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Al Lal
May 5, 2012, 9:04:10 AM5/5/12
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The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
mean that we should be manic depressive?
Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
Al Lal
Consultant
Business Intelligence
a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
mean that we should be manic depressive?
Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
Al Lal
Consultant
Business Intelligence
Howard Brazee
May 5, 2012, 10:01:19 AM5/5/12
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On Sat, 5 May 2012 06:04:10 -0700 (PDT), Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>mean that we should be manic depressive?
My knowledge of myths must be limited.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
wrote:
>The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>mean that we should be manic depressive?
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
alie...@gmail.com
May 5, 2012, 5:50:10 PM5/5/12
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On May 5, 6:04 am, Al Lal <alal112...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
> mean that we should be manic depressive?
Don't know that particular myth. Source?
> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
> mean that we should be manic depressive?
> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
conventions to express themselves in "accepted" forms, often
restricting what they can say. Mold-breakers generally have a hard
time being accepted.
Scientists also have something to say but generally agree on how to
say it.
Both are generally unhappy until they express whatever it is they
wanted to say and both are generally unsatisfied with the results.
Artists have to decide when to stop, and scientists know there's more
yet to be said...
Both must be possessed of the egotistical belief they *can* express
what they have to say *and* the understanding that they can't grasp
everything clearly enough to express it with finality.
I'm happy with that.
What, particularly, saddens you?
Mark L. Fergerson
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 5, 2012, 6:20:47 PM5/5/12
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On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
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Howard Brazee
May 5, 2012, 8:03:15 PM5/5/12
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On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>
>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>
> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>
>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>
> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
depressed.
David DeLaney
May 5, 2012, 8:31:15 PM5/5/12
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Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>mean that we should be manic depressive?
Nah, it just means artists get paid crap, while scientists usually earn
>The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>mean that we should be manic depressive?
better than minimum wage. The rest follows.
Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Kip Williams
May 5, 2012, 11:17:10 PM5/5/12
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>>
>>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>>
>> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>
> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
> depressed.
I love life, and life loves me.
> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>>
>>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>>
>> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>
> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
> depressed.
I'm as happy as can be.
A happier man nowhere exists.
I think I'll go and cut my wrists.
Kip W, quoting
rasfw
Al Lal
May 6, 2012, 8:55:25 AM5/6/12
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that businesses and government tell and the secrets they keep.
More personally, I have artrithis, which prevents me from working
hard, travelling, and enjoying sports.
Al Lal
Al Lal
May 6, 2012, 9:02:10 AM5/6/12
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On May 6, 5:03 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>
> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>
> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>
> >> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
> >> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
> >> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>
> > I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>
> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
> depressed.
Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
> >On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>
> >> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
> >> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
> >> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>
> > I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>
> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
> depressed.
population, and report it regularly. I believe that there are already
some global surveys of happiness. I wonder how USA and India do.
Al Lal
A.G.McDowell
May 6, 2012, 10:22:14 AM5/6/12
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pretty happy, my main problem begin the number of non-science subjects I
was required to study. These days I'd say that I'm moderately
dissatisified, and would probably be moderately dissatisified in a large
number of different circumstances, once I had time to adapt to them. I
suspect that neither being clinically depressed nor being permananently
blissed out is a survival factor.
I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
Howard Brazee
May 6, 2012, 10:55:17 AM5/6/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 05:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>What saddens me is ignorance of the general population, and the lies
>that businesses and government tell and the secrets they keep.
While I want very, very high standards for the state to define
anything as secret (and high standards for businesses to do so) - I
note that ignorance is popular even when the facts are available.
And especially when the facts aren't what people want to learn.
wrote:
>What saddens me is ignorance of the general population, and the lies
>that businesses and government tell and the secrets they keep.
anything as secret (and high standards for businesses to do so) - I
note that ignorance is popular even when the facts are available.
And especially when the facts aren't what people want to learn.
Howard Brazee
May 6, 2012, 10:57:18 AM5/6/12
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On Sun, 6 May 2012 06:02:10 -0700 (PDT), Al Lal <alal1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
>> depressed.
>
>
>Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>population, and report it regularly. I believe that there are already
>some global surveys of happiness. I wonder how USA and India do.
There are such surveys that we can Google.
I like the studies that give people some money (even very small
amounts), and then either have them spend the money on themselves or
spend it on others. The follow-ups show that giving money to
others makes them happier. Statistically, the only exception was in
The Central African Republic.
wrote:
>> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
>> depressed.
>
>
>Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>population, and report it regularly. I believe that there are already
>some global surveys of happiness. I wonder how USA and India do.
I like the studies that give people some money (even very small
amounts), and then either have them spend the money on themselves or
spend it on others. The follow-ups show that giving money to
others makes them happier. Statistically, the only exception was in
The Central African Republic.
Robert A. Woodward
May 6, 2012, 12:07:57 PM5/6/12
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In article <jo61ef$c0r$1...@dont-email.me>,
I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
(concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
biologists.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
"A.G.McDowell" <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
> > The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
> > a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
> > science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
> > mean that we should be manic depressive?
> >
<SNIP>
> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
> > The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
> > a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
> > science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
> > mean that we should be manic depressive?
> >
>
> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
I don't remember that comment by LMB, where did she do this?
> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
(concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
biologists.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
A.G.McDowell
May 6, 2012, 12:45:12 PM5/6/12
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On 06/05/2012 17:07, Robert A. Woodward wrote:
> In article<jo61ef$c0r$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "A.G.McDowell"<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
>>> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>>> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>>> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>>> mean that we should be manic depressive?
>>>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
>> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
>> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
>> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
>> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
>
> I don't remember that comment by LMB, where did she do this?
I was intentionally vague because I wasn't sure where, and it is never
> In article<jo61ef$c0r$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "A.G.McDowell"<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
>>> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>>> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>>> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>>> mean that we should be manic depressive?
>>>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
>> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
>> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
>> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
>> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
>
> I don't remember that comment by LMB, where did she do this?
wise to trust my memory, however after only one false start I point to
the following dialogue in "Komarr", when Dr Riva is being interrogated
under fast-penta, just before Miles works out what is going on...
"Could be prizes and academic preferment, when it's all sorted out at last."
"Oh, better than that," she assured him. "New physics only come along
once in a lifetime, and usually you're too young or too old."
"Strange, I've heard military careerists make the same complaint..."
>
> I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
> (concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
> to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
> biologists.
>
to learn all the stuff you need to know before you can use your talent.
The first time I heard this commented was with reference to Andrew
Wiles' proof of Fermat's last theorem, at the age of 40.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 6, 2012, 12:57:50 PM5/6/12
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In article <robertaw-AA0EDF...@news.individual.net>,
That footnote needs a footnote reading "in the majority of
cases." Right off the top of my head I think of that elderly
physicist, Luis Alvarez.
Wasn't it Asimov who said major scientific breakthroughs are
heralded not by "Eureka!" but by "That's funny ...." ?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
cases." Right off the top of my head I think of that elderly
physicist, Luis Alvarez.
Wasn't it Asimov who said major scientific breakthroughs are
heralded not by "Eureka!" but by "That's funny ...." ?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
JRStern
May 6, 2012, 2:07:11 PM5/6/12
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made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
get to live on it for a generation.
I wonder if it was ever valid, if it's still valid that older
scientists generally fall behind. A lot of the enthusiasm of youth is
just that, not actual values. With age, yeah, the ability to get
enthusiastic over reinventing the wheel may indeed decline.
J.
alie...@gmail.com
May 6, 2012, 5:02:40 PM5/6/12
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> What saddens me is ignorance of the general population, and the lies
> that businesses and government tell and the secrets they keep.
The internet is on the way to curing that. Don't believe it? Look at
> that businesses and government tell and the secrets they keep.
the number of governments and corporations trying to control it.
> More personally, I have artrithis, which prevents me from working
> hard, travelling, and enjoying sports.
mostly (hands and leg joints mainly affected). Sometimes, when the
weather is changing rapidly, I have to supplement with aspirin or, um,
hemp. I have what's euphemistically called a "light industrial" job,
meaning I'm not expected to lift anything over 75 lbs on a regular
basis. For being 59 I hold my own against the largely 20-something
other employees very well.
Apparently the drug is OTC in few places other than in the U. S.; I
hope it is where you live.
Mark L. Fergerson
Howard Brazee
May 6, 2012, 5:26:54 PM5/6/12
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On Sun, 06 May 2012 11:07:11 -0700, JRStern <JRS...@foobar.invalid>
wrote:
>>I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
>>(concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
>>to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
>>biologists.
>
>Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
>made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
>get to live on it for a generation.
>
>I wonder if it was ever valid, if it's still valid that older
>scientists generally fall behind. A lot of the enthusiasm of youth is
>just that, not actual values. With age, yeah, the ability to get
>enthusiastic over reinventing the wheel may indeed decline.
Certainly we quote works from authors who are decades older than their
first works. But good writing is more about good skills than it is
about having eureka moments.
wrote:
>>I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
>>(concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
>>to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
>>biologists.
>
>Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
>made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
>get to live on it for a generation.
>
>I wonder if it was ever valid, if it's still valid that older
>scientists generally fall behind. A lot of the enthusiasm of youth is
>just that, not actual values. With age, yeah, the ability to get
>enthusiastic over reinventing the wheel may indeed decline.
first works. But good writing is more about good skills than it is
about having eureka moments.
David DeLaney
May 6, 2012, 7:33:15 PM5/6/12
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That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
David DeLaney
May 6, 2012, 7:34:02 PM5/6/12
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Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>Wasn't it Asimov who said major scientific breakthroughs are
>heralded not by "Eureka!" but by "That's funny ...." ?
Quite possibly, but I don't think we were able to track down exactly where,
>Wasn't it Asimov who said major scientific breakthroughs are
>heralded not by "Eureka!" but by "That's funny ...." ?
last time this came around on the gui-tar.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 6, 2012, 8:04:22 PM5/6/12
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In article <slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
your own home town.
(I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
(No, the first identifiable piece of SF I can *remember* reading
was Schmitz's "Space Fear," and that appeared in ASF in 1951,
so I was nine.
(And uncritical, which I think is a major factor in determining
one's golden age. One has maximum goshwow and knows a minimum of
science.)
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>A.G.McDowell <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>
>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>A.G.McDowell <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>
>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
your own home town.
(I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
(No, the first identifiable piece of SF I can *remember* reading
was Schmitz's "Space Fear," and that appeared in ASF in 1951,
so I was nine.
(And uncritical, which I think is a major factor in determining
one's golden age. One has maximum goshwow and knows a minimum of
science.)
