"stopping time" books and stories?
Robert Williams
I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
stopped.
Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
this feature? Thanks
skip
rlwil...@gallua.bitnet
Christopher Daub
: Hi,
YEARS ago, when I was a mere child, I remember reading something
in Analog magazine about a group of people in a spaceship who could slow time
down to a crawl... the story was excellent, and continued over several
issues, but unfortunately I have no recollection of title, or specifics of
the story.
: skip
: rlwil...@gallua.bitnet
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Ethan A Merritt
>Hi,
> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
>this feature? Thanks
Jo Clayton's "Diadem" series has that as a recurring save-the-day tactic.
Larry Niven wrote a number of short stories exploring the effect, calling
it a "stasis field". They also appear in the known space novels.
Vernor Vinge has the very similar "bobbles" in _The Peace War_,
_Marooned in Realtime_, and related short stories. Of course, both the
statis field and the bobble are stopping time on the _inside_, not the
_outside_, which may not be what you want.
Let's see,.... there was a short story "Hell-bound Train", years back.
Brownie points to anyone who can remember the author.
just rambling,
Ethan A Merritt
mer...@u.washington.edu
David Moews
Christopher Daub <cd...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
:Robert Williams (rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu) wrote:
:: Hi,
:: I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
:
: YEARS ago, when I was a mere child, I remember reading something
:in Analog magazine about a group of people in a spaceship who could slow time
:down to a crawl... the story was excellent, and continued over several
:issues, but unfortunately I have no recollection of title, or specifics of
:the story.
Charles Sheffield's novel BETWEEN THE STROKES OF NIGHT featured people
in a spaceship with slowed perceptions of time (i.e., a long objectively
measured time seemed short to them.) This was serialized in Analog in
the early 1980's, so it may be what you're thinking of.
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Damien Neil
Ethan A Merritt <mer...@provolone.bchem.washington.edu> wrote:
>Let's see,.... there was a short story "Hell-bound Train", years back.
>Brownie points to anyone who can remember the author.
Err... Harlan Ellison, and it won a Hugo, right? Damn good story, as I
recall.
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Christopher Daub
[ka-chunk]
: Let's see,.... there was a short story "Hell-bound Train", years back.
: Brownie points to anyone who can remember the author.
I think I remember that story... something about a guy sells his
soul for a watch that, if he stops it at any time, that moment in time will
continue forever, i.e. he will continue living out this "perfect" time...
neat ending, anyways.
Author... hmm. I'll guess Harlan Ellison, but that doesn't seem
right.
: just rambling,
: Ethan A Merritt
: mer...@u.washington.edu
Me too,
Magnus Olsson
>Ethan A Merritt (mer...@provolone.bchem.washington.edu) wrote:
>: Let's see,.... there was a short story "Hell-bound Train", years back.
>: Brownie points to anyone who can remember the author.
>: just rambling,
>: Ethan A Merritt
>: mer...@u.washington.edu
Robert Bloch.
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Try Babel-17 (I forget the author) about the language who
makes people think 'faster'.
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Arthur Hlavaty
Harvey Hou
David Brin has a good short story on the subject in the
book _The River of Time_.
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Some short story I read once (author Harry? Henry? Kuttner?? sorry, it's
been a long time) had a strange race of cat-people in South America, who
could move so fast the rest of the world looked frozen in time. They
paid for this with short lifespans, of course. I don't seem to remember
the author considering the effect this would have on natural selection
and evolution--one of the best examples of THAT is Theodore Sturgeon's
_Microcosmic God_.
Richard Wang
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Jessica Litman
> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
>the ability to stop time.
A charming, funny, and almostly certainly out of print book published
by DAW in the early 1970s, named "Where Were You Last Pluterday?" concerned
not the ability to stop time, but, instead, the possibility of adding some
extra time. I believe the author's name was something like Nicholas Van
Herck, but I've probably got his name wrong.
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Wayne State University
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Champignon Ecrasee
Stealers_ by the same person who wrote _The Never-Ending Story_.
(Michael ..., sorry, can't remember.)
Momo had the ability to stop time.
It was a nice book,
Julie
Suraklin
Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
Daniel Keys Moran mentions characters in _Emerald Eyes_ who can accelerate
fast enough to shift the infrared from their bodies up past UV for normal
people. This book is from _The Tales of the Continuing Time_ series
which I am waiting to hear more about in this newsgroup.
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Rebecca Leann Smit Crowley
: Daniel Keys Moran mentions characters in _Emerald Eyes_ who can accelerate
: fast enough to shift the infrared from their bodies up past UV for normal
: people. This book is from _The Tales of the Continuing Time_ series
: which I am waiting to hear more about in this newsgroup.
A mailing list exists for the discussion of this series -- yes, other
people are reading it. Other people, like Mr. Walls o' Books and me,
have been snookered by the BiP claim that the rest of the series
is available new (it isn't). Other people have similarly tried
in vain to find copies of the Ring (and been told by the
few who have found it that, really, it wasn't all that great).
I quite like AB, EE, TLR and TLD, and I'm inclined to think Moran's
getting more sophisticated a writer as he goes along and, thank
whoever, he's not losing that chutzpah that made me love him from
the beginning. I'm not as enamored of the series as some
of my friends (one of whom wants to _be_ Trent, and the other
of whom seems to have taken Denice as a role model, vegetarianism,
martial arts, leather jacket and all. To be fair, she was into the
first two before encountering the books.), but I did enjoy them
and look forward to the next one (Man-Thing War?).
Try mailing to continuing-...@umich.edu. I believe
that is the correct address. It's a little slow at the moment;
I'm sure, however, you'll have plenty of fascinating things to
say.
Alternatively, you could post substantive discussion or speculation
about aspects of the novels, and we'd all be quite happy to respond.
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yet. It's in ANGRY CANDY and was a NEW TWILIGHT ZONE episode, too.
There was also an OUTER LIMITS episode about stopping time, but I don't
rememtber who wrote it or if it was ever turned into (or was originally
based on) a short story.
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E.A. (Ed) Graham Jr.
: Ethan A Merritt (mer...@provolone.bchem.washington.edu) wrote:
: [ka-chunk]
: : Let's see,.... there was a short story "Hell-bound Train", years back.
: : Brownie points to anyone who can remember the author.
: I think I remember that story... something about a guy sells his
: soul for a watch that, if he stops it at any time, that moment in time will
: continue forever, i.e. he will continue living out this "perfect" time...
: neat ending, anyways.
: Author... hmm. I'll guess Harlan Ellison, but that doesn't seem
: right.
[Another ka-chunk]
Ellison also wrote "Hour of the Last Paladin" that was seen on the newer
TWILIGHT ZONE show. Don't know if it appeared in print first, but I would
almost bet on it. Helluva story and one of the finer moments in TV history
-- starred Danny Kaye. It was a real tear-jerker 8-<
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Rebecca Drayer
>
>A mailing list exists for the discussion of this series -- yes, other
>people are reading it. Other people, like Mr. Walls o' Books and me,
>have been snookered by the BiP claim that the rest of the series
>is available new (it isn't). Other people have similarly tried
>in vain to find copies of the Ring (and been told by the
>few who have found it that, really, it wasn't all that great).
I must disagree. I found a copy of The Ring in the library and read it
over Christmas break. After the first few pages, which were a little
slow, I couldn't put it down. Admittedly, the first part was better than
the second, some of the science was off, and there were a few plot holes.
But otherwise it was great.
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Josh Kaderlan
Leann Smit Crowley") says:
>
>A mailing list exists for the discussion of this series -- yes, other
>people are reading it. Other people, like Mr. Walls o' Books and me,
>have been snookered by the BiP claim that the rest of the series
>is available new (it isn't). Other people have similarly tried
>in vain to find copies of the Ring (and been told by the
>few who have found it that, really, it wasn't all that great).
>
DKM made just such a statement about *The Ring*. However, I do have a copy,
and I intend to test his assertion right after spring break. I'll let y'all
know how it turns out. The best place to look for the books is either a good
used book store or Dark Carnival in Berkeley. They seem to have a large supply
of hard-to-find DKM. (Or is that redundant? :)
>first two before encountering the books.), but I did enjoy them
>and look forward to the next one (Man-Thing War?).
