Dogs

[lal_truckee]

What Science Fiction features dogs?
(Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
equally silly thing.)

There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.

I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
lost during the hand waving.
Where are the dogs?

(I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

[David Dyer-Bennet]

lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> writes:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>
> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for
> emigrants.

Heinlein again -- the K9 corps in Starship Troopers (well, neo-dogs).

> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?

Authors tend towards being cat people -- including Heinlein.

> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

Yes, I was going to mention that, but you got there.
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[Will in New Haven]

Well, some people think Pern is an SF setting and McAffery mentions
"the canines" at times.
Lots of dogs in post-apocolyptic fiction (fiction about people who
can't spell?) which generally reads more like fantasy to me.

--
Will in New Haven

[Moriarty]

On Mar 19, 11:22 am, Will in New Haven

Like "A Boy and His Dog"? Definitely more fantasy than science
fiction.

-Moriarty

[Kurt Busiek]

Not definitely, no. Except when using the "it's not science fiction
unless it's _hard_ science fiction" ruler, which eliminates most of
what the genre was named to describe.

It's set in the future, it's got psi-stuff that's meant as science, not
magic, it's got radiation-created mutations -- what's not science
fiction about it? Is DAMNATION ALLEY fantasy now, too?

Anyway, someone's going to mention the graphic novel WE3, so I'll list that.

There's a "space hound" in SIRENS OF TITAN, if "infundibulation"
doesn't render it fantasy for not being realistic enough in its science.

There's Lockjaw of the Inhumans in FANTASTIC FOUR, which is science
fiction in that it invokes aliens and genetics to perform its fantastic
stuff. Plus, Lockjaw's great, so he counts.

Frank the Pug from the MEN IN BLACK movies is technically not a dog,
but screw it, he's a dog.

Kojak, from THE STAND. Which I suppose is fantasy/horror, but Kojak
doesn't know that.

THE PLAGUE DOGS by Richard Adams?

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[Chris]

In a word, dogshit. It's all based in science- some futuristic (DUH
It's science fiction!) but science nonetheless. Even the rationale for
kidnapping/seducing Vick to the Underground is based on reasonable
genetics.

Chris

[Chris]

On Mar 18, 8:38 pm, Moriarty <blue...@ivillage.com> wrote:

Oh wait- I get it now. It's YOUR fantasy. Never mind.

JK LOL

Chris

[david.sh...@ymail.com]

On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?

...
> Where are the dogs?

In "Allamagoosa", the official ship's dog plays an
important role.

[Cryptoengineer]

On Mar 18, 9:11 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:

> Visithttp://www.busiek.com-- for all your Busiek needs!

The Tines in Vinge's 'A Fire Upon the Deep', and 'The Children of the
Sky'.

Eric Frank Russell's 'Allamagoosa'

pt

[Jessica]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:01:37 -0700, lal_truckee wrote:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/03/the-10-best-dogs-in-science-fiction

[lal_truckee]

I thought I'd found the mother lode with your link, but it's film/video
and hence mostly gag hounds.

I'm interested if authors 1) think dogs and man will stay partners and
2) how that partnership may evolve. cf Simak.

Given the importance of dogs in the success of man in the last 40,000
years, do dogs have a role in the next 40,000? Given their ubiquity even
in urban areas they seem scarce in the "future."

[Moriarty]

On Mar 19, 12:11 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:

I must admit, it's been 20 years or so since I read it, so I'll plead
memory loss and read it again. What I remember of it was that the psi-
stuff was just some sort of voodoo mind power that I always associate
with magic.

-Moriarty

[Don Kuenz]

History Repeats by George O. Smith
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/23884

Peacekeeper," chuckled the dog. "Well listen and become wise.
Dog and man, man and dog, have been together for about a
half-million years. Once dog helped man in war and peace,
and man gave dog food and shelter. Dog helped man rise above
the level of the savage, and man has helped dog rise to the
level of intelligence. But dog has one advantage. None of
us has been intelligent long enough to really believe that
dog has a soul, and those of us who do believe that also
know that dog's soul is devoted to man. Do you know about
dog, Xanabian-Peacekeeper?"

"No-"

"Then don't force me to show you what kind of adversary
intelligent dog can be. Mere man is a pushover!"

--
Don Kuenz

[Robert Carnegie]

On Monday, 18 March 2013 23:01:37 UTC, lal_truckee wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?

Clifford? Digby? Er, _Twilight_?

[Jessica]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:09:08 -0700, lal_truckee wrote:

> I thought I'd found the mother lode with your link, but it's film/video
> and hence mostly gag hounds.

I suppose Gaspode, Laddie and Big Fido don't count either?

[Kip Williams]

Will in New Haven wrote, On 3/18/13 8:22 PM:

> Lots of dogs in post-apocolyptic fiction (fiction about people who
> can't spell?) which generally reads more like fantasy to me.

"Twilight," by "Don A. Stuart" (John W. Campbell) has a brief mention of
the rise and fall of dogs in the future. In my edition of _Science
Fiction Hall of Fame_, it goes by on page 55.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:01:37 -0700, lal_truckee

<lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<news:ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me> in rec.arts.sf.written:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?

> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be
> werewolfs or some equally silly thing.)

Oh, there are dogs in fantasy. There's Toto, of course, and
Harry Dresden's Foo dog Mouse, right off the top of my head.
And the Disreputable Dog in Nix's _Liriel_, while certainly
not an ordinary dog, is also certainly not a werewolf.

[...]

