Sanderson, tWayoKings
David DeLaney
paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
own, put together.
Dave "now to wait for 2012" DeLaney
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Mary Shafer
DeLaney) wrote:
> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
> own, put together.
I just went over to Amazon to get this book and discovered I'd bought
it in November of last year. I'll have to pull it back from the
archive and read it.
Mary "Sounds like it'll keep me off the streets and out of the pool
halls for a while."
--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it.
reunite....@gmail.com or mil...@qnet.com
Visit my blog at http://thedigitalknitter.blogspot.com/
J
joked I would have to cut it in half to carry it on the subway. It
actually has MORE pages than the hardcover edition...
Michael A. Terrell
Mary Shafer wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:05:38 -0400, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
> DeLaney) wrote:
>
> > Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
> > paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
> > 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
> > own, put together.
>
> I just went over to Amazon to get this book and discovered I'd bought
> it in November of last year. I'll have to pull it back from the
> archive and read it.
>
> Mary "Sounds like it'll keep me off the streets and out of the pool
> halls for a while."
I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
--
It's easy to think outside the box, when you have a cutting torch.
Mary Shafer
It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
I have never seen a pattern for a knitted cue holder, which would be a
possible project. The closest I've seen is a pattern for a knitted
yoga pad holder. Obviously knitters don't spend much time in pool
halls.
Mary "Too busy doing yoga, I suppose."
David DeLaney
>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Mary Shafer wrote:
>> > Mary "Sounds like it'll keep me off the streets and out of the pool
>> > halls for a while."
>>
>> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>
>It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
>wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
>ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
>however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
>
>I have never seen a pattern for a knitted cue holder, which would be a
>possible project. The closest I've seen is a pattern for a knitted
>yoga pad holder. Obviously knitters don't spend much time in pool halls.
And the "cloth untrue" was obviously crocheted.
Dave "the twisted cue could be macrame, I suppose" DeLaney
Michael A. Terrell
Mary Shafer wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>
> It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
> wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
> ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
> however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
My mother liked to knit, and as a child I held a lot of skeins as she
made them into a ball of yarn. Her favorite was knitting afghans, since
she lived in a cold climate.
> I have never seen a pattern for a knitted cue holder, which would be a
> possible project. The closest I've seen is a pattern for a knitted
> yoga pad holder. Obviously knitters don't spend much time in pool
> halls.
Probably not, but both need steady hands and a good eye for detail.
:)
BTW, I like your sense of humor. There are too many humorless people
on usenet.
Robert Bannister
>
> Mary Shafer wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>>
>> It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
>> wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
>> ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
>> however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
>
>
> My mother liked to knit, and as a child I held a lot of skeins as she
> made them into a ball of yarn. Her favorite was knitting afghans, since
> she lived in a cold climate.
I always thought the point of knitting was to get your boyfriend to hold
his hands up while you wound wool round them. This was very effective in
preventing him from putting his hands anywhere else.
--
Robert Bannister
Mary Shafer
Thank you. Humor is very important to me; it was one of the main
qualities for which I selected my husband. We're still amusing each
other after over forty years, which proves something or another.
Mary "If you don't laugh, you can only weep."
Mary Shafer
<rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> I always thought the point of knitting was to get your boyfriend to hold
> his hands up while you wound wool round them. This was very effective in
> preventing him from putting his hands anywhere else.
Sweetie, in many cases the whole point of having a boyfriend was
getting him to put his hands somewhere else. Why do you think the
mothers of young women worried so much about dark movie theaters and
cars?
Mary "Beware the Curse of the Boyfriend Sweater."
William December Starr
Robert Bannister <rob...@bigpond.com> said:
Especially since handcuffs and other useful boyfriend-control
devices were probably harder for civilians to acquire back in
those days. Especially for demure young ladies.
-- wds
Michael A. Terrell
My motto is: "Any day you can't tell a bad joke, it just isn't worth
chewing through the restraints!'
If it weren't for my sense of humor, I would have given up on life 10
years ago when I was laid off, and had to spend the next two years stuck
in bed. I have several disabled freinds who call or E-mail me when they
are dpressed. Once I get them laughing, they are OK for a couple months.