>
Close. *The Man-Spacething War*, hopefully to be out in the fall.
>Try mailing to continuing-...@umich.edu. I believe
>that is the correct address. It's a little slow at the moment;
>I'm sure, however, you'll have plenty of fascinating things to
>say.
>
That is, indeed, the correct address. We'd be glad to have you; things are, as
Ms. Crowley states, "a little slow at the moment."
Josh
David DeLaney
>Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>>Hi,
>> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
>>the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
>>remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
>>Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
>>time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
>>stopped.
>> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
>>this feature? Thanks
>
>
>Daniel Keys Moran mentions characters in _Emerald Eyes_ who can accelerate
>fast enough to shift the infrared from their bodies up past UV for normal
>people. This book is from _The Tales of the Continuing Time_ series
>which I am waiting to hear more about in this newsgroup.
You're not hearing much because people can't *find* half of it; five books
are out (out of 33 planned), two of those are difficult to find, one is
impossible to find, and *one* Bantam cordially invites you to write them
for info rather than giving it out in Books in Print...
Dave "get them, read them; they *resonate*" DeLaney
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Champignon Ecrasee <97...@williams.edu> wrote:
>I believe I read a book about 8 years ago called _Momo and the Time
>Stealers_ by the same person who wrote _The Never-Ending Story_.
>(Michael ..., sorry, can't remember.)
Michael Ende. Good book (aimed at kids/"young adults", but not condescending
like too many others; readable by anyone). I still prefer _The Never-Ending
Story_, though (and do *not* confuse this with the film version(s), which come
nowhere within a parsec of doing it justice.)
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Jack Vance's Dying Earth series magicians have this ability, and use it
for petty one-upmanship games... the books are The Dying Earth, The Eyes of
the Overworld, (A Quest For Simbilis,) Cugel's Saga, and Rhialto the Marvellous.
Dave "walls of books, not all by the same author" DeLaney
David DeLaney
>I believe I read a book about 8 years ago called _Momo and the Time
>Stealers_ by the same person who wrote _The Never-Ending Story_.
>(Michael ..., sorry, can't remember.)
Michael Ende.
>Momo had the ability to stop time.
>It was a nice book,
>Julie
Dave "it was indeed, especially the Father Time figure" DeLaney
cfb103
A guy summons a demon who gives him one wish. The guy stops time for twelve
hours I think. However, that is _not_ how he defeats the demon.
Just recently, a book came out about this by the guy who wrote "Vox". The
review was in the New York Times about a week ago or so.Basically, he just
uses it to seduce women, though....
-Josh Munn
Josh Kaderlan
(David DeLaney) says:
>
>dark...@ecst.csuchico.edu (Suraklin) writes:
>>
>>Daniel Keys Moran mentions characters in _Emerald Eyes_ who can accelerate
>>fast enough to shift the infrared from their bodies up past UV for normal
>>people. This book is from _The Tales of the Continuing Time_ series
>>which I am waiting to hear more about in this newsgroup.
>
>You're not hearing much because people can't *find* half of it; five books
>are out (out of 33 planned), two of those are difficult to find, one is
>impossible to find, and *one* Bantam cordially invites you to write them
>for info rather than giving it out in Books in Print...
Which book is which? And which is impossible to find?
P.S. They *do* resonate.
David Empey
James Blaylocks _The Elfin Ship_ and _The Disappearing Dwarf_ have
stopping time. Keith Laumer wrote a Retief story whose name I
dont remember with this gimmick. Of course, there's Well's "The New
Accelerator". Edmond Hamilton wrote a story with the reverse
gimmick; slowing oneself down. The characters had conversations with
trees, and fights with plants. I think that story is in _The Best of
Edmond Hamilton_.
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callled, I believe, "The Waitabits", I can't remember the author. An
expedition from earth goes to this planet, with an earthlike atmosphere,
everything earthlike, except the planet rotates only once every year or
something. As a result, life on this planet has a very slow metabolism,
for example they move about 1/100 as fast as humans, with interesting
effects on inter-species communication.
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: I just remembered another story with different time ideas,
: callled, I believe, "The Waitabits", I can't remember the author. An
: expedition from earth goes to this planet, with an earthlike atmosphere,
: everything earthlike, except the planet rotates only once every year or
: something. As a result, life on this planet has a very slow metabolism,
: for example they move about 1/100 as fast as humans, with interesting
: effects on inter-species communication.
Bob
David DeLaney
The Last Dancer is just out and still on shelves. The Armageddon Blues and,
Emerald Eyes are difficult to find, The Long Run (I *think*) is practically
impossible, and The Ring (again, I *think*; check Books in Print) has Bantam
being cheerfully obfuscatory...
>P.S. They *do* resonate.
Dave "vweevweevweevwee" DeLaney
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>Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>>the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
>>remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
>>Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
>>time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
>>stopped.
>> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
>>this feature? Thanks
>
>Some short story I read once (author Harry? Henry? Kuttner?? sorry, it's
>been a long time) had a strange race of cat-people in South America, who
>could move so fast the rest of the world looked frozen in time. They
>paid for this with short lifespans, of course. I don't seem to remember
>the author considering the effect this would have on natural selection
>and evolution--one of the best examples of THAT is Theodore Sturgeon's
>_Microcosmic God_.
Valley of the Flame, by Henry Kuttner. It was expanded into novel form; good
pulp stuff. Kuttner wrote other classics, among which were Mutant and several
short-story collections...
Dave "walls of books" DeLaney
Taryn Hearn
>rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Robert Williams) writes:
>> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
>>the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
>>remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
>>Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
>>time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
>>stopped.
>> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
>>this feature? Thanks
>
characters don't actually stop time, but they do have the ability to
perceive it to be slower. It's a very interesting novel.
Taryn
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Ken Cox
Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>the ability to stop time.
Others have mentioned "The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything" and
Spider Robinson's use of the idea in "Kill the Editor" (part of the
novel "Lady Slings the Booze").
A similar notion was used in an episode of "Friday the 13th -- The
Series". A pocketwatch allowed the holder to stop time for one hour
each night at 1:00. This was magic, not technology.
Orson Scott Card's _Treason_ (formerly _A Planet Called Treason_) has
a group of people who can adjust their time flow either up or down.
They didn't actually stop time, but they could speed themselves up
until everything else seemed stopped.
Two for which I can't remember title or author, but maybe someone's
memory will be jogged -- I'll try to include as much as I remember:
A fairly old short story (40's or 50's, maybe) about a device that
could speed up metabolism so the person could live much faster. One
of the inventors used it to kill a woman by handcuffing her to a
fixture and accelerating her -- she starved quickly. A friend/lover
of the woman then accelerated the murderer, but he could move around.
Moving was difficult because of the perceived viscosity of the air.
His clothes fell apart from friction. Everything was silent, except
one time when he heard a low rumble and found it was the shrill sound
of a braking subway train. He was not normally seen, except a few
times while he slept (eight hours of relative stillness translating
into half a second or so of visibility). He died after many years of
his time, one day of normal time.
A more recent story about an unexplained phenomena that either slowed
people down or sped them up. This could happen multiple times to one
person, so there was a huge hierarchy of different speeds. Somehow,
to all involved, everything still still seemed normal -- there were
just a bunch of people moving much slower than you, and others who
were moving much faster. The first signs were when some people seemed
to be paralyzed, but after being put in a hospital bed they were later
found standing. Someone realized that this was a time-change, and
that the opposite change could explain some recent disappearances and
strange events. Near the end the story focused on a family with three
children. One child accelerated, then a week later the parents and one
of the other children accelerated. The parents thus had one child
grown up with children of his own, another that they were watching
grow up, and a third that would remain a child forever (from their
viewpoint).
Ken Cox
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Brenda Holloway
wrote:
> A more recent story about an unexplained phenomena that either slowed
> people down or sped them up. This could happen multiple times to one
> person, so there was a huge hierarchy of different speeds. Somehow,
> to all involved, everything still still seemed normal -- there were
> just a bunch of people moving much slower than you, and others who
> were moving much faster. The first signs were when some people seemed
> to be paralyzed, but after being put in a hospital bed they were later
> found standing. Someone realized that this was a time-change, and
> that the opposite change could explain some recent disappearances and
> strange events. Near the end the story focused on a family with three
> children. One child accelerated, then a week later the parents and one
> of the other children accelerated. The parents thus had one child
> grown up with children of his own, another that they were watching
> grow up, and a third that would remain a child forever (from their
> viewpoint).
