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Howard Brazee
Apr 22, 2012, 11:09:19 AM4/22/12
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I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of a Superman
world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
Anybody know where the source of this is?
world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
Anybody know where the source of this is?
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Apr 22, 2012, 12:20:55 PM4/22/12
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also in the same thread) was the one who posted it on this very
newsgroup; repost below:
Mark Jones wrote on January 21, 2003:
> Of course they are. They're all trained agents of the government.
>
> Superman is invulnerable. And immortal. And insane. When Lois Lane
> was killed way back in the 40s, he snapped. He couldn't handle it. So
> he found Lois suffering from amnesia and brainwashing and "rescued" her
> from the people pretending to be her family. There wasn't anything to
> be done about it, so eventually she accepted her role. And the
> government began planning for replacements for _that_ Lois, and Jimmy
> and Perry and Lex and...everyone. There've been quite a few of each,
> but more Loises than anyone else. The sexual revolution was very hard
> on Lois.
>
> The Daily Planet would have gone under decades ago if not for huge (and
> secret) government subsidies. Virtually everyone in Clark Kent's life,
> professional and personal, is part of a huge operation to keep him
> happy. They pretend to be his co-workers, friends and acquaintances,
> and all work hard to keep fans and other troublemakers from getting
> close enough to blurt out his "secret" in Clark's presence.
>
> Think of _The Truman Show_ with a superpowered Rain Man as the hero, who
> gets very unhappy if the lifestyle he adopted decades ago isn't
> carefully maintained....
Still as creepy as the day he first posted it, too.
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Brenda Clough
Apr 22, 2012, 5:09:25 PM4/22/12
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On 4/22/2012 12:20 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 4/22/12 11:09 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of a Superman
>> world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
>> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>>
If you have a look at the KNIGHT & SQUIRE miniseries that came out from
> On 4/22/12 11:09 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of a Superman
>> world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
>> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>>
DC a couple years ago, there's a benign and very British twist on it.
Everybody in their native village knows the secret ID of the British
superheroes. When there's an alien invasion or something every neighbor
pitches in to alert the heroes, top off the petrol in their motorcycles,
take care of the mail, feed the cat. Supervillains searching for clues
are directed down the road. Papparazi and gawkers are shuttled away or
met with ignorance and misdrawn maps. Everybody knows, but nobody says
anything aloud even among themselves. And, in a meta characterization,
the reader is not told any of this either. You just see it, en passant.
Brenda
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Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 22, 2012, 5:56:57 PM4/22/12
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In article <jn1s27$3o4$1...@dont-email.me>,
which is out on the coast, along a practically unknown road,
small and secluded and the residents want to keep it that way. I
don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
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Vallejo, California
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Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 4/22/2012 12:20 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 4/22/12 11:09 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of a Superman
>>> world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
>>> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>>>
>
>
>If you have a look at the KNIGHT & SQUIRE miniseries that came out from
>DC a couple years ago, there's a benign and very British twist on it.
>Everybody in their native village knows the secret ID of the British
>superheroes. When there's an alien invasion or something every neighbor
>pitches in to alert the heroes, top off the petrol in their motorcycles,
>take care of the mail, feed the cat. Supervillains searching for clues
>are directed down the road. Papparazi and gawkers are shuttled away or
>met with ignorance and misdrawn maps.
Golly. It sounds like the small California town of Bolinas,
>On 4/22/2012 12:20 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> On 4/22/12 11:09 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of a Superman
>>> world where everybody knows who Superman is, but plays things out, so
>>> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>>>
>
>
>If you have a look at the KNIGHT & SQUIRE miniseries that came out from
>DC a couple years ago, there's a benign and very British twist on it.
