Julian May: Pliocene Saga and Galactic Milieu
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and JTB. Some people seemed to think Atoning Unifex the Lylmik, is
Marc Remillard after 6 million years. Can somebody explain this ?
All I gather is that Marc and Elizabeth d-jumped to the Duat galaxy
at the end of Adversary. If Marc is the Lylmik, than who are the
other Lylmik (4 others I think) from JTB ?
Also some other puzzles :
Why did Marc give up his vision of Mental Man in favour of a "galactic
mind". I thought Marc wanted only _humans_ to be the dominant ultra-
metapsychic, so why settle for the Duat Tana/Firvulag ? Did Creyn give
him another Vision besides the pain-mitigator ?
What happened to Cloud and Hagen at Castle Gateway just after Marc
stopped them from suicide ? It wasn't clear to me if Marc put them
into the new Guderian Device (he pushed 4 people in, but who were
they ?) Did Marc take their "germ plasm"(whatever that is) like he
always wanted ?
Is Diamond Mask out yet ?
kenneth
John Leask
date...
spsun5!k...@aluxpo.att.com wrote:
> I probably way behind...but I've just finished the Pliocene series
> and JTB. Some people seemed to think Atoning Unifex the Lylmik, is
> Marc Remillard after 6 million years. Can somebody explain this ?
> All I gather is that Marc and Elizabeth d-jumped to the Duat galaxy
> at the end of Adversary. If Marc is the Lylmik, than who are the
> other Lylmik (4 others I think) from JTB ?
My impression was that the Lylmik are what became of the Duat
peoples - Marc and Elizabeth raised the to Operancy, and sometime
during the 6 million years they evolved into a fairly good
approximation of what Marc was trying to accelerate humanity into.
> Also some other puzzles :
>
> Why did Marc give up his vision of Mental Man in favour of a "galactic
> mind". I thought Marc wanted only _humans_ to be the dominant ultra-
> metapsychic, so why settle for the Duat Tana/Firvulag ? Did Creyn give
> him another Vision besides the pain-mitigator ?
I think the vision was of helping the Duat galaxy out of their
torc dead-end, into real operancy.
> What happened to Cloud and Hagen at Castle Gateway just after Marc
> stopped them from suicide ? It wasn't clear to me if Marc put them
> into the new Guderian Device (he pushed 4 people in, but who were
> they ?)
Yes, he put them through the device - at the start of Intervention (I think)
there's a mention of Cloud and Khual at some festival, if I remember
correctly.
> Did Marc take their "germ plasm"(whatever that is) like he
> always wanted ?
No - he decided to follow Creyns vision.
> Is Diamond Mask out yet ?
Dream on...
> kenneth
- John
John Palmer
wrote:
You need to read the other two books, Surveillence and Metaconcert, of the
Intervention (series). It will answer your questions.
John Palmer - MDA-SSD M&P palmer#d#jo...@ssdgwy.mdc.com
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men* are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Beer, Women**, and the Pursuit of Science."
* intended at this time to be nonspecific; ** personal preference.
Richard Moore
|> Why did Marc give up his vision of Mental Man in favour of a "galactic
|> mind". I thought Marc wanted only _humans_ to be the dominant ultra-
|> metapsychic, so why settle for the Duat Tana/Firvulag ? Did Creyn give
|> him another Vision besides the pain-mitigator ?
It's a while since I looked at the books, but I recall that Marc was persuaded that his
'Mental Man' concept was flawed, possibly he discovered that humans were the descendents
of Tanyn and Furvulag
|>
|> What happened to Cloud and Hagen at Castle Gateway just after Marc
|> stopped them from suicide ? It wasn't clear to me if Marc put them
|> into the new Guderian Device (he pushed 4 people in, but who were
|> they ?) Did Marc take their "germ plasm"(whatever that is) like he
|> always wanted ?
He did put them in the Guderian Device and he also gave something to Cloud (I can't
remember what, and no he didn't take their germ plasm. BTW germ plasm is I believe
the sperm in the male and the oocyte in the female.
|> Is Diamond Mask out yet ?
No, or at least not in the UK.
Rich.
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Andrew T Piskorski
>spsun5!k...@aluxpo.att.com wrote:
>> I probably way behind...but I've just finished the Pliocene series
>> and JTB. Some people seemed to think Atoning Unifex the Lylmik, is
>> Marc Remillard after 6 million years. Can somebody explain this ?
I don't remember which one "Atoning Unifex" is, but if you mean the head
honcho Lylmik, people don't just "seem to think" they KNOW, because he IS.