:)
Michael A. Terrell
Not really. You can even read a book while holding yarn, so a LOT of
other interesting things are still possible. ;-)
Michael A. Terrell
Why do you think 'Hat Pins' were so popular at one time?
Robert Bannister
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:35:52 +0800, Robert Bannister
> <rob...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> I always thought the point of knitting was to get your boyfriend to hold
>> his hands up while you wound wool round them. This was very effective in
>> preventing him from putting his hands anywhere else.
>
> Sweetie, in many cases the whole point of having a boyfriend was
> getting him to put his hands somewhere else. Why do you think the
> mothers of young women worried so much about dark movie theaters and
> cars?
>
> Mary "Beware the Curse of the Boyfriend Sweater."
Thank you for giving me my first good laugh of the morning.
--
Robert Bannister
Still smiling
Brian Palmer
> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
> own, put together.
Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I
expect.
--
I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard.
David DeLaney
>d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>> own, put together.
>
>Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
(I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
Kurt Busiek
> Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>>> own, put together.
>>
>> Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>> aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
>
> As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
> already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>
> (I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
> not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
> result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
>
> Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
Is there any precedent for it, even?
When CDs debuted, or paperbacks, was there a way to get everything you
owned in another format converted for free? And why would it be a
requirement to have everything one owns in the same format?
Not arguing with your decision -- it's your choice, of course -- I'm
just curious. I can actually see the advantage of having all one's
music on CD, or digital, or something, so you can play it all in the
car, or wherever. But I find it to be no real hardship to have books on
the shelf and e-books in the thumb drive. I can still read whichever I
choose, though the e-books have an overall portability advantage.
kdb
--
Visit http://www.busiek.com -- for all your Busiek needs!
Gene Wirchenko
<reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:32:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
[snip]
>> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>
>It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
>wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
>ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
>however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
Assume a spherical cat. A kitten is a good approximation.
[snip]
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Andrew Plotkin
> On 2011-06-07 11:58:28 -0700, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> >
> > As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
> > already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
> >
> > (I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
> > not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
> > result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
> >
> > Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
>
> Is there any precedent for it, even?
>
> When CDs debuted, or paperbacks, was there a way to get everything you
> owned in another format converted for free?
When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
This was *the* selling point for the original iPod; Apple wasn't shy
about it. (To the horror of the music industry.) This turns out to
have been a smart strategy for Apple. Pretty good for musicians, too.
I remain convinced that Apple should have done the same thing for
books on the iPad. The problem was that their obvious partner, Amazon,
was already committed to the Kindle.
If Amazon *hadn't* already been on that path, Steve Jobs would (I'm
sure) have been on the phone to them, saying "Look. You have customer
histories. I have hardware. Commit to giving people ebook copies of
every physical book they've ever bought from you, and in a year there
will be twenty million iPad customers buying books from your store."
I don't know if Amazon would have gone for that deal, but it would
have been a good deal.
--Z
--
"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
Paul Colquhoun
| On 2011-06-07 11:58:28 -0700, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
|
|> Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
|>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
|>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
|>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
|>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
|>>> own, put together.
|>>
|>> Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
|>> aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
|>
|> As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
|> already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
|>
|> (I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
|> not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
|> result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
|>
|> Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
|
| Is there any precedent for it, even?
|
| When CDs debuted, or paperbacks, was there a way to get everything you
| owned in another format converted for free? And why would it be a
| requirement to have everything one owns in the same format?
Replacing your vinyl records with CDs would have entailed some cost just
for the raw materials and manufacturing involved in each copy, plus
shipping expenses, even if the record labels had agreed to forgo their
profit for the replacement/upgrade copies.