>Everybody in their native village knows the secret ID of the British
>superheroes. When there's an alien invasion or something every neighbor
>pitches in to alert the heroes, top off the petrol in their motorcycles,
>take care of the mail, feed the cat. Supervillains searching for clues
>are directed down the road. Papparazi and gawkers are shuttled away or
>met with ignorance and misdrawn maps.
which is out on the coast, along a practically unknown road,
small and secluded and the residents want to keep it that way. I
don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Robert Carnegie
Apr 22, 2012, 5:54:13 PM4/22/12
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A recent Thor comic - alternate-continuity with
romance elements (he's dropped into an Earth woman's
life, can't get home, doesn't know why) featured
a version of Captain Britain whose friends all
know and pretend not to notice when he dashes off
in his civilian identity to reappear as C.B.
I think the "real" Captain Britain's secret I.D.
was rather poorly kept, at first.
In comic _Legion Lost_, the Legion of Super-heroes
met Singularity, an immmortal Superman-type whose
world no longer needed him, so they set him up
on a planet with only simulated inhabitants, to
keep rescuing. He didn't know it was a simulation.
romance elements (he's dropped into an Earth woman's
life, can't get home, doesn't know why) featured
a version of Captain Britain whose friends all
know and pretend not to notice when he dashes off
in his civilian identity to reappear as C.B.
I think the "real" Captain Britain's secret I.D.
was rather poorly kept, at first.
In comic _Legion Lost_, the Legion of Super-heroes
met Singularity, an immmortal Superman-type whose
world no longer needed him, so they set him up
on a planet with only simulated inhabitants, to
keep rescuing. He didn't know it was a simulation.
Derek Lyons
Apr 22, 2012, 7:08:22 PM4/22/12
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Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If you have a look at the KNIGHT & SQUIRE miniseries that came out from
>DC a couple years ago, there's a benign and very British twist on it.
>Everybody in their native village knows the secret ID of the British
>superheroes. When there's an alien invasion or something every neighbor
>pitches in to alert the heroes, top off the petrol in their motorcycles,
>take care of the mail, feed the cat. Supervillains searching for clues
>are directed down the road. Papparazi and gawkers are shuttled away or
>met with ignorance and misdrawn maps. Everybody knows, but nobody says
>anything aloud even among themselves. And, in a meta characterization,
>the reader is not told any of this either. You just see it, en passant.
"One thing about living in Santa Carla I never could stomach...all the
>If you have a look at the KNIGHT & SQUIRE miniseries that came out from
>DC a couple years ago, there's a benign and very British twist on it.
>Everybody in their native village knows the secret ID of the British
>superheroes. When there's an alien invasion or something every neighbor
>pitches in to alert the heroes, top off the petrol in their motorcycles,
>take care of the mail, feed the cat. Supervillains searching for clues
>are directed down the road. Papparazi and gawkers are shuttled away or
>met with ignorance and misdrawn maps. Everybody knows, but nobody says
>anything aloud even among themselves. And, in a meta characterization,
>the reader is not told any of this either. You just see it, en passant.
damn vampires".
D.
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JRStern
Apr 22, 2012, 8:20:52 PM4/22/12
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J.
lal_truckee
Apr 22, 2012, 8:57:53 PM4/22/12
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On 4/22/12 2:56 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> I
> don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
> down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
Now you just look for a side road with no sign - good as a sign.
> I
> don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
> down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
Bolinas still has a booming restaurant/bar business catering to
outsiders who stumble on the place, presumably through Red Phone Booth
Tours LMT.
Robert Carnegie
Apr 23, 2012, 9:20:08 AM4/23/12
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the civilian population, so they disable the
projector to show him that there is no civilian
population. He's pretty upset, but meanwhile
the Legion (Lost) have problems of their own.
Later he shows up as... well, /approximately/ as
told (with some details scrambled) at the end of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_Lost
And I think they didn't convince him to quit /that/
time, they just froze him. Or maybe they froze
him and then he said Okay, I'll stop.
Since this stuff, most of "the DC Universe"
seems to have been rebooted again, so the new
comics don't have this as history. Having said
that, the Legion comic is usually set 1000 years
in the future, which apparently means that they
get rebooted at different times from the twentieth
or twenty-first century, and that parallel Legion
universes exist separately, simultaneously.
