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James Nicoll

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731 C.J. Cherryh Exile's Gate

This is the fourth Morgaine but although I own it, I don't think
that I ever read it.


732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall

The third Heralds of the Queen novel.


733 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov
Presents the Great SF Stories, 17 (1955)

1955 Introduction Martin H. Greenberg

The Tunnel Under the World Frederik Pohl

Just how far will an ad comany go?

I heard this as an X -1 radio play.

The Darfsteller Walter M. Miller, Jr.

I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.


The Cave of Night James E. Gunn

Grandpa James H. Schmitz

Survival on an alien world turns out to depend on understanding
details of the local ecology.

Who? Theodore Sturgeon

The Short Ones Raymond E. Banks

Captive Market Philip K. Dick

Allamagoosa Eric Frank Russell

One of very few stories involving anything like the quartermaster
corps (Sandra McDonald's THE OUTBACK STARS, roughly 'Elizabeth Moon done
right', would be a more serious take), this centers on something that will
strike fear into any captain's heart: an audit.


The Vanishing American Charles Beaumont

The Game of Rat and Dragon Cordwainer Smith

Humans find an odd ally in their struggle to make interstellar
flight possible.


The Star [Star of Bethlehem] Arthur C. Clarke

A Jesuit is upset when he gets to examine how God arranged the
Star of Bethlehem.

Amusing but silly. Anyone who can deal with kids being eaten by
bears in revenge for mocking a bald spot or how God hardened Pharoah's
heart so that later He could kill him should have no problem with what
happened in this story.


Nobody Bothers Gus [as by Paul Janvier] Algis Budrys

Delenda Est [Manse Everard (Time Patrol)] Poul Anderson

The Time Patrol must set history right, except as I recall there
is some evidence that it is the Time Patrol timeline that is the variation.


Dreaming Is a Private Thing Isaac Asimov


734 Jennifer Roberson A Pride of Princes

The fifth Cheysuli book.


735 Charles Ingrid Lasertown Blues

The second Sand Wars book and I have to say, the title makes it
sound terrible.


736 Lin Carter Calipygia

The fourth Terra Magica novel.


737 Sharon Green The Warrior Victorious

The fifth Terrilian Sequence. Remind me not to complain about the
"recent" in series F&SF.

738 James B. Johnson Mindhopper

I never saw this at all.


739 Robert Adams, Pamela Adams & Martin H. Greenberg Hunger for Horror


Introduction Pamela Crippen Adams

The Feast in the Abbey Robert Bloch

Pickmans Model H. P. Lovecraft

Shaggy Vengeance Robert Adams

They Bite Anthony Boucher

Share Alike Jerome Bixby & Joe E. Dean

Oil of Dog Ambrose Bierce

Beyond the Cleft Tom Reamy

Gladyss Gregory John Anthony West

The Same Old Grind Bill Pronzini

The Enchanted Fruit Ramsey Campbell

Elementals Stephen Vincent Benet

The Cookie Lady Philip K. Dick

The Malted Milk Monster William Tenn

Rogue Tomato Michael Bishop

The Iron Chancellor Robert Silverberg

This is an anthology of horror stories about food. I must have
read a number of them (It is sadly easy to be a completist where Reamy
is concerned) but the only one I recall in detail is the Silverberg,
which features an AI who is determined to serve what it seems as the
best interests of its owners.


740 Tanith Lee The White Serpent

The third Wars of Vis novel and not one I own.

741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley

Introduction

Centaurus Changeling

The Climbing Wave

Exiles of Tomorrow

Death Between the Stars

Bird of Prey

The Wind People

The Wild One

Treason of the Blood

The Day of the Butterflies

Heros Moon

The Engine

The Secret of the Blue Star [Lythande; Thieves World]

To Keep the Oath [Darkover]

Elbow Room

Blood Will Tell [Darkover]

Another anthology where I know I have read some of the title but
recall none. Poul Anderson's name was enough to get me to buy THIEVES WORLD
but nothing is enough to make me remember those stories.


742 Alan Burt Akers Warlord of Antares

Yet another Dray Prescott.


743 Jo Clayton Blue Magic

The second Drinker of Souls novel.


744 C.J. Cherryh Troubled Waters

The third Merovingian Nights collection and I don't think I even
saw this one.


745 Tanya Huff Child of the Grove

At the risk of being driven from Canada (or at least out of
Bakka Books), I am not a big Huff fan. This is the first Crystal book.


746 John Norman Magicians of Gor

The 25th Gor novel and the last one DAW would publish. Is there
no end to gynocratic perfidity? Will only Lange and Sir Patrick Moore
stand against this threat?


747 Donald A. Wollheim & Arthur W. Saha The 1988 Annual World's
Best Science Fiction

Introduction Donald A. Wollheim

The Pardoners Tale Robert Silverberg

Rachel in Love Pat Murphy

America [Carpenter] Orson Scott Card

Crying in the Rain Tanith Lee

The Sun Spider Lucius Shepard

Angel Pat Cadigan

Forever Yours, Anna Kate Wilhelm

Second Going James Tiptree, Jr.

Dinosaurs Walter Jon Williams


All Fall Down [Hlutr] Don Sakers

Aside from the WJW (which is about unfortunate aliens meeting
a human civilizations whose ways are all too set), this is a clean
miss. I must have disconnected from short SF by this point.


748 B.W. Clough Name of the Sun

The fourth Averidan book.


749 Mickey Zucker Reichert Shadow Climber

The second Bi-Frost Guardians book.


750 Mercedes Lackey Oathbound

The first Vows and Honor book.


751 Stephanie A. Smith Snow-Eyes

The first Snow-Eyes book.


752 W. Michael Gear The Warriors of Spider

The first Spiders book.


753 Marion Zimmer Bradley Sword and Sorceress 5

Introduction or Something Marion Zimmer Bradley

Sorcerers Pet Margaret L. Carter

Into the Green [Angharad] Charles de Lint

Eyes of the Laemi Janet Fox

Jewels Linda Gordon

Dance of the Healer M. R. Hildebrand

One Night at the Inn Millea Kenin

Keys [Vows and Honor] Mercedes R. Lackey

Drum Duel Gerald Perkins

The Eye of Toyur Diana L. Paxson

Peets Bride Dana Kramer-Rolls

Warriors Way A. D. Overstreet

Spoils of War Jennifer Roberson

Cholin of Carnel B. A. Rolls

Rite of Vengeance Deborah Wheeler

Bloodstone Mary Frances Zambreno

Sword Singer Laura J. Underwood

Stormbringer Steve Tymon

Sorceress of the Gulls Dave Smeds

Runaways Josepha Sherman

The Golden Egg Morning Glory Zell

Revised Standard Virgin Rick Cook

Dragon Lovers Cynthia Drolet

Another clean miss for me....


754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)

Introduction Martin H. Greenberg

Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse

In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
Mercury.

I have fond memories of this. I wonder if I own a copy?


Clerical Error Mark Clifton

Silent Brother Algis Budrys

The Country of the Kind Damon Knight

Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster

This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
kind of ecological crisis, I think.


Rite of Passage Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore

The Man Who Came Early Poul Anderson

Can a modern man find a niche in Viking society?

Makes an interesting counter-point to stuff like ISLANDS IN THE
SEA OF TIME or LEST DARKNESS FALL.


A Work of Art [Art-Work] James Blish

Horrer Howce Margaret St. Clair

Compounded Interest Mack Reynolds

An inventor finds an innovative way to fund his research.

The Doorstop Reginald Bretnor

The Last Question Isaac Asimov

It's a bit like Brown's "Question" but more upbeat.

Stranger Station Damon Knight

2066: Election Day Michael Shaara

And Now the News... Theodore Sturgeon

755 Jennifer Roberson Sword-Singer

The second Tiger & Del novel.