This, I think, is David Brin's "River of Time", from the collection by the
same name.
Brenda
Christopher Daub
Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" series has multiple themes with
slowed/stopped/backwards time, including a creature with accelerated
time-sense, a person who starts living backwards in time, and several
others. Excellent couple of books.
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by Keith Laumer has some drug (called Time Stop I think) that makes him
vastly speed up. He escapes from the alien planet (some lobsterish
race, not Groaci) leaving a trail of havoc.
There is an Eric Frank Russell story in Six Worlds Yonder where an
exploration team discovers two alien races. One which moves much
slower than "normal" and one which moves much faster. The slow race
was christened wait-a-bits, I don't remember what the other was called.
Then there is the just published (reviewed in Newsweek) book by the
guy who wrote Vox (the phone sex book) about a man who could stop
time, and wanders around fulfilling his sexual fantasies.
David DeLaney
of stories, including The Long Arm Of Gil Hamilton and all the stories
dealing with stasis fields?
Dave "will read the new Ringworld novel for no food" DeLaney
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>TROLLOC TRIBES : 2.1
>....................
><TEotW: Glossary, 798, entry "Trollocs", 668>
>Ahf'frait=Afrits, Bhan'sheen=Banshees, Dha'vol=Devils, Dhai'mon=Demons,
>Dhjin'nen=Djinns, Ghar'ghael=Gargoyles, Ghob'hlin=Goblins, Gho'hlem=Golems,
>Ghraem'lan=Gremlins, Ko'bal=Kobolds, Kno-gmon=Gnomes Al'ghol=Ghouls.
... yes, and *where* is the 13th tribe, please? *Twelve* just doesn't
make it as a magic number in Randland...
>RANDOM NAMES : 2.4
>....................
>Myrddraal = ?Murder All?
"Mere Thrall" - ironic DO joke?
>If anybody wants to do a SHORT synopsis of why * == Jain Farstrider/Gaidal
>Cain, send it to me, and I will append it to the appropriate section.
Tam == Jain: Tam disappeared from Two Rivers for many years, at a period
covering Jain's travels/adventures/Glossary mentions. By considering *all* of
what we know of the movements of either, we can get a pretty fully realized
account of what T/J's movements must have been, *if* they are in fact the
same, who he interacted with, and what he'd done. [complex timeline involving
army service, a book plus revisions, lots of traveling, and not one but *two*
True Loves deleted for the sanity of the other Jordan posters] And seeing as
how we have to explain what Tam was doing with a heronmark blade *anyway*,
and how come some people seem almost to know him, and (point I didn't bring up
before) why *nobody* now has mentioned Tam as famous enough to wield a
heronmark blade before; as well as sometime explaining just what *did* happen
to Jain "McGuffin" Farstrider (whose literary presence in the series so far
has been undeniably ubiquitous)... The explanation rings my pattern-sense,
and fits with Jordan's "hide the stuff in plain sight" motif. Others of
course pooh-pooh this idea...
>1.34....................................................COUNTRIES OF RAND-LAND
One more thing needed here: the symbols are described - but not the crowns.
Andor has a Rose Crown; don't recall what the others are. Lan's been haloed
by the Malkier Crown a few times...
> 1.35.................................................IS VERIN BLACK????
Robert Jordan denies it, no? He *did* say she was special, though...
and no mention of the Verin==Corianin SillySpeculation (furor tm dbd, with
inspiration from mi...@netlink.nix.com), I see...
Also no mention of Oath Rod/Nine Rods speculation, again fueled by yrs.
truly. I understand about FAQbloat though (see my .sig...).
Dave "walls of books" DeLaney
Ross Smith
>In article <1994Feb21...@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
>Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
>>the ability to stop time.
>
>Others have mentioned "The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything" and
>Spider Robinson's use of the idea in "Kill the Editor" (part of the
>novel "Lady Slings the Booze").
>
>A similar notion was used in an episode of "Friday the 13th -- The
>Series". A pocketwatch allowed the holder to stop time for one hour
>each night at 1:00. This was magic, not technology.
>
>Orson Scott Card's _Treason_ (formerly _A Planet Called Treason_) has
>a group of people who can adjust their time flow either up or down.
>They didn't actually stop time, but they could speed themselves up
>until everything else seemed stopped.
>
>could speed up metabolism so the person could live much faster. One
>of the inventors used it to kill a woman by handcuffing her to a
>fixture and accelerating her -- she starved quickly. A friend/lover
>of the woman then accelerated the murderer, but he could move around.
>Moving was difficult because of the perceived viscosity of the air.
>His clothes fell apart from friction. Everything was silent, except
>one time when he heard a low rumble and found it was the shrill sound
>of a braking subway train. He was not normally seen, except a few
>times while he slept (eight hours of relative stillness translating
>into half a second or so of visibility). He died after many years of
>his time, one day of normal time.
I don't recognise this one, but a similar murder gimmick was used by
Larry Niven in "ARM" (in his collection _The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton_).
>A more recent story about an unexplained phenomena that either slowed
>people down or sped them up. This could happen multiple times to one
>person, so there was a huge hierarchy of different speeds.
> [ ... ]
"The River of Time", by David Brin, in his collection of the same name.
Some others:
"The New Accelerator", by H G Wells. Scientist invents a drug that can
speed up people's personal time; he and a friend use it mainly for
practical jokes. (It's been a long time since I read this; can't
remember many details.) I've always said that H G Wells and Olaf
Stapledon between them invented at least 95% of the good ideas in SF.
"All the Time in the World", by Arthur C Clarke. I think this is
generally acknowledged to be the definitive treatment of the subject.
Criminal is contacted by mysterious woman who has a bracelet that
can stop time; she pays him to use it to steal art treasures. I won't
spoil it for the few (?) who haven't read it by going any further.
"Alien Earth", by Edmond Hamilton (in _The Best of Edmond Hamilton_).
This is actually the reverse effect: a South American tribe has found
a drug that slows down people's time perception enormously. The plot
is a standard pulp-SF one of Mad Scientists using it for Nefarious
Purposes, but the descriptions of the high-speed world are very
effective (e.g. plants fighting like animals). Worth a look.
"Convergent Series", by Larry Niven (in his collection of the same
name; it's in _N-Space_ too). Anthropology student playing with
rituals, accidentally conjures up a real demon, who offers to grant
a wish in exchange for his soul; student asks for time to be stopped
around him. (Again, I won't spoil it by going further.)
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Don Harlow
>In no particular order:
>
>>TROLLOC TRIBES : 2.1
>>....................
>
>><TEotW: Glossary, 798, entry "Trollocs", 668>
>>Ahf'frait=Afrits, Bhan'sheen=Banshees, Dha'vol=Devils, Dhai'mon=Demons,
>>Dhjin'nen=Djinns, Ghar'ghael=Gargoyles, Ghob'hlin=Goblins, Gho'hlem=Golems,
>>Ghraem'lan=Gremlins, Ko'bal=Kobolds, Kno-gmon=Gnomes Al'ghol=Ghouls.
>
>
>... yes, and *where* is the 13th tribe, please? *Twelve* just doesn't
>make it as a magic number in Randland...
>
I wonder whether the Fades would qualify as a 13th Trolloc tribe, since
they are bred from Trolloc stock.
>
>>RANDOM NAMES : 2.4
>>....................
>
>>Myrddraal = ?Murder All?
>
>
>"Mere Thrall" - ironic DO joke?
>
Close. How about "Death-Thrall"? "Myrd" might conceivably be related to
MORT-.
>
>>If anybody wants to do a SHORT synopsis of why * == Jain Farstrider/Gaidal
>>Cain, send it to me, and I will append it to the appropriate section.
>
>[Tam == Jain synopsis munched]
My personal opinion is that, when Padan Fain meets the two above-mentioned
individuals, his Mordeth-facet is going to absorb them into the multiple
Fain-Mordeth entity. Thereafter, Fain will be known as "Jain Fain Cain."
