Weird drinks in SF
David McMillan
So, I'm finally getting around to reading "Acceleradndo," and get
stopped dead by the following item appearing in a bar scene: sea wasp
margaritas (note the lack of capitalization). The hook is, the
characters all being uploads living in virtuality, they can do things
like plunk living baby jellyfish (the stinging kind) into booze and
drinking the thing down whole -- all the Experience, none of the Damage.
Personally, I don't think I'd do it, but if you're immortal and can't
be actually *harmed* by the experience, after a while I suppose boredom
could drive even reasonable people to try things like this. It's
practically a staple of the genre.
So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
are there?
There's "The Drink That The Censors Wouldn't Allow on Star Trek," as
related by David Gerrold -- a multi-layered drink whose layers didn't
intermix, which caused a different emotion in the drinker as s/he hit
each layer. Of course, this being the '60s, the suits were a bit
gun-shy about anything that even remotely smacked of Druuuuuugs...
(insert snarky comment about how things don't change much here).
And, of course, Douglas Adams provides several contenders in HHGG, from
the infamous Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster to the brand (Ol' Janx Spirit?)
that was the centerpiece of a telekinetic drinking game b/c it reduced
telekinetic abilities.
Johnny Walker Chartreuse deserves an honorable mention, for the name if
nothing else -- ran across it in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek far-future
fanfic. Apparently, after a few more centuries, JW will start running
out of primary colors....
Nyrath the nearly wise
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> are there?
If one stretches the definition of SF to cover Star Trek novels,
Diane Duane's THE WOUNDED SKY featured a strange drink
with the nick-name "more of the same." Whatever emotion the
drinker was experiencing before imbibing would be intensified.
Kirk got more and more jubilant while Spock got more and more
inscrutable.
There was a fairly pedestrian drink in Joe Haldeman's
THE FOREVER WAR called a "rum Antares." It had a
ball of some cinnamon ester at the bottom emitting
rising trails of cinnamon flavor.
I have a vague memory of something called "rhial",
which turned to vapor in the mouth.
Don Bruder
I've forgotten the name of it, but Guinan mixed up something like that
in ten-forward on TNG - The trick was, as she explained it to Picard,
getting the various vapor pressures to balance so that just as it hit
the drinker's mouth, <poof> it evaporated into nothing but flavor - Get
it just a little wrong, and... <fsst> it vanished before your very eyes
before you could knock it back - as she demonstrated in a special effect
I thought was rather neat to watch. Seems to me that was in part one of
the two-part "Time's Arrow" episode - the one where they find Data's
head (but not the rest of him) buried in a 19th century tunnel complex
under San Francisco, and much time-travel hilarity (including a visit
from Mark Twain) ensues.
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Lawrence Watt-Evans
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> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>are there?
I have a soft spot for the Helena Glinska, invented by Henry Kuttner
in "The Ego Machine." It's named for Ivan the Terrible's mother, and
is a "drink" designed to be spilled on someone you don't like -- it's
as sticky and disgusting as possible.
Alas, I can't find my copy of the story and don't remember the exact
recipe.
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> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> are there?
The Anthony Boucher story "Q.U.R." featured a cocktail named Three
Planets. It featured a mix of products: Earth rum, Venusian margil, and
a dash of Martian vuzd. The dash was the important part.
Brian
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Bill Snyder
<spam...@skyefire.org> wrote:
> Johnny Walker Chartreuse deserves an honorable mention, for the name if
>nothing else -- ran across it in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek far-future
>fanfic. Apparently, after a few more centuries, JW will start running
>out of primary colors....
Black is a primary color?
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Lee K. Gleason
"David McMillan" <spam...@skyefire.org> wrote in message
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>
> So, I'm finally getting around to reading "Acceleradndo," and get
> stopped dead by the following item appearing in a bar scene: sea wasp
> margaritas (note the lack of capitalization). The hook is, the
> characters all being uploads living in virtuality, they can do things
> like plunk living baby jellyfish (the stinging kind) into booze and
> drinking the thing down whole -- all the Experience, none of the Damage.