Ellison's 'A Boy and His Dog' has already been mentioned.
There is apparently a very stupid dog named Know-Nothing
Bozo the Non-Wonder Dog in _So Long and Thanks for All the
Fish_. The title character in Olaf Stapledon's _Sirius_ is
a dog. In Panshin's _Rite of Passage_ and Pangborn's _Davy_
they're just part of the background, but they're there. A
dachshund named Hildegarde is a significant character in
Modesitt's _Haze_, and another one, Freya, makes an
important walk-on appearance at the end. Then there are the
Askanam arena hounds in the Telzey Amberdon story
'Undercurrents'. And let us by no means omit Cordwainer
Smith's D'Joan.

If you count the genus as a whole, there's Lucas in
Dickson's _Sleepwalker's World_.

Brian

[Richard Todd]

Do the dogs in the stories have to be just regular ordinary dogs like
we have today, or can they be enhanced? David Weber's _Heirs of
Empire_ (book 3 of the Dahak trilogy) had as minor characters a set of
uplifted/genetically enhanced dogs that turned out to play an important
role. There were some telepathically-enhanced reengineered dogs that one of
the marshal guys had with him in Hamilton's _The Reality Dysfunction_ too....

[Jessica]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:01:37 -0700, lal_truckee wrote:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?

I forgot to mention Borril in _Carpe Diem_. He makes another appearance in
_Prodigal Son_.

Well, he's not exactly a dog. He's "that species which fills the role of
watch-pet here". A dog by any other name. He certainly acts like a dog.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <ylfkip4o...@dd-b.net>,

David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>> equally silly thing.)
>>
>> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
>> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
>> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for
>> emigrants.
>
>Heinlein again -- the K9 corps in Starship Troopers (well, neo-dogs).
>
>> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
>> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
>> lost during the hand waving.
>> Where are the dogs?
>
>Authors tend towards being cat people -- including Heinlein.
>
>> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
>
>Yes, I was going to mention that, but you got there.

There's Rick Brant's "Dismal".

Stirling & Drake's war dogs in the Raj Whitehall series.

Do dogs actually show up in "We Also Walk Dogs"?


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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:11:26 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>>>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>>>> equally silly thing.)
>

>Anyway, someone's going to mention the graphic novel WE3, so I'll list that.
>
>There's a "space hound" in SIRENS OF TITAN, if "infundibulation"
>doesn't render it fantasy for not being realistic enough in its science.
>
>There's Lockjaw of the Inhumans in FANTASTIC FOUR, which is science
>fiction in that it invokes aliens and genetics to perform its fantastic
>stuff. Plus, Lockjaw's great, so he counts.
>
>Frank the Pug from the MEN IN BLACK movies is technically not a dog,
>but screw it, he's a dog.
>
>Kojak, from THE STAND. Which I suppose is fantasy/horror, but Kojak
>doesn't know that.
>
>THE PLAGUE DOGS by Richard Adams?

I'm fairly sure that SOME of the Norton human-plus-animal-companion stuff
features dogs, though she was biased towards cats and birds as far as I know.

Florence Jenkins in the webcomic Freefall (yes, technically she's a modified
Bowman's Wolf, but the robots ALL initially call her "DOGGY!").

Dave
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[Don Bruder]

In article <ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me>,

Well, let's start with Blood, from the ever popular "A Boy and His Dog".

Hmmm... Do you count King's The Stand as "science fiction"-ey enough? If
so, don't forget Kojak/Big Steve (But then, he's "special" mainly
because he's one of the very very few dog survivors - so far as the text
is concerned, he's one of only two known surviving dogs in the world)

How about the "The Rat Thing"(s) from Snow Crash? Borged, nuclear
powered, supersonic, but at base, dogs

This one is a bit of a stretch: Dr. Who's part-time sidekick K-9...

John Varley's tale "Tango Charley and Foxtrot Romeo" features quite a
few dogs.

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In article <07572789-f7ca-460c-acd0-ed5e51767c93
@r8g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>, bill....@taylorandfrancis.com says...

>
> On Mar 18, 7:01ï¿œpm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > What Science Fiction features dogs?
> > (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> > equally silly thing.)
> >
> > There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> > mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> > his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
> >
> > I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> > diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> > lost during the hand waving.
> > Where are the dogs?
> >
> > (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
>
> Well, some people think Pern is an SF setting and McAffery mentions
> "the canines" at times.

It wouldn't have gotten published if she hadn't convinced John W.
Campbell, who was a pretty hard sell, that it was science fiction and
not fantasy.

In the issue in which the first installment appears his editorial was on
that very topic.

[Peter Huebner]

In article <ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me>, lal_t...@yahoo.com says...

Surprised nobody's mentioned Sirius by Stapledon yet.

Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon deals with a booby trapped dog in one story.

[Butch Malahide]

On Mar 18, 6:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?

Umber, the dog in Bester's "Adam and No Eve".

Rex, the dog in Brown's "All Good Bems".

William F. Temple's "The Smile of the Sphinx" is a cat story, but the
backstory (if that's the right word) includes an ancient apocalyptic
war between cats and dogs.

[Mike Stone]

"Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
news:b9b963d8-3838-4e8c...@w3g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

>Eric Frank Russell's 'Allamagoosa'

>pt

Dogs figured in quite a few Russells- There's Good Boy in "Into Your Tent
I'll Creep" and Rippy the Ranger in "The Undecided".
I also recall a short which I'm almost certain is another Russell, but can't
pin down. It's about a being in the far future who is searching for the
long-vanished Human Race. When he achieves his goal, the godlike being tells
him "Yes, I am Man - and you are Dog".