:-)
>> 1.35.................................................IS VERIN BLACK????
>
>Robert Jordan denies it, no? He *did* say she was special, though...
>and no mention of the Verin==Corianin SillySpeculation (furor tm dbd, with
>inspiration from mi...@netlink.nix.com), I see...
>
Didn't Jordan just say, when asked if Verin was Black, that he hoped to
go on surprising people? And I think I pointed out, after hearing that,
that no matter what sort of orientation Verin turns out to have,
approximately half the people in this group are going to be surprised...
BTW, I sort of like the SFA and VOV hypotheses ("Second Foundation Ajah"
and "Very Old Verin"). If Verin were old enough, that would explain
how she was able to say "Moiraine sent me" in tGH, even if she were not
Black -- she would never have had to hold the Oath Rod (that custom was
introduced, if I remember correctly, fairly recently -- only one or
two thousand years ago). So Verin would have no trouble being non-Black
and lying at the same time.
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Joseph Shaw
> >TROLLOC TRIBES : 2.1
> ... yes, and *where* is the 13th tribe, please? *Twelve* just doesn't
> make it as a magic number in Randland...
Right below:
> >RANDOM NAMES : 2.4
> >Myrddraal = ?Murder All?
> as well as sometime explaining just what *did* happen
> to Jain "McGuffin" Farstrider (whose literary presence in the series so far
> has been undeniably ubiquitous)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Huh?
We have seen absolutely no mention of Farstrider in the last two books.
> >1.34.............................................COUNTRIES OF RAND-LAND
Actually, I though Sir MPS was working on an expanded edition. Did it
get cut due to length?
- Joe
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gree...@news.delphi.com
which as the result of a deal with the Devil, a man is given a watch which
will stop time when he is happy, if he turns the watchstem . . .
In "Her Magesty's WIzard" by Stasteff (sp.?), a wizard uses a spell to
stop time for the opposite army.
Pam Korda
>In article <1994Feb26....@martha.utcc.utk.edu> d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>> as well as sometime explaining just what *did* happen
>> to Jain "McGuffin" Farstrider (whose literary presence in the series so far
>> has been undeniably ubiquitous)
>Huh?
>We have seen absolutely no mention of Farstrider in the last two books.
Joe. You must try to understand that Farstrider lives on in the minds
of his believers. He is in all of us. I'm Jain, You're Jain, Tam,
Elyas, Beidomon, Bayle domon, Egwene, Lanfear--all of them contain a
little bit of Jain.
>> >1.34.............................................COUNTRIES OF RAND-LAND
>Actually, I though Sir MPS was working on an expanded edition. Did it
>get cut due to length?
so far as i know, he is still working on it, or has given it up. if
anybody feels like contributing to the cause...
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David DeLaney
>BTW, I sort of like the SFA and VOV hypotheses ("Second Foundation Ajah"
>and "Very Old Verin"). If Verin were old enough, that would explain
>how she was able to say "Moiraine sent me" in tGH, even if she were not
>Black -- she would never have had to hold the Oath Rod (that custom was
>introduced, if I remember correctly, fairly recently -- only one or
>two thousand years ago). So Verin would have no trouble being non-Black
>and lying at the same time.
Ding! A bulb just went on in my head: given VOV (or even not) - how much
you wanna bet that *a* Moiraine did send her somewhere to do something
at some time in the past? Nobody ever said she had to answer the question
you're *asking*...
Dave "grasping at straw men" DeLaney
Alayne McGregor
In a previous article, ca...@cray.com (David S. Cargo) says:
>If memory serves, John D. MacDonald wrote a book called "The Girl, the
>Gold Watch, and Everything." I believe I have heard that there was a
>made-for-TV movie based on it.
And Joe Haldeman wrote an updated version using the same gimmick called
_Tool of the Trade_. A good action-adventure story with an SF twist, and
one of the more believable hero-saves-the-world-singlehandedly endings.
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Dave Schaumann
Alayne McGregor <aa...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>>[...]John D. MacDonald wrote a book called "The Girl, the Gold Watch,
>>and Everything." [...]
>
>And Joe Haldeman wrote an updated version using the same gimmick called
>_Tool of the Trade_. A good action-adventure story with an SF twist, and
>one of the more believable hero-saves-the-world-singlehandedly endings.
I found TotT to be the most disappointing Haldeman I've read so far.
From an SF point of view, he took an idea that's at least as old as
Asimov's _Foundation and Empire_ and didn't really do anything new
with it. I can't speak for how cloak-and-dagger types found it, but
I suspect they would be annoyed by the deus-ex-machina quality the
"tool" lent to the story.
--
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P.H.Hicks
> In article <1994Feb21...@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Robert Williams) writes:
> > Hi,
> > I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
[deletia]....
> > Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
> > this feature? Thanks
> >
> >
> Try Babel-17 (I forget the author) about the language who
> makes people think 'faster'.
>
> Egil
It's by Samuel R. Delany.
Phil.
Emily Breed
Robert Williams <rlwil...@gallua.gallaudet.edu> wrote:
>the ability to stop time.
These two aren't about stopping time, but they are about different rates
of time/metabolism/life/whathaveyou. *Dragon's Egg*, by Robert
Forward, deals with creatures that evolved on the surface of a star and
live much faster than humans. (It's been a while since I read it, so I
may have mangled the plot...) And there was a story published some
years back in *Fantasy & Science Fiction* called "The Slow Birds," but I
don't remember the author. That was an intriguing one...
Emily Breed emi...@netcom.com
Steve Glover
: eg...@Lise.Unit.NO writes:
: > >
: > Try Babel-17 (I forget the author) about the language who
: > makes people think 'faster'.
: It's by Samuel R. Delany.
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Bill Garrett
|> [From FAQ:]
|> >If anybody wants to do a SHORT synopsis of why * == Jain Farstrider/Gaidal
|> >Cain, send it to me, and I will append it to the appropriate section.
|>
|> Tam == Jain: Tam disappeared from Two Rivers for many years, at a period
|> covering Jain's travels/adventures/Glossary mentions. By considering *all* of
|> what we know of the movements of either, we can get a pretty fully realized
|> account of what T/J's movements must have been, *if* they are in fact the
|> same, who he interacted with, and what he'd done.
Actually, if you look at the timelines, you'll see that it's pretty much
impossible. The story of Lan's background and the betrayal of Malkier
mentions that "young Jain Farstrider" was already making a name for himself
in the borderlands. This means Jain was probably 20 at the time, which
would have been about 40 years ago, so Jain was 60 at the start of TEotW.
Tam al'Thor is 45, maximum, at that point.
|> The explanation rings my pattern-sense,
|> and fits with Jordan's "hide the stuff in plain sight" motif. Others of
|> course pooh-pooh this idea...
I know, it would really fit in with Jordan's style to have Jain == Tam,
but it just isn't so.
|> Dave "walls of books" DeLaney
You know you've made your mark on the Net when someone creates an
alt.bonehead group in your honor.
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Martin Schafer
>
>"Alien Earth", by Edmond Hamilton (in _The Best of Edmond Hamilton_).
>This is actually the reverse effect: a South American tribe has found
>a drug that slows down people's time perception enormously. The plot
>is a standard pulp-SF one of Mad Scientists using it for Nefarious
>Purposes, but the descriptions of the high-speed world are very
>effective (e.g. plants fighting like animals). Worth a look.
>
Roger Zelazny's The Great Slow Kings is told from the point of view
of a race whose perception of time has thousands or millions of years
passing every day.
Michael Macchione
Joseph Shaw <joe...@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> wrote:
>> >1.34.............................................COUNTRIES OF RAND-LAND
>
>Actually, I though Sir MPS was working on an expanded edition. Did it
>get cut due to length?
Would you believe that a trolloc ate it???
Actually, RJ and I are having a contest to see who if he can LoC out
before I can get this section typed up. He appears to be winning.
Graduate School: its more than a way of life. It's about two or three lifes.
Mike
Sir MPS
Michael Kalen Smith
cfb103 <CFB...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>
>Just recently, a book came out about this by the guy who wrote "Vox". The
>review was in the New York Times about a week ago or so.Basically, he just
>uses it to seduce women, though....