> Personally, I don't think I'd do it, but if you're immortal and can't
> be actually *harmed* by the experience, after a while I suppose boredom
> could drive even reasonable people to try things like this. It's
> practically a staple of the genre.
>
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> are there?
From my very favorite science fiction short story, "Dance of the Dead".
"Green Swamp!" Barbara said and, "Green Swamp here!" Len passed it along.
Gin, Invasion Blood (1987 Rum), lime juice, sugar, mint spray, splintered
ice"
The story was full of little touches that make it the ultimate story of
what people in the 50s thought the future would turn outlike. It's available
online at
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/matheson/matheson1.html.
It was adapted so-so by Tobe Hooper for the Masters of Horror sf series.
He did an adequate job, but totally lost the flavor of the story in the
process of updating it for current day.
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Mike Schilling
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> What, no mention of the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster yet?
Or Martian Jabra water? (Asimov used it in at least few stories.)
Don Bruder
Darren Garrison <cyn...@charter.net> wrote:
> What, no mention of the Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster yet?
It was covered in the OP as an example of what was being looked for.
Butch Malahide
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> are there?
Moonjuice, "What Mad Universe", Fredric Brown
Kickapoo joy juice, "Li'l Abner", Al Capp
Szelack, "The Unholy City", Charles G. Finney
Hyper
Layered drink - 9 planets. Solarians by Norman Spinrad 1966.
Last layer sobers you.
Phillip Thorne
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>are there?
In _The Also People_, a 1995 "Doctor Who New Adventures" novel by Ben
Aaronovitch, one of the Doctor's companions orders, in a burst of
frustration at an automated beach bar, "an exaggerated sexual innuendo
with a dash of patriot's spirit and extra mushrooms." She had just
made it up, but a few minutes later, what should arrive without
complaint, but a frosty glass "of cloudy orange shot through with
vermillion ... [with] something grey float[ing] near the top."
The joke is that they're visiting a Dyson sphere with a population of
*two trillion* and an all-encompassing computer system, so that just
about any drink humanoids might think of, has been thought of, and is
stored for instant replication.
(The novel is an unabashed rip-off of Iain M. Bank's Culture, but more
fun. Much of it is spent hanging out with the terribly friendly
residents, human and otherwise, while investigating a murder.)
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Jack Tingle
wrote:
>On Jun 17, 2:17 pm, David McMillan <spamt...@skyefire.org> wrote:
>> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>> are there?
>Layered drink - 9 planets. Solarians by Norman Spinrad 1966.
>Last layer sobers you.
Whoops! There are now 8. Which one do you omit, the last one?
The damned future just isn't all it was cracked up to be.
Regards,
Jack Tingle
GJ
Winter Vol 10 #2
pages 120 & 121
"Again that grisly question rears its head. What is Xeno? And once
more the old Sagre will try to explain. Xeno, my child, is the
concentrated essence of vibrant life, the very core of blissful
dreams, the quintessence of bliss, double distilled from a maiden's
heart,the epitome of all longing, the acme of all human achievement,
the pineapple of politeness-------
In short, Xenoi is such big stuff in the spirit world that a Zombie
by comparison is only a second-hand spook in a Bronx barroom, and
Sergeant Saturn drinks it as a beverage Lethe so he can forget
what you junior astrogators say."
Tim Bruening
Jack Tingle wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:14:49 -0700, Hyper <hyper...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 17, 2:17 pm, David McMillan <spamt...@skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> >> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> >> are there?
>
> >Layered drink - 9 planets. Solarians by Norman Spinrad 1966.
> >Last layer sobers you.
>
> Whoops! There are now 8. Which one do you omit, the last one?
Oh no, they blew up Pluto!
David Harmon
McMillan <spam...@skyefire.org> wrote,
> Johnny Walker Chartreuse deserves an honorable mention, for the name if
>nothing else -- ran across it in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek far-future
>fanfic. Apparently, after a few more centuries, JW will start running
>out of primary colors....
Dishonorable mention, more like. Chartreuse is a perfectly good drink
without any help from or dilution of the trademark from JW.
Chris Kuan
03:30:22p
> Oh no, they blew up Pluto!
You bastards!