There's also Peter in Fredric Brown's "Search", which in some ways parallels
the above.


--
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The Lord gave us two ears but only one mouth. Perhaps we should take the
hint.

[mws...@uwclub.net]

Dogs figured in quite a few Russells. There's Good Boy in "Into Your Tent I'll Creep" and Rippy the Ranger in "The Undecided".

[Stephen Allcroft]

On Mar 19, 1:11 am, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:

I feel the SF has become like rock music, a home for genre purists and
a genre purist will tell you the plague dogs is a techno-thriller with
anthropormorphised dogs (and geordie fox).

The Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks probably counts as SF by most
people's standards and Dziet Sma's pregnant pet Gainly is clearly a
creature at least as canoid as the culture humans are hmanoid...

[Stephen Allcroft]

On Mar 19, 10:28 am, Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcr...@lycos.co.uk>
wrote:

I'm also surprised nobody has mentioned Naomi Mitchison's Diary of a
Spacewoman.

[Harold Hill]

On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)

You say to leave out Fantasy, but I think that I must mention
Zelazny's _A Night in the Lonesome October_, if nothing else, for the
fact that the entire story is told, first-person, by a dog.

--
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[Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)]

On 3/18/13 7:01 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>

I can't remember the title, but there was a story in which dogs had
become uplifted and were assistants to human beings who had become much
closer to gods, and it was told from the dog's point of view.

(Probably there's been more than one such story. I remember another, or
perhaps another part of the same one, in which the human beings were
gone and the dogs trying to cope)

Dean Koontz's _Watchers_ had superintelligent Labrador retrievers.

Doctor Who has K-9, a robotic dog who has some of the best lines in the
show.



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On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>

> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?
>
> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

Frank Herbert did a short story, ``The Gone Dogs''.

William

[James Silverton]

On 3/19/2013 10:14 AM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 3/18/13 7:01 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>> equally silly thing.)
>>
>
> I can't remember the title, but there was a story in which dogs had
> become uplifted and were assistants to human beings who had become much
> closer to gods, and it was told from the dog's point of view.
>
> (Probably there's been more than one such story. I remember
> another, or perhaps another part of the same one, in which the human
> beings were gone and the dogs trying to cope)
>
> Dean Koontz's _Watchers_ had superintelligent Labrador retrievers.
>
> Doctor Who has K-9, a robotic dog who has some of the best lines in
> the show.
>
>
>

I get the feeling that cats are more likely to appear in SF than dogs.
Does this mean that writers are more likely to own a cat than a dog?

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

[J. Clarke]

In article <aqqm2h...@mid.individual.net>, mws...@uwclub.net
says...

>
> "Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
> news:b9b963d8-3838-4e8c...@w3g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Eric Frank Russell's 'Allamagoosa'
>
> >pt
>
>
> Dogs figured in quite a few Russells- There's Good Boy in "Into Your Tent
> I'll Creep" and Rippy the Ranger in "The Undecided".
> I also recall a short which I'm almost certain is another Russell, but can't
> pin down. It's about a being in the far future who is searching for the
> long-vanished Human Race. When he achieves his goal, the godlike being tells
> him "Yes, I am Man - and you are Dog".
>
> There's also Peter in Fredric Brown's "Search", which in some ways parallels
> the above.

I'm trying to remember the title now of a story that starts off with a
pregnant cat being abandoned by the side of a road in a cardboard box
(the teenaged son of the household was supposed to be taking it to a new
home but he had more "important" things to do) and then went to a post-
apocalyptic future in which humans were gone and sentient cats and dogs
(and IIRC rats as well) were the dominant species. There was rivalry
and IIRC warfare between the cats and dogs.

Which reminds me, in media SF (for certain values of "S") there's "Cats
and Dogs" and its sequel.

[Taki Kogoma]

On 2013-03-19, Jessica <m...@privacy.net>
allegedly proclaimed to rec.arts.sf.written:

Since the initial aritcle excluded fantasy, yes.

I wasn't going to bring up Ponch from the Young Wizards series for the
same reason.

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[Kurt Busiek]

On 2013-03-19 06:04:17 +0000, Peter Huebner <no....@this.address> said:

> Surprised nobody's mentioned Sirius by Stapledon yet.

It's been mentioned two or three times, I think. The joys of
asynchronous communication.

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:04:17 +1300, Peter Huebner
<no....@this.address> wrote in
<news:MPG.2bb2c7073...@news.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> Surprised nobody's mentioned Sirius by Stapledon yet.

> Schmitz's Telzey Amberdon deals with a booby trapped dog
> in one story.

I mentioned both of these yesterday.

Brian

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

Cats fit better with the average writer's lifestyle. We often keep
erratic hours and spend long periods intensely focused on a project,
which is not good for ensuring that Fido gets fed on time and walked
regularly. Cats deal with this with greater equanimity.


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t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

> In article <ylfkip4o...@dd-b.net>,
> David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>>lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>>> equally silly thing.)
>>>
>>> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
>>> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
>>> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for
>>> emigrants.
>>
>>Heinlein again -- the K9 corps in Starship Troopers (well, neo-dogs).
>>
>>> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
>>> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
>>> lost during the hand waving.
>>> Where are the dogs?
>>
>>Authors tend towards being cat people -- including Heinlein.
>>
>>> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
>>
>>Yes, I was going to mention that, but you got there.
>
> There's Rick Brant's "Dismal".