756 Sharon Green Mists of the Ages

I missed this.


757 Zach Hughes Life Force

I missed this.


758 Jo Clayton Shadow of the Warmaster

And this. Non-series?


759 C.J. Cherryh Smuggler's Gold

The foruth Merovingian Nights shared world anthology and yet
another one that I never even saw.


760 Karl Edward Wagner Year's Best Horror Stories: XVI

Introduction: They're Here--And They Wont Go Away Karl Edward Wagner

Popsy Stephen King

Neighbourhood Watch Greg Egan

Egan? This early?


Wolf/Child Jane Yolen

Everything to Live For

Repossession David Campton

Merry May Ramsey Campbell

The Touch Wayne Allen Sallee

Moving Day R. Chetwynd-Hayes

La Nuit des Chiens Leslie Halliwell

Echoes from the Abbey Sheila Hodgson

Visitors Jack M. Dann

The Bellfounders Wife A. F. Kidd

The Scar Dennis Etchison

Martyr Without Canon t. Winter-Damon

The Thin People Brian Lumley

Fat Face Michael Shea

Another clean miss for me.


761 Marion Zimmer Bradley Four Moons of Darkover

Introduction Marion Zimmer Bradley

The Jackel Vera Nazarian

Deaths Scepter Joan Marie Verba

A Kings Ransom Kay Morgan Douglas

Man of Impulse Marion Zimmer Bradley

Swarm Song Roxana Pierson

Out of Ashes Patricia B. Cirone

My Fathers Son Meg Mac Donald

House Rules Marion Zimmer Bradley

To Challenge Fate Sandra C. Morrese

The Devourer Within Margaret L. Carter

Sin Catenas Elisabeth Waters

Circles G. R. Sixbury

Festival Night Dorothy J. Heydt

A Laughing Matter Rachel Walker

Mourning Audrey J. Fulton

The Death of Brendon Ensolare Deborah Wheeler

Sort of Chaos Millea Kenin

Another Darkover anthology.


762 Charles Ingrid Celestial Hit List

The third Sand Wars novel.


763 Arthur W. Saha The Year's Best Fantasy Stories: 14

Introduction Arthur W. Saha

Nights Daughter, Days Desire [Flat Earth] Tanith Lee

The Little Magic Shop Bruce Sterling

Transients Darrell Schweitzer

The Snow Apples Gwyneth Jones

The Glassblowers Dragon Lucius Shepard

The Apotheosis of Isaac Rosen Jack M. & Jeanne Van Buren Dann

Buffalo Gals, Wont You Come Out Tonight Ursula K. Le Guin

Waiting for a Bus [Binscombe] John Whitbourn

Happy Hour J. N. Williamson

Ever After Susan Palwick

A Little of What You Fancy Mary Catherine McDaniel

Inky Jayge Carr

Maxie Silas Augustine Funnell

This was the last anthology in this series. Once again, it's a
clean miss for me.


764 Melanie Rawn Dragon Prince

The first Dragon Prince novel.


765 Alan Bard Newcomer Spell Singers (Original Title: Bardic
Voices 1)

Introduction Alan Bard Newcomer

Balance Mercedes R. Lackey

Dragons Teeth Mercedes R. Lackey

Bitch [Lythande] Marion Zimmer Bradley

Of Honor and the Lion Jennifer Roberson

The Walker Behind [Lythande] Marion Zimmer Bradley

Two-Edged Choice Ru Emerson

This isn't quite the same line-up as in BARDIC VOICES 1 but close.


766 Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh & Frank McSherry Red Jack

Somebodys Following You... Frank D. McSherry, Jr.

The Prowler in the City at the Edge of the World Harlan Ellison

Sagittarius Ray Russell

The Whitechapel Wantons Vincent McConnor

A Study in Terror [Ellery Queen; Sherlock Holmes] Ellery Queen

The Lodger Marie Belloc Lowndes

The Final Stone William F. Nolan

Jacks Little Friend Ramsey Campbell

Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper Robert Bloch

This is a Jack the Ripper themed collection. I hate Jack the Ripper
stories as a rule (I only saw FROM HELL because Johnny Depp and Robbie
Coltrane were in it) so I have not read these.

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Michael S. Schiffer

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>...

> Delenda Est [Manse Everard (Time Patrol)] Poul Anderson
>
> The Time Patrol must set history right, except as I recall
> there
> is some evidence that it is the Time Patrol timeline that is the
> variation.
>...

IIRC, the last bit is from "The Only Game in Town" (Everard meets
Mongols in North America) rather than "Delenda Est" (Everard visits a
timeline in which Carthage beat Rome).

Mike

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>
>
> The Darfsteller Walter M. Miller, Jr.
>
> I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
> one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.

Yes. A very early Hugo winner.


>
>
> The Cave of Night James E. Gunn

>


> Nobody Bothers Gus [as by Paul Janvier] Algis Budrys

Superhumans superprotected by superobscurity. I think there were related
stories, but I've never seen one.

> Dreaming Is a Private Thing Isaac Asimov

Dreams as a commerical art form.

> Oil of Dog Ambrose Bierce

I *think* this is the story that begins "When I was eight years old I killed
both my mother and father, something that made a great impression on me at
the time."

>
> The Iron Chancellor Robert Silverberg
>
> This is an anthology of horror stories about food. I must have
> read a number of them (It is sadly easy to be a completist where Reamy
> is concerned) but the only one I recall in detail is the Silverberg,
> which features an AI who is determined to serve what it seems as the
> best interests of its owners.

Rather, avoid serving what it doesn't think is in their best interests.


>
> 754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>

> The Country of the Kind Damon Knight

His best story, period (well, perhaps tied with Stranger Station.)

>
> Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster
>
> This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
> kind of ecological crisis, I think.

Yes, a Hugo-winner. Rescue of a failed colony, though, not an ecological
crisis.

> A Work of Art [Art-Work] James Blish

Richard Strauss reborn. Or was he?
> Stranger Station Damon Knight

His best story, period (well, perhaps tied with Country of the Kind.)

> And Now the News... Theodore Sturgeon

One of the stories from an idea RAH gave him.


jpe...@qwest.net

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> 733 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov
> Presents the Great SF Stories, 17 (1955)
>

> 738 James B. Johnson Mindhopper


>
> I never saw this at all.

Nor did I... Odd, as DAW got excellent distribution in Seattle during
thi speriod.

>
> 739 Robert Adams, Pamela Adams & Martin H. Greenberg Hunger for Horror
>
> Introduction Pamela Crippen Adams

> They Bite Anthony Boucher

> This is an anthology of horror stories about food. I must have
> read a number of them (It is sadly easy to be a completist where Reamy
> is concerned) but the only one I recall in detail is the Silverberg,
> which features an AI who is determined to serve what it seems as the
> best interests of its owners.

The Boucher story terrified me when I first read it nearly forty years
ago. Now that I live in the desert, it creeps me out even more than it
did then...

> 749 Mickey Zucker Reichert Shadow Climber
>
> The second Bi-Frost Guardians book.

Still fun, ran out of steam in teh next book IIRC.

> 752 W. Michael Gear The Warriors of Spider
>
> The first Spiders book.

You say that like it should mean something... ;-) Seriously, I find
that I completely missed such monumentous events as the "Sand War" and
the "Spider books". However did this happen?


> 760 Karl Edward Wagner Year's Best Horror Stories: XVI
>
> Introduction: They're Here--And They Wont Go Away Karl Edward Wagner
>
> Popsy Stephen King
>
> Neighbourhood Watch Greg Egan
>
> Egan? This early?

Yep, and damned good even this early.