Anyway, we'll always have Paris... er, Eris. :-)
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John Elliott
: In _The Also People_, a 1995 "Doctor Who New Adventures" novel by Ben
: Aaronovitch, one of the Doctor's companions orders, in a burst of
: frustration at an automated beach bar, "an exaggerated sexual innuendo
: with a dash of patriot's spirit and extra mushrooms." She had just
: made it up, but a few minutes later, what should arrive without
: complaint, but a frosty glass "of cloudy orange shot through with
: vermillion ... [with] something grey float[ing] near the top."
It also comes in quite handy later on that the same bar will happily serve
liquid nitrogen.
Then there's Something Sweet, from the story of the same name by Charles
Stross. That's a very strange SFnal drink.
--
John Elliott
Joe Bednorz
<5es55f...@seasip.demon.co.uk>:
One of the Stainless Steel Rat stories has Panther Sweat: "I could
feel it doing me harm." (Post nuptial drink.)
One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger Breath",
the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of its molecules
is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
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>
> One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger Breath",
> the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of its molecules
> is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
>
Another Callaghan story features a cocktail with a chopstick in it.
When Dr Webster asks what it is, he's told "It's a Hickory Daiquiri,
Doc"
Cheers,
Nigel.
Mike Schilling
"Joe Bednorz" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> One of the Stainless Steel Rat stories has Panther Sweat: "I could
> feel it doing me harm." (Post nuptial drink.)
>
> One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger Breath",
> the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of its molecules
> is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
Not SF, but _Cannery Row_ has "Old Tennessee", usually called "Old Tennis
Shoes".
David Tate
> One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger Breath",
> the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of its molecules
> is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
Roger Zelazny used the same idea in _Doorways in the Sand_; a mediocre
whisky whose stereoisomer(?) is breathtakingly wonderful.
While I'm here...
Eric Frank Russell's "And Then There Were None" features the beverages
dith, double dith, and shemak. (And coffee.)
The Korval novels of Lee & Miller include a number of interesting
alcoholic beverages, from the rotgut spirit kynak to the delectable
wine(?) misravot. Wines come in red and white, but also jade and
blue(?). The wine list also includes brandy; apparently Liadens have
something in common with Dragaerans.
The short story "A Flask of Fine Arcturan" by C.C. MacApp centers
around a whisky that is bottled and aged in wooden casks hollowed by
sentient termites, in a manner that imparts otherwordly flavors.
The list of intriguing beverages (alcoholic and otherwise) in the
works of Jack Vance could be a thread of its own.
The "Steerswoman" stories of Rosemary Kirstein include a beverage
(whose name eludes me) that must be mixed at the moment of drinking --
IIRC it's a combination of a fermented goat's milk and a raw spirit,
and it curdles almost instantly.
There is also, of course, the central beverage of Tim Powers's _The
Drawing of the Dark_.
Dave Tate
Mike Schilling
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>
> There is also, of course, the central beverage of Tim Powers's _The
> Drawing of the Dark_.
Which is beer. Mostly...
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Other drinks mentioned were the "Mother Superior" (martini with a
prune) and the "Horse's Ass" (like ginger-ale with a cherry or
something). Those were the only two that Callahan gave out for free
because he didn't know how to make them.
The Mad Alchemist
Obviously.
I think the Lando Calrissian books (Mindharp of Sharu and two others
that I've forgotten) mentioned coffiene as a drink.
JXStern
<spam...@skyefire.org> wrote:
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
Whatever Scotty last found on TOS, when all he knew is that it was
green.
In "The Forever War", when the hero is on the hospital planet drinking
with the homosexual cyborg and decides to have one of whateever he's
drinking.
Conway Costigan in "First Lensman" (?) asking for a Pineapple Pop in a
bar to start a fight so he can safely last out the weekend in jail.
J.
Hyper
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:17:14 -0400, David McMillan
>
> > So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>
> Whatever Scotty last found on TOS, when all he knew is that it was
> green.
>
> In "The Forever War", when the hero is on the hospital planet drinking
> with the homosexual cyborg and decides to have one of whateever he's
> drinking.
The cyborg was NOT gay. Guy lost his apparatus.