Since an individual ebook takes no raw materials, has a manufacturing
cost of almost zero, and extremely low shipping costs, it does start to
look like an affordable option. The most expensive part of the
transaction would probably be the verification of ownership of a
dead-tree version that is being upgraded.
| Not arguing with your decision -- it's your choice, of course -- I'm
| just curious. I can actually see the advantage of having all one's
| music on CD, or digital, or something, so you can play it all in the
| car, or wherever. But I find it to be no real hardship to have books on
| the shelf and e-books in the thumb drive. I can still read whichever I
| choose, though the e-books have an overall portability advantage.
|
| kdb
--
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Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Mary Shafer
wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:13:35 -0700, Mary Shafer
> <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:32:18 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> ><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
> >
> >It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
> >wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
> >ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
> >however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
>
> Assume a spherical cat. A kitten is a good approximation.
Until about two months ago, we were well on the way to having, not
assuming, a spherical collie. Gordo the Wonder Collie[1] had been
eating diet kibble and was still gaining, so we reduced the diet
kibble portion and mixed it with canned pumpkin puree and low-fat
lactose-free milk and now Gordo no es gordo.
[1] He's epileptic and on significant doses of Phenobarbital,
potassium bromide, and Keppra, making him sleep more and be less
active than the average dog.
Mary "I'm thinking of cutting out the milk now."
David DeLaney
>> Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>>>> own, put together.
>>>
>>> Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>>> aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
>>
>> As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>> already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>>
>>(I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
>>not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
>>result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
>>
>> Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
>
>Is there any precedent for it, even?
Nope. Not a jot or a tittle.
>When CDs debuted, or paperbacks, was there a way to get everything you
>owned in another format converted for free?
Nope ... and the results of THOSE are direct components in my refusal to
accept it THIS time around. Fool me forty-seven times, shame on you; fool
me once MORE, shame on ME.
>And why would it be a
>requirement to have everything one owns in the same format?
Personal reasons. I already can't have everything in mass market paperback
because a lot of it never came OUT in that format to start with, for some
sort of nebulous reasons involving profit and wanting to give the appearance
of remunerating authors. I certainly don't want to start HAVING to get things
in a format where I can ONLY read them if there's a screen of some sort
involved that turns on and off; at present that limits me to "sitting in
the middle of my living room in a specific chair facing a specific direction"
and "lugging an Eee netbook with me and hoping its battery hasn't run out yet
because it seems to do so at about 2-hour intervals".
I've also looked at the screen the nook has, and it's not large enough.
Certainly one on a cellphone or iPhone wouldn't be.
>Not arguing with your decision -- it's your choice, of course -- I'm
>just curious. I can actually see the advantage of having all one's
>music on CD, or digital, or something, so you can play it all in the
>car, or wherever. But I find it to be no real hardship to have books on
>the shelf and e-books in the thumb drive. I can still read whichever I
>choose, though the e-books have an overall portability advantage.
I'm not at the "can read whichever I choose" level. For reasons which also
separate me out from the vast majority of USAns at the moment...
Dave "also, I don't own a television" DeLaney
David DeLaney
>Mary Shafer <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>>
>>It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
>>wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
>>ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
>>however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
>
> Assume a spherical cat. A kitten is a good approximation.
Unfortunately, kittens have a collection of pointy singularities.
Dave "which may result in your making a cross-cap face at unexpected moments"
Kurt Busiek
> Here, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-06-07 11:58:28 -0700, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>>>
>>> As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>>> already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>>>
>>> (I do have some books that are only in e-form, but that's because a) they are
>>> not available in ANY other form and b) I had a desperate wanting for them. The
>>> result has not weighted me any further to wanting books in general in e-form.)
>>>
>>> Dave "i realize this condition is a rather high barrier" DeLaney
>>
>> Is there any precedent for it, even?
>>
>> When CDs debuted, or paperbacks, was there a way to get everything you
>> owned in another format converted for free?
>
> When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
And if you had the technology, you could convert your LPs and tapes, I
suppose. You can do that with paper books, too, but it's time-consuming.
> If Amazon *hadn't* already been on that path, Steve Jobs would (I'm
> sure) have been on the phone to them, saying "Look. You have customer
> histories. I have hardware. Commit to giving people ebook copies of
> every physical book they've ever bought from you, and in a year there
> will be twenty million iPad customers buying books from your store."
>
> I don't know if Amazon would have gone for that deal, but it would
> have been a good deal.