> Repossession David Campton

One of the great lost masters of the horror story. Someday I shall
publish a David Campton collection. Really, someday I shall...

> Moving Day R. Chetwynd-Hayes

Chetwynd-Hayes when not being silly can be pretty good.


> Echoes from the Abbey Sheila Hodgson

Sheila Hodgson has been collected by Ash-Tree Press, the book is well
worth seeking out.

> The Bellfounders Wife A. F. Kidd

Ditto for A.F. Kidd

> The Scar Dennis Etchison


> The Thin People Brian Lumley

Two excellent entries from two masters.
>
> Fat Face Michael Shea

I'm rather fond of this, but then I would be... (My imprint, Axolotl
Press was the original publisher).

> 762 Charles Ingrid Celestial Hit List
>
> The third Sand Wars novel.

These sound bad, but I'm tempted to seek them out...


>
> 763 Arthur W. Saha The Year's Best Fantasy Stories: 14
>
> Introduction Arthur W. Saha
>
> Nights Daughter, Days Desire [Flat Earth] Tanith Lee
>
> The Little Magic Shop Bruce Sterling
>
> Transients Darrell Schweitzer
>
> The Snow Apples Gwyneth Jones
>
> The Glassblowers Dragon Lucius Shepard
>
> The Apotheosis of Isaac Rosen Jack M. & Jeanne Van Buren Dann
>
> Buffalo Gals, Wont You Come Out Tonight Ursula K. Le Guin
>
> Waiting for a Bus [Binscombe] John Whitbourn
>
> Happy Hour J. N. Williamson
>
> Ever After Susan Palwick
>
> A Little of What You Fancy Mary Catherine McDaniel
>
> Inky Jayge Carr
>
> Maxie Silas Augustine Funnell
>
> This was the last anthology in this series. Once again, it's a
> clean miss for me.

The most memorable piece was the Whitbourn, and once again, Whitbourn
has been collected by Ash-Tree Press.

> 766 Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh & Frank McSherry Red Jack
>
> Somebodys Following You... Frank D. McSherry, Jr.
>
> The Prowler in the City at the Edge of the World Harlan Ellison
>
> Sagittarius Ray Russell
>
> The Whitechapel Wantons Vincent McConnor
>
> A Study in Terror [Ellery Queen; Sherlock Holmes] Ellery Queen
>
> The Lodger Marie Belloc Lowndes
>
> The Final Stone William F. Nolan
>
> Jacks Little Friend Ramsey Campbell
>
> Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper Robert Bloch
>
> This is a Jack the Ripper themed collection. I hate Jack the Ripper
> stories as a rule (I only saw FROM HELL because Johnny Depp and Robbie
> Coltrane were in it) so I have not read these.
>

This is where people can throw the accusation of "not a lot of thought
in composing the anthology" with some degree of accuracy. I can't
think of a more obvious selection of Ripper stories. That's not to say
that there aren't some good tales in here, there are some real gems;
but this book probably took all of half an hour to
map out.

Cheers,

John

www.darksidepress.com

Aaron Denney

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> "James Nicoll" <jdni...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Nobody Bothers Gus [as by Paul Janvier] Algis Budrys
>
> Superhumans superprotected by superobscurity. I think there were related
> stories, but I've never seen one.

Well, you wouldn't have, would you? Took a supreme effort of will to
get that one to light.

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James Nicoll

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In article <1179257518....@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,

jpe...@qwest.net <jpe...@qwest.net> wrote:
>On May 15, 1:02 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> 762 Charles Ingrid Celestial Hit List
>>
>> The third Sand Wars novel.
>
>These sound bad, but I'm tempted to seek them out...


On the one hand, those are not promising titles. On the other, is
it fair to judge a book published by _DAW_ on the basis of its title?

Anthony Nance

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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
> 733 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov
> Presents the Great SF Stories, 17 (1955)
>
> 1955 Introduction Martin H. Greenberg
>
> The Darfsteller Walter M. Miller, Jr.
>
> I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
> one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.

Yes, that's right.


> Nobody Bothers Gus [as by Paul Janvier] Algis Budrys

A superhuman feels the need to hide his powers, trying
hard to lead a lonely, mundanely average life. There
are sort-of-subtle implications that there are others
like him.


> 747 Donald A. Wollheim & Arthur W. Saha The 1988 Annual World's
> Best Science Fiction
>

> Second Going James Tiptree, Jr.

1987 is the year Alice Sheldon died. I think Second Going is the one
about a religion-charged alien contact, and the aliens are sort of like
octopuseseses.

> Dinosaurs Walter Jon Williams

1988 Hugo Nominee for Best Novelette. Winner was Buffalo Gals, Won't You
Come Out Tonight. Ursula K Le Guin, and the other nominees were
Dream Baby. Bruce McCallister
Flowers of Edo. Bruce Sterling
Rachel in Love. Pat Murphy

>
> 754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>

> Silent Brother Algis Budrys

As with the above, I think this was originally as Paul Janvier, too.
kDarn if Ican remmber the story right now, though.


> The Country of the Kind Damon Knight

Highly ostracized mutant who still feels like he's king of the world.


> Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster
>
> This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
> kind of ecological crisis, I think.

Yes to both - 1956 Best Novelette.


> And Now the News... Theodore Sturgeon

Man gets obsessed with, and then cut off from, the daily news.
When re-exposed, he decides to do smething about it.


> 760 Karl Edward Wagner Year's Best Horror Stories: XVI
>
> Introduction: They're Here--And They Wont Go Away Karl Edward Wagner
>

> Neighbourhood Watch Greg Egan
>
> Egan? This early?

Although the earliest stories in Axiomatic date to 1989, websites suggest
his earliest stuff appeared around 1983.


> 766 Martin H. Greenberg, Charles G. Waugh & Frank McSherry Red Jack
>

> Yours Truly, Jack the Ripper Robert Bloch
>
> This is a Jack the Ripper themed collection. I hate Jack the Ripper
> stories as a rule (I only saw FROM HELL because Johnny Depp and Robbie
> Coltrane were in it) so I have not read these.

Randy Money recommended the Bloch story a while back, and it is quite good.
Being written so early, it is also (generally) highly respected.

Tony

sigi...@yahoo.com

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On May 16, 12:02 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

> Delenda Est [Manse Everard (Time Patrol)] Poul Anderson
>
> The Time Patrol must set history right, except as I recall there
> is some evidence that it is the Time Patrol timeline that is the variation.

Anderson really began to find his voice around this time. It's good
stuff. And other than some eye-rolling gender bits (beautiful red-
headed love interest, check) it still reads pretty well today.


> Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
>
> In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
> small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
> Mercury.
>
> I have fond memories of this.

It's wonderful. One of the first SF stories I ever read, at the age
of nine or so. Pure adventure, of a sort not seen much these days.

James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.


> Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster
>
> This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
> kind of ecological crisis, I think.

Is this the one with the sphexes?


> The Man Who Came Early Poul Anderson
>
> Can a modern man find a niche in Viking society?
>
> Makes an interesting counter-point to stuff like ISLANDS IN THE
> SEA OF TIME or LEST DARKNESS FALL.

IMS it was written as a response to "Lest Darkness Fall". Anderson
liked the story but didn't believe it.

Again, finding his voice... One theme that would recur intermittently:
naive American-style optimism getting rapped on the knuckles by an
uncaring universe. It's no wonder he drifted away from Campbell.


> The Last Question Isaac Asimov
>
> It's a bit like Brown's "Question" but more upbeat.

Another great final line. These are probably getting harder to do as
time goes by.


> And Now the News... Theodore Sturgeon

Sturgeon in a pissy mood. There's some pretty language in this story,
but I've never been able to understand why some people consider it
major Sturgeon.