Paul Ciszek
Apr 23, 2012, 9:23:45 AM4/23/12
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In article <M2wIA...@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
>Golly. It sounds like the small California town of Bolinas,
>which is out on the coast, along a practically unknown road,
>small and secluded and the residents want to keep it that way. I
>don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
>down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
Do they have ways of confounding GPS as well?
>
>Golly. It sounds like the small California town of Bolinas,
>which is out on the coast, along a practically unknown road,
>small and secluded and the residents want to keep it that way. I
>don't know if they still do, but they used to go out and take
>down highway signs telling non-residents how to get to Bolinas.
At first it would seem that GPS's would defeat things like removing
highway signs, but I have encountered a GPS vortex near Wheat Ridge,
CO that leads you around in circles and back out the way you came.
Presumably a community with the right connections could protect
themselves that way.
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Kip Williams
Apr 23, 2012, 10:37:54 AM4/23/12
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
> Since this stuff, most of "the DC Universe"
> seems to have been rebooted again, so the new
> comics don't have this as history. Having said
> that, the Legion comic is usually set 1000 years
> in the future, which apparently means that they
> get rebooted at different times from the twentieth
> or twenty-first century, and that parallel Legion
> universes exist separately, simultaneously.
It seems inevitable that Legions from different futures might show up in
> Since this stuff, most of "the DC Universe"
> seems to have been rebooted again, so the new
> comics don't have this as history. Having said
> that, the Legion comic is usually set 1000 years
> in the future, which apparently means that they
> get rebooted at different times from the twentieth
> or twenty-first century, and that parallel Legion
> universes exist separately, simultaneously.
our time on the same day for whatever reason. Anything interesting
happen with that?
Kip W
rasfw
Ken Arromdee
Apr 23, 2012, 5:51:18 PM4/23/12
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In article <6Pdlr.166269$s82.1...@newsfe10.iad>,
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Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>It seems inevitable that Legions from different futures might show up in
>our time on the same day for whatever reason. Anything interesting
>happen with that?
There was a parody in DC Universe Legacies which had this as a premise.
>It seems inevitable that Legions from different futures might show up in
>our time on the same day for whatever reason. Anything interesting
>happen with that?
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Brenda Clough
Apr 23, 2012, 5:59:56 PM4/23/12
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On 4/23/2012 5:51 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> In article<6Pdlr.166269$s82.1...@newsfe10.iad>,
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems inevitable that Legions from different futures might show up in
>> our time on the same day for whatever reason. Anything interesting
>> happen with that?
>
> There was a parody in DC Universe Legacies which had this as a premise.
Also one of the arcs in the late lamented SUPERMAN/BATMAN title. Several
> In article<6Pdlr.166269$s82.1...@newsfe10.iad>,
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It seems inevitable that Legions from different futures might show up in
>> our time on the same day for whatever reason. Anything interesting
>> happen with that?
>
> There was a parody in DC Universe Legacies which had this as a premise.
alternate Legions clashed.
Quadibloc
Apr 23, 2012, 7:53:32 PM4/23/12
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I remember a satirical piece, purporting to be written by Jimmy Olsen,
which claimed everyone at the Daily Planet knew that Clark Kent was
Superman except for poor, dense Lois Lane.
I think the title may have been "Fear and Loathing at the Daily
Planet".
John Savard
which claimed everyone at the Daily Planet knew that Clark Kent was
Superman except for poor, dense Lois Lane.
I think the title may have been "Fear and Loathing at the Daily
Planet".
John Savard
David Johnston
Apr 23, 2012, 9:44:51 PM4/23/12
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Legion as the actual past of a grimdark iron age Legion. Which meant
that in theory the grimdark adult legion could have traveled back to
silver age Smallville, or the silver age Legion could have travelled
back to the iron age DC "present" of the 90s.
tphile2
Apr 23, 2012, 10:23:23 PM4/23/12
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supposed to fix, thanks to all the reboots and retcons. and that
applies especially to the LSH, The silver age smallville and superboy
that the Adventure LSH was moved to a pocket universe. So were they
time travelling or dimension hopping? Was it any wonder that Brainiac
5 kept going crazy?