It would. Wouldn't have satisfied David's condition, of course.
Helmut_Meukel
>> When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
>
> And if you had the technology, you could convert your LPs and tapes, I
> suppose. You can do that with paper books, too, but it's time-consuming.
Hmm, did you ever try it?
I did, some years ago.
I tried 2 different OCR programs with a HP flatbed scanner.
The recognition rate was 97 to 99%, but that's still too many errors.
To get best results you better scan loose pages.
Better to just scan as pictures, but then you've to setup a slideshow
to turn the pages.
Helmut.
Michael Stemper
>Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>>> own, put together.
>>
>>Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>>aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
>
>As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
I have no e-book reader and no current plans to get one.
None the less, I don't understand your requirement here. Since, as I
understand it, mere possession of an e-book reader would not cause
your traditional hard-copy books to stop working. That being the case,
why would you want to be able to replace all of them electronically
before switching to buying new books electronically?
Although all of my music purchases for the last fifteen years have
been on CD, that doesn't prevent me from listening to my old LPs or
cassettes.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
If this is our corporate opinion, you will be billed for it.
Thomas Womack
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <slrniusni...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>
>>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>>>> own, put together.
>>>
>>>Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>>>aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
>>
>>As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>>already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>
>I have no e-book reader and no current plans to get one.
>
>None the less, I don't understand your requirement here.
The requirement is 'be to books as the MP3 player was for CDs'.
Whilst CDs, LPs and cassettes didn't .stop. working as soon as MP3
players came in, it's much more annoying to go and find the cassette
and put it in the cassette player than it is to tap 'next song' on the
MP3 player; certainly I found that I scarcely used cassettes after
getting a CD player, and use CDs only once each now that I have an
iTunes setup.
(actually, no, it's easier to exercise with music from a boombox than
with an iPhone, so I have a few CDs that I put in a player next to the
Wii Fit)
Tom
Gene Wirchenko
DeLaney) wrote:
>Gene Wirchenko <ge...@ocis.net> wrote:
>>Mary Shafer <reunite....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> I suppose you knit cue balls, too? ;-)
>>>
>>>It's better to hang around with elephants for cue balls. Knitters
>>>wind yarn into loose balls to preserve the elasticity of the yarn,
>>>ruining the entire concept of perfect elastic collisions. You can,
>>>however, assume a spherical ball of yarn if necessary.
>>
>> Assume a spherical cat. A kitten is a good approximation.
>
>Unfortunately, kittens have a collection of pointy singularities.
>
>Dave "which may result in your making a cross-cap face at unexpected moments"
> DeLaney
I had a kitten go for my face once. I backed away, but not quite
fast enough. One claw got caught in my braces, and I dragged the cat
along.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Lynn McGuire
Sounds like a hair raising experience.
Lynn
Michael Stemper
>In article <isnpl9$fer$1...@dont-email.me>, Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <slrniusni...@gatekeeper.vic.com>, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>>As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>>>already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>>
>>I have no e-book reader and no current plans to get one.
>>
>>None the less, I don't understand your requirement here.
>
>The requirement is 'be to books as the MP3 player was for CDs'.
>
>Whilst CDs, LPs and cassettes didn't .stop. working as soon as MP3
>players came in, it's much more annoying to go and find the cassette
>and put it in the cassette player than it is to tap 'next song' on the
>MP3 player;
But, isn't it better to sometimes have that convenience, than to
never have it? I understand him to be saying "I won't accept some
convenience -- it's all or nothing."
> certainly I found that I scarcely used cassettes after
>getting a CD player,
And I've found that I don't play my LPs as often since I got a
CD player. But, I didn't let the fact that not everything that
I have on vinyl is (or will ever be) available on CD prevent me
from getting that some-time convenience.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in.
David DeLaney
>Andrew Plotkin <erky...@eblong.com> said:
>> When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
>
>And if you had the technology, you could convert your LPs and tapes, I
>suppose. You can do that with paper books, too, but it's time-consuming.