Robert Carnegie
May 6, 2012, 8:42:13 PM5/6/12
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_%28book%29
that it takes 10,000 hours to get good at any thing -
although that's practice, not study exactly.
Apparently the word "doctor" doesn't appear in
the article.
Bill Swears
May 7, 2012, 12:46:32 AM5/7/12
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body ran out. Now my mood is set by back-pain and stomachaches. I
don't know what to think...
Bill
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May 7, 2012, 2:27:57 AM5/7/12
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On 2012-05-06 14:07:11 -0400, JRStern said:
> On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:07:57 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
> <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <jo61ef$c0r$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
>>>> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>>>> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>>>> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>>>> mean that we should be manic depressive?
>>>>
>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
>>> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
>>> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
>>> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
>>> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
>>
>> I don't remember that comment by LMB, where did she do this?
>>
>> I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
>> (concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
>> to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
>> biologists.
>
> Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
> made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
> get to live on it for a generation.
No.
> On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:07:57 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
> <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <jo61ef$c0r$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/05/2012 14:04, Al Lal wrote:
>>>> The myth is that artists are sad, while scientists are happy. This is
>>>> a generalization that is probably an over simplification. I like both
>>>> science and art, as is probably the case for many of you. Does that
>>>> mean that we should be manic depressive?
>>>>
>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that C.P.Snow claimed that middle-aged scientists
>>> were unhappy, as they started to fall behind against younger
>>> competitors. OTOH a lot depends on the state of the subject - Lois
>>> McMaster Bujold compared the plight of a scientist in a plateau-ing
>>> subject to that of a great general hampered by the lack of a war to fight.
>>
>> I don't remember that comment by LMB, where did she do this?
>>
>> I have seen a footnote (by AWC) to Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
>> (concerning elderly scientists). IIRC, the footnote defined elderly
>> to be over 25 for mathematicians, 30 for physicists, and 35 for
>> biologists.
>
> Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
> made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
> get to live on it for a generation.
Martha Grimes and R.A. Lafferty didn't publish any fiction until they
were in their fifties, to name just the first two who come to mind. A
LOT of SF/fantasy writers (post-pulp era) didn't get started until they
were in their thirties. I'm unusual in having sold my first novel when
I was only twenty-four. Yeah, there are people like Paolini who broke
in much younger than I did, but they're a minority.
--
Now available on Amazon or B&N: One-Eyed Jack.
Greg Kraft could see ghosts. That didn't mean he could stop them...
Kay Shapero
May 7, 2012, 3:07:32 AM5/7/12
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In article <U2mpr.39810$mL3....@newsfe23.iad>, mrk...@gmail.com
says...
Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.
--
Kay Shapero quoting Dorothy Parker
http://www.kayshapero.net
Address munged, to email use kay at the above domain (everything after
the www.)
says...
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.
--
Kay Shapero quoting Dorothy Parker
http://www.kayshapero.net
Address munged, to email use kay at the above domain (everything after
the www.)
David Goldfarb
May 7, 2012, 3:28:50 AM5/7/12
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In article <M3MLJ...@kithrup.com>,
was popularized by David Hartwell, who used it as the epigraph
of his book _Age of Wonders_, but was said by a fan named Peter Graham.
(And there it was twelve.)
--
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goldf...@gmail.com | who told you some true things for your own good."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Day of the Dead"
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>A.G.McDowell <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>
>>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>
>But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
I don't recall ever seeing it attributed to Kornbluth. The quote
>David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>A.G.McDowell <andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>
>>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>
>But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
was popularized by David Hartwell, who used it as the epigraph
of his book _Age of Wonders_, but was said by a fan named Peter Graham.
(And there it was twelve.)
--
David Goldfarb |"Think of me as a brief electromagnetic anomaly
goldf...@gmail.com | who told you some true things for your own good."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Day of the Dead"
Robert Bannister
May 7, 2012, 9:23:20 PM5/7/12
to
On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
> On May 6, 5:03 am, Howard Brazee<how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>>
>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>>
>>>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>>>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>>>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>>
>>> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>>
>> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
>> depressed.
>
>
> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
> population, and report it regularly.
Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
> On May 6, 5:03 am, Howard Brazee<how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 May 2012 18:20:47 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
>>
>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/5/12 9:04 AM, Al Lal wrote:
>>
>>>> Some SF writers/readers think of themselves as artists or scientists.
>>>> I would like to hear from you, as to wether you are generally a happy
>>>> or sad person. Personally, I am a slightly sad person.
>>
>>> I'm not really a scientist or artist. I'm generally happy, though.
>>
>> I don't know how to measure how happy I am. But I don't get
>> depressed.
>
>
> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
> population, and report it regularly.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 7, 2012, 10:32:56 PM5/7/12
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start with, they would now be living off the research produced by their
students.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 7, 2012, 10:36:57 PM5/7/12
to
On 7/05/12 8:04 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>
>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>
> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>
> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
> your own home town.
>
> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>
>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>
> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>
> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
> your own home town.
>
> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them. I read
of lot of fairy stories though. Does that count?
--
Robert Bannister
Dorothy J Heydt
May 7, 2012, 11:27:31 PM5/7/12
to
In article <a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
>I read
>of lot of fairy stories though. Does that count?
Sure, that's fantasy, covered under the SF label.
Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On 7/05/12 8:04 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>
>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>
>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>>
>> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
>> your own home town.