>
> -Josh Munn
That's _The Fermata_ by Nicholson Baker, that Robert mentioned. I read it
last week, nonstop, on a loooong cheap flight from San Francisco to Dallas
(which, unfortunately, was NOT nonstop and afforded lots of time for
reading and drinking overpriced beer at airport bars...). But the book is
definitely a hoot-and-a-half and is about to become my current favorite
for quoting out of. I particularly like Baker's ability to coin new words
the meanings of which are obvious and which OUGHT to have been invented
long ago. Even the raunchy parts are hilarious!
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Retief, was sent as a gladiator to some arena, vs some heavy-duty
monsters; he took some "speed", a virtual time stop for everyone/thing
else and ... good fun.
Also, in a parallel history series, detective Lord D'Arcy of Londinium
has a magic-using mate, Sean. The latter took care of a powerful
baddie MU by means of a time loop of about 12 sec. duration.
A free can of Foster's to the first person to name each story (*).
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: There was an amusing episode where the CDT's favourite diplomat,
: Retief, was sent as a gladiator to some arena, vs some heavy-duty
: monsters; he took some "speed", a virtual time stop for everyone/thing
: else and ... good fun.
_Retief and the Warlords_
I posted this one three or four days ago, including the touted effects
of the drug, Inth.
: A free can of Foster's to the first person to name each story (*).
I'm waiting...
: (*) Airfares and accommodation not included.
That's OK. You can just uuencode it and e-mail it to me.
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| the marginal cases.
David DeLaney
>d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>|> [My (Bill Garrett's) argument that the timeline necessarily
>|> disproves the Tam = Jain theory]
>|>
>|> ?? Whose timeline are you looking at? The one from the FAQ gives the fall of
>|> Malkier at about 22 years before Rand's birth, which is what I was working
>|> from, and takes Jain from ~20 to ~42 quite nicely... granted, it has Tam
>|> leaving the Two Rivers ten years (or so, tm) *after* the Fall of Malkier,
>|> but until someone quotes *exact* dates at me I'm going to stick with "it
>|> could've been about the same time, +- five years on each one"...
>
>The FAQ's timeline is notoriously inaccurate. You will accept, without
>explicit citation, that the fall of Malkier happened at about the time
>of Lan's birth, yes? "Young Jain Charin" was already gaining his
>reputation as Jain Farstrider around the time of Cowin Fairheart's
>betrayal, prior to the fall of Malkier. So Jain would have been about
>20 when Lan was an infant.
Okay, been thinking about this some. The fall of Malkier happened shortly
*after* Lan's birth, no? And say that Jain started off young ("young Jain
Charin", young enough to mention it), say 16. So we can shave a couple-three
years off the difference in *their* ages, enough to make Jain 17 or so when
Lan was born (not strictly necessary; 18 or 19 will still work).
>Now, Lan was a young man (say 20-25) when he met Moiraine and the two of
>them have been bonded for almost 20 years. Moreover, Lan's general
>description of having a stony face, worn look, and gray hair peg him at
>about 45. This puts Jain at about 65 at the start of TEotW, about 20
>years older than Tam al'Thor at that time.
"Young" again isn't defined; I'll accept the "almost 20 years", but must point
out that 16-18 is *also* "young", especially in a society with sporadic
medical care/Healer availability. Say 17, plus 18 years with Moiraine,
would put him at 35 instead of 45; the worn look I can pass off as lots
of adventures, and the gray hair too (or due simply to early graying in
his family; unless we have some *data* on this, we can't simply say "no"
- I'm sure you know at least one person who's been either graying or balding
by 30...).
On this point I'm not sure I agree that well with the Timeline/Ages
section; Lan may or may not be older than Moiraine, and Moiraine may be
40-minus rather than mid-40s and still have done all she's done.
This would then, if Jain were, say, 17 years older than Lan, make him 52 now.
Now although 65 is pretty inconsistent with Tam, I *dare* you to say that
52 isn't... the point is, the timeline is inaccurate enough that where you
can sprinkle in a few extra 2- or 3-year pluses to get 65, I can sprinkle in
a few "young"s or 3-years-offs to get 50+. And Tam might even stretch to
55 by now; he was an established soldier when he found Rand, and if we add
[digression: Rand was about 18 in TEotW, so is about 20 now (do we have a
timeline *for the books* yet, covering the events? I find I cannot recall
offhand how long the action's taken so far)] 18 for Rand to 35 for experienced-
soldier Tam, that's 53 easily...
>Another timeline difficulty is reconciling Tam's military service in
>Illian (and subsequently in the Aiel War) with Jain's adventures in the
>Borderlands. If Tam had been gone from the Two Rivers for 25 years
>(and was 65 when the Trollocs attacked on Bel Tine) he could conceivably
>have done both, but he wasn't gone for anything near that length of time
>(and isn't 65).
He's not 65, but then Jain isn't necessarily 65 either; you put in several
assumptions each of which added a few not-strictly-necessary years there...
Unfortunately, I did not think to *save* my Tam'n'Jain Go Intertwining To
The Wars And Book Publishing Business Chronology post; can anyone email
me a copy, or point to the sf-lovers' archives which would have it?
However, I believe Tam was gone for at *least* 15 years and probably nearer
20, and add 16 growing up to say 18 gone to 18 raising Rand, and we *still*
get 52 or so. So it's *possible* (and, to my mind, likely just from the
sheer patternedness of it) that Tam is Jain and Jain is Tam and we are all
together (no, stop it!)...
Dave "your serve; cite sources if possible" DeLaney
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Pam Korda
DAve, Dave, Dave...maybe, just _maybe_, Verin == Corianin Nedeal
(which, btw, does _not_ preclude her being a Darkfriend). But you
really should give up on this Jain Farstrider == Tam theory. It just
doesn't work.
>Okay, been thinking about this some. The fall of Malkier happened shortly
>*after* Lan's birth, no?
No. Lan was a baby when Jain captured Joewin^H^H^H^H^H^H Cowin Fairheart:
" When Cowin Fairheart's treachery was revealed and he was taken by
young Jain Charin--already calledd Jain Farstrider--[duel between
Fairheart & King al'Akir]...The first peal of doom...had been struck.
*There was no time to gather aid from Shienar or Arafel...Al'Akir and
his Queen el'Leanna, had Lan brought to them in his cradle...[lan's
parents swear the oath of the kings of Malkier for him]." <TEOTW,
ch47, More Tales of the Wheel>
this indicates that Lan was indeed alive, though just born, when
Malkier fell, and Jain was "young."
> And say that Jain started off young ("young Jain
>Charin", young enough to mention it), say 16. So we can shave a couple-three
I disagree that a 16-year-old could capture the great warrior Cowin
Fairheart, but I will grant you it anyway.
[Analysis of Lan's age]
>medical care/Healer availability. Say 17, plus 18 years with Moiraine,
>would put him at 35 instead of 45; the worn look I can pass off as lots
>of adventures, and the gray hair too (or due simply to early graying in
>his family; unless we have some *data* on this, we can't simply say "no"
HAHAHAHAH! Data to the rescue:
<TEOTW, ch 47, More Tales of the Wheel>
Lord Agelmar says: "We of Sheinar call ourselves Bordermen, but fewer
than fifty years ago, Sheinar was not truly of the Borderlands. North
of us...was Malkier."
this pegs the fall of Malkier at a little less than 50 years ago. I
will give you the benefit of the doubt, and say 45, although I would
say more like 46 or 47. So Jain, if still alive, would be at least 61
at the beginning of TEOTW.
[Tam]
>a few "young"s or 3-years-offs to get 50+. And Tam might even stretch to
>55 by now; he was an established soldier when he found Rand, and if we add
>18 {19 --pam} for Rand to 35 for experienced-
>soldier Tam, that's 53 {54 --pam} easily...
so, by your own estimates, you get Tam to be a max. of 54 years old. I
don't think you can go higher than that, since Tam still has some
non-grey hair (1st chapter of TEOTW), and is still fit enough to win
the 2 Rivers archery competition regularly.