David McMillan
Well, the scene in question was in a Really Tough Biker Bar -- the
Toughest Guy In The Joint bellying up to said bar and ordering "Johnny
Walker Chartreuse" was intended to be jarring to the reader's
sensibilities....
JXStern
wrote:
hokay I should have looked it up.
J.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> In "The Forever War", when the hero is on the hospital planet drinking
>> with the homosexual cyborg and decides to have one of whateever he's
>> drinking.
>
>The cyborg was NOT gay. Guy lost his apparatus.
Well, I've read a different book that had a gay tin woodman without
his apparatus.
Erol K. Bayburt
wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:17:14 -0400, David McMillan
><spam...@skyefire.org> wrote:
>
>> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>
>Conway Costigan in "First Lensman" (?) asking for a Pineapple Pop in a
>bar to start a fight so he can safely last out the weekend in jail.
Fayalin, from the later Lensmen books: "A stimulating, although
non-intoxicating beverage prepared from the fruit of a Crevenian
shrub, *Fayaloclastus Augustifolius Barnstead*; much in favor as a
ceremonial drink among those who can afford it."
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William December Starr
David McMillan <spam...@skyefire.org> said:
> There's "The Drink That The Censors Wouldn't Allow on Star Trek,"
> as related by David Gerrold -- a multi-layered drink whose layers
> didn't intermix, which caused a different emotion in the drinker
> as s/he hit each layer. Of course, this being the '60s, the suits
> were a bit gun-shy about anything that even remotely smacked of
> Druuuuuugs... (insert snarky comment about how things don't
> change much here).
Not to mention good old Romulan Ale. Which wasn't particularly
weird, I imagine, but since Star Trek was mentioned...
Also: I recall a short story about a drink served in a hangout for
pilots, scientists, miners and the rest of the wretched scum out in
Sol's asteroid belt... analogous to the worm in tequila, it included
a chip of ice that contained a frozen inch-long ice-worm, a
little-known, and harmless to humans, life form found on some rocks
in the belt. The punch-line was that the reason that the worm was
so little-known was that it didn't exist -- the drink was a
traditional joke played on new arrivals and the worm was just a
short piece of cooked spaghetti with two bright red eyes drawn on
with food coloring.
The long-time pilot who narrated the story used newbie spacers'
reactions to the drink as a quick and dirty personality test: the
ones who made a point of being real tough guys who weren't going to
be scared off by a little alien matter were the one's he'd rather
not have to be in a position to depend on, because Ego Bad / Caution
Good out there in the big dark places.
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Joe Bednorz <inv...@invalid.invalid> said:
> One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger
> Breath", the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of
> its molecules is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
Identical to the revered "Four-Eye Monongahela," to be precise.
Which itself is fictional, I believe, but I forget what I was told
was the source. (Something by O Henry?)
David M. Palmer
<wds...@panix.com> wrote:
"Spud and Cochise" by Oliver La Farge, which is included in "The Best
Of All Possible Worlds" (S. Robinson, ed.)
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Michael Stemper
>Candace Jane Dorsey's "Black Wine" featured, well, black wine.
In two of Laumer's Retief stories (I believe that the first was "Cultural
Exchange"), Retief becomes acquainted with the Bacchus wines, which come
in black and white. They are best drunk in alternation.
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Kay Shapero
l...@sff.net says...
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:17:14 -0400, David McMillan
> <spam...@skyefire.org> wrote:
>
> > So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>
> I have a soft spot for the Helena Glinska, invented by Henry Kuttner
> in "The Ego Machine." It's named for Ivan the Terrible's mother, and
> is a "drink" designed to be spilled on someone you don't like -- it's
> as sticky and disgusting as possible.
>
> Alas, I can't find my copy of the story and don't remember the exact
> recipe.
It's on my short list of favorite short stories of all time. I even
borrowed the drink for a totally unrelated group generated fanfic. :) It
just so happens I've got a copy of the story here:
begin quote
"I want it at once, do you hear? A Helena Glinska, yes. Perhaps you
don't know it? Then listen carefully. Take the largest Napoleon you've
got. If you haven't a big one, a small punch bowl will do. Fill it
half full with ice-cold ale. Got that? Add three jiggers of creme de
menthe=--"
"Nick, are you mad?" Erika demanded, revolted.