Side note: I -have- actually converted my cassette tapes. (And who knew that
'sitting still and undisturbed for 25 years or so' would so assist the
preservation of Radio-Shack-quality cassettes? Not a single one decided to
get eaten by the tape player...) I haven't started converting the LPs yet.
But it's on my mental to-do list.
>> If Amazon *hadn't* already been on that path, Steve Jobs would (I'm
>> sure) have been on the phone to them, saying "Look. You have customer
>> histories. I have hardware. Commit to giving people ebook copies of
>> every physical book they've ever bought from you, and in a year there
>> will be twenty million iPad customers buying books from your store."
>>
>> I don't know if Amazon would have gone for that deal, but it would
>> have been a good deal.
>
>It would. Wouldn't have satisfied David's condition, of course.
Correct.
Thinking about it, I might well go for e-book versions of "stuff I read in
my childhood and liked and which isn't available ANYWHERE any more", like
the Spaceship Under The Apple Tree series - the Scholastic books, I think the
line was, were not built for longevity alas - or Asimov's collections of
science essays. Stuff that _nobody_ has reissued in physical form for decades.
But that would require that someone find the rights to it all and e-reissue
it. And I don't think we're quite close enough to the Singularity for
publishers to be doing that to enough random older stuff to cover all the
older stuff _I_ would want (which is sort of a scattershot collection).
Dave "... but when everything old that we can still recover IS finally online,
oh what a cyberworld it'll be" DeLaney
David DeLaney
>>None the less, I don't understand your requirement here.
>
>The requirement is 'be to books as the MP3 player was for CDs'.
>
>Whilst CDs, LPs and cassettes didn't .stop. working as soon as MP3
>players came in, it's much more annoying to go and find the cassette
>and put it in the cassette player than it is to tap 'next song' on the
>MP3 player; certainly I found that I scarcely used cassettes after
>getting a CD player, and use CDs only once each now that I have an
>iTunes setup.
And it's even more annoying to have to switch back and forth between listening
formats every few songs because _these_ are .mp3 and you listen to them with
your computer, iPhone, iPod, cellphone, or other e-device, and _these_ are
on cassette and require the tape player, and _those_ are on an LP over there
and you have to use the record player, etc. Same thing for books: switching
back and forth between "these are physical books, lug them along" and "these
are e-books, find your netbook or laptop or cellphone or desktop PC" takes
you out of the mood.
>(actually, no, it's easier to exercise with music from a boombox than
>with an iPhone, so I have a few CDs that I put in a player next to the
>Wii Fit)
Dave "someday tempo will be too cheap to meter" DeLaney
Michael A. Terrell
Something I never thought I'd say, but "Poor cat!!!"
Michael A. Terrell
David DeLaney wrote:
>
> Dave "...Too busy writing one liners to set my computer's clock." DeLaney
Andrew Plotkin
>
> But, isn't it better to sometimes have that convenience, than to
> never have it? I understand him to be saying "I won't accept some
> convenience -- it's all or nothing."
Sometimes people just aren't interested in a feature, you know. I have
MP3s but I never use a portable MP3 player. (Despite having owned at
least one for a decade.) Turns out I only like listening to music
while sitting down.
Gene Wirchenko
wrote:
>On 6/8/2011 11:27 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
[snip]
>> I had a kitten go for my face once. I backed away, but not quite
>> fast enough. One claw got caught in my braces, and I dragged the cat
>> along.
>Sounds like a hair raising experience.
The cat was quite surprised. I was amused.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Marcus L. Rowland
<Helmut...@bn-hof.invalid> writes
reckon to spend two days scanning, one to two weeks correcting errors,
then another two months finding errors after I think I've finished. The
accuracy of modern programs on a well-printed books with clear text is
say an average one to three errors per page, but that's still say
200-600 errors in a 200-page book.
Having said that, there are one hell of a lot of free books already on
line - ignoring the illegal copies, there's a ton of copyright-expired
stuff plus things like the Baen Free Library which has a couple of
hundred SF novels free for the downloading. I think I've actually bought
two ebooks so far, both things that weren't available any other way at
the time, but I have something like eighty on my ebook reader at
present, and room for a couple of thousand more.
