Vanamonde von Mekkhan first
appeared.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/info/cast/cast07.php#coffee
Nobody seems to know why the Foglios chose that name, but it
wasn't accidental.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
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Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the hotmail edress.
Kithrup is getting too damn much spam, even with the sysop's filters.
Brenda Clough
> In article <7pcnou...@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
>>> "Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
>>> it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
>> I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
>> Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
>> down and it escapes from its prison.
>
> That is indeed the name. Of both of them. This was noted here
> (and in other discussion places) when Vanamonde von Mekkhan first
> appeared.
>
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/info/cast/cast07.php#coffee
>
> Nobody seems to know why the Foglios chose that name, but it
> wasn't accidental.
>
I like the old guy's comment, "She's YOUR Heterodyne, all right."
Brenda
Robert Carnegie
> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
> >"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
> >it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
>
> I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
> Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
> down and it escapes from its prison.
Crying "FREE!" and glowing lurid green? That seems to be the
situation Dyne-stairs in the Castle. (Well, no stairs, but you get
the idea.)
Dorothy J Heydt
Interesting point. Maybe Vanamonde is indeed going to have to
fight it.
(It would be interesting if, after all this debating about
Agatha's future: Gil or Tarvek? Tarvek or Gil? she just said the
hell with it and paired off with Vanamonde.)
Wayne Throop
:: situation Dyne-stairs in the Castle.
Ah, a prison breakout. Probably falsely convicted.
Now that he/she/it is out, better get busy living, or get busy Dyne.
Brenda Clough
There must be stairs. Or, better yet, a freight elevator and a loading
dock. How otherwise to get all that machinery down there?
Brenda
Joel Polowin
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
> > Crying "FREE!" and glowing lurid green? That seems to be the
> > situation Dyne-stairs in the Castle. (Well, no stairs, but you get
> > the idea.)
>
> There must be stairs. Or, better yet, a freight elevator and a loading
> dock. How otherwise to get all that machinery down there?
By submersible, up the Dyne from wherever it emerges.
Dorothy J Heydt
Hm. I've just taken a good look at the map of Europa Wulfenbach,
a copy of which hangs on my wall. Mechanicsburg is not far from
the Iron Gates, a narrow passage between high cliffs through
which the Danube runs on its way to the Black Sea. Until fairly
recently in our timeline, the Iron Gates were the limit of
navigation on the Danube. You could bring a ship up from the
Black Sea as far as the Gates, or you could have river traffic as
far downstream as the Gates, but you couldn't bring a ship of any
size through them.
Note that Cheyenne Wright, who drew the map, didn't put a whole
lot of cities or other sites on the map which appear in both
universes -- but he did include the Iron Gates.
I'm going to take a wild guess that the Dyne runs into the Danube
either just above or just below the Gates. Just above is more
likely, I think, because the political, social, and economic
connections between Mechanicsburg and Europe seem to be stronger
than those with the Black Sea countries.
Robert Carnegie
> In article <7a80b9d2-5416-4c36...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >Greg Goss wrote:
> >> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >My immediate thought was it was following up on Vanamonde's question
> >> >"Grandfather, where does the castle end, and the town begin?" I'm thinking
> >> >it isn't just the clocks that have lost power.
> >>
> >> I didn't notice the kid's name. Is it really Vanamonde? The original
> >> Vanamonde was bred to control the evil monster when the power runs
> >> down and it escapes from its prison.
> >
> >Crying "FREE!" and glowing lurid green? That seems to be the
> >situation Dyne-stairs in the Castle. (Well, no stairs, but you get
> >the idea.)
>
> Interesting point. Maybe Vanamonde is indeed going to have to
> fight it.
>
> (It would be interesting if, after all this debating about
> Agatha's future: Gil or Tarvek? Tarvek or Gil? she just said the
> hell with it and paired off with Vanamonde.)
Hmm. He's genetically programmed to be loyal to her, and he really
likes her coffee. Does that add up to "I can work with that"? ;-)
I think we haven't found out yet what the hell he does with his hair.
Would that be a deal-breaker?
Robert Sneddon
<Brenda...@yahoo.com> writes
>Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> Crying "FREE!" and glowing lurid green? That seems to be the
>> situation Dyne-stairs in the Castle. (Well, no stairs, but you get
>> the idea.)
>
>There must be stairs. Or, better yet, a freight elevator and a loading
>dock. How otherwise to get all that machinery down there?
Minions. Lots and lots of minions. And SCIENCE!
