A Revelation...
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us with a
revelation:
Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman. In
19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase of the
way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
generation!
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Dan Goodman
>
>
> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
> with a revelation:
>
> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>
> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
> generation!
Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
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Lynn McGuire
>> with a revelation:
>>
>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>>
>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
>> generation!
>
> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
Lynn
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
>>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
>>> with a revelation:
>>>
>>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>>>
>>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
>>> generation!
>>
>> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
I'm on it.
>
> And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
Niven and Pournelle did that ages ago.
>
> Lynn
Mike Schilling
"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:i85v57$606$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 10/1/10 7:38 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>>
>> And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
>
> Niven and Pournelle did that ages ago.
But they weren't real angels -- they were hippie-bashing strawmen.
David Johnston
wrote:
>Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
>> with a revelation:
>>
>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>>
>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
>> generation!
>
>Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
A zombie or a vampire would be a good candidate to be immured by a
conspiracy and come back to get revenge on their unsuspecting asses.
Kay Shapero
sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
> On 10/1/10 7:38 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
> >>> with a revelation:
> >>>
> >>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
> >>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
> >>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
> >>> generation!
> >>
> >> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
>
> I'm on it.
>
> >
> > And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
>
> Niven and Pournelle did that ages ago.
>
Ah, but did they do fallen zombie vampire unicorn angels?
Oh, look, it's 1:20 am. Whoops... g'night!
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> In article<i85v57$606$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
>> On 10/1/10 7:38 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
>>>>> with a revelation:
>>>>>
>>>>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>>>>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>>>>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
>>>>> generation!
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
>>
>> I'm on it.
>>
>>>
>>> And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
>>
>> Niven and Pournelle did that ages ago.
>>
>
> Ah, but did they do fallen zombie vampire unicorn angels?
>
Fallen zombie vampire unicorn one-winged angelic telepathic treeponies?
Michael Ikeda
news:i87829$f7u$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
How about a unicorn pegasus kitten ridden by a warrior wearing a
clown-face t-shirt?
No, no one would do something THAT weird... :-)
David DeLaney
>Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
>> with a revelation:
>>
>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>>
>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
>> generation!
>
>Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
Would you accept faeries, unicorns, and pyramidal monolithic computers?
Dave
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Kay Shapero
sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
PeterM
> In article <i87829$f7...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
>
> > On 10/2/10 4:22 AM, Kay Shapero wrote:
> > > Ah, but did they do fallen zombie vampire unicorn angels?
>
> > Fallen zombie vampire unicorn one-winged angelic telepathic treeponies?
>
> Oh, did I forget the pirates?
GIANT talking monkey pirates? I'm still waiting for them.
And there's always ninjas. Pesky ninjas.
Juho Julkunen
k...@invalid.net says...
Doesn't it already have pirates?
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> > seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
> >> On 10/1/10 7:38 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>>>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
> >>>>> with a revelation:
>
> >>>>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
> >>>>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
> >>>>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>
> >>>>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
> >>>>> generation!
>
> >>>> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
>
> >> I'm on it.
>
> >>> And don't forget to add the latest fad, fallen angels.
>
> >> Niven and Pournelle did that ages ago.
>
> > Ah, but did they do fallen zombie vampire unicorn angels?
>
> Fallen zombie vampire unicorn one-winged angelic telepathic treeponies?
From Mars?
When last the time something came from there anyways?
Robert Carnegie
> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us with a
> revelation:
>
> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman. In
> 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase of the
> way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>
> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
> generation!
If you had some weird desire to do so.
But how distinct is he as Batman from The Crow, or Spider-Man, or even
Swamp Thing, as far as "revenge on those who did you wrong" goes?
Budget, I suppose.
Oh, and, to taste, I vaguely recall from the movie, he has Catwoman,
or Talia al Ghul, or Felicia Hardy along with him.
You're also ruling out Odysseus and Aladdin, presumably.
PeterM
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
> > On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us with a
> > revelation:
>
> > Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman. In
> > 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase of the
> > way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
>
> > Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to the current
> > generation!
>
> If you had some weird desire to do so.