David DeLaney
Apr 24, 2012, 12:14:30 AM4/24/12
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tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>DC continuity is really messed up now far more than what Crisis was
>supposed to fix, thanks to all the reboots and retcons. and that
>applies especially to the LSH, The silver age smallville and superboy
>that the Adventure LSH was moved to a pocket universe. So were they
>time travelling or dimension hopping? Was it any wonder that Brainiac
>5 kept going crazy?
As I noted last time this thread (or its like) came around, it does appear
>DC continuity is really messed up now far more than what Crisis was
>supposed to fix, thanks to all the reboots and retcons. and that
>applies especially to the LSH, The silver age smallville and superboy
>that the Adventure LSH was moved to a pocket universe. So were they
>time travelling or dimension hopping? Was it any wonder that Brainiac
>5 kept going crazy?
to be Barry Allen's fault in the first place... and the time between reboots
is getting shorter each time. And not in a diverging-series way either.
Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
PS: And poor Donna Troy...
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tphile2
Apr 24, 2012, 4:39:45 AM4/24/12
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On Apr 23, 11:14 pm, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
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In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
underwear. They started it all
In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
underwear. They started it all
Paul Ciszek
Apr 24, 2012, 9:56:45 AM4/24/12
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situation brewing. There are two futures, with Dilton mysteriously
missing from one of them and on the lam in the other, with sinister
folks persuing him, and he seems to have knowledge of *both* timelines...
Paul Ciszek
Apr 24, 2012, 9:58:30 AM4/24/12
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In article <d12dafcb-705e-40db...@g38g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
tphile2 <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
>scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
>underwear. They started it all
Hey, Jor-El told him it was forbidden to interfere with Earth's past,
>
>In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
>scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
>underwear. They started it all
but did he listen?
tphile2
Apr 24, 2012, 10:03:18 AM4/24/12
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On Apr 24, 8:58 am, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
> In article <d12dafcb-705e-40db-9f99-17daa90fe...@g38g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
them NOT to do it.
Do not touch, do not stay out late, do not have sex, do not time
travel and change history
> In article <d12dafcb-705e-40db-9f99-17daa90fe...@g38g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> tphile2 <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> >In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
> >scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
> >underwear. They started it all
>
> Hey, Jor-El told him it was forbidden to interfere with Earth's past,
> but did he listen?
>
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> pciszek at panix dot com | command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor
> Autoreply is disabled | will we ever. Church and state are, and must
> | remain, separate." --Ronald Reagan, 10/26/1984
Yeah but the surest way to get your kid to do something is to tell
> tphile2 <tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> >In that case we should take it back to the true offender. A rocket
> >scientist named Jor-El and his sons fetish for going around in his
> >underwear. They started it all
>
> Hey, Jor-El told him it was forbidden to interfere with Earth's past,
> but did he listen?
>
> --
> Please reply to: | "We establish no religion in this country, we
> pciszek at panix dot com | command no worship, we mandate no belief, nor
> Autoreply is disabled | will we ever. Church and state are, and must
> | remain, separate." --Ronald Reagan, 10/26/1984
them NOT to do it.
Do not touch, do not stay out late, do not have sex, do not time
travel and change history
Brenda Clough
Apr 24, 2012, 7:05:17 PM4/24/12
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On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
> tphile2<tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> DC continuity is really messed up now far more than what Crisis was
>> supposed to fix, thanks to all the reboots and retcons. and that
>> applies especially to the LSH, The silver age smallville and superboy
>> that the Adventure LSH was moved to a pocket universe. So were they
>> time travelling or dimension hopping? Was it any wonder that Brainiac
>> 5 kept going crazy?
>
> As I noted last time this thread (or its like) came around, it does appear
> to be Barry Allen's fault in the first place... and the time between reboots
> is getting shorter each time. And not in a diverging-series way either.