> Neighbourhood Watch Greg Egan
>
> Egan? This early?

Oh sure. Born 1961. By 1987 he'd written one (non-SF) novel and
about a book's worth of SF short stories.


> Fat Face Michael Shea

I've already mentioned this as one of the best recent Lovecraft
pastiches. Um, for broad values of "recent", obviously.


> The Little Magic Shop Bruce Sterling

Absolutely brilliant short piece by Sterling. He found a way to tell
a funny, touching and original story about that hoary old fantasy
chestnut, the little magic shop. (The bit where he crunches the can,
and then belches? Perfect.)


> Buffalo Gals, Wont You Come Out Tonight Ursula K. Le Guin

Good Ursula came back to us for a while in the '80s and '90s, and it
started with this excellent novella. Young girl falls into the
otherworld of Native American mythology. Lovely low-key fantasy of a
sort that's done rarely and usually not well. Recommended.


> This was the last anthology in this series. Once again, it's a
> clean miss for me.

The LeGuin, at least, has been anthologized umpty times. It's worth a
look even if you don't much like LeGuin.


Doug M.

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On May 15, 3:02 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> 731 C.J. Cherryh Exile's Gate
>
> This is the fourth Morgaine but although I own it, I don't think
> that I ever read it.

You should.

> 754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>

> The Country of the Kind Damon Knight

Pee-yu (holding nose)

> A Work of Art [Art-Work] James Blish

Richard Strauss is "reincarnated" in the 22nd century.

> Stranger Station Damon Knight

Man meets alien; angst occurs.

William George Ferguson

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On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:


>732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
>
> The third Heralds of the Queen novel.

In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.

--
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
(Bene Gesserit)

Lawrence Watt-Evans

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On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
wrote:

>The Darfsteller Walter M. Miller, Jr.


>
> I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
>one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.

It is.


>739 Robert Adams, Pamela Adams & Martin H. Greenberg Hunger for Horror
>
>
>Introduction Pamela Crippen Adams
>
>The Feast in the Abbey Robert Bloch
>
>Pickmans Model H. P. Lovecraft
>
>Shaggy Vengeance Robert Adams
>
>They Bite Anthony Boucher
>
>Share Alike Jerome Bixby & Joe E. Dean
>
>Oil of Dog Ambrose Bierce
>
>Beyond the Cleft Tom Reamy
>
>Gladyss Gregory John Anthony West
>
>The Same Old Grind Bill Pronzini
>
>The Enchanted Fruit Ramsey Campbell
>
>Elementals Stephen Vincent Benet
>
>The Cookie Lady Philip K. Dick
>
>The Malted Milk Monster William Tenn
>
>Rogue Tomato Michael Bishop
>
>The Iron Chancellor Robert Silverberg
>
> This is an anthology of horror stories about food.

Well, sorta. Some of these aren't so much about food as about biting
or eating.

I'm surprised King's "Survivor Type" isn't in there; I suppose they
couldn't afford it.


>747 Donald A. Wollheim & Arthur W. Saha The 1988 Annual World's
> Best Science Fiction

Which, you will notice, doesn't include the Hugo winner for the year.
Hmph.

--
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Gene Ward Smith

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May 15, 2007, 4:41:38 PM5/15/07
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William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:nc5k435be97t0g3ie...@4ax.com:

> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll)
> wrote:
>
>
>>732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
>>
>> The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
>
> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly
> kills a lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.
>

You don't seem to get it. You aren't supposed to cry when the evil bad
guys get killed, but it's OK when the good guys get killed, which also
happens.

Konrad Gaertner

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May 15, 2007, 4:53:56 PM5/15/07
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James Nicoll wrote:

> 750 Mercedes Lackey Oathbound
>
> The first Vows and Honor book.

Collection of short stories, several (all?) of which first
appeared in the _Sword and Sorceress_ anthologies.

--
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http://kgbooklog.livejournal.com/
"You are nothing if not thorough in your self-congratulatory made-up
logic." "I'm rather humble that way." -- Sanderson, _Warbreaker_

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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May 15, 2007, 5:13:36 PM5/15/07
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In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>,

James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>
>733 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov
> Presents the Great SF Stories, 17 (1955)
>
> I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
>one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.
>

Actors replaced by androids. One guy decides to do something about it.

>Grandpa James H. Schmitz
>
> Survival on an alien world turns out to depend on understanding
>details of the local ecology.

Available here:

http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671319841/0671319841.htm


>
>
>Dreaming Is a Private Thing Isaac Asimov

Some people have the gift that their dreams are interesting to others.
Still remember something like "And did you catch that hint of pillows
when we flew through the cloud?"

>
>754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>

>Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster

>
> This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
>kind of ecological crisis, I think.


Incorporated into the fixup _Colonial Survey_ and avilable here:

http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0743471628/0743471628__15.htm


>
>The Last Question Isaac Asimov
>
> It's a bit like Brown's "Question" but more upbeat.

Kind of echoes Campbell's 'Stuart' "Make me a curious machine" story.


Ted

William December Starr

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May 15, 2007, 5:24:05 PM5/15/07
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In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:

> The Star [Star of Bethlehem] Arthur C. Clarke

Is whoever compiled the list that you're using of the belief that
"Star of Bethlehem" is a series?

> The Iron Chancellor Robert Silverberg
>

> [...] the only one I recall in detail is the Silverberg, which


> features an AI who is determined to serve what it seems as the
> best interests of its owners.

And gosh, only eleven years after Williamson's "With Folded Hands."

--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

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May 15, 2007, 5:36:53 PM5/15/07
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In article <f2d8dl$ug$1...@panix2.panix.com>,

That's not a really accurate summary of the plot. Everyone would be
happy if the Humanoids have their way. Everyone will be dead if the IC
does.

Ted

Mike Schilling

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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
>> The Iron Chancellor Robert Silverberg
>>
>> [...] the only one I recall in detail is the Silverberg, which
>> features an AI who is determined to serve what it seems as the
>> best interests of its owners.
>
> And gosh, only eleven years after Williamson's "With Folded Hands."

The Silverberg is funny, though. Geez, what was the last time he wrote
anything funny?


William George Ferguson

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:56 -0500, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com>
wrote:

>James Nicoll wrote:
>
>> 750 Mercedes Lackey Oathbound
>>
>> The first Vows and Honor book.
>
>Collection of short stories, several (all?) of which first
>appeared in the _Sword and Sorceress_ anthologies.

It's a fixup, incorportating about 4 of the short stories along with about
an equal amount of original content. It's set up as a novel, not as a
collection. For some insane reason, it didn't incorporate Sword-Sworn, the
story that sets up the whole Tarma/Kethry dynamic.

William Hyde

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On May 15, 3:58 pm, sigidu...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 16, 12:02 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>

> > Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
>
> > In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
> > small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
> > Mercury.
>
> > I have fond memories of this.
>
> It's wonderful. One of the first SF stories I ever read, at the age
> of nine or so. Pure adventure, of a sort not seen much these days.
>
> James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
> Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
> Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.

Well, it isn't a short story, but I do recall a novel with a long
passage, perhaps short story sized, about a journey on the surface of
Io which goes rather badly.

As to the quality of the story I cannot say, as the reading was
lubricated by a constant flow of cheap Italian "cognac", (VSOP, says
so right here on the label) it was long ago, and I no longer own the
volume in question.

It was written by one who might very well be the anti-Alan Nourse of
our day, Piers Anthony, and it was in his first "tyrant" book.

Piers as the answer to James' prayer? The mind boggles (and no, I
gave up on cheap Italian "cognac" decades ago).