The current generation reads it. Occasionally. Usually when it's
the only book from their reading list that we have in, but sometimes
voluntarily.
> But how distinct is he as Batman from The Crow, or Spider-Man, or even
> Swamp Thing, as far as "revenge on those who did you wrong" goes?
> Budget, I suppose.
I wouldn't classify Spider-Man as out for revenge. Unless you
mean only immediately after his uncle Ben died. The vast
majority of his career has been about helping people because
he has the power to do so.
Batman used to be like that, too. I preferred the version that
caught up with Joe Chill early on but kept on putting on the
tights because he didn't want what happened to him to happen
to anyone else. Then Zero Hour came along and all of a sudden
he'd never caught Chill, and he was going out there every night
still looking for the man who killed his family. Bah.
Of course, Zero Hour was at least fifteen years ago. I'd
be pleasantly surprised if they'd changed Bats back to the
way I prefer him.
William December Starr
"Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> said:
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>> Either way, THIS is a perfect way to sell that book to
>> the current generation!
>
> Don't forget to add zombies, vampires and unicorns.
Unizombivamps.
-- wds (or possibly zomvampicorns)
Robert Carnegie
Probably not. He's dead.
However, I think a story called "The Return of Bruce Wayne" is now
printing - as you probably expected.
I agree with you that looking for the murderer of his parents wasn't
the point of Batman. Otherwise, going on missions to the Middle East
or to outer space would be casting around rather wildly.
PeterM
> On Oct 4, 5:00 am, PeterM <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Of course, Zero Hour was at least fifteen years ago. I'd
> > be pleasantly surprised if they'd changed Bats back to the
> > way I prefer him.
>
> Probably not. He's dead.
Like hell he is. But I have to say, every time I hear
details of what the comics are like now, I regret giving
up on them less and less.
> However, I think a story called "The Return of Bruce Wayne" is now
> printing - as you probably expected.
Yep. Is Captain America still dead? I don't know if I
hope he is or isn't.
> I agree with you that looking for the murderer of his parents wasn't
> the point of Batman. Otherwise, going on missions to the Middle East
> or to outer space would be casting around rather wildly.
Hey, you never know.
DouhetSukd
> On Oct 5, 3:51 am, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 4, 5:00 am, PeterM <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Of course, Zero Hour was at least fifteen years ago. I'd
> > > be pleasantly surprised if they'd changed Bats back to the
> > > way I prefer him.
>
> > Probably not. He's dead.
>
> Like hell he is. But I have to say, every time I hear
> details of what the comics are like now, I regret giving
> up on them less and less.
>
Uh, uh. YMMV but I'm not sure they were ever that great to start with.
30 yrs back, I recall that every other issue was "Spidey's toughest
battle ever!!!! Will he survive???"
Just like Cosmo runs "Our hottest sex issue ever!" every other month
nowadays.
The amazing thing is how expensive they are now considering their
quality and size. They used to be $0.25 and I am pretty sure
paperbacks were around $1.50 at that time.
David Johnston
<peterme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 5, 3:51 am, Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 5:00 am, PeterM <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Of course, Zero Hour was at least fifteen years ago. I'd
>> > be pleasantly surprised if they'd changed Bats back to the
>> > way I prefer him.
>>
>> Probably not. He's dead.
>
>Like hell he is. But I have to say, every time I hear
>details of what the comics are like now, I regret giving
>up on them less and less.
>
>> However, I think a story called "The Return of Bruce Wayne" is now
>> printing - as you probably expected.
>
>Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
Robert Carnegie
The quality of paper and printing is much better than it used to be.
But mostly I think it's them overpaid comics writers. :-) J. Michael
Straczynski and Joss Whedon are just two of the names who have moved
over from television production to where the /big/ money is.
(Likewise Jonathan Ross and Frankie Boyle... their work appearing in
new, /very/ carefully printed magazine, CLINT.)
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> On Oct 5, 7:43 pm, PeterM<petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 3:51 am, Robert Carnegie<rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 4, 5:00 am, PeterM<petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Of course, Zero Hour was at least fifteen years ago. I'd
>>>> be pleasantly surprised if they'd changed Bats back to the
>>>> way I prefer him.
