Re: Starving people refuse to eat food aid
Hatunen
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>
>>
>> By the way, can we crosspost to alt.folklore.urban more often? I like
>> these guys. Much more pleasant than our usual crossposters.
>
>I haven't read it regularly in a long time. Back then, it was an
>interesting group, with a lot of their own rules (like the ban on
>acronyms) and such. Like RASFW, it was a social newsgroup to a large
>extent.
Most of the old social part went to mail list where it still goes
on...
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Charles Wm. Dimmick
> On 19 Nov 2009 23:29:00 GMT, "Default User"
> <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>
>>> By the way, can we crosspost to alt.folklore.urban more often? I like
>>> these guys. Much more pleasant than our usual crossposters.
>> I haven't read it regularly in a long time. Back then, it was an
>> interesting group, with a lot of their own rules (like the ban on
>> acronyms) and such. Like RASFW, it was a social newsgroup to a large
>> extent.
>
> Most of the old social part went to mail list where it still goes
> on...
>
Hatunen
I was trying to be discreet.
David DeLaney
>"Charles Wm. Dimmick" <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>>Hatunen wrote:
>>> "Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Lawrence Watt-Evans wrote:
>>>>> By the way, can we crosspost to alt.folklore.urban more often? I like
>>>>> these guys. Much more pleasant than our usual crossposters.
>>>> I haven't read it regularly in a long time. Back then, it was an
>>>> interesting group, with a lot of their own rules (like the ban on
>>>> acronyms) and such. Like RASFW, it was a social newsgroup to a large
>>>> extent.
>>>
>>> Most of the old social part went to mail list where it still goes
>>> on...
>>>
>>Lists. There are at least 5 of them.
Plus one more, and three (or more) others...
>I was trying to be discreet.
They're closer to continuous at this point.
Dave "will joke math for food" DeLaney
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Keith F. Lynch
>> goes on...
> Lists. There are at least 5 of them.
I don't understand why people have been fleeing Usenet for email
lists, when they used to do the opposite. What changed?
Even less do I understand the attraction of web boards, which seem to
be poor attempts at reinventing Usenet. I know that in at least some
cases, such boards are seeded with messages stolen from Usenet in an
attempt to give the illusion of a thriving community on the web board.
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Dimensional Traveler
> Charles Wm. Dimmick <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>> Hatunen wrote:
>>> Most of the old social part went to mail list where it still
>>> goes on...
>
>> Lists. There are at least 5 of them.
>
> I don't understand why people have been fleeing Usenet for email
> lists, when they used to do the opposite. What changed?
>
> Even less do I understand the attraction of web boards, which seem to
> be poor attempts at reinventing Usenet. I know that in at least some
> cases, such boards are seeded with messages stolen from Usenet in an
> attempt to give the illusion of a thriving community on the web board.
Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and religious
zealots.
--
"Dude. They've gone fractal."
Warren Oates
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and religious
> zealots.
... and I can filter them out. And I don't need to choose yet another
damned passowrd or answer any intrusive questions about myslef (CREATE A
PROFILE!!!!!!)
--
Suddenly he realized that he was alone
with a giant halfwit on a dark deserted street.
-- Chester Himes
Keith F. Lynch
> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> I don't understand why people have been fleeing Usenet for email
>> lists, when they used to do the opposite. What changed?
>> Even less do I understand the attraction of web boards, which seem
>> to be poor attempts at reinventing Usenet. I know that in at least
>> some cases, such boards are seeded with messages stolen from Usenet
>> in an attempt to give the illusion of a thriving community on the
>> web board.
> Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and
> religious zealots.
There aren't enough of those here to worry about. And if there were,
there are moderated newsgroups.
Dorothy J Heydt
Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>> Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and
>> religious zealots.
>
>There aren't enough of those here to worry about.
Any at all is too many. Still, it is true that they can mostly
be avoided. (Killfile is our friend.)
> And if there were,
>there are moderated newsgroups.
But this is not one.
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Keith F. Lynch
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>> Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and
>>> religious zealots.
>> There aren't enough of those here to worry about.
> Any at all is too many.
I agree there should be none. But I think it's unreasonable to
abandon a worthwhile newsgroup because of a tiny number of trolls,
etc. It would be like never going outdoors again because there are
insects outside.
> Still, it is true that they can mostly be avoided. (Killfile is
> our friend.)
>> And if there were, there are moderated newsgroups.
> But this is not one.
If afu or rasfw were ever rendered unusable by spammers, it would make
more sense to move to a moderated newsgroup than to move to something
much worse than a newsgroup just to get moderation.
R H Draney
>
>If afu or rasfw were ever rendered unusable by spammers, it would make
>more sense to move to a moderated newsgroup than to move to something
>much worse than a newsgroup just to get moderation.
