I know he's been doing some serious physics research. But has he
stopped writing?? Anyone know? He's one of only two authors writing
today (the other being Vernor Vinge) that I consider as working at the
absolute top of the field, and that I will buy instantly without
question.
I would concur with your estimation of Egan's work. A recent
inivitation to an anthology went unanswered, but I've heard rumors
that he is writing and has at least a couple of tales in the pipeline.
Cheers,
John Pelan
www.darksidepress.com
I've seen announcement of, I think, three separate stories that will
appear in different anthologies in 2006 and 2007.
Besides physics research, he spent considerable time and energy, as I
understand, dealing with Australia's treatment of refugees.
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Funny that none of us down here have heard of that. He must be doing a
really awful job.
We treat "asylum seekers" like fucking kings. If they didn't want to
stay locked up forever and are really refugees they would tell the
government what country they are from and who they are etc. They're the
only ones who stay locked up for any length of time. It's a good thing
too.
> Besides physics research, he spent considerable time and energy, as I
> understand, dealing with Australia's treatment of refugees.
Is he for or against political asylum and immigration?
--
Ht
Egan is very much in favour of helping the downtrodden.
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An easier way is to just visit his website:
http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/
The banner across the top sort of gives it away...
- W. Citoan
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(One statement of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.)
-- Anonymous
I'd really like it if we could keep the political stuff out of this
group, okay?
** rolls eyes **
We are not discussing politics; we are discussing the politics of an
author. It is a rare author whose politics don't influence their work
so it's on topic.
If you want to play netcop, pick an actual off topic thread. There are
plenty of them to choose from. Good luck...
- W. Citoan
--
Give me where to stand, and I shall move the world.
-- Archimedes
Your opinion. If someone is interested in why Greg Egan hasn't been
writing lately, great. If people want to post things about the
Australian government's purported anti-immigration policies (and
references to Greg Egan's website, where he discusses this topic), I
disagree that that has anything to do with his writing.
> If you want to play netcop, pick an actual off topic thread. There are
> plenty of them to choose from. Good luck...
Oh please. I was hardly netcopping anyone. I was just asking politely
if we could could stick to SF, which this thread had definitely moved
away from.
Authors are on topic...
> > If you want to play netcop, pick an actual off topic thread. There are
> > plenty of them to choose from. Good luck...
>
> Oh please. I was hardly netcopping anyone. I was just asking politely
> if we could could stick to SF, which this thread had definitely moved
> away from.
A quick google search shows that you are a hypocrite...
Hmmm, so if he was a rabid pro-life activist (or some other inflammatory
subject), discussing his involvement in such activities here would be on
topic? I somehow don't think so...
> > > If you want to play netcop, pick an actual off topic thread. There are
> > > plenty of them to choose from. Good luck...
> >
> > Oh please. I was hardly netcopping anyone. I was just asking politely
> > if we could could stick to SF, which this thread had definitely moved
> > away from.
>
> A quick google search shows that you are a hypocrite...
I won't say I've always been perfect in that regard myself (I doubt
anyone here has.) That said, that has nothing to do with whether my
request (and my claim that it was polite) was netcopping or not. I've
no idea what your problem is, but I'm being reminded now of the old
adage about not arguing with an idiot, as bystanders can't distinguish
the two people.
*PLONK*
> I've seen announcement of, I think, three separate stories that will
> appear in different anthologies in 2006 and 2007.
Dozois has him commissioned for an anthology entitled '1 million AD' due in
2005/2006: http://www.asimovs.com/discus/messages/5/2175.html?1108329583
Also, 'Jonathan' has agreements from Egan for two more short stories, due
2006/2007: http://www.ttapress.com/discus/messages/541/660.html?1109327057
, although if I'm not mistaken John Pelan (who has already replied to this
thread) is the very same chap?
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> We are not discussing politics; we are discussing the politics of an
> author. It is a rare author whose politics don't influence their work
> so it's on topic.
Although I'd rather not watch a flame-fest regarding asylum seekers, you
are correct that it influences his work. Or, at the very least, the subject
of asylum crops up in many of his stories (e.g. the founding of NHK in
Quarantine)
--
Jon Dowland
Useful information! Thanks. From those links:
> Well, Greg's signed the contract to write the story, so as long as he
actually
> delivers, there'll be at least one new Greg Egan story out in late
2005/early
> 2006 (not sure yet when the book's going to be published). Heard on
the
> grapevine that he's committed to write another story for another
anthology
> this year too. Let's hope he's coming out of his silent period.
> - Gardner Dozois
and
> As to what he's doing: I've been in touch with Greg every now and
then for
> the past few years and have had no trouble getting him to respond to
emails.