Oops! Yes. And most of my reading of those is relatively recent, even
(I only had one when I was the right age for them; I don't think Dismal
was in that one.)

> Stirling & Drake's war dogs in the Raj Whitehall series.
>
> Do dogs actually show up in "We Also Walk Dogs"?

Interesting question. Probably small yappy dogs!
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[Don Kuenz]

"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:

> I get the feeling that cats are more likely to appear in SF than dogs.
> Does this mean that writers are more likely to own a cat than a dog?

Good question.

My cat, who helps me in the lab, reminds me of Maxwell in
_Thrice Upon a Time_, sans the white paws and white area over the
breast. Although my cat's white underneath, he's black on the outside.
He's a mix, with great Siamese features. His hair is shorter than
Schrodinger's in the TV show _Sliders_.

Then there's "My Father the Cat."

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[lal_truckee]

On 3/19/13 3:28 AM, Stephen Allcroft wrote:
> The Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks probably counts as SF by most
> people's standards and Dziet Sma's pregnant pet Gainly is clearly a
> creature at least as canoid as the culture humans are hmanoid...

don't recall the Banks "canoid" - I'll have a rescan.
thanks

everybody in the culture seems to be at the level of "dog or cat" to a
vaster level "person."

[lal_truckee]

On 3/19/13 7:14 AM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
> (Probably there's been more than one such story. I remember
> another, or perhaps another part of the same one, in which the human
> beings were gone and the dogs trying to cope)

sounds like a snippet from Clifford Simak's "City," whose recalling
partially induced the thread.

[David DeLaney]

And, oh duh, one of the denizens/regulars at Callahan's Bar by Spider Robinson
is Ralph von Wau Wau, a mutant German Shepherd with surgical modifications that
allow him to talk.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:46:04 -0400, David DeLaney
<d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in
<news:slrnkkh6h...@gatekeeper.vic.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> And, oh duh, one of the denizens/regulars at Callahan's
> Bar by Spider Robinson is Ralph von Wau Wau, a mutant
> German Shepherd with surgical modifications that allow
> him to talk.

Who first appeared elsewhere:

<http://www.pjfarmer.com/ralph.htm>

Brian

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or
> some equally silly thing.)
>

> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky,
> plus dog mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives
> Lazarus dogs for his wilderness emigration; he appears to think
> dogs are vital for emigrants.
>

> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF
> expansion diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow.
> Dogs seem to get lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?
>

> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
>

There were Traveller novels, weren't there? Do Vargyr still count as
dogs?

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[alie...@gmail.com]

On Mar 18, 4:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>
> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?

Do the alien dog-people in Campbell's _Invaders From the Infinite_
count?


Mark L. Fergerson

[david.sh...@ymail.com]

On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some

A few years ago, in a similar kind of thread, Wayne Throop wrote:
>Did anybody mention Conrad Nomikos' puppy, Bortan?
>Last surviving dog on earth, because the others were
>far too trusting of humans. Surviving, largely because
>his mutation included highly armored skin, teeth like
>buzzsaws, and eyes like glowing coals.

> "It is good for a man to have a dog."


> --- Hassan (as Bortan sniffed him)

[Rod Speed]

"Lawrence Watt-Evans" <l...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:kia3h6$ctd$1...@dont-email.me...

Dunno, I fed the neighbours cats when they were away and routinely
use outlook alarms to remind me of that sort of thing that matters that
I don't do all the time. When the neighbours returned, it was obvious
to them when I used to feed the cats.

[Wayne Throop]

: Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com>
: There were Traveller novels, weren't there?

: Do Vargyr still count as dogs?

Hm. One could argue that Saberhagen's Empire-o-th-East-verse and
Butcher's Alera-verse are science fiction. Onaccounta they connect to our
own world, and the "supernatural" or "fantasy" elements in them are sort
of tied to our "reality" in a handwavy-science sort of way. Not quite
as securely science fictional as Lord of Light or This Immortal, maybe
(both have dogs, btw (or, in TI, "dog")), but it's arguable. In which
case, if the Vargyr count, then probably the Canim and Draffut count.

And then there are the dog-derived underpeople in the
Instrumentality-o-Mankind-verse.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote in
news:13637...@sheol.org:

Currently re-reading Magnificant by Julian May. There was a scent
involving dogs there, though it was a very minor scene. The narrator
character, of course, is a cat person.

[david.sh...@ymail.com]

On Mar 19, 2:43 pm, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy

<tausti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Currently re-reading Magnificant by Julian May. There was a scent
> involving dogs there, though it was a very minor scene. The narrator
> character, of course, is a cat person.

Isn't that "Magnificat"? I don't usually point out typos,
but it seems relevant in this case.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

david.sh...@ymail.com wrote in
news:f6529ee5-e17e-4b48...@h9g2000vbk.googlegroups.c
om:

You are correct. And I really made an effort to not do that, I swear
I did.

Didn't realize that was written as late as it was (1996). I was
thinking that May was more prescient thant she was about same sex
marriage, writing something like that in the 80s. Sigh.

[Jerry Brown]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:01:37 -0700, lal_truckee
<lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>What Science Fiction features dogs?
>(Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>equally silly thing.)
>

>There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
>mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
>his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
>I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
>diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
>lost during the hand waving.
>Where are the dogs?
>

>(I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

William Tenn: Null-P

--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)

[ppint. at pplay]

- hi; in article,
<3534ba86-7e65-4b8f...@w3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
stephen...@lycos.co.uk "Stephen Allcroft" raised an eyebrow:

>
>I'm also surprised nobody has mentioned Naomi Mitchison's
>Diary of a Spacewoman.