--
Marcus L. Rowland www.forgottenfutures.com
www.forgottenfutures.org
www.forgottenfutures.co.uk
Forgotten Futures - The Scientific Romance Role Playing Game
Diana: Warrior Princess & Elvis: The Legendary Tours
The Original Flatland Role Playing Game
Robert Bannister
> Kurt Busiek drückte sich sehr genau aus :
>>> When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
>>
>> And if you had the technology, you could convert your LPs and tapes, I
>> suppose. You can do that with paper books, too, but it's time-consuming.
>
> Hmm, did you ever try it?
> I did, some years ago.
> I tried 2 different OCR programs with a HP flatbed scanner.
> The recognition rate was 97 to 99%, but that's still too many errors.
So that's how publishers work these days. I knew there had to be
something to account for all the printing errors.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
> Here, Michael Stemper<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> wrote:
>>
>> But, isn't it better to sometimes have that convenience, than to
>> never have it? I understand him to be saying "I won't accept some
>> convenience -- it's all or nothing."
>
> Sometimes people just aren't interested in a feature, you know. I have
> MP3s but I never use a portable MP3 player. (Despite having owned at
> least one for a decade.) Turns out I only like listening to music
> while sitting down.
I only like listening to music when driving. If I'm sitting down
anywhere else, I want to read or at least do something else, and once I
start that, I no longer hear the music. In addition, the two CD players
I have in the house are useless - they somehow skip over large segments,
so I either have to stick them in my DVD player or it's back to the car
again.
--
Robert Bannister
Kurt Busiek
<Helmut...@bn-hof.invalid> said:
> Kurt Busiek drückte sich sehr genau aus :
>>> When MP3 players debuted, you could rip your CD collection to MP3.
>>
>> And if you had the technology, you could convert your LPs and tapes, I
>> suppose. You can do that with paper books, too, but it's time-consuming.
>
> Hmm, did you ever try it?
No, it seems way too labor-intensive. I'll just keep the book on the shelf.
Kurt Busiek
<two...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> said:
> In article <isnpl9$fer$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrniusni...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>> Brian Palmer <bpa...@rescomp.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>>
>>>>> Finished this on Monday. I enjoyed it and will purchase the sequels in
>>>>> paperback. ...Though I do have to say I don't think I +own+ any other
>>>>> 1250-plus-page paperbacks. This thing is thicker than some -trilogies- I
>>>>> own, put together.
>>>>
>>>> Well, by the time the sequel comes out perhaps you'll have leapt
>>>> aboard the ebook train. That's how I'll be buying the sequel, I expect.
>>>
>>> As noted elsewhere, once e-books allow me to get e-copies of all the books I
>>> already own, without any additional charge? Then I'll start considering it.
>>
>> I have no e-book reader and no current plans to get one.
>>
>> None the less, I don't understand your requirement here.
>
> The requirement is 'be to books as the MP3 player was for CDs'.
>
> Whilst CDs, LPs and cassettes didn't .stop. working as soon as MP3
> players came in, it's much more annoying to go and find the cassette
> and put it in the cassette player than it is to tap 'next song' on the
> MP3 player; certainly I found that I scarcely used cassettes after
> getting a CD player, and use CDs only once each now that I have an
> iTunes setup.
Not really the case with e-books; one doesn't put the print-book reader
in a closet somewhere and never use it again. It's still in use for
interfacing with the e-book reader, after all.
W. Citoan
> Same thing for books: switching back and forth between "these are
> physical books, lug them along" and "these are e-books, find your
> netbook or laptop or cellphone or desktop PC" takes you out of the
> mood.
You have a preference for real books. That's fine. However, there is
no need to make up silly excuses. Putting down a book and picking up an
ebook reader is no different than putting down a book and picking up
another one.
- W. Citoan
--
It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
-- [Father] James Keller
David DeLaney
>> Dave "...Too busy writing one liners to set my computer's clock." DeLaney
It's not MY server, and you're not seeing the time from my computer anywhere
there.