>>
>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>
>I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
How old are you?? The first SF *novel* I read was a reprint of Ralph
>On 7/05/12 8:04 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>
>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>
>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>>
>> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
>> your own home town.
>>
>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>
>I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
>I read
>of lot of fairy stories though. Does that count?
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
May 8, 2012, 12:22:35 AM5/8/12
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seminal space opera -- was published in 1929, and it was far from the
only SF being published then. If you were 8 in 1929, that would make you
born in 1921, or you're about 91 now.
If you're any younger than that, there was OODLES of SF published by then.
>
>
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Robert Carnegie
May 8, 2012, 6:12:56 AM5/8/12
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David DeLaney
May 8, 2012, 7:02:15 AM5/8/12
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Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!
Dave "stay alert. keep your laser handy." DeLaney
ppint. at pplay
May 8, 2012, 7:38:52 AM5/8/12
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- hi; in article, <a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
rob...@bigpond.com "Robert Bannister" increduled:
a hundred and ten years old (or young), if you're a day!
- and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
in print, works written with political intent, designed
to warn against germany's increasing military might and
the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
* see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
>I read of lot of fairy stories though. Does that count?
- not in this case, i think, though there would later be
realms of fantasy that arguably do investigate worlds of
"what if?" - but fairy stories do not do this, though
they often have lessons to teach: they do not speculate
upon likely implications for people of the changed circum-
stances of the fantasy world they presume, nor set their
players problems whose solution demands their challenging
these changes and their effects.
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"What are your fees?" inquired Guyal cautiously. "I respond to three
questions," stated the augur. "For twenty terces I phrase the answer
in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant,
which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable
which you must interpret as you will; and for one terce, I babble in
an unknown tongue." "Guyal of Sfere", _The Dying Earth_- Jack Vance
rob...@bigpond.com "Robert Bannister" increduled:
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen. Maybe it's whenever
>>you start looking beyond the boundaries of your own home town.
>>(I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>
>I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne
>and Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
- good grief, you must be the great grandfather of rasfwr -
>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen. Maybe it's whenever
>>you start looking beyond the boundaries of your own home town.
>>(I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>
>I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne
>and Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
a hundred and ten years old (or young), if you're a day!
- and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
in print, works written with political intent, designed
to warn against germany's increasing military might and
the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
* see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
>I read of lot of fairy stories though. Does that count?
realms of fantasy that arguably do investigate worlds of
"what if?" - but fairy stories do not do this, though
they often have lessons to teach: they do not speculate
upon likely implications for people of the changed circum-
stances of the fantasy world they presume, nor set their
players problems whose solution demands their challenging
these changes and their effects.
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"What are your fees?" inquired Guyal cautiously. "I respond to three
questions," stated the augur. "For twenty terces I phrase the answer
in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant,
which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable
which you must interpret as you will; and for one terce, I babble in
an unknown tongue." "Guyal of Sfere", _The Dying Earth_- Jack Vance
Dorothy J Heydt
May 8, 2012, 10:52:19 AM5/8/12
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In article <20120508.113...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
/check for publication date
... 1906. Subtitled _With an Account of the Invasion of London._
I've never read it, but those who have tell me it's the kind of
doomsday screed you describe.
If I knew more than I do about the details of the *real* WWI, I
might be tempted to read it and make comparisons.
ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> - and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
> in print, works written with political intent, designed
> to warn against germany's increasing military might and
> the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
> feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
> romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
>
> * see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
I have a copy of _The Invasion of 1910,_ published ...
> - and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
> in print, works written with political intent, designed
> to warn against germany's increasing military might and
> the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
> feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
> romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
>
> * see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
/check for publication date
... 1906. Subtitled _With an Account of the Invasion of London._
I've never read it, but those who have tell me it's the kind of
doomsday screed you describe.
If I knew more than I do about the details of the *real* WWI, I
might be tempted to read it and make comparisons.
Bill Snyder
May 8, 2012, 1:00:21 PM5/8/12
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On Tue, 8 May 2012 12:54:54 -0400, Lawrence Watt-Evans
<l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-05-08 07:38:52 -0400, ppint. at pplay said:
>
>> - hi; in article, <a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
>> rob...@bigpond.com "Robert Bannister" increduled:
>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen. Maybe it's whenever
>>>> you start looking beyond the boundaries of your own home town.
>>>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>>>
>>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne
>>> and Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>>
>> - good grief, you must be the great grandfather of rasfwr -
>> a hundred and ten years old (or young), if you're a day!
>>
>> - and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
>> in print, works written with political intent, designed
>> to warn against germany's increasing military might and
>> the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
>> feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
>> romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
>>
>> * see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
>
>Let us not forget Edward Bellamy's _Looking Backward_, published in 1888.
Something strange happened to your post; maybe a munged newsreader
setting? The header shows "Content type: multipart/alternative,"
and the formatting is very odd.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
<l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-05-08 07:38:52 -0400, ppint. at pplay said:
>
>> - hi; in article, <a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
>> rob...@bigpond.com "Robert Bannister" increduled:
>>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen. Maybe it's whenever
>>>> you start looking beyond the boundaries of your own home town.
>>>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>>>
>>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne
>>> and Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>>
>> - good grief, you must be the great grandfather of rasfwr -
>> a hundred and ten years old (or young), if you're a day!
