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leno...@yahoo.com

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May 12, 2018, 3:32:00 PM5/12/18
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I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and control them. That's all I really remember.




Lenona.

Dorothy J Heydt

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May 12, 2018, 4:00:06 PM5/12/18
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In article <2e618045-01bd-4b5e...@googlegroups.com>,
<leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and
>control them. That's all I really remember.

Sounds like a whole lot of Mercedes Lackey, and a fair amount of
Andre Norton. Can you remember any other details? A place or
personal name? Anything that happened in the course of the
story?

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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

leno...@yahoo.com

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May 12, 2018, 4:29:30 PM5/12/18
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On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:00:06 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article
> <lenona> wrote:
> >I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and
> >control them. That's all I really remember.
>
> Sounds like a whole lot of Mercedes Lackey, and a fair amount of
> Andre Norton. Can you remember any other details? A place or
> personal name? Anything that happened in the course of the
> story?


Actually, I only saw the cover (it was a mass-market, pocket-size book) and was told about it by someone else, sometime from 1973 to 1976. I THINK the cover had a black or dark background. The woman was on the cover and surrounded by animals. It's possible the artwork resembled Brian Froud's. I looked up Lackey's book covers just now -

https://www.google.com/search?q=mercedes+lackey+books&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcvc6WgIHbAhVBPN8KHXerAQkQ_AUICygC&biw=1261&bih=850#imgrc=_

- and they don't have the artistic style I'm thinking of. Unless that search didn't include her old editions, for whatever reason.


Lenona.

leno...@yahoo.com

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May 12, 2018, 4:49:34 PM5/12/18
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And now that I've checked Froud's book illustrations, Froud would not have been nearly as low-key as what I'm thinking of - with rare exceptions, such as some of the pictures in "Faeries."

I seem to remember that the colors on the cover almost looked as if they would glow in the dark, since the background was dark.


Lenona.

Robert Carnegie

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May 12, 2018, 4:59:23 PM5/12/18
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On Saturday, 12 May 2018 21:00:06 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <2e618045-01bd-4b5e...@googlegroups.com>,
> <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and
> >control them. That's all I really remember.
>
> Sounds like a whole lot of Mercedes Lackey, and a fair amount of
> Andre Norton. Can you remember any other details? A place or
> personal name? Anything that happened in the course of the
> story?

What animals? How many? Set where and when?
Present day? Ancient Mars? Unspecified woods?
So far this could be Walt Disney's _Snow White_,
if you forgot to mention seven dwarfs who are
also in the story.

If there are details you're not sure about -
tell us anyway. Misleading facts, such as from
a completely different book, are part of this game.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_on_the_Broom>
is the wrong date, I'm afraid.

Ahasuerus

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May 12, 2018, 5:11:27 PM5/12/18
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Lackey published her first story in 1985, so it couldn't be her. Froud
did fewer than 20 genre covers prior to 1980 (that we know of --
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4048), so it should be easy to check.

Dorothy J Heydt

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May 12, 2018, 7:00:05 PM5/12/18
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In article <41c633b7-567c-4b22...@googlegroups.com>,
You might take a look at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database
too ...

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi

... because they frequently link pictures of old as well as new
editions. It's worth a try.

Dorothy J Heydt

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May 12, 2018, 7:15:04 PM5/12/18
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In article <5ceac429-d648-4534...@googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, 12 May 2018 21:00:06 UTC+1, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <2e618045-01bd-4b5e...@googlegroups.com>,
>> <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and
>> >control them. That's all I really remember.
>>
>> Sounds like a whole lot of Mercedes Lackey, and a fair amount of
>> Andre Norton. Can you remember any other details? A place or
>> personal name? Anything that happened in the course of the
>> story?
>
>What animals? How many? Set where and when?
>Present day? Ancient Mars? Unspecified woods?
>So far this could be Walt Disney's _Snow White_,
>if you forgot to mention seven dwarfs who are
>also in the story.

Or God help us, _The Interior Life._ /shudder
>
>If there are details you're not sure about -
>tell us anyway. Misleading facts, such as from
>a completely different book, are part of this game.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_on_the_Broom>
>is the wrong date, I'm afraid.