- perhaps they preferred her Memoirs? (- [1])

- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
[1] - "I like rhetorical questions;
I usually get them right."
- joann l.dominik, 6/95

[Robert Carnegie]

If telepathy is allowed, the spaceships' psionic
communications officers in A. Bertram Chandler's
galactic-rim setting use a dog brain in a jar
as a signal amplifier. I suppose they don't use
a whole live dog because... well, that would not be
sci-fi enough, and even just silly, which somehow
you don't notice when it's in a (probably quite
small) jar. And then maybe it also involves
electrodes. Or special growth hormone.

In the parallel universe where giant intelligent
rats are in charge, their psionic officers use
human brains, and, presumably, larger jars.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in news:1a12d3c5-
414b-4802-b49...@googlegroups.com:

> If telepathy is allowed, the spaceships' psionic
> communications officers in A. Bertram Chandler's
> galactic-rim setting use a dog brain in a jar
> as a signal amplifier. I suppose they don't use
> a whole live dog because... well, that would not be
> sci-fi enough, and even just silly, which somehow
> you don't notice when it's in a (probably quite
> small) jar. And then maybe it also involves
> electrodes. Or special growth hormone.
>

In Magnificat, dogs (and cats) are telepathic enough they can
converse with humans, provided the human is a grand master or better.
Dogs spend in complete sentences. I suspect cats could, but are just
too surly to bother.

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 3/19/2013 7:14 AM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:

> On 3/18/13 7:01 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>> equally silly thing.)
>>
>

> I can't remember the title, but there was a story in which dogs had
> become uplifted and were assistants to human beings who had become much
> closer to gods, and it was told from the dog's point of view.
>
> (Probably there's been more than one such story. I remember
> another, or perhaps another part of the same one, in which the human
> beings were gone and the dogs trying to cope)
>
> Dean Koontz's _Watchers_ had superintelligent Labrador retrievers.
>
> Doctor Who has K-9, a robotic dog who has some of the best lines in
> the show.
>

Probably because there were times when K-9 was the smartest being in the
show. :D


--
The 'Enterprise' crew in the 2009 Star Trek are adrenaline addicted,
hyper-active teenagers with ADD whose Ritalin got replaced with
methamphetamine, displaying a level of discipline that a Somali pirate
wouldn't tolerate.

[Howard Brazee]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:28:36 -0700 (PDT), david.sh...@ymail.com
wrote:

>On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What Science Fiction features dogs?

>...
>> Where are the dogs?
>
>In "Allamagoosa", the official ship's dog plays an
>important role.

We only saw him for a second or so, hardly noticing him.

--
Anybody who agrees with one side all of the time or disagrees with the
other side all of the time is equally guilty of letting others do
their thinking for them.

[Howard Brazee]

There's an early SF novel with people on some way, way, future lost
planet with huge bugs - and dogs that loved them.

[Howard Brazee]

There's a story where the humans make cats to chase the planet's mice,
then keep going up the line until that planet produced vermin that
looked like people.

One stage had terriers to catch the rats.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <257ik8p53n5a7ajr6...@4ax.com>,

Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>There's an early SF novel with people on some way, way, future lost
>planet with huge bugs - and dogs that loved them.
>

Sound's like Leinster's _The Forgotten Planet_ except I don't remember
any dogs.
--
------
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Joseph Nebus]

In <257ik8p53n5a7ajr6...@4ax.com> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> writes:

>There's an early SF novel with people on some way, way, future lost
>planet with huge bugs - and dogs that loved them.

Might you be thinking of Clifford Simak's _City_? There were
also robots left over from the humans, who had themselves left to
become giant telepathic monsters on Jupiter, an event which takes
surprisingly few pages to happen.

--
http://nebusresearch.wordpress.com/ Joseph Nebus
Current Entry: On Peeking At Cedar Point http://wp.me/p1RYhY-qI
--------------------------------------------------------+---------------------

[Robert A. Woodward]

In article <XnsA1886B86FD7...@69.16.186.50>,

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:

> lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > What Science Fiction features dogs?
> > (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or
> > some equally silly thing.)
> >
> > There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky,
> > plus dog mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives
> > Lazarus dogs for his wilderness emigration; he appears to think
> > dogs are vital for emigrants.
> >
> > I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF
> > expansion diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow.
> > Dogs seem to get lost during the hand waving.
> > Where are the dogs?
> >
> > (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
> >
> There were Traveller novels, weren't there? Do Vargyr still count as
> dogs?

IIRC, they consider the comparison to be a killing offense.

--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>

[mws...@uwclub.net]

On Monday, 18 March 2013 23:01:37 UTC, lal_truckee wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>
> equally silly thing.)
>
>

And in Bob Shaw's _Night Walk_ the blind hero has a guide dog - called Seymour of course.


--
Mike Stone - Peterborough England

The Lord gave us two ears but only one mouth. Perhaps we should take the hint.

[Stephen Allcroft]

On 19 Mar, 20:20, v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay")
wrote:
>         - hi; in article,
>      <3534ba86-7e65-4b8f-9924-dc796a2b9...@w3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>      stephenallcr...@lycos.co.uk "Stephen Allcroft" raised an eyebrow:

>
>
>
> >I'm also surprised nobody has mentioned Naomi Mitchison's
> >Diary of a Spacewoman.
>
>         - perhaps they preferred her Memoirs?         (- [1])
>
>         - love, ppint.
>         [drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
> --
>          [1] -   "I like rhetorical questions;
>                    I usually get them right."
>                     - joann l.dominik, 6/95

Of course you are right, I blame an influenza like virus and the
medication I am taking for it.