>>
>> - and even then, there were works of speculative fiction
>> in print, works written with political intent, designed
>> to warn against germany's increasing military might and
>> the kaiser's bellicose intentions/to incite and further
>> feed anti-german hysteria*, as well as the "scientific
>> romances" of verne & wells, and their contemporaries.
>>
>> * see _Voices Prophesying War_, _England Invaded_ et al.
>
Something strange happened to your post; maybe a munged newsreader
setting? The header shows "Content type: multipart/alternative,"
and the formatting is very odd.
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
Lawrence Watt-Evans
May 8, 2012, 1:22:59 PM5/8/12
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quoting and sig definer, and apparently didn't undo it as completely as
I thought.
Incidentally, I have here another book, _A.D. 2000_ by Lieutenant
Alvarado M. Fuller, published in Chicago in 1890, where the author felt
it necessary to say that he'd started writing it in November of 1887 --
i.e., two months before _Looking Backward_ was published.
(My copy is missing the title page, which is the only place the
author's name appears, so I just spent a little time tracking it down
online. Apparently it's scarce -- there aren't a lot of mentions, and
the only copy that shows up as still in existence is in the Duke
University rare books collection. Huh.)
David Goldfarb
May 8, 2012, 5:36:05 PM5/8/12
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In article <jobkpj$98d$1...@dont-email.me>,
--
David Goldfarb |"Nothing is more annoying to the discoverers of a
goldf...@gmail.com | new land without human habitation than to find
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | that the natives have a strong sense of property
| rights." -- John M. Ford
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>Incidentally, I have here another book, _A.D. 2000_ by Lieutenant
>Alvarado M. Fuller, published in Chicago in 1890, where the author felt
>it necessary to say that he'd started writing it in November of 1887 --
>i.e., two months before _Looking Backward_ was published.
How did he do, as far as forecasting the future goes?
>Incidentally, I have here another book, _A.D. 2000_ by Lieutenant
>Alvarado M. Fuller, published in Chicago in 1890, where the author felt
>it necessary to say that he'd started writing it in November of 1887 --
>i.e., two months before _Looking Backward_ was published.
--
David Goldfarb |"Nothing is more annoying to the discoverers of a
goldf...@gmail.com | new land without human habitation than to find
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | that the natives have a strong sense of property
| rights." -- John M. Ford
Nix
May 8, 2012, 7:10:49 PM5/8/12
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have held down a million deeply bizarre jobs to become a writer.
Heck, Pratchett didn't start writing published fiction until his
thirties and didn't make it big until about a decade had passed -- and
nobody could call *him* a minor author.
--
NULL && (void)
Robert Bannister
May 8, 2012, 9:21:54 PM5/8/12
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who didn't start writing until he was 57.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
May 8, 2012, 9:25:17 PM5/8/12
to
On 8/05/12 11:27 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
I did get hold a few Astoundings in my teens, but even then they weren't
easy to find. The War was only 3 years dead when I was eight and things
were very short.
--
Robert Bannister
> In article<a0rf6a...@mid.individual.net>,
> Robert Bannister<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> On 7/05/12 8:04 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>>
>>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>>
>>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
>>> your own home town.
>>>
>>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>>
>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>> Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>
> How old are you?? The first SF *novel* I read was a reprint of Ralph
> Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
> Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
> in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
> went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
> took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
> as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
> science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
I don't believe any of those were available in England when I was a boy.
>> On 7/05/12 8:04 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article<slrnjqe1d...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>>> David DeLaney<d...@vic.com> wrote:
>>>> A.G.McDowell<andrew-...@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> They say that the golden age of science fiction is 14,
>>>>
>>>> That's in Canadian years. In the USA it's 12.
>>>
>>> But C. M. Kornbluth, IIRC, said it was thirteen.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's whenever you start looking beyond the boundaries of
>>> your own home town.
>>>
>>> (I started reading SF at about eight. But I'm weird.
>>
>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>> Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>
> How old are you?? The first SF *novel* I read was a reprint of Ralph
> Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
> Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
> in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
> went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
> took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
> as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
> science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
I did get hold a few Astoundings in my teens, but even then they weren't
easy to find. The War was only 3 years dead when I was eight and things
were very short.
--
Robert Bannister
Howard Brazee
May 8, 2012, 9:35:42 PM5/8/12
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On Wed, 09 May 2012 09:25:17 +0800, Robert Bannister
<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>>> Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>>
>> How old are you?? The first SF *novel* I read was a reprint of Ralph
>> Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
>> Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
>> in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
>> went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
>> took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
>> as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
>> science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
>
>I don't believe any of those were available in England when I was a boy.
>I did get hold a few Astoundings in my teens, but even then they weren't
>easy to find. The War was only 3 years dead when I was eight and things
>were very short.
Ahh, then it isn't that you're too old. If you were 20 years older,
<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>> I don't believe there was any SF when I was eight apart from Verne and
>>> Wells whose works I devoured as soon as I could get hold of them.
>>
>> How old are you?? The first SF *novel* I read was a reprint of Ralph
>> Milne Farley's _The Radio Man_, first published in 1924. Hugo
>> Gernsback wrote _Ralph 124C41+_ in 1911, and launched _Amazing Stories_
>> in 1926. _Astounding Stories_ started publication in 1930, though it
>> went through a few periods of death and resurrection before Campbell
>> took it over in 1938. And those are just specifically SF magazines,
>> as distinguished from generalized adventure pulps that had
>> science fiction along with other genres of the pulpy persuasion.