William Hyde

Konrad Gaertner

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May 15, 2007, 10:50:58 PM5/15/07
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William George Ferguson wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:56 -0500, Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >James Nicoll wrote:
> >
> >> 750 Mercedes Lackey Oathbound
> >>
> >> The first Vows and Honor book.
> >
> >Collection of short stories, several (all?) of which first
> >appeared in the _Sword and Sorceress_ anthologies.
>
> It's a fixup, incorportating about 4 of the short stories along with about
> an equal amount of original content. It's set up as a novel, not as a
> collection. For some insane reason, it didn't incorporate Sword-Sworn, the
> story that sets up the whole Tarma/Kethry dynamic.

Really? I recall it reading like a collection (I even have a memory
of author's notes with the stories, but that could have been
_Oathblood_). I wonder if I've ever read that first story then; I
know I read Tarma's origin story there.

Checking ISFDB, I see that the story I remember having an author's
note was in _Oathblood_, which also includes "Sword-Sworn". Which
story was duplicated in both? I thought it was called "Threes",
but that's not listed for _Oathblood_.

Garrett Wollman

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In article <464A7192...@tx.rr.com>,
Konrad Gaertner <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:

>Checking ISFDB, I see that the story I remember having an author's
>note was in _Oathblood_, which also includes "Sword-Sworn". Which
>story was duplicated in both? I thought it was called "Threes",
>but that's not listed for _Oathblood_.

The duplicated stories are "Turnabout" (which is the one you're
thinking of, and about which Lackey smugly comments, "Can I recycle or
what?") and "Keys". There are some very minor differences in the
published versions owing to the nature of the original publication
versus the fixup.

(Should I be embarrassed to admit that I not only had both books
easily at hand but had actually re-read them in the past week? The
bookcase I'm sitting next to, which is pretty near full, starts with
almost two full shelves of Lackey -- even the bad ones -- and the
entire rest of the alphabet fits in the remaining four and a fifth,
including a good number of people who I consider far better writers
but who are sadly far less prolific.)

-GAWollman

--
Garrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are
wol...@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness

Robert A. Woodward

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May 16, 2007, 1:35:27 AM5/16/07
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In article <nc5k435be97t0g3ie...@4ax.com>,

William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>
> >732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
> >
> > The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
>
> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
> lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.

"cold-bloodedly"?

--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>

Robert A. Woodward

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May 16, 2007, 1:54:50 AM5/16/07
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In article
<1179259082.2...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
sigi...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On May 16, 12:02 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>

<Snip>

> > Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
> >
> > In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
> > small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
> > Mercury.
> >
> > I have fond memories of this.
>
> It's wonderful. One of the first SF stories I ever read, at the age
> of nine or so. Pure adventure, of a sort not seen much these days.
>
> James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
> Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
> Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.
>

What about Geoffrey Landis's "A Walk in the Sun"?

>
> > Exploration Team [Colonial Survey] Murray Leinster
> >
> > This won a Hugo, didn't it? A man and his bear deal with some
> > kind of ecological crisis, I think.
>
> Is this the one with the sphexes?
>

I think so.

>
> > The Man Who Came Early Poul Anderson
> >
> > Can a modern man find a niche in Viking society?
> >
> > Makes an interesting counter-point to stuff like ISLANDS IN THE
> > SEA OF TIME or LEST DARKNESS FALL.
>
> IMS it was written as a response to "Lest Darkness Fall". Anderson
> liked the story but didn't believe it.
>
> Again, finding his voice... One theme that would recur intermittently:
> naive American-style optimism getting rapped on the knuckles by an
> uncaring universe. It's no wonder he drifted away from Campbell.
>

He always sold stories elsewhere (in fact, I think he sold more
stories to _Planet Stories_ in the early 50s than to _Astounding_
and _F&SF_ published a bunch in the 50s as well).

David Goldfarb

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In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>The Star [Star of Bethlehem] Arthur C. Clarke

Is this implying that there's some kind of series called "Star
of Bethlehem"? That strikes me as a bit silly.

>754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)

>The Last Question Isaac Asimov
>
> It's a bit like Brown's "Question" but more upbeat.

You mean Brown's "Answer", I think.

--
David Goldfarb |"It doesn't matter. Don't you see? Nothing matters!"
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Fredric Brown, "Come and Go Mad"

Carol Hague

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May 16, 2007, 8:13:56 AM5/16/07
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William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>
> >732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
> >
> > The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
>
> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
> lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.

A lifelong mentor who was planning to kill Elspeth's mother and to marry
Elspeth off to the prince who ordered Talia raped, etc.

He was also trying to kill Talia at the time. (Legend paperback p.236)

And it's hardly col -blooded either - she's described as "white-faced
and shaking" and almost hysterical immediately afterwards (Legend
paperback pp.236- 237)

He was lucky to get a quick death if you ask me.

--
Carol
"The glassblower's cat is bompstable"
- Dorothy L. Sayers, _Clouds of Witness_

Eddie Brown

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May 16, 2007, 9:26:39 AM5/16/07
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James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <1179257518....@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> jpe...@qwest.net <jpe...@qwest.net> wrote:
>> On May 15, 1:02 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>> 762 Charles Ingrid Celestial Hit List
>>>
>>> The third Sand Wars novel.
>> These sound bad, but I'm tempted to seek them out...
>
>
> On the one hand, those are not promising titles. On the other, is
> it fair to judge a book published by _DAW_ on the basis of its title?
>
I think I read the first 3 of the Sand Wars novels. As I remember they
are about the last surviving member of an elite power armor force that
was wiped out by being infested with the eggs of a unknown alien race.
The main character is able to form a symbiotic relationship with his
alien egg and both of them set out to find who was behind it all.


Eddie

James Nicoll

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In article <f2el7r$30ua$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,

David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>The Star [Star of Bethlehem] Arthur C. Clarke
>
>Is this implying that there's some kind of series called "Star
>of Bethlehem"? That strikes me as a bit silly.

Varient titles?


>>754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
>> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>>The Last Question Isaac Asimov
>>
>> It's a bit like Brown's "Question" but more upbeat.
>
>You mean Brown's "Answer", I think.

So I do.

James Nicoll

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>On May 16, 12:02 am, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>
>> Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
>>
>> In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
>> small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
>> Mercury.
>>
>> I have fond memories of this.
>
>It's wonderful. One of the first SF stories I ever read, at the age
>of nine or so. Pure adventure, of a sort not seen much these days.
>
>James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
>Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
>Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.

Have you seen this?

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000972/

netcat

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May 16, 2007, 11:04:10 AM5/16/07
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In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
>
> 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
>
> Introduction
>
> Centaurus Changeling

Seems like an early version of the universe where Darkover is also
placed. An Earth colony that was "forgotten" for a long while, colonists
found out the hard way that pregnancy equalled near certain death, both
social and physical adaptations have occurred. The recent legate from
Earth has _not_ briefed his wife on this. Complications ensue.

> The Climbing Wave

Descendants of the founders of the first colonists return to Earth, to
find deserted cities and a seemingly rural idyll where no one is
interested in their mission and scientist is a dirty word. I found it
angeringly implausible.

The question one of the locals put to the expedition members was fun
though: "Didn't you like it where you were? There is only one reason
why people move from one place to another - and it seems to me that you
have overdone it"

> Exiles of Tomorrow

Well, this is what the subject says. In the future, people are punished
by exiling them into the past. Kind of forgettable, has been done
better.

> Death Between the Stars

This is where an Earthwoman is cooped up in transit with an alien who
dies due to rough takeoff, but not quite.

> Bird of Prey

Possibly one of my favourites by her. Good solid pulpy adventure,
featuring Dry Towns, undercover agents, bloodfeuds and exotic aliens on
Wolf (a proto-Darkover?) Not nearly as much fun in novel form.