[Stephen Allcroft]

On 20 Mar, 05:23, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
<snip>

> > There were Traveller novels, weren't there? Do Vargyr still count as
> > dogs?
>
> IIRC, they consider the comparison to be a killing offense.
>

> - Show quoted text -

although only written in the sense of Spaceballs: the script or
Spaceballs: the novelisation, there is Mawg in spaceballs:the Movie;
also the lighting crew at pinewood during the filming of Star Wars
referred to Chewbacca as the dog, then there is Family Guy Blue
Harvest, all slightly OT.

[Stephen Allcroft]

On 19 Mar, 16:53, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 3/19/13 3:28 AM, Stephen Allcroft wrote:
>
> > The Use of Weapons by Iain M Banks probably counts as SF by most
> > people's standards and Dziet Sma's pregnant pet Gainly is clearly a
> > creature at least as canoid as the culture humans are hmanoid...
>
> don't recall the Banks "canoid" - I'll have a rescan.
> thanks
>
> everybody in the culture seems to be at the level of "dog or cat" to a
> vaster level "person."

Pretty much everybody other than a ship or orbital Mind, still its
world of mainly empty hedonism with a little moral missionary work
round the edges could be seen as the ultimate outcome of Asimovian
machine governance to enhance human goods.

[Howard Brazee]

On 20 Mar 2013 03:01:05 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan

<tednolan>) wrote:

>In article <257ik8p53n5a7ajr6...@4ax.com>,
>Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>>There's an early SF novel with people on some way, way, future lost
>>planet with huge bugs - and dogs that loved them.
>>
>
>Sound's like Leinster's _The Forgotten Planet_ except I don't remember
>any dogs.

I think that's it.

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

"Robert A. Woodward" <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-E1CA5E...@news.individual.net:

That only supports the idea, you know. If it weren't a valid
comparison, it wouldn't piss them off.

[Mike]

On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>
> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?
>
> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

In Laumer's Earthblood, Roan meets and earns the respect of
evolved dogs that serve the decadent humans living on a
blockaded Earth.

--
Regards,

Mike

[lal_truckee]

On 3/20/13 8:55 AM, Mike wrote:
> In Laumer's Earthblood, Roan meets and earns the respect of
> evolved dogs that serve the decadent humans living on a
> blockaded Earth.

Iron Robert, of royal ferrous stock, and his battle with the Chinazell
sticks with me so strongly all else has withered in memory. I've
completely forgotten the rest of the story after the battle. I'll have
to re-read with my dog hat on.

[Mark Zenier]

In article <ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me>,

lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What Science Fiction features dogs?
>(Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>equally silly thing.)
>
>There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
>mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
>his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
>I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
>diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
>lost during the hand waving.
>Where are the dogs?
>
>(I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

"LaToya is Wounded" by Dafydd ab Hugh.

Enhanced German Shepard saving his partner when she got wounded on
a scouting mission. Both are Marines!.


Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

[erilar]

In article <5148ff9a$0$52732$742e...@news.sonic.net>,

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:

> On 3/19/2013 7:14 AM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> > On 3/18/13 7:01 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
> >> What Science Fiction features dogs?
> >> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> >> equally silly thing.)
> >>
> >
> > I can't remember the title, but there was a story in which dogs had
> > become uplifted and were assistants to human beings who had become much
> > closer to gods, and it was told from the dog's point of view.
> >
> > (Probably there's been more than one such story. I remember
> > another, or perhaps another part of the same one, in which the human
> > beings were gone and the dogs trying to cope)
> >
> > Dean Koontz's _Watchers_ had superintelligent Labrador retrievers.
> >
> > Doctor Who has K-9, a robotic dog who has some of the best lines in
> > the show.
> >
> Probably because there were times when K-9 was the smartest being in the
> show. :D

I was always a great K-9 fan. Not long ago there was a marathon of a
half-hour K-9 show I had never known existed, so I recorded it and watch
a segment now and again.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Butch Malahide]

On Mar 20, 10:55 am, Mike <rmslep...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> In Laumer's Earthblood, Roan meets and earns the respect of
> evolved dogs that serve the decadent humans living on a
> blockaded Earth.

Thanks for reminding me of _Earthblood_. Good story, about time to
read it again. By the way, it's actually by Keith Laumer and Rosel
George Brown.

[Butch Malahide]

On Mar 18, 6:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?

Ray Bradbury's invasion-from-Venus story "Subterfuge" involves dogs,
sort of. Not sure if it counts.

[Mike]

I had forgotten that Laumer wasn't only author. I looked at a bunch
of old covers via Google and it seems they get equal billing on only
about
half.

I haven't read any of Ms Brown's solo works. Do you know whether
they're worth searching out?

--
Regards,

Mike

[Butch Malahide]

I'm sorry to say I can't recall reading them either.

[Mike]

On Mar 18, 7:01 pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?

> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
> equally silly thing.)
>

> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>
> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
> lost during the hand waving.
> Where are the dogs?
>
> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)

I remember one from, maybe, the late 60s, but the title and
author escape me. In truth, the plot details are also a bit
vague. I'm pretty sure it was a paperback when I read it
so the original may be older.