Dave "you are white text on black background in a PuTTY window" DeLaney
Helmut_Meukel
> Depending on the book (and I scan a lot of out-of-copyright material) I
> reckon to spend two days scanning, one to two weeks correcting errors, then
> another two months finding errors after I think I've finished. The accuracy
> of modern programs on a well-printed books with clear text is say an average
> one to three errors per page, but that's still say 200-600 errors in a
> 200-page book.
With english text there are less errors than with other languages.
e.g. German, French, any skandinavien language, or any slavic language.
ÄäÖöÜüß, âáàçœ..., ÅåÆæØøþ, ž..., will more often cause errors.
I've seen a scan of an old dictionary, printed in Germany in the
nineteenth century, as a scan image and the result from an OCR run.
Due to the gothic type used for the german part, really nothing was
recognized on the right side of the pages.
Helmut.
Marcus L. Rowland
<mste...@walkabout.empros.com> writes
ObSF (and probably not an exact quote):
"This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to buy
the White Album again."
Agent K, Men in Black
I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to work
this way...
Dorothy J Heydt
Marcus L. Rowland <forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>ObSF (and probably not an exact quote):
>
>"This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to buy
>the White Album again."
>
> Agent K, Men in Black
Pretty close, I think.
>
>I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to work
>this way...
My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I
may die of old age before I do.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Wayne Throop
:: buy the White Album again." Agent K, Men in Black
:: work this way...
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I may die
: of old age before I do.
I suspect many, possibly even most, folks will switch to streaming
movies from the net, or downloading them and playing them from local
storage without ever using blu-ray. The only use I see for blu-ray for
me right now is a higher-capacity writable archival/backup store... and
I tend to use usb magnetic and electronic media rather than optical for
that purpose.
The whole mutating concrete holdable-in-the-hands storage of media
issue is fading away, eroded to dust by the crystal wind.
I close my eyes
Only for a moment, then the moment's gone
All my dreams
Pass before my eyes, a curiosity
--- Kerry Livgren
Robert Bannister
Not only have I replaced some of my DVDs with Blu-ray, I even got caught
by the Region thing. All my DVD players have ignored regions, but my
Blu-ray player is apparently religious.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
> In article<hHpSSpDO...@00.d0.59.f5.d0.2a>,
> Marcus L. Rowland<forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> ObSF (and probably not an exact quote):
>>
>> "This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to buy
>> the White Album again."
>>
>> Agent K, Men in Black
>
> Pretty close, I think.
>>
>> I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to work
>> this way...
>
> My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I
> may die of old age before I do.
>
I have Blu-ray, but I am certainly resisting any urge to buy into 3D.
--
Robert Bannister
Robert Bannister
> :: "This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to
> :: buy the White Album again." Agent K, Men in Black
> :: I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to
> :: work this way...
>
> : djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
> : My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I may die
> : of old age before I do.
>
> I suspect many, possibly even most, folks will switch to streaming
> movies from the net, or downloading them and playing them from local
> storage without ever using blu-ray.
So what kind of HD equipment are you going to use? Also, with streaming,
you can't go back and replay bits you missed. I suppose illegal
downloads will save you a lot of money, but you'll lose out on quality.
--
Robert Bannister
Michael A. Terrell
David DeLaney wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >David DeLaney wrote:
> >> Dave "...Too busy writing one liners to set my computer's clock." DeLaney
>
> It's not MY server, and you're not seeing the time from my computer anywhere
> there.
Sigh. I give up on the idiots in this newsgroup. I can change the
displayed time of my messages by changing the RTC settings on my
computer. I see messages from you tagged well ahead of the current
time.
David DeLaney
>David DeLaney wrote:
>> It's not MY server, and you're not seeing the time from my computer anywhere
>> there.
>
> Sigh. I give up on the idiots in this newsgroup. I can change the
>displayed time of my messages by changing the RTC settings on my
>computer. I see messages from you tagged well ahead of the current time.
Because you're posting directly from your home computer, through your
Earthlink account, using (apparently) Mozilla. I'm not. Contrast this with
the few posts I made last week when I _was_ doing so, though still using slrn.