> The Wind People

A female crewmember with a newborn has to stay behind on an unsettled
planet for her child's survival. Nothing good comes from romantic
entanglements with the fair folk of other planets, as well, I guess.

> The Wild One

A pretty good were story. Downer, though.

> Treason of the Blood

A pretty good vampire story.

> The Day of the Butterflies

A treehugger sort of fantasy-ish yarn. Begone, evil skyscrapers and
concrete! Lets all let our hair loose and run around naked in flowery
fields that will appear through sheer force of will and imagination!
When I read it I was probably in the most treehuggerish phase in my
life. Still thought it was extremely silly.

> Heros Moon

If Bradley has ever written hard sf, that would be it. A rather morose
story about a rescue and breaking regs.

> The Engine

Sometime in the unspecified future, it has been decided that unrelieved
sexual tension is the root of all evil. Everyone has to go in regularly
for automated "compensation". (Do privately-owned dildos not exist in
this world?) Only the system hasn't reckoned with some people _really_
not liking sex. At all. Sucks to be them.

> The Secret of the Blue Star [Lythande; Thieves World]

Where we learn Lythande's secret in the last sentence. Which would not
translate well in some languages.
The story that caused me to buy the collection in the first place. I
like it.

> To Keep the Oath [Darkover]

A Free Amazon helps to defend a tavern from bandits and has to decide
whether to tell about her order to a wronged girl, while she's sworn not
to proselytize, or something to that effect. I understand both
characters turn up in the Darkover novels sometime later.

> Elbow Room

There's a problem with manning the faraway space stations on account
that a single person will go crazy and many people will drive each other
crazy, no matter how carefully they are selected. The innovative (?)
solution turns out to be using people who already are crazy, that is -
have multiple personalities. Who do not know this.

> Blood Will Tell [Darkover]

A Darkovan love story. Dio Ridenow flirts with Lew Alton, who has been
scarred physically and psychologically in the Sharra uprising(?) Again,
apparently characters that are featured in the novels.


> Another anthology where I know I have read some of the title but
> recall none. Poul Anderson's name was enough to get me to buy THIEVES WORLD
> but nothing is enough to make me remember those stories.

It is a good overview of Bradley's short fiction from one of her first
stories to the Darkover stories written in eighties. Good variety. This
is the edition I have, the one from 1985 also included "The Jewel of
Arwen" and one from 1993 included both this and the more recent "Jamie".
Great cover art, also.

rgds,
netcat

Jacob W. Haller

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May 16, 2007, 11:39:16 AM5/16/07
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netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:

> In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
> >
> > 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
> >

[. . .]


> > Death Between the Stars
>
> This is where an Earthwoman is cooped up in transit with an alien who
> dies due to rough takeoff, but not quite.

This is included in the 'Women of Wonder: The Classic Years' anthology
(edited by Pamela Sargent), which I read not long ago. Looking at my
notes I see I somewhat ambivalently liked this story.

-jwgh

--
"Only in America could something like that not happen in America."
-- Matt McIrvin, 29 November 2005

jpe...@qwest.net

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On May 16, 9:04 am, netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> In article <f2d04e$c3...@panix2.panix.com>, jdnic...@panix.com says...

It sounds like this is a very different line-up from "The Best of MZB"
published by Academy Chicago... If so, kudos to MZB for getting at
least two "best of's" published during her lifetime. I think Clifford
D. Simak probably holds the record with something like four different
books purporting to be "best of" collections, but having two done is
still a noteworthy feat.

Lest anyone ask about Academy Chicago; far as I know they only did two
or three such titles. One, a "Best of" Margaret St. Clair is not only
difficult to find, but interesting in that it includes only one story
that I would have picked if I were doing a representative collection
of Ms. St. Clair's work. This isn't to say that I'm right and the
editor of the book is wrong, but considering her body of work it does
strike me as a very odd selection, I'd expect a lot more overlap than
*one* story.

Cheers,

John

Joe Bednorz

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On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:30:06 GMT, Mike Schilling wrote in
<2Tn2i.2756$y_7....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>:

>
>"James Nicoll" <jdni...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com...


>>
>>
>> The Darfsteller Walter M. Miller, Jr.
>>

>> I really need to go reread my Miller. I think this is the
>> one about acting in an actor-hostile environment.
>

>Yes. A very early Hugo winner.
>>
>>
>> The Cave of Night James E. Gunn


>
>>
>> Nobody Bothers Gus [as by Paul Janvier] Algis Budrys
>

>Superhumans superprotected by superobscurity. I think there were related
>stories, but I've never seen one.


>
>> Dreaming Is a Private Thing Isaac Asimov
>

>Dreams as a commerical art form.

A nearly explicit contrast between reading a book and watching a
movie. Reading being a more nuanced private experience while movie
viewing is a shared experience with "sloppier emotions." Perhaps a bit
dated on that score.

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| You exploit the game.
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David Given

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netcat wrote:
[...]

> Sometime in the unspecified future, it has been decided that unrelieved
> sexual tension is the root of all evil. Everyone has to go in regularly
> for automated "compensation". (Do privately-owned dildos not exist in
> this world?) Only the system hasn't reckoned with some people _really_
> not liking sex. At all. Sucks to be them.

The history of vibrators is fascinating and not nearly as long as you might
think, and unfortunately I'm at work and *really* don't want to do any web
searches on the subject. Wikipedia is safe enough, but only has about a paragraph:

The electrically powered vibrator was invented in the 1880s by Kelsey
Stinner. Doctors had been ostensibly treating women for "hysteria" for
centuries by performing what we would recognize as masturbation. However,
not only did they regard the "vulvular stimulation" required as having
nothing to do with sex, but reportedly found it time-consuming and hard
work. Stinner's vibrator got the job done more quickly and without such
efforts, and as such became an extremely popular medical device.

So there is at least some plausibility behind that plot!

(I remember seeing a picture of an early vibrator, and it being this huge
industrial machine with a couch under it with an unnerving little attachment...)

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Joe Bednorz

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On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, James Nicoll wrote in
<f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>:

>733 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov
> Presents the Great SF Stories, 17 (1955)
>
>
>Allamagoosa Eric Frank Russell
>
> One of very few stories involving anything like the quartermaster
>corps (Sandra McDonald's THE OUTBACK STARS, roughly 'Elizabeth Moon done
>right', would be a more serious take), this centers on something that will
>strike fear into any captain's heart: an audit.

Timeless. Won a Hugo for best short story.

Available here, courtesy scifi.com:
<http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/russell/russell1.html>


>754 Isaac Asimov & Martin H. Greenberg Isaac Asimov Presents
> the Great SF Stories, 18 (1956)
>

>Introduction Martin H. Greenberg


>
>Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
>
> In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
>small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
>Mercury.
>

> I have fond memories of this. I wonder if I own a copy?

It has a great final line.

James Nicoll

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>> Brightside Crossing Alan E. Nourse
>>
>> In the same spirit that causes blind men to climb Everest, a
>> small party of explorers try to cross the brightside of tide-locked
>> Mercury.
>>
>> I have fond memories of this.
>
>It's wonderful. One of the first SF stories I ever read, at the age
>of nine or so. Pure adventure, of a sort not seen much these days.
>
>James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
>Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
>Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.
>
Wouldn't that be like trying to advance under heavy artillery
fire for hundreds of kilometers, with the added benefit that the moon
is pretty much airless and well within Jupiter's Van Allen belts?

On the other hand, I did just see an interview with two guys
who tried to combine bungee-jumping with parachuting, with somewhat
mixed results.

Mike Schilling

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May 16, 2007, 1:50:06 PM5/16/07
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"James Nicoll" <jdni...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:f2fg28$5j4$1...@reader2.panix.com...