>
>I don't believe any of those were available in England when I was a boy.
>I did get hold a few Astoundings in my teens, but even then they weren't
>easy to find. The War was only 3 years dead when I was eight and things
>were very short.
you would have found SF, or 20 years younger. But war shortages got
in your way.
ppint. at pplay
May 8, 2012, 9:26:38 PM5/8/12
to
- hi; in article, <87txzqx...@spindle.srvr.nix>,
nix-ra...@esperi.org.uk "Nix" averred:
the uk prozine, Science Fantasy, dated august 1963. [a]
> and didn't make it big until about a decade had passed --
- if his signings at IMT are aught to go by, he'd achieved
major popularity as author of the discworld books by 1991,
five years after the publication of _The Colour of Magic_,
but twenty-eight years after that of "The Hades Business"
& twenty after that of his first novel, _The Carpet People_.
> and nobody could call *him* a minor author.
- perhaps so; but this _is_ rec.arts.sf.written...
- i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
when first professionally published, though marjorie bowen
might give them a run for their money; but authors seem to
start at any, and pretty well every age, from twelve years
old on up to their sixties - and quite possibly even later.
- love, ppint.
[a] - and his second, "Night Dweller", in New Worlds #156,
dated november 1965
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
nix-ra...@esperi.org.uk "Nix" averred:
> Lawrence Watt-Evans said:
>> JRStern said:
>>> Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
>>> made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
>>> get to live on it for a generation.
>>
>> No.
>> Martha Grimes and R.A. Lafferty didn't publish any fiction until they
>> were in their fifties, to name just the first two who come to mind.
>> A LOT of SF/fantasy writers (post-pulp era) didn't get started until
>> they were in their thirties. I'm unusual in having sold my first novel
>> when I was only twenty-four. Yeah, there are people like Paolini who
>> broke in much younger than I did, but they're a minority.
>
>Quite. Writers start late, if just because you seem to be required to
>have held down a million deeply bizarre jobs to become a writer.
>
>Heck, Pratchett didn't start writing published fiction until his
>thirties
- ah, terry's first-published fiction appeared in #60 of
>> JRStern said:
>>> Isn't that about the same distribution for writers? If they haven't
>>> made a reputation by 30-ish, they probably won't. If they have, they
>>> get to live on it for a generation.
>>
>> No.
>> Martha Grimes and R.A. Lafferty didn't publish any fiction until they
>> were in their fifties, to name just the first two who come to mind.
>> A LOT of SF/fantasy writers (post-pulp era) didn't get started until
>> they were in their thirties. I'm unusual in having sold my first novel
>> when I was only twenty-four. Yeah, there are people like Paolini who
>> broke in much younger than I did, but they're a minority.
>
>Quite. Writers start late, if just because you seem to be required to
>have held down a million deeply bizarre jobs to become a writer.
>
>Heck, Pratchett didn't start writing published fiction until his
>thirties
the uk prozine, Science Fantasy, dated august 1963. [a]
> and didn't make it big until about a decade had passed --
major popularity as author of the discworld books by 1991,
five years after the publication of _The Colour of Magic_,
but twenty-eight years after that of "The Hades Business"
& twenty after that of his first novel, _The Carpet People_.
> and nobody could call *him* a minor author.
- i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
when first professionally published, though marjorie bowen
might give them a run for their money; but authors seem to
start at any, and pretty well every age, from twelve years
old on up to their sixties - and quite possibly even later.
- love, ppint.
[a] - and his second, "Night Dweller", in New Worlds #156,
dated november 1965
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
--
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
Lawrence Watt-Evans
May 9, 2012, 12:29:34 AM5/9/12
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On 2012-05-08 17:36:05 -0400, David Goldfarb said:
> In article <jobkpj$98d$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> Incidentally, I have here another book, _A.D. 2000_ by Lieutenant
>> Alvarado M. Fuller, published in Chicago in 1890, where the author felt
>> it necessary to say that he'd started writing it in November of 1887 --
>> i.e., two months before _Looking Backward_ was published.
>
> How did he do, as far as forecasting the future goes?
I am embarrassed to admit I haven't read it yet. I inherited it when
> In article <jobkpj$98d$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> Incidentally, I have here another book, _A.D. 2000_ by Lieutenant
>> Alvarado M. Fuller, published in Chicago in 1890, where the author felt
>> it necessary to say that he'd started writing it in November of 1887 --
>> i.e., two months before _Looking Backward_ was published.
>
> How did he do, as far as forecasting the future goes?
my mother died, along with about 6,000 other books, and haven't yet got
to it.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 9, 2012, 12:47:33 AM5/9/12
to
In article <20120509.012...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
for twelve.
> - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> when first professionally published,
Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> when first professionally published,
twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
for twelve.
Robert Carnegie
May 9, 2012, 6:25:10 AM5/9/12
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First /novel/ at 57, but a very dodgy published novella
at 20, unless somebody made that up as a joke.
Anyway, it's best not to start too late writing sci-fi,
or we get something like Dorothy Heydt's "The Wireless-Phones",
in which alien gadgets that are unfathomable to adults
are eventually identified by ctheir hildren as radio
communications devices.
Robert Carnegie
May 9, 2012, 6:17:18 AM5/9/12
to
On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:26:38 AM UTC+1, "ppint. at pplay" wrote:
> - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> when first professionally published, though marjorie bowen
> might give them a run for their money; but authors seem to
> start at any, and pretty well every age, from twelve years
> old on up to their sixties - and quite possibly even later.