>He's [Tam]not 65,but then Jain isn't necessarily 65 either; you put in several
>assumptions each of which added a few not-strictly-necessary years there...
That was Bill. I took Jain to be as young as conceivably possible, and
Tam as old as you said he could be (which I agree on, although i think
he is a little younger than 54)
>Dave "your serve; cite sources if possible" DeLaney
Pam "you can only fudge the data so much, Dave" Korda
Bill Garrett
|> However, I believe Tam was gone for at *least* 15 years and probably nearer
|> 20, and add 16 growing up to say 18 gone to 18 raising Rand, and we *still*
|> get 52 or so. So it's *possible* (and, to my mind, likely just from the
|> sheer patternedness of it) that Tam is Jain and Jain is Tam and we are all
|> together (no, stop it!)...
|>
|> Dave "your serve; cite sources if possible" DeLaney
One thing important to your theory was Lan's age. I still think he's
about 45, not just because of his general appearance, but also because
Nynaeve mentions a few times that he's old enough to be her father.
One such instance (don't have exact citation) was when Ny was hassling
Elayne about flirting with Thom. "He's more than old enough to be
your father," says Ny, but then grimaces as she remembers that Lan
is old enough to be her father. Nynaeve is about 25, so I contend
that that makes Lan about 45.
Was Tam really gone from the Two Rivers for 15-20 years? I don't think
so. If he were, the stories of his absence from Emond's Field would be
different. People would have never expected him back, many might have
feared he was lost (dead). Some might have thought him a stranger when
he returned. His farm would fallen into total disrepair. And then
he'd be 35-40 yo when he returned, with a _young_ outlander wife and
an infant? Also, recall (from TEotW) that Marin al'Vere and the
other women in town are always trying to fix him up with another wife,
reminding him that he's not too old. I don't think they'd be trying
to marry a guy in his 50s.
Now, the Illian/Borderlands thing. Your suggestion is that he went
to the Borderlands first, gained a big reputation as Jain Farstrider,
then went to Illian to serve in the Companions. Well, that might
explain his quick rise through the ranks in Illian. But wasn't
Jain a Borderlander? I forget whether the stories say that he _was_,
but I know they don't say that he was a Southerner. I expect that they
would if he were. (Yes, I know that this is evidence by negation)
Finally, the Ace of trump. The issue of Tam = Jain is something we
asked JR at the social last weekend. (I thought I had written about
this in my first summary, but I seems I made only a very brief and
vague reference to it.) When we told him about the theory of Jain
and Tam, he just furrowed his brow and stared at us for a moment.
I took this as a denial, although he said:
"Tam al'Thor has had an interesting and varied past, one
that will bring him back into the story later. What I wrote
in the beginning of TEotW, with Tam's delerious ramblings
and Moiraine's story, is not the complete tale of Tam al'Thor."
Well, I took this to mean that Tam is not Jain, but that Tam *is*
someone of interest. I suppose it could also be taken as a vague
affirmation that Tam is Jain. As Chad has become fond of saying,
make of it what you will.
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Chad C. D'Amour Orzel
Bill Garrett <wgar...@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>
>Was Tam really gone from the Two Rivers for 15-20 years? I don't think
>so. If he were, the stories of his absence from Emond's Field would be
>different. People would have never expected him back, many might have
>feared he was lost (dead). Some might have thought him a stranger when
>he returned. His farm would fallen into total disrepair. And then
>he'd be 35-40 yo when he returned, with a _young_ outlander wife and
>an infant? Also, recall (from TEotW) that Marin al'Vere and the
>other women in town are always trying to fix him up with another wife,
>reminding him that he's not too old. I don't think they'd be trying
>to marry a guy in his 50s.
>
be almost impossible for him to return and fit back into the Two Rivers
society. Like any small town, Emond's Field seems to depend largely on the
close relationships between the various citizens- everybody knows everbody
else, and what they do, and so on. You can't just drop 20 years of context
and fit into the picture. Let alone become a well-respected member of the
Village Council. Five, ten years can be written off a bit more easily-
youthful exuberance, and all that. 15-20 years is too big a hole to fill.
>Finally, the Ace of trump. The issue of Tam = Jain is something we
>asked JR at the social last weekend. (I thought I had written about
>this in my first summary, but I seems I made only a very brief and
>vague reference to it.) When we told him about the theory of Jain
>and Tam, he just furrowed his brow and stared at us for a moment.
>I took this as a denial, although he said:
>
> "Tam al'Thor has had an interesting and varied past, one
> that will bring him back into the story later. What I wrote
> in the beginning of TEotW, with Tam's delerious ramblings
> and Moiraine's story, is not the complete tale of Tam al'Thor."
>
I could question the phrasing, but that's essentially it. (Except I
thought Moiraine's story was in tGH...). Definitely seems to be saying
that Tam has a Past, and an interesting one at that...
But I still say there's no way he could be Farstrider...
Later,
OilCan
David DeLaney
>d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) writes:
>|> [Tam = Jain theory, massive amounts of text deleted]
>|> However, I believe Tam was gone for at *least* 15 years and probably nearer
>|> 20, and add 16 growing up to say 18 gone to 18 raising Rand, and we *still*
>|> get 52 or so. So it's *possible* (and, to my mind, likely just from the
>|> sheer patternedness of it) that Tam is Jain and Jain is Tam and we are all
>|> together (no, stop it!)...
>|>
>|> Dave "your serve; cite sources if possible" DeLaney
>
>One thing important to your theory was Lan's age. I still think he's
>about 45, not just because of his general appearance, but also because
>Nynaeve mentions a few times that he's old enough to be her father.
>One such instance (don't have exact citation) was when Ny was hassling
>Elayne about flirting with Thom. "He's more than old enough to be
>your father," says Ny, but then grimaces as she remembers that Lan
>is old enough to be her father. Nynaeve is about 25, so I contend
>that that makes Lan about 45.
Yes, Pam has trumped my theory with noting a source for Malkier falling
about 45-50 years ago.
>Was Tam really gone from the Two Rivers for 15-20 years? I don't think
>so. If he were, the stories of his absence from Emond's Field would be
>different. People would have never expected him back, many might have
>feared he was lost (dead). Some might have thought him a stranger when
>he returned. His farm would fallen into total disrepair. And then
>he'd be 35-40 yo when he returned, with a _young_ outlander wife and
>an infant? Also, recall (from TEotW) that Marin al'Vere and the
>other women in town are always trying to fix him up with another wife,
>reminding him that he's not too old. I don't think they'd be trying
>to marry a guy in his 50s.
True as well (although the "not too old" can be seen as desparation on their
part; I got the sense from the passages that he was desirable enough, when you
threw in his farm as well, for them to have attempted it even were he a
Trolloc...). The only real way to rescue the theory is to make Tam 60-65...
which I can think of at least one way to *do* - but it's unlikely enough that
I'll drop it instead... (although I'm not sure what your point re: 35-40
with a _young_ wife and infant is... men are *fertile* well past that age,
up into the 70s and 802 sometimes...)
>Now, the Illian/Borderlands thing. Your suggestion is that he went
>to the Borderlands first, gained a big reputation as Jain Farstrider,
>then went to Illian to serve in the Companions. Well, that might
>explain his quick rise through the ranks in Illian. But wasn't
>Jain a Borderlander? I forget whether the stories say that he _was_,
>but I know they don't say that he was a Southerner. I expect that they
>would if he were. (Yes, I know that this is evidence by negation)
As I recall, we have one (Glossary?) passage that says someone *else*
said Jain was a Borderlander. I could be wrong. My original theory had
Tam taking on a false name; why not a false origin as well? ("Yeah, I'm
from Two Rivers." "Where?" "Two rivers, right over ... hell, I'm a
Borderlander...").
>Finally, the Ace of trump. The issue of Tam = Jain is something we
>asked JR at the social last weekend. (I thought I had written about
>this in my first summary, but I seems I made only a very brief and
>vague reference to it.) When we told him about the theory of Jain
>and Tam, he just furrowed his brow and stared at us for a moment.
>I took this as a denial, although he said:
>
> "Tam al'Thor has had an interesting and varied past, one
> that will bring him back into the story later. What I wrote
> in the beginning of TEotW, with Tam's delerious ramblings
> and Moiraine's story, is not the complete tale of Tam al'Thor."