It is revealed (casually, by Roentgen Remilard) at the end of one of the
books, and hinted at in others.
>> All I gather is that Marc and Elizabeth d-jumped to the Duat galaxy
>> at the end of Adversary. If Marc is the Lylmik, than who are the
>> other Lylmik (4 others I think) from JTB ?
They are actual original Lylmik's, obviously. The fact that none of them
know where their honcho came from and wonder at why he's both so
interested in and familiar with humans and more close-mouthed than is a
hint.
>My impression was that the Lylmik are what became of the Duat
>peoples - Marc and Elizabeth raised the to Operancy, and sometime
>during the 6 million years they evolved into a fairly good
>approximation of what Marc was trying to accelerate humanity into.
Quite possible. Note no one ever did know where the Lylmik home star
actually was.
>> Also some other puzzles :
>>
>> Why did Marc give up his vision of Mental Man in favour of a "galactic
>> mind".
Who said he did? At no point does it ever appear that is in favor of the
"galactic mind". As a Lylmik, it is never mentioned. Pre-Lylmik, is is
violently against it. (Note that he is against is, as I would be, because
linkage in the "galactic mind" is MANDATORY, and no one EVER leaves it.
Why? "Because no one wants to, don't be rediculous!" NO one ever wants
to? Interesting, hm? The only way that is possible is if it changes you
so that you wouldn't want to leave it, after all, among all the sentient
species, and certainly in humanity, there must have been ONE twisted
individual who wouldn't like it no matter how wonderful it was.
Throughout all the books it the "galactic mind" (which I don't think is
what it was called, but I forget its proper name) is presented as a Good
Thing, but there are many hints that should lead to conclude that perhaps
it isn't really quite so good...
>> I thought Marc wanted only _humans_ to be the dominant ultra-
>> metapsychic, so why settle for the Duat Tana/Firvulag ?
6 million years would tend to change a person's thinking somewhat,
wouldn't you think?
>> Did Marc take their "germ plasm"(whatever that is) like he
>> always wanted ?
Germ plasm is reproductive cell material.
Think "ectoplasm" ("outside cell-stuff") and "germinate" ("grow").
Rebecca Drayer
>date...
>
>
>> stopped them from suicide ? It wasn't clear to me if Marc put them
>> into the new Guderian Device (he pushed 4 people in, but who were
>> they ?)
>
>Yes, he put them through the device - at the start of Intervention (I think)
>there's a mention of Cloud and Khual at some festival, if I remember
>correctly.
No, he actually put them through at the end of _The Adversary_. IMHO, it
was one of the best scenes of the series. Aiken had insisted on operating
the time gate himself instead of letting Elizabeth do it. As a result,
Marc gained the extra second he needed to break through Castle Gateway
security. He caught Hagen, Cloud, Kuhal, and Diane Manion just as they
were about to transport.
Elizabeth said (paraphrased): "I should plead with you, Marc."
Marc: "Open to me, instead."
Elizabeth: "Very well." (lets him inside her mind)
Marc: "Ah" (steps to the time gate and activates the controls, sending
the four inside to Madame Guderian's garden).
That scene made me cheer! Marc had been my favorite character in the
series, so I was really psyched to finally see him come to his senses and
ally with Elizabeth.
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John Leask
> jo...@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (John Leask) writes:
> >spsun5!k...@aluxpo.att.com wrote:
>
> >> Also some other puzzles :
> >>
> >> Why did Marc give up his vision of Mental Man in favour of a "galactic
> >> mind".
>
> Who said he did? At no point does it ever appear that is in favor of the
> "galactic mind". As a Lylmik, it is never mentioned. Pre-Lylmik, is is
> violently against it. (Note that he is against is, as I would be, because
> linkage in the "galactic mind" is MANDATORY, and no one EVER leaves it.
> Why? "Because no one wants to, don't be rediculous!" NO one ever wants
> to? Interesting, hm? The only way that is possible is if it changes you
> so that you wouldn't want to leave it, after all, among all the sentient
> species, and certainly in humanity, there must have been ONE twisted
> individual who wouldn't like it no matter how wonderful it was.
> Throughout all the books it the "galactic mind" (which I don't think is
> what it was called, but I forget its proper name) is presented as a Good
> Thing, but there are many hints that should lead to conclude that perhaps
> it isn't really quite so good...
One interesting point is that the guiding force behind the Galactic
Mind was the Lylmik - a bit of an about face for Marc ! (but then I
guess 6 million years can make a bit of a difference...)
- John Leask