"Author's Preferred Text" - examples?

[Cryptoengineer]

I'm currently listening to the Harper full-cast production of
'American Gods' during my commute. It's excellent.

This is an unabridged production of the 'Authors Preferred Text',
which came out a few years after the 2001 original. It is 12,000 words
longer (apparently about 80 pages). Enough time has passed since I
read the original that I can't clearly identify all of the new
material and other edits, but its a substantial change.

We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
rarer in books.

Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
curious about.

pt

[david.sh...@ymail.com]

On May 8, 1:07 pm, Cryptoengineer <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
> into books (Ender's Game), but something that  stays roughly in the
> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
> curious about.

Weren't some some of Heinlein's works reprinted in "Editor's changes
removed" editions? That's sort of the same thing.

[Gary Ansok]

Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote in news:01781d0e-54e8-4001-
bf94-1bb...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

Katherine Kurtz's first three Deryni books were recently updated and
re-issued. The cover of "High Deryni", for example, was marked "Revised
and Expanded by the Author", though I recall the actual edits being faily
minor. It also wasn't so much "the editors made me cut this the first
time around" as "I've added a few things to make it more consistent with
how the rest of the series".

More along the lines of a film's "Director's Cut", there were some
expanded Heinlein releases a while back, but I don't recall the details.

Gary Ansok
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[William December Starr]

In article <01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> said:

> We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
> rarer in books.
>
> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories
> blown up into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays
> roughly in the same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author
> and republished under the same or different title. It's the 'same
> title' cases I'm mostly curious about.

At least one Heinlein, _The Puppet Masters_, was republished in its
original form, many many years after the book was first published
(after Heinlein's death in fact, I _think_.) "Original" here means
the author's manuscript before his editor convinced/ordered him to
make significant changes or cuts.

(Stephen King did this with _The Stand_ too; in this case of course
the author was definitely still alive and controlling the project.)

Back to Heinlein, Baen Books did a printing of _Podkayne of Mars_
that contained both the as-originally-published ending and the
different one that Heinlein had had in his original manuscript.
Although that only changed the last few pages of the book, it
_really_ changed them.

-- wds

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

Gary Ansok <an...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in
news:XnsA1BA6AD30D...@78.46.70.116:

Yeah, the edits were pretty minor (and ebook conversion
exceptionally good). It's the first Camber trilogy that was "the
editors made me lop the last third of the book off and rewrite it
with about six pages of "everybody dies" story.

>
> More along the lines of a film's "Director's Cut", there were
> some expanded Heinlein releases a while back, but I don't recall
> the details.
>

Seawaps has been putting edited out chapters of one of his books up
on his LiveJournal blog. Does that count?

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-- David Bilek

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[Wayne Throop]

: Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com>
: I'm currently listening to the Harper full-cast production of

Podkayne of Mars, Stranger in a Strange Land, and When Harlie Was One v2.0
all spring to mind. Others not so spry might stumble into my mind
at some later time.

[Anthony Nance]

WDS has mentioned _The Stand_ .

Haldeman's _Forever War_ (1974) had a new version in 1991 that restored
some sections, and then a 1997 version that was billed as Haldeman's
"definitive version". I don't know which version(s) are currently
in print.

Tony

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Well Clarke's _Against The Fall Of Night_ vs _The City & The Stars_
is some kind of example, though he was content (if apparently somewhat
surprised) to keep ATFON in print.

The recent Del Rey R.E. Howard reprints generally use Howard's manuscripts
where available rather than the (considerably) edited version that got
used in magazines. Of course, Howard had no say in issuing the preferred
texts, but would presumably approve. The same goes for Lester Dent and
his original Doc Savage manuscripts in the current round of reprints.

John Brunner's _Polymath_ vs whatever it was originally called have been
mentioned here recently. Stirling did some major changes to his first
Fifth Millenium book when it was reprinted..
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The Wildside Press editions of my four "Lords of Dus" novels are
revised/restored from the Del Rey versions -- mostly the first one,
where Lester did a bunch of editing I thought was just silly, but I
think there are some changes to all four, and there are added
appendices.



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[Konrad Gaertner]

Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
> into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
> curious about.

There's an "Author's Preferred Version" of Feist's _Magician_,

The two anniversary editions of Goldman's _The Princess Bride_ each
have new material.

F. Paul Wilson has rewritten and republished _The Tomb_ a few times
so far (not always with that title).

The hardcover reprint of Briggs' _Cry Wolf_ includes the novella that
started the series.