>
> On the other hand, I did just see an interview with two guys
> who tried to combine bungee-jumping with parachuting, with somewhat
> mixed results.

If the interview wasn't a seance, they came out OK.


William George Ferguson

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May 16, 2007, 1:54:45 PM5/16/07
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:35:27 -0700, "Robert A. Woodward"
<robe...@drizzle.com> wrote:

>In article <nc5k435be97t0g3ie...@4ax.com>,
> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
>> >
>> > The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
>>
>> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
>> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
>> lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.
>
>"cold-bloodedly"?

I just added the wheels to make it harder :)

James Nicoll

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May 16, 2007, 1:56:49 PM5/16/07
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In article <ivH2i.9092$rO7....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
After a stay in hospital and some rehab, sure. The one who
landed hardest wasn't willing to try it again.

What learned from that interview and the video of the event is
that if you come plummeting out of the sky into the ground in front of
on-lookers, ask for help with some phrase other than "Give him a hand!"

William George Ferguson

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On Wed, 16 May 2007 13:13:56 +0100, ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote:

>William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
>> >
>> > The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
>>
>> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
>> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
>> lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.
>
>A lifelong mentor who was planning to kill Elspeth's mother and to marry
>Elspeth off to the prince who ordered Talia raped, etc.
>
>He was also trying to kill Talia at the time. (Legend paperback p.236)
>
>And it's hardly col -blooded either - she's described as "white-faced
>and shaking" and almost hysterical immediately afterwards (Legend
>paperback pp.236- 237)

She was pretty cold-blooded when she threw the knives. She started the
emotions immediately afterward (when they wouldn't interfere with her aim).
I did leave out that as Herald, Heir, and acting Regent in her mother's
absence on the battlefield, she was acting completely within the law.

Oh and that her nickname through the first 10 years of yer life was 'The
Brat' (not all that 'sweet').

And that her future spouse once described her as 'she doesn't just hold a
grudge, she clasps it lovingly to her bosom'.

>He was lucky to get a quick death if you ask me.

Lord Orthallon was the first example that Lackey really sucked at writing
bad guys. She didn't write her first interesting 'bad guy' until the Storm
books (not Tremaine, Melles).

Dorothy J Heydt

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In article <MPG.20b549d3c...@news.octanews.com>,

netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
>>
>> 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
>>
>> Introduction
>>
>> Centaurus Changeling
>
>Seems like an early version of the universe where Darkover is also
>placed. An Earth colony that was "forgotten" for a long while, colonists
>found out the hard way that pregnancy equalled near certain death, both
>social and physical adaptations have occurred. The recent legate from
>Earth has _not_ briefed his wife on this. Complications ensue.

That was Marion's first published story, and Anthony Boucher
worked long and hard on it with her to make it saleable. IIRC
the original problem on Megaera was bizarre magnetic or
gravitational effects from the planet's moons; Boucher got her to
make it unspecified chemical components of the atmosphere.

(Darkover is mentioned because Marion was already working on the
Darkover stories then: they developed from an amorphouse mass of
teenage Lovecraft/Chambers fanfic. Hence the names Hastur,
Camilla, Cassilda, Hali, etc. etc.)
>
.....


>
>> Bird of Prey
>
>Possibly one of my favourites by her. Good solid pulpy adventure,
>featuring Dry Towns, undercover agents, bloodfeuds and exotic aliens on
>Wolf (a proto-Darkover?) Not nearly as much fun in novel form.

Yes.

Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com

William George Ferguson

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May 16, 2007, 2:36:28 PM5/16/07
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netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:

>In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
>>
>> 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
>>
>> Introduction

>> Bird of Prey
>
>Possibly one of my favourites by her. Good solid pulpy adventure,
>featuring Dry Towns, undercover agents, bloodfeuds and exotic aliens on
>Wolf (a proto-Darkover?) Not nearly as much fun in novel form.

Which novel form? :)
This short story is the source of two novels, Falcons of Narabedla (the
expansion of the short story) and Winds of Darkover (the same story set on
Darkover). The second was supposed to be Wings of Darkover but a typo
occurred at the publisher.

>> Blood Will Tell [Darkover]
>
>A Darkovan love story. Dio Ridenow flirts with Lew Alton, who has been
>scarred physically and psychologically in the Sharra uprising(?) Again,
>apparently characters that are featured in the novels.

Massively. Lew Alton is the primary protagonist of the first written
Darkover story, Sword of Aldones, and the Sharra uprising is the major
backstory piece of the book. Many years later, Bradley told the story of
Sharra's uprising in Heritage of Hastur, and then went back and rewrote
Sword of Aldones to fit with it, as Sharra's Exile (Sharra is a fire
goddess, or demon, in the Darkover pantheon, Aldones is the head god, and
Hastur is his son).

Blood Will Tell was written for one of the Friends of Darkover anthologies,
to explain how Lew Alton and Dio Ridenow knew each other at the beginning
of Sword of Aldones.

Gene Ward Smith

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May 16, 2007, 2:41:16 PM5/16/07
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William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:jdhm43tlo9k3spi9g...@4ax.com:

> Lord Orthallon was the first example that Lackey really sucked at
> writing bad guys.

I guess you're not a Darth Sidious fan.

netcat

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May 16, 2007, 2:45:33 PM5/16/07
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In article <1179332781....@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jpe...@qwest.net says...

> It sounds like this is a very different line-up from "The Best of MZB"
> published by Academy Chicago... If so, kudos to MZB for getting at
> least two "best of's" published during her lifetime. I think Clifford
> D. Simak probably holds the record with something like four different
> books purporting to be "best of" collections, but having two done is
> still a noteworthy feat.

Hmm.. no, it's the exact same line-up, as I said, just that the 1993
short story "Jamie" (which I haven't read) is included as the first
story in the collection, and "The Jewel of Arwen" somewhere in the
middle. Otherwise, the same 15 stories that were in the DAW collection,
in the same order. Oh, and no flashy cover art, apparently. And a new
introduction by the author.

rgds,
netcat

Dorothy J Heydt

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May 16, 2007, 2:44:47 PM5/16/07
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In article <81jm4356e4ljr6pt2...@4ax.com>,

William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
>>In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
>>>
>>> 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
>>>
>>> Introduction
>>> Bird of Prey
>>
>>Possibly one of my favourites by her. Good solid pulpy adventure,
>>featuring Dry Towns, undercover agents, bloodfeuds and exotic aliens on
>>Wolf (a proto-Darkover?) Not nearly as much fun in novel form.
>
>Which novel form? :)
>This short story is the source of two novels, Falcons of Narabedla (the
>expansion of the short story) and Winds of Darkover (the same story set on
>Darkover). The second was supposed to be Wings of Darkover but a typo
>occurred at the publisher.

Yup. The contract, when sent back for Marion to sign, read
"Winds of Darkover" so she shrugged and wrote in a Ghost Wind
scene.

netcat

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In article <81jm4356e4ljr6pt2...@4ax.com>,
wmgf...@newsguy.com says...

> netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>
> >In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>, jdni...@panix.com says...
> >>
> >> 741 Marion Zimmer Bradley The Best of Marion Zimmer Bradley
> >>
> >> Introduction
> >> Bird of Prey
> >
> >Possibly one of my favourites by her. Good solid pulpy adventure,
> >featuring Dry Towns, undercover agents, bloodfeuds and exotic aliens on
> >Wolf (a proto-Darkover?) Not nearly as much fun in novel form.
>
> Which novel form? :)
> This short story is the source of two novels, Falcons of Narabedla (the
> expansion of the short story) and Winds of Darkover (the same story set on
> Darkover). The second was supposed to be Wings of Darkover but a typo
> occurred at the publisher.