>>
>>> Probably not. He's dead.
>>
>> Like hell he is. But I have to say, every time I hear
>> details of what the comics are like now, I regret giving
>> up on them less and less.
>>
>
> Uh, uh. YMMV but I'm not sure they were ever that great to start with.
>
> 30 yrs back, I recall that every other issue was "Spidey's toughest
> battle ever!!!! Will he survive???"
Walt Simonson's run on Thor began almost 30 years ago (Holy Jebus,
1983...), and remains my gold standard for GREAT comics.
Kurt Busiek
Both JMS and Whedon are still working in Hollywood, and get paid much
less to write comics than to write TV or movies. They do it because
it's fun, and sometimes because it generates new material they own the
media rights to.
The real culprit behind rising comics prices is that sales are much
lower than they used to be back in the days when X-MEN was canceled
(for selling at a level that would make the bestselling book in the
field by a large margin today), and production costs are much higher,
so economy of scale demands a higher unit price.
> (Likewise Jonathan Ross and Frankie Boyle... their work appearing in
> new, /very/ carefully printed magazine, CLINT.)
Actually, the Ross series in CLINT is being reprinted from its run at
Image, and typically Image books are self-financed by the creators. I
don't think Ross was paid a dime to write TURF -- he's well-paid enough
in his other endeavors not to care, though. Rumors are that he's
already made or is making a movie-rights deal with Matthew Vaughn, who
directed KICK-ASS and STARDUST.
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David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
> PeterM <peterme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
>
> Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
So what happened to Nick Fury?
-- wds
David DeLaney
>David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
>> PeterM <peterme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
>>
>> Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
>
>So what happened to Nick Fury?
Wait, let me guess:
... they found out that for the last 37 years he's actually been a Life Model
Decoy?
Lynn McGuire
Uh, no. Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is
directing "Captain America" and will be directing "The Avengers"
next.
Lynn
Kurt Busiek
No. Your point is correct in that he hasn't "moved over" from movies/TV
to comics, he works in both fields.
But he hasn't directed WONDER WOMAN and isn't directing CAPTAIN AMERICA.
He was attached to a WONDER WOMAN movie for a while, but walked away
from it at least three years ago -- the movie's still in development,
with different writers and no director set yet.
Joe Johnston is directing CAPTAIN AMERICA; Whedon was one of the writers on it.
He is set to write and direct THE AVENGERS, though.
Michael Stemper
With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
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:: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
: mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
: With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
Neither. Cathy Gale.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
Kay Shapero
> :: Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is directing "Captain
> :: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
>
> : mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> : With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
>
> Neither. Cathy Gale.
>
Avengers Assemble!
Waitamminnite! Who's the guy in the spiffy suit and the lady in
leather? :)
Michael Stemper
>: mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>:: Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is directing "Captain
>:: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
>
>: With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
>
>Neither. Cathy Gale.
Wow. I never knew that Peel had a predecessor. Thanks.
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Stemper) said:
> In article <12864...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
>> : mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>
>> :: Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is directing "Captain
>> :: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
>>
>> : With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
>>
>> Neither. Cathy Gale.
>
> Wow. I never knew that Peel had a predecessor. Thanks.
Heck, Steed was the original sidekick. Cathy Gale was the second, after
the initial star (Ian Hendry, playing Dr. David Keel) left, and Steed
got promoted.
Wayne Throop
:::: "Captain America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
::: With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
:: Neither. Cathy Gale.
: Kay Shapero <k...@invalid.net>
: Avengers Assemble!
:
: Waitamminnite! Who's the guy in the spiffy suit and the lady in
: leather? :)
"Extraordinary supervillilany against the people and the state
must be avenged by superheroes extraordinary..."
Hm. Somhow lacks the punch of "Avengers assemble!".
Kurt Busiek
> In article <12864...@sheol.org>, thr...@sheol.org says...
>> :: Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is directing "Captain
>> :: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
>>
>> : mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
>> : With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
>>
>> Neither. Cathy Gale.