"--and six jiggers of honey," Martin went on, placidly. "Stir, don't
shake. Never shake a Helena Glinska. Keep it well chilled, and--"
"Miss Ashby, we are very busy," St. Cyr broke in importantly, making
shooing motions toward the door. "Not now. Sorry. You interrupt. Go
at once."
"--better add six more jiggers of honey," Martin was heard to add
contemplatively into the mike. "And then send it over immediately."
end quote.
Talk about your weapons of mass disruption... :)
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Kay Shapero
spam...@skyefire.org says...
>
> So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
> are there?
There's the titular substance of Tom Smith's song "307 Ale"... (See
http://www.ovff.org/pegasus/songs/307-ale.html )
Mike Van Pelt
nerve-jarring concotions to annoy drinkers, and they've
showed up in at least one of his collaborations. (I think
it was "Dreampark".)
Tequila Mockingbird: Jose Cuerva and Thunderbird
Black Samurai: Saki and soy sauce
There were a couple of others.
(A quick google shows some other drinks (legit?) by
these names.)
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Mark Blunden
> And, of course, Douglas Adams provides several contenders in HHGG,
> from the infamous Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster to the brand (Ol' Janx
> Spirit?) that was the centerpiece of a telekinetic drinking game b/c
> it reduced telekinetic abilities.
Not to mention the myriad variations upon Gin and Tonics, from one that is
merely water served just above room temperature, to another that kills
rhinos at fifty paces.
If we could stray into fantasy works, Terry Pratchett's Discworld features a
few.
Widdershins wine, made from reannual grapes, provides its effects backwards
in time, so you know you have a night of heavy drinking ahead of you if you
wake up with a throbbing hangunder.
Klatchian coffee is served in very small cups, and serves well as an
antidote to excessive drinking, but beware overindulgence, as too much will
leave you knurd.
And of course, there's Scumble, a Ramtops drink made from apples (well,
mostly apples) which also comes in handy for cleaning spoons - or, if it's a
particularly good batch, dissolving them. Just don't get it near water.
--
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Jens Kilian
> One of the Stainless Steel Rat stories has Panther Sweat: "I could
> feel it doing me harm." (Post nuptial drink.)
Syrian Panther Sweat, specifically.
> One of Spider Robinson's Callaghan's Bar stories has "Tiger Breath",
> the worst whiskey in the world. When the chirality of its molecules
> is reversed it's the best whiskey in the world.
IIRC, in Zelazny's _Doorways in the Sand_, the protagonist undergoes
a chirality inversion, and bad drinks suddenly acquire strange and
delicious flavors.
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> Joe Bednorz <inv...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> > One of the Stainless Steel Rat stories has Panther Sweat: "I could
> > feel it doing me harm." (Post nuptial drink.)
>
> Syrian Panther Sweat, specifically.
Also, the first book featured "ersatz Terran brandy", which hadn't been
within [some large distance] of Earth.
Which was somewhat odd, as in the next book Earth (or "Dirt") was
competely legendary.
Brion K. Lienhart
> David McMillan wrote:
>
>> And, of course, Douglas Adams provides several contenders in HHGG,
>> from the infamous Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster to the brand (Ol' Janx
>> Spirit?) that was the centerpiece of a telekinetic drinking game b/c
>> it reduced telekinetic abilities.
>
> Not to mention the myriad variations upon Gin and Tonics, from one that is
> merely water served just above room temperature, to another that kills
> rhinos at fifty paces.
>
> If we could stray into fantasy works, Terry Pratchett's Discworld features a
> few.
In _Thud!_ the Girl's Night Out swings by Biers and the amusing
cocktails include Neck Bolt and Kick in the Fork.
Keith Wetzel AKA Space Cadet
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:17:14 -0400, David McMillan
>
> > So, if we're looking for Weirdest Drink In SF, what other contenders
>
> Whatever Scotty last found on TOS, when all he knew is that it was
> green.
>
Scotty's drink of choice was 'Saurian Brandy', no details of where it
came from or what it was made of
Just my $0.02
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space based civilization. Everything else are details.
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