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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince (SPOILERS)

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Endy9

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Aug 6, 2005, 7:04:34 PM8/6/05
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Finally finished so I can join the conversation. I give this book ***** out
of five stars.

I rate this right up there with Prisoner of Azkaban as the best books in the
series. She seemed to find focus again not to drift off from the main plot
for too long in this one. It was as tightly written as PoA.

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I believe Dumbledore is dead permanently. I too held out hope it was some
plot of his and Snape's, but when the snoring photograph showed up in the
headmaster's office, I think it sealed any hope of Dumbledore coming back.
I wonder how much the Picture Dumbledore can continue to instruct Harry, if
at all.

I agree with the theory that Snape killed Dumbledore because of the vow he
took and that he will be revealed to have been on the side of right after
all. I don't know what he can do that will convince Harry and the others
that he is on the side of right. Harry hates him too much even for self
sacrifice to redeem him. Perhaps Harry will find more memories in the
Pensieve that make him sympathetic towards Snape.

I think the key to book 7, will be, who will teach Harry Occulemspy? (sp?)
Snape was definitely trying to save Harry and to give him a hint at what he
will need to do to win the final fight with Voldemort or even against
himself (snape). I was thinking Harry's 7th year at school would focus on
this, but since he will be on the road searching for Horcruxes, or if at
school only searching for Horcruxes there not attending classes, I can't see
him learning there. Perhaps he will meet someone who will tutor him.

I don't see Snape as the type to accidentally leave his old Potions book
lying
around. Did he leave it to teach Harry some dark spells he would learn no
where else and need in the final battles?

I also think the end will have something to do with "love". Will Harry show
Draco mercy and Draco help Harry in the end against Voldemort?

I personally liked all the relationship stuff. I was disappointed after
Chamber of Secrets when Ginny's crush on Harry wasn't continued. From the
second book on, I thought, there is his future wife.

Great book. Now the long wait for the finale.

Also, I would have subtitled this book "The Changing of the Guard". From the
time Dumbledore showed up with the blackened hand, I suspected he would be
the one to die. Once he started transferring knowledge to Harry, it became
more obvious he was preparing a successor to lead the Order of the Phoenix.

One question. Why would Snape have chosen The Half Blood Prince as a title.
Seems like he would NOT have wanted to remind everyone he was half mudblood.

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Dennis/Endy
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Sea Wasp

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Aug 6, 2005, 9:24:48 PM8/6/05
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Endy9 wrote:
> Finally finished so I can join the conversation. I give this book ***** out
> of five stars.
>
> I rate this right up there with Prisoner of Azkaban as the best books in the
> series. She seemed to find focus again not to drift off from the main plot
> for too long in this one. It was as tightly written as PoA.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
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> I believe Dumbledore is dead permanently. I too held out hope it was some
> plot of his and Snape's, but when the snoring photograph showed up in the
> headmaster's office, I think it sealed any hope of Dumbledore coming back.

Why? There's absolutely no reason to believe the pictures can only be
made after death. Hell, Dumbledore was on gods only know HOW many
Chocolate Frog cards, and he moved, etc., in those.

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Sea Wasp
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Endy9

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Aug 6, 2005, 11:03:24 PM8/6/05
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"Sea Wasp" <seawasp...@obvioussgeinc.com> wrote in message
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True. The only way I can see him coming back is if he had a Horcrux. And
that just seems to violate how he felt about splitting the soul.


Sea Wasp

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Aug 6, 2005, 11:03:11 PM8/6/05
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> True. The only way I can see him coming back is if he had a Horcrux.

I only see it that way if he actually died by unplanned
misadventure. If he planned it, well, I've discussed it before;
clearly there's ways around his apparent demise if anyone thought
about it beforehand.

John H

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Aug 7, 2005, 2:51:18 AM8/7/05
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"Endy9" <endym...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I've been thinking along the same lines. Here's how I work it out;
Dumbledore didn't have a problem with horcruxes, he just had a problem with
how it was created. You need to kill someone to split the soul... what
happens if you decide to kill yourself? Dumbledore kills himself and places
a part of his soul into Harry (horcrux objects can be humans, right?).
This allows for everything you've wanted in Dumbledore, and lets Snapes off
the hook for killing him, while allowing him to keep a part of himself
around to protect Harry. Everyone but Harry will think he's dead... he can
do his Obi Wan thing for Harry, it fits, doesn't it?

john
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Cambias

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Aug 7, 2005, 10:03:11 AM8/7/05
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While all the speculation about How Dumbledore Isn't Really, uh,
spoiling is entertaining, it's completely missing the point.

Sure, Rowling could come up with any number of magebabble explanations
to justify having him turn up alive and well in the final book. But
it's _thematically necessary_ for Dumbledore to be dead.

The Harry Potter books constitute a long coming-of-age story. Harry
goes from a powerless and put-upon child to being a man and (we hope) a
hero. In this process he is guided and helped by his wise mentor. Now
that Harry's ready to take the last step, he has to do it without his
mentor holding his hand. Otherwise it stops being a coming-of-age
story.

Or to put it another way, if Rowling brings Dumbledore back from the
dead, it will be the biggest anticlimax since The Phantom Menace.

Cambias

A.G.McDowell

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Aug 7, 2005, 2:10:48 PM8/7/05
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In article <1123423391.6...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Cambias <cam...@heliograph.com> writes

>While all the speculation about How Dumbledore Isn't Really, uh,
>spoiling is entertaining, it's completely missing the point.
>
>Sure, Rowling could come up with any number of magebabble explanations
>to justify having him turn up alive and well in the final book. But
>it's _thematically necessary_ for Dumbledore to be dead.
(explanation of this trimmed)

There are a number of ways you can draw conclusions about events in the
Potterverse. I do indeed find it entertaining to attempt to reason on
the basis of the evidence we are given using the same toolbox that I
would have available in the real world, where thematic integrity cannot
be assumed. I don't feel that this is "missing the point" any more than
I have already missed it by devoting a week of my free time to the
evidence for and against Severus Snape as opposed, for instance, to
revising the theory of finite fields, or the identification of wading
birds, or the practice of SNMP network management.
--
A.G.McDowell

Damien Sullivan

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Aug 28, 2005, 4:33:26 AM8/28/05
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"Cambias" <cam...@heliograph.com> wrote:
>While all the speculation about How Dumbledore Isn't Really, uh,
>spoiling is entertaining, it's completely missing the point.
>
>Sure, Rowling could come up with any number of magebabble explanations
>to justify having him turn up alive and well in the final book. But
>it's _thematically necessary_ for Dumbledore to be dead.

OTOH, I half-feel that if you have a Phoenix lurking around, and being
someone's familiar, and possibly entombing itself with dead someone, it's
thematically necessary for something Phoenixy to happen. Especially if you
can work love into it somehow.

Oh, and unless they changed wands and I don't remember (quite possible), Harry
and Voldemort's wands both are built around feathers of that Phoenix. I know
that card was played once, but it could play again.

I'm okay with Dumbledore staying dead, but I think using phoenix symbology
that much is dealing youself a "get out of death free" card. And about as
subtle as a rocket launcher on the mantlepiece.

-xx- Damien X-)

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