Well, I haven't read either of these, but according to MZB herself,
"Bird of Prey" was expanded into DOOR THROUGH SPACE, not the novels
you've mentioned. There were _no_ falcons I can recall in the "Bird of
Prey", it was an altogether different kind of bird that did the
"preying", a mechanical one. From googling for summaries, FALCONS OF
NARABEDLA seems not to have anything to do with this short story. If WIN
(D|G)S is a rewrite of it, then logically it also has nothing to do with
this short story.


rgds,
netcat

Carol Hague

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May 16, 2007, 3:23:52 PM5/16/07
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William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 May 2007 13:13:56 +0100, ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) wrote:
>
> >William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 May 2007 15:02:38 -0400, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >732 Mercedes Lackey Arrow's Fall
> >> >
> >> > The third Heralds of the Queen novel.
> >>
> >> In which our earnest young heroine, Talia, is raped, tortured, and
> >> crippled, and her charge, sweet 16 year old Elspeth, cold-bloodedly kills a
> >> lifelong mentor and writes it off as an execution.
> >
> >A lifelong mentor who was planning to kill Elspeth's mother and to marry
> >Elspeth off to the prince who ordered Talia raped, etc.
> >
> >He was also trying to kill Talia at the time. (Legend paperback p.236)
> >
> >And it's hardly col -blooded either - she's described as "white-faced
> >and shaking" and almost hysterical immediately afterwards (Legend
> >paperback pp.236- 237)
>
> She was pretty cold-blooded when she threw the knives. She started the
> emotions immediately afterward (when they wouldn't interfere with her aim).

I think you'll find that happens a lot in real life crises - people do
what they have to to deal with them and the shock sets in later. Because
if the shock takes over *during* the crisis you might not survive it.

> I did leave out that as Herald, Heir, and acting Regent in her mother's
> absence on the battlefield, she was acting completely within the law.
>
> Oh and that her nickname through the first 10 years of yer life was 'The
> Brat' (not all that 'sweet').

She was manipulated to be that way by an agent of a foreign government.
I'd say her mother was more to blame for that, for not spotting what was
happening and nipping it in the bud.

> And that her future spouse once described her as 'she doesn't just hold a
> grudge, she clasps it lovingly to her bosom'.

OK, I'll grant you that one.

David Goldfarb

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May 16, 2007, 7:09:53 PM5/16/07
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In article <f2f1un$iv2$1...@reader2.panix.com>,

James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <f2el7r$30ua$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
>David Goldfarb <gold...@OCF.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
>>In article <f2d04e$c3b$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>The Star [Star of Bethlehem] Arthur C. Clarke
>>
>>Is this implying that there's some kind of series called "Star
>>of Bethlehem"? That strikes me as a bit silly.
>
> Variant titles?

Good heavens, I hope nobody ever printed "The Star" under the
title of "Star of Bethlehem". That would be like titling
_Murder on the Orient Express_, _Murder By Committee_.

--
David Goldfarb | "Boom. Sooner or later. Boom!"
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu |
gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | -- Babylon 5, "Grail"

sigi...@yahoo.com

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On May 16, 10:46 pm, jdnic...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

["Brightside Crossing"]

> >James, this goes back to your _cri de couer_ about Solar System SF.
> >Surely it should be possible to write stories like this in the modern
> >Solar System! Cripes, imagine someone trying this on Io.
>
> Wouldn't that be like trying to advance under heavy artillery
> fire for hundreds of kilometers, with the added benefit that the moon
> is pretty much airless and well within Jupiter's Van Allen belts?

I don't think the bombardment would be the biggest problem,
necessarily.

But the radiation... well, it's not just that it's radioactive enough
to kill you in minutes. It's that you have at least three distinct
sorts of radioactivity (alpha, beta, and X-ray) plus who knows what
kinds of secondary electromagnetic effects.

Also, quakes. Orbital imaging would let you avoid the worst hot spots
and lava flows, but the quakes would be pretty random.

You mentioned the blind guy climbing Everest. I've mentioned the
people who want to parachute from over 100,000 feet.

You know someone would try this.


Doug M.

James Nicoll

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May 17, 2007, 9:40:19 AM5/17/07
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In article <1179392107.6...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Oh, yes.

Extreme sports strike me as one of the few plausible reasons
people might visit other worlds.

David Given

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May 17, 2007, 9:44:34 AM5/17/07
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sigi...@yahoo.com wrote:
[...]

> But the radiation... well, it's not just that it's radioactive enough
> to kill you in minutes. It's that you have at least three distinct
> sorts of radioactivity (alpha, beta, and X-ray) plus who knows what
> kinds of secondary electromagnetic effects.

I'm reminded of _2010_ (the book), where after Lucifer lights up Io becomes
*really* interesting, and the narrator muses that 'he knew some Texas oilmen
who would want to try it just out of general principles'...

James Nicoll

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May 17, 2007, 9:50:21 AM5/17/07
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In article <f2hm02$nen$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
The others being scientific curiousity and (assuming a century or
so of slow progress) variations on the Very Angry Guy colony model, from
Tar Paper Shacks in the Kuiper to Blackfriars on 172 Baucis.

David DeLaney

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May 17, 2007, 12:29:15 PM5/17/07
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James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:

>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Extreme sports strike me as one of the few plausible reasons
>>people might visit other worlds.
>
> The others being scientific curiousity and (assuming a century or
>so of slow progress) variations on the Very Angry Guy colony model, from
>Tar Paper Shacks in the Kuiper to Blackfriars on 172 Baucis.

And don't forget rich tourists. If it's getting people into space now, it'll
get them to other planets later.

Dave "and then the Hilton company will build a hotel on the moon, and we're
off" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

William December Starr

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May 17, 2007, 12:33:16 PM5/17/07
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In article <f2hm02$nen$1...@reader2.panix.com>,
jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:

> Extreme sports strike me as one of the few plausible reasons
> people might visit other worlds.

With things like "Bandersnatch hunting" being a sub-category of
that, should appropriate life-forms be found to exist somewhere?

(Yes, I do realize that unless there's something Really Interesting
that we don't know about our solar system I've expanded the venue
here to "interstellar.")

--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

Peter Meilinger

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May 17, 2007, 12:53:45 PM5/17/07
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On May 17, 1:55 am, sigidu...@yahoo.com wrote:

> You mentioned the blind guy climbing Everest. I've mentioned the
> people who want to parachute from over 100,000 feet.
>
> You know someone would try this.

A measly 100,000 feet? For an OBSF mention of extreme
sports from I think before the term had caught on, look
to Roger McBride Allen's The Torch of Honor. Orbital
habitats had one-man re-entry pods to be used only
in the case of extreme emergency. They had what
was hoped to be enough shielding to get the occupant
into the atmosphere, then they opened up into a
para-sail. There were, of course, people who used
them for fun. And they were used in the story during
the "Board the Space-Nazis Flying Fortress" scene.

I always thought that scene would look great on
film. A bunch of pissed off Finns parachuting in
from orbit to take back their world.

Pete

David Given

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May 18, 2007, 7:17:14 AM5/18/07
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Peter Meilinger wrote:
[...]

> I always thought that scene would look great on
> film. A bunch of pissed off Finns parachuting in
> from orbit to take back their world.

James T Kirk enjoys orbital skydiving when he's not saving the universe as we
know it, and I believe has done so for decades.

David Johnston

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May 25, 2007, 4:07:02 PM5/25/07
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 15:53:56 -0500, Konrad Gaertner
<kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote:

>James Nicoll wrote:
>
>> 750 Mercedes Lackey Oathbound
>>
>> The first Vows and Honor book.
>
>Collection of short stories, several (all?) of which first
>appeared in the _Sword and Sorceress_ anthologies.

They were better before being integrated into Valdemar.

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