>
>Well, I took this to mean that Tam is not Jain, but that Tam *is*
>someone of interest. I suppose it could also be taken as a vague
>affirmation that Tam is Jain. As Chad has become fond of saying,
>make of it what you will.
Well, I'll be glad to hear Tam's *real* history when it comes up...
Dave "although maybe he was just surprised someone figured it out?" DeLaney
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Pam Korda
>I'll drop it instead... (although I'm not sure what your point re: 35-40
>with a _young_ wife and infant is... men are *fertile* well past that age,
>up into the 70s and 802 sometimes...)
SURELY not THAT old? unless one is a Forsaken, that is. Rahvin
certainly didn't have a problem with that.
Oh, and definite proof that Tam is not Jain. Jain disappeared in the
year 994NE, according to the TEOTW glossary, after a trip to the blight. Tam
was peacefully raising sheep at the time, in the Two Rivers.
Don Harlow
>
>As I recall, we have one (Glossary?) passage that says someone *else*
>said Jain was a Borderlander. I could be wrong. My original theory had
>Tam taking on a false name; why not a false origin as well? ("Yeah, I'm
>from Two Rivers." "Where?" "Two rivers, right over ... hell, I'm a
>Borderlander...").
>
all smoke the stuff.
It's just that almost nobody ever bothers to go there.
Joe Uno Shaw
> Oh, and definite proof that Tam is not Jain. Jain disappeared in the
> year 994NE, according to the TEOTW glossary, after a trip to the blight. Tam
> was peacefully raising sheep at the time, in the Two Rivers.
Now, now, Pam. Everybody knows that the 994 NE number is generally
considered an error. It's even in your FAQ. Did you expect Dave not
to grep for FAQ for this? Have you no shame? Surely you're not so
desparate to disprove the theory that you forgot what was in your own
FAQ. You need something better than this if you want to successfully
troll Dave "the art of the extended troll" DeLaney himself.
- Joe
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Pam Korda
>Now, now, Pam. Everybody knows that the 994 NE number is generally
>considered an error. It's even in your FAQ. Did you expect Dave not
>to grep for FAQ for this? Have you no shame? Surely you're not so
AAACCKKK!!!! *hides face in shame* Maybe I should go turn myself in to the whitecloaks now. You will all have to forgive me; I have been studying for my physics final for four days straight, and have lost my already tenuous grasp on reality.
>FAQ. You need something better than this if you want to successfully
>troll Dave "the art of the extended troll" DeLaney himself.
don't worry, i did. I pointed out that we have proof that Malkier fell
50 years from the start of TEOTW, making Jain at least 65.
DEANA LIVINGSTON
>From: oil...@wam.umd.edu (Chad C. D'Amour Orzel)
>Subject: Re: Jordan: Tam is not Jain! (was FAQ Thoughts)
>Date: 13 Mar 1994 23:42:27 GMT
>In article <1994Mar13.1...@cs.cornell.edu>,
>Bill Garrett <wgar...@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Was Tam really gone from the Two Rivers for 15-20 years? I don't think
>>so. If he were, the stories of his absence from Emond's Field would be
>>different. People would have never expected him back, many might have
>>feared he was lost (dead). Some might have thought him a stranger when
>>he returned. His farm would fallen into total disrepair. And then
>>he'd be 35-40 yo when he returned, with a _young_ outlander wife and
>>an infant? Also, recall (from TEotW) that Marin al'Vere and the
>>other women in town are always trying to fix him up with another wife,
>>reminding him that he's not too old. I don't think they'd be trying
>>to marry a guy in his 50s.
Why not? I'm sure there are widows of that age in Edmond's Field.
>This is what seals it for me- If Tam had been away for 20 years, it would
>be almost impossible for him to return and fit back into the Two Rivers
>society. Like any small town, Emond's Field seems to depend largely on the
>close relationships between the various citizens- everybody knows everbody
>else, and what they do, and so on. You can't just drop 20 years of context
>and fit into the picture. Let alone become a well-respected member of the
>Village Council. Five, ten years can be written off a bit more easily-
>youthful exuberance, and all that. 15-20 years is too big a hole to fill.
I'll have to disagree with you here. My stepfather took off, joined the
Navy, got married, had two children, got divorced, and moved back to the
town he grew up in (and we're talking one-stoplight-all-my-teachers-make-fun-
of-the-size-of-it-REALLY-small-town). This was over a period of at least 15
and probably more like 20 years. My mom moved back to this same town (when
she married my stepfather, of course) after a whopping 35 years and she
still knows most everyone and they accepted her back into the fold readily
(along with accepting her two children, also I might add.)
(munch Tam not = Jain stuff-I have no opinion)
>Later,
>OilCan
Deana Livingston
David Wren-Hardin
[David's pet theory that Tam==Jain munched]
>
>Dave "your serve; cite sources if possible" DeLaney
I can buy that it's possible from the time-line that Tam==Jain, but
so what ? Maybe Uno is Jain. I think that in a book of this size, and
with all the other hints Jordan drops left and right there'd be
_something_ hinting at Tam's Jainness. For example, in the first book,
if Tam==Jain, don't you think he'd have reacted in some way to seeing a
Warder and Borderlander ? I'm not saying he would have recognized
Lan, but he should have recognized the type. Little things like that
that would look inconsequential if you didn't know, but once you looked
at them in light of Tam==Jain, they'd jump out at you.
It's possible, but I just see not positive evidence for it.
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>>Later,
>>OilCan
>Deana Livingston
Also, to add to both of your comments. Remember, no matter how long Rand's
adoptive dad was away, Tam has since lived near Edmonds Field a good 16-20
years as Rand grew up. Thats more than enough time to be all that Tam is
today: respected and wise, and a member of the Village Council.
As for his farm falling into disrepair, and nobody knowing who he was, you
forget Tam's own family. Obviously by the time of the books they are dead or
simply never mentioned, but they probably maintained the farm. This assumes
Tam left a farm to go adventuring. I don't think its stated anywhere that
the farm Tam and Rand live on was necessarily there when Tam left to Illian.
He may have done a little bit of home building when he came back with his
new wife and kid on his own.
Daniel L. Rouk
d...@uncecs.edu
Person Man
Don
the day. "Prisoner of Time" (Cross, 1942) uses an operating table sized
entropy stasis hemisphere to stop time.
My primary motivation to read Perry Rhodan is for its expository
temporal conjectures. A whole ton of MilSF can be tolerated for a tad of
time theorization.
PR0076 "Under the Stars of Druffon," discloses a Zeiterstarrer
(time-paralyzer). It functions as a Krümmungsfeld-Generator (curvature
field generator) to open a portal to Ouspensky's fifth dimension: Space-
Time Curvature.
PR divides deep space into normal, or Einstein space, versus
"hyperspace," or Ouspensky's fifth dimension. Time initially passes
72,000 times slower along the front, the zone of contact, in the
continuum between planet Druufon's galaxy and the Milky Way.
It's time to transition to temporal thought experiments in Einstein
space. A hot plate's thermal gradient, with consequent expansion and
contraction, can cause curves in the nominally linear, shortest distance
between a couple of points on the hot plate, as perceived by a 2-D
traveler. The traveler's path describes an arc of a great circle.
Now we want to relate what we have just been talking about
to the idea of curved space-time. We have already pointed out
that if the time goes at different rates in different places,
it is analogous to the curved space of the hot plate. But
it is more than an analogy; it means space-time /is/ curved.
_The Feynman Lectures on Physics_
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> Probably different from most other suggestions here, but the anime "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure" features this power as the ability of the main antagonist in part 3, "Stardust Crusaders". Since each part of Jojo is its own story, you can start on part 3 without watching the first 2. In part 5, the main antagonist has the ability to skip time, which is different, but I still find the concept very interesting. He can basically view everything happening in his own little void for up to 10 seconds, and the user of the power himself is the only one that can move of his own free will, all others only move along the path of what they are destined to do, and the user cannot interact with anything that is happening while time is being skipped, and when it ends, everyone but the user has no memory of what happened during those 10 seconds.