> Until quite recently I don't think he'd been writing much at all,
instead
> focussing his energies on the political situation regarding the
Australian
> government's handling of refugees to this country (something he's
discussed
> on his website). From what he said a while ago, he was two chapters
into a
> novel that wasn't progressing much at all. However, just recently he
seems to
> have shown some interest in doing more writing. When that will result
in
> something new getting published, I couldn't say, but there is some
hope.
> - Jonathan Strahan
Bob Hearn
Isn't that the excuse S.M. Stirling uses when he argues politics here?
I don't buy it.
Australia's refugee problems are on-topic here only so far as they
appear in Egan's books; anything more general belongs elsewhere.
--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
Abstract reasoning cannot decide any question of fact or existence.
-David Hume
The particular belief doesn't matter. A statement regarding what an
author believes is on topic. A debate regarding the appropriateness of
that belief would not be on topic. This thread was the former and not
the latter.
> > > > If you want to play netcop, pick an actual off topic thread.
> > > > There are plenty of them to choose from. Good luck...
> > >
> > > Oh please. I was hardly netcopping anyone. I was just asking
> > > politely if we could could stick to SF, which this thread had
> > > definitely moved away from.
> >
> > A quick google search shows that you are a hypocrite...
>
> I won't say I've always been perfect in that regard myself (I doubt
> anyone here has.) That said, that has nothing to do with whether my
> request (and my claim that it was polite) was netcopping or not.
Your "request" was an attempt to control the discussion. Whether it was
polite or not is irrelevant. Telling people "don't do what I do" is not
good form.
> I've no idea what your problem is, but I'm being reminded now of the
> old adage about not arguing with an idiot, as bystanders can't
> distinguish the two people.
Ah, yes - the old "you don't accept what I'm selling so you're an idiot"
argument. My "problem" is I don't agree with you & I'm willing to tell
you that. Your problem is that you're not willing to be disagreed with.
Tough.
> *PLONK*
LOL. You'd better get thicker skin if that's enough for you to plonk
someone. That is if you really did plonk me. I've seen too many people
respond to people they have plonked to put any faith in that claim any
more.
- W. Citoan
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-- Simon Camerson
Quote where we talked about Australia's refugee problems. You can't
because we didn't. The question was "what was Egan's belief" and the
answer was "you'll find it here".
There was no one arguing politics.
Yes. I'm amazed that people are objecting to a simple statement[1] of
what Egan believes in. If there had been a resultant thread on that
belief, I could understand objections to the drift, but that didn't
happen.
[1] Not even really that. A link to his website actually...
I will join an off-topic thread now and again as will most (but not all)
of the regulars here. But this one certainly wasn't one of those.
Stateless in _Distress_.
"Not to mention the refugess of _Diaspora_ and _Schild's Ladder_."
Oh, and I agree that this thread of
"Why isn't Egan writing more?"
"He's into politics of X these days."
"Really?"
"Yeah, look at his website, -here-, where he says so."
is hardly off-topic political discussion.
-xx- Damien X-)
That was kinda my point. A gray area is the occasional discussion of
James Hogan's writing and some of his kookier beliefs, but those (IIRC)
have usually been at least loosely tied into a specific book(s) (the
thread, I mean...)
> That said, that has nothing to do with whether my
> request (and my claim that it was polite) was netcopping or not.
Of course it was netcopping. Sheesh!
A polite request to keep posts on-topic is netcopping? I had rather
thought it was far harsher responses, usually trying to get someone's
account revoked, etc..
This really amuses me. I've found over the years, that if the ng is so
full of crap that you feel it necessary to *plonk*, then perhaps, you
should spend more time in other venues. I freely admit that in the
past, I have been a major asshole (at some times, in some places).
However, the best weapon to use against the witless, is to.....
>> *PLONK*
>
> LOL. You'd better get thicker skin if that's enough for you to plonk
> someone. That is if you really did plonk me. I've seen too many people
> respond to people they have plonked to put any faith in that claim any
> more.
>
>
Yes, but plonked for how long? By default, my newsreader plonks people for
30 days only, and it's possible that the people you're referring to had
done something similar. Of course, if they said *PLONK* to someone and
then replied the very next day, then you would have a point.
--
David Cowie
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> In article <3aota9F...@individual.net>, sean...@gmail.com says...
> > In the Year of the Cock, the Great and Powerful W. Citoan declared:
> > >
> > > We are not discussing politics; we are discussing the politics of an
> > > author. It is a rare author whose politics don't influence their work
> > > so it's on topic.
> > >
> >
> > Australia's refugee problems are on-topic here only so far as they
> > appear in Egan's books; anything more general belongs elsewhere.
>
> That was kinda my point. A gray area is the occasional discussion of
> James Hogan's writing and some of his kookier beliefs, but those (IIRC)
> have usually been at least loosely tied into a specific book(s) (the
> thread, I mean...)
>
and dasu...@cs.indiana.edu (Damien R. Sullivan) wrote , nearby:
>
> Stateless in _Distress_.