I thought I had seen a few more, but can't think of them just now.
(You're probably not interested in the authorized edition of LOTR.)


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[Greg Goss]

Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

>We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
>rarer in books.
>
>Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
>same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>curious about.

Heinlein released "author's cut" versions of several of his books
posthumously. Even though I'm a Heinlein fan, I somehow never got
around to reading them. The Podkayne revision got a lot of online
commentary at the time.

Clarke completely rewrote his Diaspar novel, but the second version
failed completely to replace the original. At this point I forget
which one was first.

You mention Ender's game. What I found interesting was that the novel
pretty much avoided re-using any of the scenes from the novella --
pretty much wrapping new material around the main events that
described the same plotline, but didn't reuse very much of the
original. Then he went back a few decades later and rewrote it again
from the POV of one of the side characters. I don't think that fits
your example, but it's close.

Gerrold has rewritten a number his stories. Harlie 2.0 was not nearly
as good as the original. His rewrite of Yesterdays Children (I've
forgotten the new title) was much stronger than his original one. (His
and Niven's expansion of the Misspelled Magishun was an example of
what you weren't interested in.)
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[Moriarty]

On May 9, 5:33 am, Konrad Gaertner <kgaert...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
> > Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
> > into books (Ender's Game), but something that  stays roughly in the
> > same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
> > the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
> > curious about.
>
> There's an "Author's Preferred Version" of Feist's _Magician_,

This, along with _The Stand_, was a wildly popular author and their
publisher deciding to re-issue a book without the editorial changes
that usually happen to a book. It's sound marketing as they know
it'll sell like hotcakes.

I've rarely[*] been curious enough to read multiple versions of the
same book but I suspect that in most cases the edited version is the
superior.

I wonder if the author's preferred text of the first Harry Potter book
would be as bloated as later volumes in the series turned out to be?

[*] The exception being _Triplanetary_, although the changes to that
were by Doc Smith himself, retrofitting the story into his Lensman
universe. I preferred the original.

-Moriarty

[Jorgen Grahn]

I think an early example in SF is Theodore Sturgeon's short story
"Maturity", which got a different ending when it was collected, some
years after it appeared in a magazine.

http://www.jasonsanford.com/jason/2012/05/today-in-sf-history.html

Apparently this was a big deal in the late 1940s.

(I see now that Paul Williams died in March this year. He helped
release Philip K. Dick's stuff, and did a good job with Sturgeon's
collected stories; he's the source for this info on "Maturity".)

/Jorgen

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[Brian M. Scott]

On 8 May 2013 23:10:18 GMT, Jorgen Grahn
<grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote in
<news:slrnkolmqo.3...@frailea.sa.invalid> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

> On Wed, 2013-05-08, Cryptoengineer wrote:

[...]

>> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short
>> stories blown up into books (Ender's Game), but
>> something that stays roughly in the same Hugo category,
>> yet is changed by the author and republished under the
>> same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm
>> mostly curious about.

> I think an early example in SF is Theodore Sturgeon's
> short story "Maturity", which got a different ending when
> it was collected, some years after it appeared in a
> magazine.

The original magazine serial version of Laumer's _A Plague
of Demons_ had an epilogue that does not appear in any of
the book editions that I've seen.

[...]

Brian

[Kurt Busiek]

On 2013-05-08 23:01:26 +0000, Moriarty <blu...@ivillage.com> said:

> On May 9, 5:33 am, Konrad Gaertner <kgaert...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>
>>> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>>> into books (Ender's Game), but something that  stays roughly in the
>>> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>>> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>>> curious about.
>>
>> There's an "Author's Preferred Version" of Feist's _Magician_,
>
> This, along with _The Stand_, was a wildly popular author and their
> publisher deciding to re-issue a book without the editorial changes
> that usually happen to a book. It's sound marketing as they know
> it'll sell like hotcakes.
>
> I've rarely[*] been curious enough to read multiple versions of the
> same book but I suspect that in most cases the edited version is the
> superior.

In the case of THE STAND, the reasons for making the original edition
shorter had nothing to do with quality, just economics. King's
publisher didn't feel they could go over a cover price of [whatever],
which meant a wordcount of [pre-set limit] or less.

So it got cut down.