An enhanced dog (german shepherd dog), is a space explorer
and visits a planet in human body (may be a waldo type thing).
The planet has people and dogs or people-like and dog-like
inhabitants. The dogs remind the explorer dog of Afghan
Hounds. It may be that the dog inhabitants are superior to
the people inhabitants (I said the plot details were vague).

One of the people inhabitants starts falling for the dog-explorer,
not realizing that his human body isn't his real form. I think
the dog-explorer is attracted to one of the dog inhabitants
even though the dog explorer has a 'wife' and pups back
on earth.

The story is told in first-dog (first person), I think. Does this
description bring any books to mind?

--
Regards.

Mike

[Tim McDaniel]

In article <ki8693$lgk$1...@dont-email.me>,

lal_truckee <lal_t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What Science Fiction features dogs?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41530
Title: The Coon Rolled Down and Ruptured His Larinks, A Squeezed Novel
by Mr. Skunk
Author: Dafydd ab Hugh
Year: 1990
Type: SHORTFICTION
Storylen: novelette

--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com

[David Duffy]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, lal_truckee wrote:

> What Science Fiction features dogs?

I'll convert this into a YASID:

An alien with mind control powers has taken over the Earth, and rules from
his lunar base. His only enemy is a space cadet and his dog, the latter
another telepathic alien (detective a la _Needle_?) in disguise, who has
trained our hero to resist the alien's powers, _just_ long enough to
defeat him.

Cheers, David Duffy.

PS not quite StF, Diana Wynne Jones, _Dogsbody_

[Taki Kogoma]

Do the Rat Things from _Snow Crash_ qualify?

--
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com
Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:17:26 -0700 (PDT), Butch Malahide
<fred....@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:2be7e928-8c6a-44dc...@f5g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

> On Mar 20, 1:35�pm, Mike <rmslep...@comcast.net> wrote:

>> On Mar 20, 2:12�pm, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>>> Thanks for reminding me of _Earthblood_. Good story,
>>> about time to read it again. By the way, it's actually
>>> by Keith Laumer and Rosel George Brown.

>> I had forgotten that Laumer wasn't only author. �I looked
>> at a bunch of old covers via Google and it seems they
>> get equal billing on only about half.

>> I haven't read any of Ms Brown's solo works. �Do you know
>> whether they're worth searching out?

> I'm sorry to say I can't recall reading them either.

I read _Galactic Sibyl Sue Blue_, but I have to admit that
even after reading the review at

<http://performativeutterance.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/sibyl-sue-blue/>,

I just don't remember it. It would be a quick read, though.

Brian

[Kip Williams]

Tim McDaniel wrote, On 3/20/13 5:15 PM:

> http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?41530
> Title: The Coon Rolled Down and Ruptured His Larinks, A Squeezed Novel
> by Mr. Skunk

For those who didn't carry a copy of _The Guinness Book of World
Records_ around during their formative years, the title is based on the
English translation of the world's hardest tongue twister, or at least
it was the hardest when I was in junior high. I don't recall the
language, but they say there were a lot of clicks in it.


Kip W
rasfw

[Howard Brazee]

I liked it a lot when it came out. But I no longer care for the
humans are so superior to everybody else trope.

[Titus G]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, lal_truckee wrote:
> What Science Fiction features dogs?

_Vurt_ Jeff Noon. It was a long time ago but the dogs were vaguely humanoid
or something?

[Butch Malahide]

On Mar 20, 8:45 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:12:51 -0700 (PDT), Butch Malahide
>

> <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 20, 10:55 am, Mike <rmslep...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> In Laumer's Earthblood, Roan meets and earns the respect of
> >> evolved dogs that serve the decadent humans living on a
> >> blockaded Earth.
>
> >Thanks for reminding me of _Earthblood_. Good story, about time to
> >read it again. By the way, it's actually by Keith Laumer and Rosel
> >George Brown.
>
> I liked it a lot when it came out.   But I no longer care for the
> humans are so superior to everybody else trope.

Am I mixing it up with another story? Is _Earthblood_ the one about
the kid who works his way across the galaxy to Earth, where he meets
other humans for the first time, and is not impressed by them, and
decides that he prefers the company of his alien friends?

[David DeLaney]

David Duffy <davidD@tinonee> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, lal_truckee wrote:
>> What Science Fiction features dogs?
>
>I'll convert this into a YASID:
>
>An alien with mind control powers has taken over the Earth, and rules from
>his lunar base. His only enemy is a space cadet and his dog, the latter
>another telepathic alien (detective a la _Needle_?) in disguise, who has
>trained our hero to resist the alien's powers, _just_ long enough to
>defeat him.

I'll convert the Subject: header so it gets teased out of the long thread.

Dave, this is ringing faint bells, but nothing useful
--
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[Anthony Nance]

Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
> On 2013-03-19 00:38:11 +0000, Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> said:
>
>> On Mar 19, 11:22am, Will in New Haven
>> <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:

>>> On Mar 18, 7:01pm, lal_truckee <lal_truc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What Science Fiction features dogs?