>
> "Not to mention the refugess of _Diaspora_ and _Schild's Ladder_."
>
> Oh, and I agree that this thread of
>
> "Why isn't Egan writing more?"
> "He's into politics of X these days."
> "Really?"
> "Yeah, look at his website, -here-, where he says so."
>
> is hardly off-topic political discussion.
Give it up, Dan. This is close enough to on-topic for (pretty much)
everyone but you.
Cheers -- Pete Tillman
FWIW, I tend to plonk threads rather than posters. The fact that my
newsreader doesn't support killfiles may have something to do with
this (though it will allow me to "ignore" the reaminder of a thread).
The danger, of course, is that I'll miss something worthwhile in some
other corner of the thread. However, the danger is small, and I read
too much Usenet anyway...
Regards,
-=Dave
--
Change is inevitable, progress is not.
Kudos to Egan. Glad to hear that he's a first-rate human being as
well as a first-rate writer...and that unlike some auteurs who shall
remain nameless, he's acting out his political belief in much more
constructive fashion than shooting his mouth off on Usenet.
--
Ht
That 30 days parameter always strikes me as ludicruous, since
considering the fixity of human nature, if someone is annoying to
someone else, chances are overwhelming that neither will change to be
compatible with the others within that paltry time span. 30 *years*
might be a more realistic parameter.
> and it's possible that the people you're referring to had
> done something similar. Of course, if they said *PLONK* to someone
and
> then replied the very next day, then you would have a point.
The PLONKER can always reply indirectly through posts from other
people that quote the PLONKEE...after making a big show of "PLONKING",
of course.
PLONKING is often just another debating tactics for twits.
--
Ht
Yes. Apparently you don't know what's on-topic in this newsgroup and
you don't know what netcopping is.
I'd steer clear of this type of thing in the future until you've got a
firmer grip on both.
--
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No sarcasm intended here: do you have an actual definition (not just
your subjective viewpoint?) I ask because I've actually googled around
some, and the definition I'd always used is fairly common.
> I'd steer clear of this type of thing in the future until you've got a
> firmer grip on both.
Thanks, but I'd decided to drop it anyway.
>Australia's refugee problems are on-topic here only so far as they
>appear in Egan's books; anything more general belongs elsewhere.
Unless someone asks why Egan isn't writing these days...
For that matter, where has Vernor Vinge gone? The last I heard he was
busy expanding Fast Times into a novel and claiming that he was trying
to write shorter books :)
6 years and counting since A Deepness in the Sky...
Sam
> For that matter, where has Vernor Vinge gone? The last I heard he was
> busy expanding Fast Times into a novel and claiming that he was trying
> to write shorter books :)
> 6 years and counting since A Deepness in the Sky...
You haven't seen "Rainbow's End" ?
Why isn't Egan writing these days?
(yes, yes, I know ... I just couldn't help myself)
ObSF: A lot of this stuff does leak through into his books.
/Distress/, especially. And /Diaspora/ is my favorite post-apocalyptic
survivalist novel :-).
-----sharks [Melbourne, Australia]
It's not SF, but he did post something to sci.math just last week.
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It's Ensign Schrodinger! He's half-dead, Jim!
I do.
I don't think it would be on-topic for him to promote his view here. I
don't think that it would be on-topic for us to argue about whether his
views are right or wrong. However, it is on-topic to say, "yeah Egan's
trying to help immigrants wipe out Oz culture" or "Egan's trying to put
immigrants back on (leaky) boats and send them home."
I've read maybe half-a-dozen Egans. I don't recall: did the immigration
issue (whatever it is) appear in any of his works?
>For that matter, where has Vernor Vinge gone? The last I heard he was
>busy expanding Fast Times into a novel and claiming that he was trying
>to write shorter books :)
>6 years and counting since A Deepness in the Sky...
Another chapter of that novel-in-progress was published as a standalone
last year -- in IEEE Spectrum, IIRC! (Even if I'm wrong, I'm certain it
was a venue noted for publishing fact, not fiction.)
Alexx
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That's a very flamebait-y way of putting that. Well, since the glove has
been dropped:
"Screw every known human culture."
- Greg Egan, /Distress/
> I've read maybe half-a-dozen Egans. I don't recall: did the immigration
> issue (whatever it is) appear in any of his works?
I recall the idea of refugees from inundation caused by global warming
being mentioned in /Distress/ and at least one other work. I am not sure
about current draconian detention of refugees, but several of his short
stories deal with the theme of civil rights in Australia.
--
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Yes, see <Xns9626EF2A6A...@194.117.143.38> and replies in this
thread.
>>6 years and counting since A Deepness in the Sky...
>
>Another chapter of that novel-in-progress was published as a standalone
>last year -- in IEEE Spectrum, IIRC!
YDRC.
Unfortunately, I read this issue and, following habit, discarded it
when done. It's going to be worth a pretty penny some day, would be
my guess.
--
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