/goodle

Nope.

Moriarty

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May 12, 2018, 9:02:54 PM5/12/18
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That's not a lot to go on, but possibly "The Forgotten Beasts of Eld", Patricia McKillip, 1974.

-Moriarty

Chris Buckley

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May 12, 2018, 10:13:09 PM5/12/18
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Excellent suggestion, both as to topic of book, and the type of book
that will get a Froud-like cover. But my 1975 mass-market paperback
of it is a standard woman on dragon cover, and I don't see any matching
covers when looking at Google images. (It's a book on my favorites bookcase;
I like it a lot but opinions will vary a lot on it.)

Chris

Moriarty

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May 12, 2018, 10:55:35 PM5/12/18
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This one fits Lenona's description, dark background, woman surrounded by animals:

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1216826519l/77356.jpg

This one, less so:

http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/b/b4/THFRGTTNBS1974.jpg

-Moriarty

Quadibloc

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May 12, 2018, 10:56:07 PM5/12/18
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This is probably the cover he thought might match your description:

http://www.patriciamckillip.com/Books/Covers/eld2.jpg

It's from this page

http://www.patriciamckillip.com/Books/eld.htm

which shows several different covers for that book, including one other that
resembles your description.

John Savard

Quadibloc

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May 12, 2018, 11:04:33 PM5/12/18
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And here's another one similar to your description:

https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-forgotten-beasts-of-eld-patricia-a-mckillip/prod9781473212039.html

John Savard

Magewolf

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May 13, 2018, 9:44:52 AM5/13/18
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Seeing the original cover for Dragonsbane reused, for at least the tenth
time, on that page reminds me of a question I have whenever various book
covers get brought up. Which piece of art has been used as a cover
image for the most different books? Not counting clip-art, maybe. But
I do not have the slightest idea how you would go about finding out.

Ahasuerus

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May 13, 2018, 1:56:37 PM5/13/18
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On Sunday, May 13, 2018 at 9:44:52 AM UTC-4, Magewolf wrote:
[snip-snip]
> Seeing the original cover for Dragonsbane reused, for at least the tenth
> time, on that page reminds me of a question I have whenever various book
> covers get brought up. Which piece of art has been used as a cover
> image for the most different books? Not counting clip-art, maybe. But
> I do not have the slightest idea how you would go about finding out.

It depends on how you define "different books". For example, Lee Gibbons'
"The Shadow Rising" has been used by almost 20 differently titled books,
but they are all volumes in "The Wheel of Time" series and various
translations thereof -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?851385
(scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to see the cover scans.)

Then there are "series covers" which were reused by multiple books in
the same series, e.g. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1875586
or http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2013849

And then there are oddball cases like this Jim Burns cover --
http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/e/ef/HNSCNCFCTN1981.jpg . The left part,
the center part and the right part have been used separately on a number
of different books -- see http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1271575

leno...@yahoo.com

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May 13, 2018, 3:49:48 PM5/13/18
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On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 9:02:54 PM UTC-4, Moriarty wrote:

>
> That's not a lot to go on, but possibly "The Forgotten Beasts of Eld", Patricia McKillip, 1974.
>

I'm 99% sure that's it, thank you! (Not that I recognize the title.)

Luckily for me, as soon as you gave the title, I checked in Google Images -

https://www.google.com/search?q=Forgotten+Beasts+of+Eld&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5w63NtoPbAhWCg-AKHZYUBkEQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=910#imgrc=_

- and when you do that, you get other, different titles as well, so it was like picking someone out of a line-up. I saw that the Avon edition (with the cat, lion, falcon and dragon) looked pretty familiar. Only AFTER doing that did I click on the link in your next post that shows only the Avon edition.

Maybe I thought of Brian Froud only because Sybel's blonde hair seems to glow in the dark. Don't know why that would do it - after all, the artwork has no other resemblance! Does anyone know who did it? (There's another Avon edition that shows Sybel riding on the dragon - I presume that was drawn by someone else.)