I don't remember if there are strict sci-fi elements
> - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> when first professionally published, though marjorie bowen
> might give them a run for their money; but authors seem to
> start at any, and pretty well every age, from twelve years
> old on up to their sixties - and quite possibly even later.
in _The Young Visiters_, but I have an impression of
it being pretty fantastic. But it was published a
long time after the writing - as were some comical
shorter pieces by a teenaged (or younger?) Jane Austen.
Michael Stemper
May 9, 2012, 8:18:51 AM5/9/12
to
In article <slrnjqhu5...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>
>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>
>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer!
>Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!
ObDoctorWho: _The Happiness Patrol_, which was set on a planet which had
>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>
>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>
>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer!
>Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!
patrols going out and enforcing happiness. Or, at least, "happiness".
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happiness_Patrol>
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him talk like Mr. Ed
by rubbing peanut butter on his gums.
Howard Brazee
May 9, 2012, 9:14:46 AM5/9/12
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On Wed, 9 May 2012 04:47:33 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
>Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
>twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
>for twelve.
And sometimes we have authors who start writing at a very young age,
with the stories later on being converted to published works. I'm
thinking of Sherwood Smith.
wrote:
>Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
>twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
>for twelve.
with the stories later on being converted to published works. I'm
thinking of Sherwood Smith.
Dorothy J Heydt
May 9, 2012, 12:48:59 PM5/9/12
to
In article <4505259.1549.1336559110759.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbjb10>,
Golly. Ten or twenty years ago I might have taken that idea and
run with it. I don't have the chops any more.
However, my first published story was "Through Fire and Frost" in
a Darkover anthology, 1982. I was 40. For what that's worth.
run with it. I don't have the chops any more.
However, my first published story was "Through Fire and Frost" in
a Darkover anthology, 1982. I was 40. For what that's worth.
Robert A. Woodward
May 10, 2012, 12:48:21 AM5/10/12
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In article <M3qnz...@kithrup.com>,
Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
> In article <20120509.012...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
> ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> > when first professionally published,
>
> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> for twelve.
Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
> ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> > when first professionally published,
>
> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> for twelve.
Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
Lawrence Watt-Evans
May 10, 2012, 12:53:11 AM5/10/12
to
Butch Malahide
May 10, 2012, 1:20:48 AM5/10/12
to
On May 9, 11:48 pm, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
> In article <M3qnz9.1...@kithrup.com>,
> djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
> > In article <20120509.0126.12050053...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
called _Escape_. Was that a professional publication?
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40984
> In article <M3qnz9.1...@kithrup.com>,
> djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>
> > In article <20120509.0126.12050053...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
> > ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> > > when first professionally published,
>
> > Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> > twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> > for twelve.
>
> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
> Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
> 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
> the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
> that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
C. M. Kornbluth came close. According to the ISFDB his 16th birthday
>
> > > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> > > when first professionally published,
>
> > Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> > twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> > for twelve.
>
> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
> Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
> 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
> the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
> that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
called _Escape_. Was that a professional publication?
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40984
Robert A. Woodward
May 11, 2012, 12:55:20 AM5/11/12
to
In article <jofhjn$1r0$1...@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> On 2012-05-10 00:48:21 -0400, Robert A. Woodward said:
>
> > In article <M3qnz...@kithrup.com>,
> > djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <20120509.012...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
> >> ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> >>> when first professionally published,
> >>
> >> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> >> twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> >> for twelve.
> >
> > Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
> > Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
> > 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
> > the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
> > that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
>
> Christopher Paolini.
Published when he was 19 (same as Isaac Asimov).
> On 2012-05-10 00:48:21 -0400, Robert A. Woodward said:
>
> > In article <M3qnz...@kithrup.com>,
> > djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <20120509.012...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
> >> ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
> >>> when first professionally published,
> >>
> >> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
> >> twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
> >> for twelve.
> >
> > Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
> > Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
> > 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
> > the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
> > that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
>
> Christopher Paolini.
Matthias Warkus
May 11, 2012, 4:56:11 AM5/11/12
to
Am 09.05.12 03:21, schrieb Robert Bannister:
scholars and critics like to point out that he had been writing as a
journalist for decades (IIRC) before he started writing fiction (in
earnest - let's not count that "dodgy first novel").
mawa
--
http://www.prellblog.de
> There's a German author, very well known in his day, Theodor Fontane,
> who didn't start writing until he was 57.
Yeah, he's the classic example, but at this point in this conversation,
> who didn't start writing until he was 57.
scholars and critics like to point out that he had been writing as a
journalist for decades (IIRC) before he started writing fiction (in
earnest - let's not count that "dodgy first novel").
mawa
--
http://www.prellblog.de
Brian M. Scott
May 12, 2012, 1:34:55 PM5/12/12
to
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:55:20 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
<robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
<news:robertaw-E92769...@news.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> In article <jofhjn$1r0$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-05-10 00:48:21 -0400, Robert A. Woodward said:
>>> In article <M3qnz...@kithrup.com>,
>>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
[...]
>>>> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I
>>>> believe, twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ...
>>>> but it's not bad, for twelve.
>>> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of
>>> _Strange Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16.
>>> She submitted it in 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I
>>> have seen an hardcover, possibly the first US edition,
>>> whose endpapers were copies of two pages of that. I
>>> have not heard of another author in any genre that
>>> young.