>>>> (Leave out Fantasy, where the dogs are likely to be werewolfs or some
>>>> equally silly thing.)
>>>
>>>> There's Johann Braun's Thor in Heinlein's Tunnel in the Sky, plus dog
>>>> mention re the emigration gates. Heinlein also gives Lazarus dogs for
>>>> his wilderness emigration; he appears to think dogs are vital for emigrants.
>>>
>>>> I don't remember much about dogs joining man in most SF expansion
>>>> diasporas or the galactic civilizations that follow. Dogs seem to get
>>>> lost during the hand waving.
>>>> Where are the dogs?
>>>
>>>> (I haven't forgotten that Simak features dogs.)
>>>

>>> Well, some people think Pern is an SF setting and McAffery mentions
>>> "the canines" at times.
>>> Lots of dogs in post-apocolyptic fiction (fiction about people who
>>> can't spell?) which generally reads more like fantasy to me.
>>
>> Like "A Boy and His Dog"? Definitely more fantasy than science
>> fiction.
>
> Not definitely, no. Except when using the "it's not science fiction
> unless it's _hard_ science fiction" ruler, which eliminates most of
> what the genre was named to describe.
>
> It's set in the future, it's got psi-stuff that's meant as science, not
> magic, it's got radiation-created mutations -- what's not science
> fiction about it? Is DAMNATION ALLEY fantasy now, too?
>
> Anyway, someone's going to mention the graphic novel WE3, so I'll list that.
>
> There's a "space hound" in SIRENS OF TITAN, if "infundibulation"
> doesn't render it fantasy for not being realistic enough in its science.
>
> There's Lockjaw of the Inhumans in FANTASTIC FOUR, which is science
> fiction in that it invokes aliens and genetics to perform its fantastic
> stuff. Plus, Lockjaw's great, so he counts.
>
> Frank the Pug from the MEN IN BLACK movies is technically not a dog,
> but screw it, he's a dog.
>
> Kojak, from THE STAND. Which I suppose is fantasy/horror, but Kojak
> doesn't know that.


Wondering if Cujo fits...

[Brian M. Scott]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT), Butch Malahide
<fred....@gmail.com> wrote in
<news:81ecff87-c716-4857...@v8g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
in rec.arts.sf.written:

Yes.

Brian

[Howard Brazee]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT), Butch Malahide
<fred....@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >Thanks for reminding me of _Earthblood_. Good story, about time to
>> >read it again. By the way, it's actually by Keith Laumer and Rosel
>> >George Brown.
>>
>> I liked it a lot when it came out. � But I no longer care for the
>> humans are so superior to everybody else trope.
>
>Am I mixing it up with another story? Is _Earthblood_ the one about
>the kid who works his way across the galaxy to Earth, where he meets
>other humans for the first time, and is not impressed by them, and
>decides that he prefers the company of his alien friends?

I thought it was a post-Earth dominated galaxy, where this kid had
genuine earth-blood and was thus able to dominate in what USAmericans
saw as the obvious human future way back then.

[Kurt Busiek]

Haven't read CUJO in a while, but from what I remember of it, I'd say
it's horror but I don't remember and SF or fantasy elements. Unless I'm
forgetting something (and I could be) it's non-supernatural horror.

kdb
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[Anthony Nance]

I haven't read it for a while either, and I suspect you're right.
I'm probably over-playing the parts that are from Cujo's point
of view.

Tony

[erilar]

In article
<06212ec3-c50a-48b1...@p5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,

No, but it sounds interesting 8-)

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

[Don Bruder]

In article <kifeea$2j0$2...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>

Because there weren't any worth bothering to speak of.
Cujo is "SF" (under whatever expansion you like that fits this
newsgroup) in exactly the same way I'm the pope.

> Unless I'm forgetting something (and I could be) it's
> non-supernatural horror.

Ehhh... Back when it was the "latest and greatest King novel", and a
cell phone was a chunk of electronics the size of a suitcase that cost
as much as (or more than...) a car, and only worked in some parts of a
few of the largest cities because that's the only place there was
infrastructure to support 'em, it might have qualified as horror.

Absolutely nothing that I can recall of it was anything that couldn't
have actually happened anytime since the invention of the automobile.

Today, I'd call it, at best, two column-inches in the local fishwrap.
With the close-enough-to-universal presence of cell phones, the entire
story would have been over and done with half an hour after it began,
and would have ended with one dead dog, shot from whatever distance
seemed most convenient to the responding officer. No muss, no fuss, no
bother.

--
If the door is baroque don't be Haydn. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel.

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:39:05 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>
wrote:

IIRC, the tonguetwister was Czech. It has no vowels in it.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[J. Clarke]

In article <kiggb7$e4a$2...@dont-email.me>, D...@sonic.net says...

He places it in Maine, which still has major gaps in cell coverage.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:31:38 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
<ge...@telus.net> wrote in
<news:2knnk8dn1k9dr9f5l...@4ax.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:39:05 -0400, Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

[...]

>> For those who didn't carry a copy of _The Guinness Book
>> of World Records_ around during their formative years,
>> the title is based on the English translation of the
>> world's hardest tongue twister, or at least it was the
>> hardest when I was in junior high. I don't recall the
>> language, but they say there were a lot of clicks in it.

> IIRC, the tonguetwister was Czech. It has no vowels in
> it.

But it does have syllabic resonants, which make fine
syllabic nuclei. So does spoken English: 'lock and key' is
often pronounced [ˌlɒk ŋ ˈkiː], with 'and' reduced to
syllabic velar nasal, and many Americans have two syllabic
resonants in 'curtain' [ˈkɹ̩tn̩].

Brian

[Butch Malahide]

There is a famous Czech sentence with no vowels (unless you count r as
a vowel), but it translates to something like "put your finger through
your throat." I don't believe Czech has clicks either.

[lal_truckee]

On 3/21/13 10:51 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> He places it in Maine, which still has major gaps in cell coverage.

Some city folk think cell coverage is ubiquitous. Maybe it's an east
coast thing?