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
Well, his physical appearance at least is based on Bay Area
costumer Kevin Roche. Now, Kevin is getting into middle age and
portliness, and no longer looks as beautifully slender as the
younger Vanamonde von Mekkhan. Still, if you will observe:
(sorry about the length; I don't grok tinyurl.)
So Agatha, at least, could *ask* him how he does his hair.
Robert Carnegie
> In article <5d1cee2d-b86c-4124...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> >> (It would be interesting if, after all this debating about
> >> Agatha's future: Gil or Tarvek? Tarvek or Gil? she just said the
> >> hell with it and paired off with Vanamonde.)
> >
> >Hmm. He's genetically programmed to be loyal to her, and he really
> >likes her coffee. Does that add up to "I can work with that"? ;-)
> >
> >I think we haven't found out yet what the hell he does with his hair.
> >Would that be a deal-breaker?
>
> Well, his physical appearance at least is based on Bay Area
> costumer Kevin Roche. Now, Kevin is getting into middle age and
> portliness, and no longer looks as beautifully slender as the
> younger Vanamonde von Mekkhan. Still, if you will observe:
>
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2996590344_6f53f85132.jpg%3Fv%3D0&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/8638651%40N07/2996590344&usg=__FQxU9q8XbQE5Bav5IxndpHk7Nuo=&h=500&w=334&sz=117&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=J1qM5DFf6FtzqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKevin%2BRoche%2BVanamonde%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den
>
> (sorry about the length; I don't grok tinyurl.)
>
> So Agatha, at least, could *ask* him how he does his hair.
Having realised after a couple of looks that you didn't describe that
fellow as a major customer of the Foglios... he really did look like
that before the Girl Genius character appeared? Okay.
So where does this guy fit in? :-)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling>
Dorothy J Heydt
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <5d1cee2d-b86c-4124...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> >> (It would be interesting if, after all this debating about
>> >> Agatha's future: Gil or Tarvek? Tarvek or Gil? she just said the
>> >> hell with it and paired off with Vanamonde.)
>> >
>> >Hmm. He's genetically programmed to be loyal to her, and he really
>> >likes her coffee. Does that add up to "I can work with that"? ;-)
>> >
>> >I think we haven't found out yet what the hell he does with his hair.
>> >Would that be a deal-breaker?
>>
>> Well, his physical appearance at least is based on Bay Area
>> costumer Kevin Roche. Now, Kevin is getting into middle age and
>> portliness, and no longer looks as beautifully slender as the
>> younger Vanamonde von Mekkhan. Still, if you will observe:
>>
>>
>http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2996590344_6f53f85132.jpg%3Fv%3D0&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/8638651%40N07/2996590344&usg=__FQxU9q8XbQE5Bav5IxndpHk7Nuo=&h=500&w=334&sz=117&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=J1qM5DFf6FtzqM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKevin%2BRoche%2BVanamonde%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den
>>
>> (sorry about the length; I don't grok tinyurl.)
>>
>> So Agatha, at least, could *ask* him how he does his hair.
>
>Having realised after a couple of looks that you didn't describe that
>fellow as a major customer of the Foglios...
Major customer? I don't know. He attends lots of cons and so do
they.
>he really did look like
>that before the Girl Genius character appeared? Okay.
He looked like that (younger, and very pretty) when I first met
him, but he put the costume together in order to portray
Vanamonde, at a recent convention costume competition.
>
>So where does this guy fit in? :-)
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling>
Damn if I know; I never heard of that guy before just now.
Robert Carnegie
"Customer" is only a vowel switch from the word you used. But I only
got these varifocal spectacles - well, I guess it is some months now.
And when I couldn't find these glasses and I put the old ones on for a
while, ouch! So maybe I'd better go back again pretty soon.
> >So where does this guy fit in? :-)
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Darling>
>
> Damn if I know; I never heard of that guy before just now.
Well, Mr Roche doesn't seem to have enough in the eyebrow department.
But maybe that's the passage of time as well?
I have brought up Mr. Darling before in casting discussions...
wouldn't it be cool to have a minion whose actual name is Darling?
With him around the Weasel Queen could have been so much less weaselly.
Quadibloc
> I have brought up Mr. Darling before in casting discussions...
> wouldn't it be cool to have a minion whose actual name is Darling?
> With him around the Weasel Queen could have been so much less weaselly.
There's a recent plot line in Escape from Terra that this ties into...
John Savard