Dave
Marcus L. Rowland
<djh...@kithrup.com> writes
>In article <hHpSSpDO...@00.d0.59.f5.d0.2a>,
>Marcus L. Rowland <forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>ObSF (and probably not an exact quote):
>>
>>"This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to buy
>>the White Album again."
>>
>> Agent K, Men in Black
>
>Pretty close, I think.
>>
>>I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to work
>>this way...
>
>My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I
>may die of old age before I do.
>
amongst many other reasons, I've yet to find any region hacks that will
allow them to play DVDs from different regions, let alone BluRay disks.
By comparison, I currently own three DVD players and a TV with a DVD
player built in, all of them were region-free out of the box. Which is a
good thing because I've bought quite a few TV series from the USA, and
own films from pretty much all regions.
Robert Bannister
> In message <LMJKD...@kithrup.com>, Dorothy J Heydt
> <djh...@kithrup.com> writes
>> In article <hHpSSpDO...@00.d0.59.f5.d0.2a>,
>> Marcus L. Rowland <forgotte...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ObSF (and probably not an exact quote):
>>>
>>> "This little baby's going to replace the CD. That means I'll have to buy
>>> the White Album again."
>>>
>>> Agent K, Men in Black
>>
>> Pretty close, I think.
>>>
>>> I think that the whole "BluRay replaces DVD" thing is supposed to work
>>> this way...
>>
>> My computer will play Blue-rays. I haven't bought one yet. I
>> may die of old age before I do.
>>
> I have no intention of going the BluRay route while I have a choice -
> amongst many other reasons, I've yet to find any region hacks that will
> allow them to play DVDs from different regions, let alone BluRay disks.
> By comparison, I currently own three DVD players and a TV with a DVD
> player built in, all of them were region-free out of the box. Which is a
> good thing because I've bought quite a few TV series from the USA, and
> own films from pretty much all regions.
My Blu-ray player will play any DVD. It's only picky about blue rays,
but it seems that, unlike with DVDs, Australia is in the same region as
Europe so I can still buy cheap BRs from there.
--
Robert Bannister
Marcus L. Rowland
<rob...@bigpond.com> writes
DVD regions too. Thanks!
Robert Bannister
I would check before buying. I didn't because I already had an
all-region DVD player and could have left that hooked up, but it turned
out lucky *except* the first Blu-ray disc I bought was from the US and I
could only play its DVD version - quite a lot of BR discs come with 2
versions, so you think you're getting extra footage, but it's only the
same thing in ordinary DVD format.
--
Robert Bannister
Greg Goss
>Dave "someday tempo will be too cheap to meter" DeLaney
My older brother tried waiting for that day. He doesn't sell cars
till they're junk, but the car from my mother's estate refused to wear
out. Eventually he sold the old Ford two years ago for not much less
than we valued it in the estate in 2000.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>
>> Dave "someday tempo will be too cheap to meter" DeLaney
>
> My older brother tried waiting for that day. He doesn't sell cars
> till they're junk, but the car from my mother's estate refused to wear
> out. Eventually he sold the old Ford two years ago for not much less
> than we valued it in the estate in 2000.
Well, that would be nice, but I've already seen (and paid for) things
wearing out in the 2002 and 2003 cars I own, and they CERTAINLY aren't
valued at what they were, or anywhere near, when I got them.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Greg Goss
>On 6/13/11 4:07 PM, Greg Goss wrote:
>> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>
>>> Dave "someday tempo will be too cheap to meter" DeLaney
>>
>> My older brother tried waiting for that day. He doesn't sell cars
>> till they're junk, but the car from my mother's estate refused to wear
>> out. Eventually he sold the old Ford two years ago for not much less
>> than we valued it in the estate in 2000.
>
> Well, that would be nice, but I've already seen (and paid for) things
>wearing out in the 2002 and 2003 cars I own, and they CERTAINLY aren't
>valued at what they were, or anywhere near, when I got them.
Did you try it with a Tempo?
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Doing it in 4/4 or 3/4 the value appears to be the same.