I think the "complete and uncut" version is wonderful, one of my
all-time favorite books, and head and shoulders my favorite of King's
novels.

kdb
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My German edition of "Gödel, Escher, Bach" claims to have additional
material not contained in the original, English version. I cannot say I
noticed any difference.
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[Robert Carnegie]

On Thursday, 9 May 2013 02:19:04 UTC+1, Robert Bannister wrote:
> My German edition of "Gödel, Escher, Bach" claims to have additional
> material not contained in the original, English version. I cannot say I
> noticed any difference.

Umlauts? You can't get proper ones abroad like at home.

[David DeLaney]

Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>Clarke completely rewrote his Diaspar novel, but the second version
>failed completely to replace the original. At this point I forget
>which one was first.

"Alphabetical order, sir!"

Dave, and then there's rewrite-with-new-author-added, such as The Ugly Little
Boy or Light of Other Days
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[Mike Dworetsky]

Stranger in a Strange Land was published in a version that restored the
editor's cuts. Though I think in that case the cuts were made by Heinlein
himself to meet a length requirement. Having read both versions, I think
the shorter version was better, but YMMV.

He wrote about the cuts made in Red Planet by Alice Dalgliesh, which were
more or less censorship, and gave some examples. I'm too lazy to rush to
the bookshelf to detail this but it was probably in "Grumbles".

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[Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk]

On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 19:20:34 UTC+1, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>

> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@...com> wrote:
>
> >I'm currently listening to the Harper full-cast production of
>
> >'American Gods' during my commute. It's excellent.
>
> >
>
> >This is an unabridged production of the 'Authors Preferred Text',
>
> >which came out a few years after the 2001 original. It is 12,000 words
>

> >longer...

>
> >We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
>
> >rarer in books.
>

> >Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>
> >into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
>
> >same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>
> >the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>
> >curious about.

>

> The recent Del Rey R.E. Howard reprints generally use Howard's manuscripts
>
> where available rather than the (considerably) edited version that got
>
> used in magazines. Of course, Howard had no say in issuing the preferred
>
> texts, but would presumably approve. The same goes for Lester Dent and
>
> his original Doc Savage manuscripts in the current round of reprints.

Ah.

Okay. This may mean that I need to procure this current round of Doc issues.

R. E. Howard was my first thought, though mainly in regard to the Lancer/Sphere texts being amended and the more recent (1995+?) printings restoring the typescript or original magazine publication text.

[lal_truckee]

_And Puppet Masters_

[Elaine T]

On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:07:11 -0700 (PDT), Cryptoengineer
<pete...@gmail.com> wrote:


>
>Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
>same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>curious about.

CJC has revised her Russian trilogy (starts with Rusalka) and
republished as e-books with the same titles. The third one is vastly
improved in clarity of what exactly is going on.


--
Elaine T.
Ela...@kethompson.org

[Titus G]

Cryptoengineer wrote:

> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
> into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
> curious about.

The Weapon Makers of Isher, AE van Vogt, may have been from short stories.
The Gunslinger, the first book in The Dark Tower series by S King, was
modified quite a bit years later to support later books in the series.

[Brett Dunbar]

In message
<01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> writes

There is also an author's preferred text of one of Neil Gaiman's other
novels Neverwhere. It combines text from the original UK edition, the
somewhat expanded international edition (foreign readers being less
likely to be familiar with London) and some additional scenes.

Charles Stross is currently having the Merchant Princes series published
in the UK as a trilogy (as it was originally planned) as opposed to the
six parts as published, there are in the process considerable revisions
to the text. The titles of the new editions are The Bloodline Feud, The
Traders' War, and The Revolution Trade (forthcoming), being released at
roughly monthly intervals. According to his blog US releases should show
up in 2014 or 2015.
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[melita...@gmail.com]

Melissa Scott has released a revised version of _Empress of Earth_ as an ebook.

Didn't le Guin release _Left Hand of Darkness_ with varying pronoun usages?

Melita

[Robert Carnegie]

I don't recall seeing word of Terry Pratchett's _The Carpet People_,
which he wrote and published aged 18 (!), I think, and then
substantially rewrote several years later - if we're counting that.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <dd3fc84e-38f0-4b93...@googlegroups.com>,

John Norman is releasing revised Gor books as ebooks. He's reportedly
making them Gor-ier..

[Bo Lindbergh]

In article <3dbe0d34-fad2-49fd...@googlegroups.com>,

Explained on the back cover like this:
# A hilarious fantasy, co-written by Terry Pratchett, aged seventeen,
# and master storyteller, Terry Pratchett, aged forty-three.