>> Christopher Paolini.
> Published when he was 19 (same as Isaac Asimov).
Ruth Nichols's _A Walk Out of the World_ was written at 18
and published at 21. I'll have to get a copy to see whether
it's as good as I remember it being.
Brian
<robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
<news:robertaw-E92769...@news.individual.net> in
rec.arts.sf.written:
> In article <jofhjn$1r0$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-05-10 00:48:21 -0400, Robert A. Woodward said:
>>> In article <M3qnz...@kithrup.com>,
>>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>>>> Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I
>>>> believe, twelve. Mind you, it's not terribly good ...
>>>> but it's not bad, for twelve.
>>> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of
>>> _Strange Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16.
>>> She submitted it in 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I
>>> have seen an hardcover, possibly the first US edition,
>>> whose endpapers were copies of two pages of that. I
>>> have not heard of another author in any genre that
>>> young.
>> Christopher Paolini.
> Published when he was 19 (same as Isaac Asimov).
and published at 21. I'll have to get a copy to see whether
it's as good as I remember it being.
Brian
Butch Malahide
May 12, 2012, 2:17:27 PM5/12/12
to
On May 10, 12:20 am, Butch Malahide <fred.gal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> C. M. Kornbluth came close. According to the ISFDB his 16th birthday
> was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
> of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
> called _Escape_. Was that a professional publication?
No. While the ISFDB page
>
> C. M. Kornbluth came close. According to the ISFDB his 16th birthday
> was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
> of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
> called _Escape_. Was that a professional publication?
> http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40984
merely says "[f]irst published in the magazine Escape, August 1939",
the other ISFDB page for this story
<http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?843260>
identifies Escape as a fanzine. It seems, that, that the story was
written when Kornbluth was about 16 years old, and published
professionally before his 18th birthday, in the April 1941 issue of
Stirring Science Stories.
John F. Eldredge
May 15, 2012, 10:51:16 PM5/15/12
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On Wed, 09 May 2012 12:18:51 +0000, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article <slrnjqhu5...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>
>>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>>
>>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>>
>>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer! Happiness is mandatory,
>>Citizen!
>
> ObDoctorWho: _The Happiness Patrol_, which was set on a planet which had
> patrols going out and enforcing happiness. Or, at least, "happiness".
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happiness_Patrol>
Beatings will continue until morale improves!
> In article <slrnjqhu5...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>
>>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>>
>>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>>
>>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer! Happiness is mandatory,
>>Citizen!
>
> ObDoctorWho: _The Happiness Patrol_, which was set on a planet which had
> patrols going out and enforcing happiness. Or, at least, "happiness".
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happiness_Patrol>
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Michael Stemper
May 16, 2012, 8:39:44 AM5/16/12
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In article <3c30c198-a593-4280...@v24g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Butch Malahide <fred....@gmail.com> writes:
>On May 9, 11:48=A0pm, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
I recognized the title when I read this post, the story made so little
impression on me that I had to check wikipedia to refresh my memory.
Admittedly, it's better than anything that I'll ever be capable of writing.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
There is three erors in this sentence.
>On May 9, 11:48=A0pm, "Robert A. Woodward" <rober...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>> In article <M3qnz9.1...@kithrup.com>, =A0djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> > In article <20120509.0126.12050053...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
>> > > when first professionally published,
>>
>> > Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
>> > twelve. =A0Mind you, it's not terribly good ... but it's not bad,
>> > In article <20120509.0126.12050053...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > > - i've no idea who might be the youngest-starting sf author
>> > > when first professionally published,
>>
>> > Well, Jane Gaskell published _Strange Evil_ at, I believe,
>> > for twelve.
>>
>> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
>> Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
>> 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
>> the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
>> that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
>
>C. M. Kornbluth came close. According to the ISFDB his 16th birthday
>was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
>of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
>called _Escape_.
Strangely enough, I read that for the first time on Sunday. Although
>>
>> Depending on which half of 1957 saw the publication of _Strange
>> Evil_, it was published when she was 15 or 16. She submitted it in
>> 1955, handwritten in a notebook. I have seen an hardcover, possibly
>> the first US edition, whose endpapers were copies of two pages of
>> that. I have not heard of another author in any genre that young.
>
>C. M. Kornbluth came close. According to the ISFDB his 16th birthday
>was 23 July 1939, and his famous and much reprinted story "The Rocket
>of 1955" was first published in the August 1939 issue of a magazine
>called _Escape_.
I recognized the title when I read this post, the story made so little
impression on me that I had to check wikipedia to refresh my memory.
Admittedly, it's better than anything that I'll ever be capable of writing.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Gene Wirchenko
May 21, 2012, 9:58:01 PM5/21/12
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On Tue, 08 May 2012 07:02:15 -0400, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:
>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>
>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>
>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer!
>Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!
Enjoy Bouncy Bubble beverage. It's the mandatory thing!
DeLaney) wrote:
>Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>On 6/05/12 9:02 PM, Al Lal wrote:
>>> Maybe, the government should find a way of measuring happiness of the
>>> population, and report it regularly.
>>
>>Good heavens! The first thing they'd do would be to tax it.
>
>The Computer is your friend! TRUST the Computer!
>Happiness is mandatory, Citizen!
>Dave "stay alert. keep your laser handy." DeLaney
Sincerely,
Gene "a lowly infrared" Wirchenko
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