Moderation is a wonderful thing, provided you don't overdo it....r
--
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An optometrist asks whether you see the glass
more full like this?...or like this?
Hatunen
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>> I don't understand why people have been fleeing Usenet for email
>>> lists, when they used to do the opposite. What changed?
>
>>> Even less do I understand the attraction of web boards, which seem
>>> to be poor attempts at reinventing Usenet. I know that in at least
>>> some cases, such boards are seeded with messages stolen from Usenet
>>> in an attempt to give the illusion of a thriving community on the
>>> web board.
>
>> Mailing lists and web forums can ban the trolls, spammers and
>> religious zealots.
>
>There aren't enough of those here to worry about. And if there were,
>there are moderated newsgroups.
There were some times when AFU was inundated by a group of idiots
who specialized in trashing newsgroups. it got pretty bad for a
while. But that wasn't the only reason many regulars went to
email. At first email was used as a sort of backchannel among the
regulars for discussing these problems.
Keith F. Lynch
> There were some times when AFU was inundated by a group of idiots
> who specialized in trashing newsgroups. it got pretty bad for a
> while. But that wasn't the only reason many regulars went to email.
> At first email was used as a sort of backchannel among the regulars
> for discussing these problems.
But why multiple email lists? And why continue to use them after the
vandals are gone? The problem with multiple lists for the same topic,
or multiple same-topic fora in general, is that posters have to post
to all of them to be sure their message will be seen, and readers have
to read all of them to be sure to see all messages. A reader who
reads all fora will see some messages multiple times. A reader who
doesn't read all fora will fail to see some messages at all.
David DeLaney
>> There were some times when AFU was inundated by a group of idiots
>> who specialized in trashing newsgroups. it got pretty bad for a
>> while. But that wasn't the only reason many regulars went to email.
>> At first email was used as a sort of backchannel among the regulars
>> for discussing these problems.
>
>But why multiple email lists?
Different spectra of topic. Why multiple newsgroups, after all?
>And why continue to use them after the vandals are gone?
Because why stop now once the conversation has got going?
Dave
Lizz Holmans
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>But why multiple email lists? And why continue to use them after the
>vandals are gone? The problem with multiple lists for the same topic,
>or multiple same-topic fora in general, is that posters have to post
>to all of them to be sure their message will be seen, and readers have
>to read all of them to be sure to see all messages. A reader who
>reads all fora will see some messages multiple times. A reader who
>doesn't read all fora will fail to see some messages at all.
Because all we really had in common was that we posed in a.f.u. We
were/are human beings who may not actually like each other.
There were mailing lists before the snuh invasion, but more regulars
left during that time.
I've been here since 1994 (L) and manage to be on a couple of mailing
lists, too. One does not preclude the other.
Lizz 'and I made every single dumb newbie mistake possible' Holmans
--
I stayed up late to hear your voice.
Hatunen
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>> There were some times when AFU was inundated by a group of idiots
>> who specialized in trashing newsgroups. it got pretty bad for a
>> while. But that wasn't the only reason many regulars went to email.
>> At first email was used as a sort of backchannel among the regulars
>> for discussing these problems.
>
>But why multiple email lists?
I could ell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
>And why continue to use them after the
>vandals are gone?
The old regulars are kind of a social group. Occassional
get-togethers, exchange of visits around the world.
>The problem with multiple lists for the same topic,
>or multiple same-topic fora in general, is that posters have to post
>to all of them to be sure their message will be seen, and readers have
>to read all of them to be sure to see all messages.
I, and people like Dr Chuck, are among the few who remain. The
mailists are no longer devoted to AFU. But the subjects discussed
are varied enough in their own right to have separate maillists.
We are no longer the Sekrit Kabal. Of course, ther's no such
thing as the Sekrit Kabal.
>A reader who
>reads all fora will see some messages multiple times. A reader who
>doesn't read all fora will fail to see some messages at all.
How profound.
I do hope I am not betraying any of hte secrets of the Sekri
*lost connection*
Charles Wm. Dimmick
>> But why multiple email lists? And why continue to use them after the
>> vandals are gone?
> Because all we really had in common was that we posed in a.f.u.
Well, some posed, and some posted, and some did both.
Keith F. Lynch
>> Because all we really had in common was that we posed in a.f.u.
> Well, some posed, and some posted, and some did both.
Does this newsgroup make me look fat?
Keith F. Lynch
> Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> But why multiple email lists?
> Different spectra of topic. Why multiple newsgroups, after all?
For different topics. There aren't multiple newsgroups for written
science fiction (except for a few single-author newsgroups). There
aren't multiple newsgroups for urban folklore. (Someone created an
alt.folklore.suburban, but that newsgroup is long dead.)
>> And why continue to use them after the vandals are gone?
> Because why stop now once the conversation has got going?
Why not merge them back into the newsgroup so more people can
see them and participate?