/Bo Lindbergh

[ppint. at pplay]

- hi; in article,
<3dbe0d34-fad2-49fd...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" proffered:

>I don't recall seeing word of Terry Pratchett's _The Carpet People_,
>which he wrote and published aged 18 (!), I think, and then
>substantially rewrote several years later - if we're counting that.

- it's a _bit_ different from a "preferred text"; terry
doesn't describe it as such, rather as a collaboration
between two writers who happened to be the same person,
at different times in his life.

- the original, non-collaborative novel has now been re-
published, so the two are comparable, and you may see
they are different stories.

love, ppint.
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The first release of Michael Flynn's _In the Country of the Blind_ had an
essay at the end, making real-world predictions based on the theory that
was the core of the story. The real-world predictions didn't come true,
so a later release had the essay rewritten so that it would appear to
have predicted the events that actually happened. I considered this the
equivalent of firing arrows into the side of a barn, then painting
bullseye targets around the arrows to make it look like you had excellent
aim.

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is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria

[ppint. at pplay]

- hi; in article,
<dd3fc84e-38f0-4b93...@googlegroups.com>,
melita...@gmail.com misrecalled:

>
>Didn't le Guin release _Left Hand of Darkness_ with varying pronoun usages?

- no.

- "Winter's King", originally published in damon knight's
Orbit 5, used pronouns & possessive adjectives referring to
that somewhat less than serene karhidish personage as male,
was collected in _The Wind's Twelve Quarters_ with these
altered to refer to per (and all other gethenians) as fe-
male, their titles remaining male ("king", etc.).

- the two versions read to _considerably_ different effect,
despite the slightness of the literal changes: the author's
point in making them is well made. *and* it's a very fine
story - twice! *g*

- love, a ppint. as recommends reading both versions yet.

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[Robert Bannister]

On 11/05/13 12:28 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <dd3fc84e-38f0-4b93...@googlegroups.com>,
> <melita...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Melissa Scott has released a revised version of _Empress of Earth_ as an ebook.
>>
>> Didn't le Guin release _Left Hand of Darkness_ with varying pronoun usages?
>>
>> Melita
>
> John Norman is releasing revised Gor books as ebooks. He's reportedly
> making them Gor-ier..
>

I hope you are taking full responsibility for that pun.
--
Robert Bannister

[Robert Carnegie]

On Friday, 10 May 2013 23:05:10 UTC+1, "ppint. at pplay" wrote:
> - hi; in article,
> <3dbe0d34-fad2-49fd...@googlegroups.com>,
> rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" proffered:
> >I don't recall seeing word of Terry Pratchett's _The Carpet People_,
> >which he wrote and published aged 18 (!), I think, and then
> >substantially rewrote several years later - if we're counting that.
>
> - it's a _bit_ different from a "preferred text"; terry
> doesn't describe it as such, rather as a collaboration
> between two writers who happened to be the same person,
> at different times in his life.

Yes - but in the sense that when there was enough
Discworld interest to justify considering a reprint,
he preferred to rewrite it, instead. Or he judged
correctly that the original version was a tale
for which the world was not prepared - which
will have been the problem in the first place.

I know he commented latterly on the inferior skill
of the author who introduced the character of
The Patrician of Ankh-Morpork, in _The Colour of Magic_.

> - the original, non-collaborative novel has now been re-
> published, so the two are comparable, and you may see
> they are different stories.

Now I need to think about whether I want to see that.

[Robert A. Woodward]

In article
<01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm currently listening to the Harper full-cast production of
> 'American Gods' during my commute. It's excellent.
>
> This is an unabridged production of the 'Authors Preferred Text',
> which came out a few years after the 2001 original. It is 12,000 words
> longer (apparently about 80 pages). Enough time has passed since I
> read the original that I can't clearly identify all of the new
> material and other edits, but its a substantial change.
>
> We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
> rarer in books.
>
> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
> into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
> curious about.
>

I don't remember Poul Anderson's _The Broken Sword_ being
mentioned. Poul Anderson did some editing when it was reprinted in
the Ballantine Fantasy series that Lin Carter did. Also, when
_Shadows over Lyra_ (an omnibus of 3 early Patrica Wrede novels)
was published, Patrica Wrede rewrote several scenes in _Shadow
Magic_ (her first novel).