Published in 1962.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
"Twisting Time"
by J.A. Sutherland
https://dl.bookfunnel.com/ggi6c2zeae (free download)
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
pete...@gmail.com
> Hi,
> remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
> Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
> time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
> stopped.
> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
> this feature? Thanks
> skip
> rlwil...@gallua.bitnet
There's a lot of these. 'The Fermata' is probably the most 'serious literature'
treatment. Most examples I can think of are short stories, and I have to
confess that I can't remember many titles, though Clarke's 'All the time in the world'
has stuck. You can find lists by googling 'timestop stories'. In the more sticky
corners of the internet, you'll find that Baker isn't the only writer who's applied
the idea for sexual purposes (ie, rape).
In animation, the Simpsons, Futurama, and Rick & Marty have all covered it.
Pt
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
else appears to be standing still. This was used very effectively
several times for Quicksilver in the X-Men movies.
Dorothy J Heydt
>There's also the "Flash" situation where a character is so fast everyone
>else appears to be standing still. This was used very effectively
>several times for Quicksilver in the X-Men movies.
That was also used in one of Keith Laumer's _Retief_ stories.
Though in that case it was a temporary, drug induced, state.
Butch Malahide
> Hi,
> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
> the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
> remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
> Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
> time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
> stopped.
> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
> this feature? Thanks
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/31663
Butch Malahide
> > I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
> >the ability to stop time.
> Spider Robinson's use of the idea in "Kill the Editor" (part of the
> novel "Lady Slings the Booze").
> A similar notion was used in an episode of "Friday the 13th -- The
> Series". A pocketwatch allowed the holder to stop time for one hour
> each night at 1:00. This was magic, not technology.
> Orson Scott Card's _Treason_ (formerly _A Planet Called Treason_) has
> a group of people who can adjust their time flow either up or down.
> They didn't actually stop time, but they could speed themselves up
> until everything else seemed stopped.
> Two for which I can't remember title or author, but maybe someone's
> memory will be jogged -- I'll try to include as much as I remember:
> A fairly old short story (40's or 50's, maybe) about a device that
> could speed up metabolism so the person could live much faster. One
> of the inventors used it to kill a woman by handcuffing her to a
> fixture and accelerating her -- she starved quickly. A friend/lover
> of the woman then accelerated the murderer, but he could move around.
> Moving was difficult because of the perceived viscosity of the air.
> His clothes fell apart from friction. Everything was silent, except
> one time when he heard a low rumble and found it was the shrill sound
> of a braking subway train. He was not normally seen, except a few
> times while he slept (eight hours of relative stillness translating
> into half a second or so of visibility). He died after many years of
> his time, one day of normal time.
"Half-Past Eternity" by John D. MacDonald.
https://archive.org/details/Super_Science_Stories_v07n01_1950-07/page/n11/mode/2up
Des
Des
Robert Carnegie
> Hi,
> remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
> Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
> time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
> stopped.
> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
> this feature? Thanks
> rlwil...@gallua.bitnet
Have we had
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Accelerator>
1901, fiction, describes the invention of a "speed drug".
My impression is that workers will be required to take
it and to do many times more work for no extra pay,
but the story does not quite say that.
Paul S Person
>In article <583a1694-b548-43cd...@googlegroups.com>,
>pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."
Paul S Person
<desmond...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 10:59:37?PM UTC+1, Butch Malahide wrote:
quite old and ended up quite young.
So he /remembered/ the future (having come from there) and moved
constantly into the past. (Except when stopping time, of course -- I
don't actually remember that happening.)
pete...@gmail.com
the Stone".
Pt
Dimensional Traveler
from reading it decades ago.
--
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dirty old man.
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the Cassie books.
Oh, and she can stop time as well as can her acolytes to some extent.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
>On 19 May 2023 16:53:02 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
><tednolan>) wrote:
>
>>In article <583a1694-b548-43cd...@googlegroups.com>,
>>pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
X-Men: Apocalypse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeh1gPb3w1I
&
X-Men: Days of Future Past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtROWxDO8EQ
Jack Bohn
> On Monday, February 21, 1994 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-5, Robert Williams wrote:
> > I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
> > the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
> > remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
> > Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
> > time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
> > stopped.
> > Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
> > this feature? Thanks
>
> treatment.
Eric Frank Russell's "The Waitabits" has an alien race whose physical reactions are so slow that they are nearly in stasis, but the rest of the physics of their planet are like those of the rest of the universe, so the point is made that their view of life would not be the same as ours, only slower.
--
-Jack
BCFD36
> In article <583a1694-b548-43cd...@googlegroups.com>,
> pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, February 21, 1994 at 6:13:39 PM UTC-5, Robert Williams wrote:
>> In animation, the Simpsons, Futurama, and Rick & Marty have all covered it.
>>
>> Pt
>
> There's also the "Flash" situation where a character is so fast everyone
> else appears to be standing still. This was used very effectively
> several times for Quicksilver in the X-Men movies.
aliens put something in the water and speed up Kirk. I would think that
moving that fast would cause some heating problems due to air resistance.
And of course, The Incredibles son Dash is pretty swift.
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Mike Spencer
"Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org> writes:
> "The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything", by John D. MacDonald.
> Published in 1962.
--
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Titus G
> On Monday, February 21, 1994 at 5:13:39 PM UTC-6, Robert Williams wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm interested in novels and short stories where characters have
>> the ability to stop time. I'm reading one now called Fermata by Baker. I
>> remember one of Alfred Bester's novels (I forget if it's The Stars My
>> Destination or The Demolished Man) featured a character who couldn't stop
>> time but could accelerate to such an extent that it appeared that time was
>> stopped.
>> Could you let me know some other books or short stories that have
>> this feature? Thanks
accelerated, a necessary feature of a brilliant story but mainly
concerned with matters other than time.
Yes, this is about time but it is pure Lafferty. Who else would approach
time manipulation with such a consideration as "He could take shoe and
sock off a man's foot while he was in full stride." and
"there are many ways to outwit the slowness of matter.”
But do you need to read “The Relationship of Extradigitalism to Genius.”
first?
I love Lafferty in small doses and that 30 page story is a great example
of his unique perspective.
Paul S Person
>In article <kbqh6i599ku38h4g6...@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On 19 May 2023 16:53:02 GMT, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
>><tednolan>) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <583a1694-b548-43cd...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>pete...@gmail.com <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
Class/ -- it was definitely, at most, second class. IMHO.
I've seen each of them ... once. I don't recall /X-Men: Apocalypse/ at
all, even after reading the plot summary in IMDb, which says something
about how much I liked it. I do recall /X-Men: Days of Future Past/
amd recognize the plot summary, but I wasn't much impressed with that
either.
/Dark Phoenix/, OTOH, I bought on disc despite perhaps being part of
the reboot. Also /The New Mutants/, despite its relation to /Logan/
(another unsatisfactory excuse for an X-Men film).
But thanks for responding.
Hamish Laws
Death serves as death until one of the people he's meant to process kills him (he only has to deal with people who are very close to the heaven/hell cutoff)
Chronos serves going backwards in time between the time he picks up the hourglass and when he's born
There are 3 separate people who serve as fate and they all get to chose to step out back into the normal world as human again
I don't think I ever read the ones on War or Nature so I don't know how that works
Chronos can also travel through time - at least within his era between birth and becoming Chronos, I don't know if he can go outside that period. I'd imagine that even if he can he's got much reduced power - and do a heap of other tricks with time. He can definitely freeze time, or at least make the progression so slow that it's effectively frozen for anybody else.
Paul S Person
<hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
agony. But it may well be that the limitation you present is also
given in the books, consistency being the hobgoblin of small minds and
all that.
>Chronos serves going backwards in time between the time he picks up the hourglass and when he's born
>There are 3 separate people who serve as fate and they all get to chose to step out back into the normal world as human again
>I don't think I ever read the ones on War or Nature so I don't know how that works
two, you really missed something. Well, IMHO, of course. YMMV.
>Chronos can also travel through time - at least within his era between birth and becoming Chronos, I don't know if he can go outside that period. I'd imagine that even if he can he's got much reduced power - and do a heap of other tricks with time. He can definitely freeze time, or at least make the progression so slow that it's effectively frozen for anybody else.
this.