>>
> Grin...
>
> Avengers Assemble!
>
> Waitamminnite! Who's the guy in the spiffy suit and the lady in
> leather? :)
Edwin Jarvis and the Black Widow, of course!
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ericthetolle
> >>> Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
>
> >> Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
>
> >So what happened to Nick Fury?
>
> Wait, let me guess:
>
> ... they found out that for the last 37 years he's actually been a Life Model
> Decoy?
That would explain why he hasn't aged at all, wouldn't it?
They also found out that he's really Samuel L. Jackson.
Eric Tolle
DouhetSukd
>
> The real culprit behind rising comics prices is that sales are much
> lower than they used to be back in the days when X-MEN was canceled
> (for selling at a level that would make the bestselling book in the
> field by a large margin today), and production costs are much higher,
> so economy of scale demands a higher unit price.
>
Sad that our vaunted digitalized media revolution and capacity to
print books on demands is so obviously stymied by these trends. Must
have been a lot cheaper back in the days, for sure. Strangely,
whereas I would see 50-60 comics out a month 30 yrs ago, there are
hundreds now. Not much better quality, no. Obviously, the poor folk
who create comics at a loss for us can't afford any better at $4-5 a
pop.
FWIW, check out the quality of European graphic novels. They are way
more expensive, easily $20-30, IIRC, but the binding, paper and ink
quality are way better. Not to mention the number and size of pages.
Plot, art and story wise, let's say that the Watchmen are easily at a
level with the best Euro comics. However, mid-range Euro comics are
above NA mid-range in terms of physical product quality and require a
lot more time to write as well.
Francois Bourgeon for example, is renowned for taking years to
complete each book. Not quite the "toughest battle ever" every other
month that is being cranked out by Marvel.
Bottom line, Euro novels are pricey, but I don't perceive them as a
rip-off. I am however amazed that my daughter's Archies go for $3-5
and sell at that price.
T Guy
wrote:
> In article <1286473...@sheol.org>, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) writes:
> >: mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
> >:: Whedon just finished directing "Wonder Woman", is directing "Captain
> >:: America" and will be directing "The Avengers" next.
>
> >: With Emma Peel or with Tara King?
>
> >Neither. Cathy Gale.
>
> Wow. I never knew that Peel had a predecessor. Thanks.
More. Cathy Gale had a predecessor. In fact, more than one: David
Keel, Martin King and Venus Smith.
Kurt Busiek
> On Oct 6, 9:04 am, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>
>> The real culprit behind rising comics prices is that sales are much
>> lower than they used to be back in the days when X-MEN was canceled
>> (for selling at a level that would make the bestselling book in the
>> field by a large margin today), and production costs are much higher,
>> so economy of scale demands a higher unit price.
>
> Sad that our vaunted digitalized media revolution and capacity to
> print books on demands is so obviously stymied by these trends. Must
> have been a lot cheaper back in the days, for sure.
Oh yeah. Newsprint was much cheaper (it isn't any more, so no price
savings there) and a print run of 3-400,000 gets a much, much lower
unit cost.
Comics really did themselves in on pricing in the late 1940s, when they
stopped competing head to head with other magazines and cut pages to
keep the price at a dime, thus marginalizing the format. But the real
effects of that didn't become critical until the 1970s, and ultimately
led to where we are now.
> Strangely,
> whereas I would see 50-60 comics out a month 30 yrs ago, there are
> hundreds now.
There are indeed. The direct market made it possible for more
publishers to do okay at lower sales levels, but none of 'em can afford
the kind of prices a healthy (or even once-healthy-but-sliding)
newsstand market made possible.
> FWIW, check out the quality of European graphic novels.
This is my field, Douhet. I've been paying attention to European album
comics for decades. I even wrote two albums, for Humanoids.
> Bottom line, Euro novels are pricey, but I don't perceive them as a
> rip-off.
Most American comics buyers do, though. The reason that format's never
been able to get a real foothold over here is that charging $16-20 for
44-46 pages, even oversized pages, is perceived as ridiculously
expensive.