Lenona.

leno...@yahoo.com

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May 13, 2018, 3:51:37 PM5/13/18
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Guess what - there was a new edition last year!

leno...@yahoo.com

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May 13, 2018, 3:54:22 PM5/13/18
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>
> Maybe I thought of Brian Froud only because Sybel's blonde hair seems to glow in the dark. Don't know why that would do it - after all, the artwork has no other resemblance! Does anyone know who did it?


I think I found the name - Gervasio Gallardo.

More of his book covers:

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=910&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=upf4WsuGEKqMggec473ADA&q=Gervasio+Gallardo+books&oq=Gervasio+Gallardo+books&gs_l=img.3...15670.16381.0.16637.6.6.0.0.0.0.120.433.5j1.6.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.1.70...0i30k1.0.SgLEp-pACSM


Lenona.

Greg Goss

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May 13, 2018, 9:21:34 PM5/13/18
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Telzey Amberdon?

--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.

Greg Goss

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May 13, 2018, 9:26:03 PM5/13/18
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Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:

>Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:29:30 PM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:00:06 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> > In article
>>> > <lenona> wrote:
>>> > >I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and
>>> > >control them. That's all I really remember.

>>> Actually, I only saw the cover (it was a mass-market, pocket-size book)
>>> and was told about it by someone else, sometime from 1973 to 1976. I
>>> THINK the cover had a black or dark background. The woman was on the
>>> cover and surrounded by animals. It's possible the artwork resembled
>>> Brian Froud's. I looked up Lackey's book covers just now -


>Telzey Amberdon?
http://tinyurl.com/y7y5dwho

Dorothy J Heydt

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May 14, 2018, 12:15:06 AM5/14/18
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In article <fls6kq...@mid.individual.net>,
Did the animals surrounding the woman look like big saber-tooth
cats?

Magewolf

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May 14, 2018, 2:44:30 PM5/14/18
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I was thinking more about artwork that was made for a book cover and
then reused as opposed to something used as a brand image. And I think
translations of a book with the same cover should not really count as a
different book.

There are also times when books are divided differently such as a single
hardcover coming out as two paperbacks,multiple books being combined
into a new edition, and I know that Japanese translations used to be
divided up most of the time though after my book contact moved back to
the US I have fallen years behind.

So as long as the cover is on a book that contains in whole or part the
book that it was first on I would not count that as a different book either.

Ahasuerus

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May 15, 2018, 11:45:09 AM5/15/18
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It may be possible to extract this information from the ISFDB database,
but it would require careful massaging. Our backups are publicly
available
(http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB_Downloads#Database_Backups),
so anyone can give it a try. Something like:

select t1.title_id, t1.title_title from titles t1
where t1.title_ttype = 'COVERART'
and
(select count(t2.title_id)
from titles t2
where t2.title_ttype = 'COVERART'
and t2.title_parent = t1.title_id) > 6;

would be one place to start.

Lenona

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Jun 27, 2021, 9:20:48 PM6/27/21
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I found a copy of the Avon edition yesterday, for a dollar, at an outdoor library sale. (That's 50 cents less than the original price!) Somehow, in the last three years, I haven't seen that particular edition, despite going to plenty of sales.

It's always a thrill to get your hands on something you haven't seen in person since you were little...

It looks like a longer book than I was expecting, somehow. But then, I doubt many kids who are under ten would read it - and back then, I was.

Butch Malahide

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Jun 28, 2021, 1:47:34 AM6/28/21
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On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 2:32:00 PM UTC-5, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm pretty sure she had supernatural powers and could talk with and control them. That's all I really remember.
>
>
>
>
> Lenona.

The Iron Orchid (among others) was a lady with a menagerie in Michael Moorcock's _Dancers at the End of Time_ series. Did the menagerie include a time traveler?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time

Lenona

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Jun 28, 2021, 2:58:04 AM6/28/21
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On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:47:34 AM UTC-4, Butch Malahide wrote:
>
> The Iron Orchid (among others) was a lady with a menagerie in Michael Moorcock's _Dancers at the End of Time_ series. Did the menagerie include a time traveler?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time


Maybe I should have erased the old part, but the book I was searching for turned out to be The Forgotten Beasts of Eld, which I bought on Saturday. Haven't read it yet.
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