--
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<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>

[Howard Brazee]

An interesting case of author's editing was when Asimov re-released
his Foundation trilogy, and didn't give into the temptation to edit
his prose. But he *did* replace the word "atomic" with "nuclear" to
fit how our language changed since the first edition.

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[Mark Zenier]

In article <01781d0e-54e8-4001...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Cryptoengineer <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm currently listening to the Harper full-cast production of
>'American Gods' during my commute. It's excellent.
>
>This is an unabridged production of the 'Authors Preferred Text',
>which came out a few years after the 2001 original. It is 12,000 words
>longer (apparently about 80 pages). Enough time has passed since I
>read the original that I can't clearly identify all of the new
>material and other edits, but its a substantial change.
>
>We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
>rarer in books.
>
>Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
>same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>curious about.

Pohl did a revision of Pohl and Kornbluth's _Search the Sky_.

Mark Zenier mze...@eskimo.com
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

[Peter]

"Konrad Gaertner" <kgae...@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:518AA877...@tx.rr.com...

> Cryptoengineer wrote:
>>
>> Can people think of other examples? Not so much short stories blown up
>> into books (Ender's Game), but something that stays roughly in the
>> same Hugo category, yet is changed by the author and republished under
>> the same or different title. It's the 'same title' cases I'm mostly
>> curious about.
>

> There's an "Author's Preferred Version" of Feist's _Magician_,
>

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Feist's Prince of the Blood was also revised

Peter

[Tim McDaniel]

In article <slrnkolmqo.3...@frailea.sa.invalid>,

Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>On Wed, 2013-05-08, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> This is an unabridged production of the 'Authors Preferred Text',

>> which came out a few years after the 2001 original. ...

>>
>> We've had plenty of 'Director's Cut' movies, but this seems to be
>> rarer in books.
>

>I think an early example in SF is Theodore Sturgeon's short story
>"Maturity", which got a different ending when it was collected, some
>years after it appeared in a magazine.

...

>Apparently this was a big deal in the late 1940s.

I was interpreting "Author's Preferred Text" and "Director's Cut" to
be restoring cuts and changes that were made in the original
production. (It's clearer for movies, because it's impractical to go
back and reshoot scenes after production wraps.) An author having a
better idea and rewriting a story, to me, is somewhat different.

For example, Heinlein significantly revised "'If This Goes On--'" for
a collection early on. The original had them deciding to use hypnotic
conditioning on the populace to solidify the revolt; he changed it
with the scene in the Constitutional Convention about forbidding
hypnotic conditioning without consent. The original had the protag
marrying the sweet innocent "nun"; the revision had him marrying Mary
Magdalene. I think these were substantial improvements, but I
wouldn't call it a "Director's Cut". (According to the source,
Heinlein realized that such editing didn't pay off, and as for years
he adhered firmly to Samuel Johnson's "No man but a blockhead ever
wrote except for money", he revised no more.)

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[Tim McDaniel]

In article <20130511.012...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,

ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> - hi; in article,
> <dd3fc84e-38f0-4b93...@googlegroups.com>,
> melita...@gmail.com misrecalled:
>>
>>Didn't le Guin release _Left Hand of Darkness_ with varying pronoun usages?
>
> - no.
>
> - "Winter's King", originally published in damon knight's
> Orbit 5, used pronouns & possessive adjectives referring to
> that somewhat less than serene karhidish personage as male,
> was collected in _The Wind's Twelve Quarters_ with these
> altered to refer to per (and all other gethenians) as fe-
> male, their titles remaining male ("king", etc.).
>
> - the two versions read to _considerably_ different effect,
> despite the slightness of the literal changes: the author's
> point in making them is well made. *and* it's a very fine
> story - twice! *g*

As I dimly recall, it was a short excerpt of a parade and conversation
with
- male pronouns and references
- female pronouns and references (I'm pretty sure she used "queen", frex)
- invented neuter pronouns and references

And yes, I remember being shocked at how different it felt in each
version.

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Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

On 2013-05-23 12:30:47 -0400, Tim McDaniel said:

> I was interpreting "Author's Preferred Text" and "Director's Cut" to
> be restoring cuts and changes that were made in the original
> production. (It's clearer for movies, because it's impractical to go
> back and reshoot scenes after production wraps.) An author having a
> better idea and rewriting a story, to me, is somewhat different.

There have been "Director's cuts" that DID re-shoot scenes, though I
admit it's extremely rare. CGI is making it easier, though.




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