When they publish them at the European size, they fail. When they try
to shrink 'em to American GN size, they fail harder, because they look
bad shrunk down. What some publishers are trying is to do compilations
-- Dark Horse recently did a BLACKSAD collection that was three album's
worth in one substantial hardcover for $30, which is more in line with
US prices for similar formats, and it's a gorgeous, gorgeous book. IDW
did a similar volume of Abuli & Bernet's TORPEDO that I haven't seen,
because I have earlier reprints, but I'd bet it looks great.
I don't know how BLACKSAD selling for Dark Horse, but it's a
substantial, satisfying book that feels like value for money. I'd love
it if someone would do the same for LES LUMIERES DE L'AMALOU or PIN-UP.
Or some good translations of CORTO MALTESE, at long last -- the only
English translations I've seen are lousy.
> I am however amazed that my daughter's Archies go for $3-5
> and sell at that price.
And even at that price, they're a substantially lower price per page
than the European albums.
T Guy
> William December Starr <wdst...@panix.com> wrote:
> >So what happened to Nick Fury?
>
> Wait, let me guess:
>
> ... they found out that for the last 37 years he's actually been a Life Model
> Decoy?
They've all been LMDs since Jack Kirby left.
T Guy
> Batman used to be like that, too. I preferred the version that
> caught up with Joe Chill early on but kept on putting on the
> tights because he didn't want what happened to him to happen
> to anyone else. Then Zero Hour came along and all of a sudden
> he'd never caught Chill, and he was going out there every night
> still looking for the man who killed his family. Bah.
Bah indeed.
The original version of the origin is very specific in its lack of
specific revenge.
'I swear to avenge the spirits of my parents by waging war on all
criminals.'
Michael Stemper
What's doubly amusing is that, back when the network first ran promos
for this new (to the US) series, I thought that it was going to be
about some comic book super-heros.
I was really disappointed when I saw my first episode. For about ten
minutes, after which time I'd fallen under the spell of the lovely and
enchanting Ms. Rigg.
--
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In recent issues I've seen (i.e., from the last ten years), that's
been reformulated to, "I fight crime because I don't want any other
innocents to go through what I suffered."
I'm good with that version.
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T Guy
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT), T Guy
>
>
>
> <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> wrote:
> >On 4 Oct, 05:00, PeterM <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Batman used to be like that, too. I preferred the version that
> >> caught up with Joe Chill early on but kept on putting on the
> >> tights because he didn't want what happened to him to happen
> >> to anyone else. Then Zero Hour came along and all of a sudden
> >> he'd never caught Chill, and he was going out there every night
> >> still looking for the man who killed his family. Bah.
>
> >Bah indeed.
>
> >The original version of the origin is very specific in its lack of
> >specific revenge.
>
> >'I swear to avenge the spirits of my parents by waging war on all
> >criminals.'
>
> In recent issues I've seen (i.e., from the last ten years), that's
> been reformulated to, "I fight crime because I don't want any other
> innocents to go through what I suffered."
>
> I'm good with that version.
Yes, I'd go along with that formulation, because it brings out the
sweet, caring side of Batman. However, I'd run it in tandem with the
original version... maybe with Batman doing the avengeance swearing
and Bruce Wayne talking about innocent people at meetings of the
Victims, Inc. Program.
T Guy
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 19:43:45 -0700 (PDT), PeterM
> <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
>
> Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
In the Panini U. K. editions I follow, Fury's old job is occupied by
Norman Osborn. Good to see my prediction that this would not turn out
well is vindicated.
I hope that his ID/swipe card identifies him as Supreme Headquarters
Interim Enforcement of Law Director.
T Guy
> He was attached to a WONDER WOMAN movie for a while, but walked away
> from it at least three years ago -- the movie's still in development,
> with different writers and no director set yet.
I am not getting my hopes up that the creators will go for the
Sekowsky version... with Diana Rigg as Hippolyte.
Kurt Busiek
No, I wouldn't think there's much chance of that. I'd enjoy a movie
based on those comics, but I wouldn't call it Wonder Woman.
I don't think Rigg would be very good as Sekowsky's Hippolyta, either.
kdb
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Rigg would be good in anything. Seriously. She'd be good even if she was
playing Stanley Kowalski.
Norm D. Plumber
People buy bargains, and people work hardest when they're making more
than it costs them to live, the idiots want to get something out of
the deal, go figure.
The rest works itself out. Corporations maximize profits, executives
maximize their own pay. Maximizing profits involves raising prices
until the product is no longer a bargain.
The good times can only be squeezed so dry, over the past few decades
it has been costly to live in the US and the Chinese have been selling
bargains, poor squinty-eyed yellow idiots, forced to suffer the
problems of the world's fastest growing economy.
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What is trumps what should be, and what we expect, every time.
Norm D. Plumber
Robert Carnegie
Well, ever since Tony Stark built 'em an Intensely Masculine Image
Inducer.
I think "Ultimate" Marvel comics were "casting" Nick Fury that way
long before Mr. Jackson appeared in their movies. But now I think non-
Ultimate stories that are movie tie-ins also have that.
I do not know how this relates to the usual "minor character in the
comic adaption of the movie looks not at all like the actor", which I
believe we /used/ to get, intentionally, because the adapter didn't
buy the right to use the actor's likeness - maybe in turn because the
movie didn't "own" that either.
Most likely they just tightened that up a lot, in case Guy In Elevator
becomes the hit character and is the star in the sequel.
Greg Goss
>Most likely they just tightened that up a lot, in case Guy In Elevator
>becomes the hit character and is the star in the sequel.
In the movie for "Clear and Present Danger", the script writers though
that they had a "guy in elevator" character and totally reworked him.
The author actually had that character as a major player and hated the
movie and, as a result, the movie production company and the six-movie
contract he had.
In subsequent novels, he continued to develop that characther where HE
wanted him to go, and made at least two novels with him as the key
character. (Rainbow Six is careful to never mention the name of "your
friend the President" so that the novel isn't included in the Ryan
movies contract."
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Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Brian Palmer
>>Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>> On my LJ friendslist, one of my friends has just enlightened us
>>> with a revelation:
>>>
>>> Edmond Dantes, the Count of Monte Cristo, is The Goddamn Batman.
>>> In 19th Century France. Or maybe The Xanatos Goddamn Batman becuase
>>> of the way he uses multilayered plots in his revenge.
> A zombie or a vampire would be a good candidate to be immured by a
> conspiracy and come back to get revenge on their unsuspecting asses.
In the novel, the book goes to some lengths to draw comparisons
between Edmond Dantes and Lord Ruthven, one of the more prominent
vampires of the time.
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Robert Carnegie
> ericthetolle wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 8:54 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> > > William December Starr <wdst...@panix.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
> > > >> PeterM <petermeilin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Yep. Is Captain America still dead?
> > >
> > > >> Not dead. Not Captain America either. Got Nick Fury's old job.
> > >
> > > >So what happened to Nick Fury?
> > >
> > > Wait, let me guess:
> > >
> > > ... they found out that for the last 37 years he's actually been a Life Model
> > > Decoy?
> >
> > That would explain why he hasn't aged at all, wouldn't it?
> >
> > They also found out that he's really Samuel L. Jackson.
>
> Well, ever since Tony Stark built 'em an Intensely Masculine Image
> Inducer.
>
> I think "Ultimate" Marvel comics were "casting" Nick Fury that way
> long before Mr. Jackson appeared in their movies. But now I think non-
> Ultimate stories that are movie tie-ins also have that.
And have just seen an _Ultimate Mystery_ issue where "Samuel L.
Jackson" Nick Fury is disguised, apparently by random whim, as Regular
Marvel Universe Nick Fury.
Unless he really looked like that all along, and Samuel L. Jackson was
the disguise. (But I think Ultimate Fury is the original, black
experiment subject for the Captain America magic potion, or
something?)
I'm guessing "not artist error" this time because there's some
discussion between characters of his choice of look, but I don't rule
it out. If it's Marvel, they tend to write dialogue /after/ they see
how the pictures came out.