>
> Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>
> PS: And poor Donna Troy...
Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
> tphile2<tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>> DC continuity is really messed up now far more than what Crisis was
>> supposed to fix, thanks to all the reboots and retcons. and that
>> applies especially to the LSH, The silver age smallville and superboy
>> that the Adventure LSH was moved to a pocket universe. So were they
>> time travelling or dimension hopping? Was it any wonder that Brainiac
>> 5 kept going crazy?
>
> As I noted last time this thread (or its like) came around, it does appear
> to be Barry Allen's fault in the first place... and the time between reboots
> is getting shorter each time. And not in a diverging-series way either.
>
> Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>
> PS: And poor Donna Troy...
position either.
Quadibloc
Apr 24, 2012, 7:31:03 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 24, 5:05 pm, Brenda Clough <BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
> position either.
At least Power Girl knows about Hypertime and the Crisis, and no
> Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
> position either.
longer is under the delusion that she is "really" from Atlantis.
So her position isn't that much worse than Superman's, as his entire
planet is gone, if not his entire dimension.
John Savard
Brenda Clough
Apr 24, 2012, 9:55:49 PM4/24/12
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At least the main heroes are more or less fixed in canon, and it is hard
to change them. (Even additions like the ugly black jacket for Wonder
Woman tend to go away fast.) All renovations have to take place in the
second tier. See for example the recent revelation that Dick Grayson's
old circus is actually a grooming operation for the Owl conspiracy. And
I am old enough to remember the brief moment when all the Graysons were
actually gypsies. They got better.
tphile2
Apr 24, 2012, 11:00:06 PM4/24/12
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I am actually enjoying the Owls storyline, it's cool to see Batman
take on a rival vigilante organization. but this should have occurred
much earlier in his career. During the first few Years, I find it
hard to believe The Batman would have not noticed or encountered them
for so long. I would like to see Bruce Timm animate this some day.
tphile2
Apr 24, 2012, 10:54:10 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 24, 6:05 pm, Brenda Clough <BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>
> > tphile2<tphi...@cableone.net> wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>
Not just Hawkman but Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl. but at least their origin
and story is covered by the reincarnation fate.
We should also include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to
Earth One and its not always clear if its mom or daughter
David DeLaney
Apr 25, 2012, 4:46:06 AM4/25/12
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Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>> Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>>
>> PS: And poor Donna Troy...
>
>Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
>position either.
At least poor Psycho-Pirate went blessedly mad early on.
>On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>> Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>>
>> PS: And poor Donna Troy...
>
>Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
>position either.
I wonder if he STILL sees all of them? Including all the new ones?
Dave "inside reboot #17, it's too grimdark to see" DeLaney
Brenda Clough
Apr 25, 2012, 9:26:25 PM4/25/12
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Brenda
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just about every building in Gotham) there is just no way Batman should
have been able to miss their existence till this late date. (And did
you note his quite rough-and-ready dentistry, extracting the Secret
Tooth from Dick's jaw? We have had discussions over on Goodreads as to
which tooth that could have been. Not a wisdom tooth, nor a late molar
-- probably one of the premolars.)
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Dimensional Traveler
Apr 25, 2012, 11:14:42 PM4/25/12
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David DeLaney
Apr 26, 2012, 3:17:56 AM4/26/12
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Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 4/24/2012 7:54 PM, tphile2 wrote:
>> On Apr 24, 6:05 pm, Brenda Clough<BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>>>>As I noted last time this thread (or its like) came around, it does appear
>>>>to be Barry Allen's fault in the first place... and the time between reboots
>>>>is getting shorter each time. And not in a diverging-series way either.
>>>
>>>>Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>>>
>>>>PS: And poor Donna Troy...
>>>
>>>Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
>>>position either.
>On 4/24/2012 7:54 PM, tphile2 wrote:
>> On Apr 24, 6:05 pm, Brenda Clough<BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2012 12:14 AM, David DeLaney wrote:
>>>>As I noted last time this thread (or its like) came around, it does appear
>>>>to be Barry Allen's fault in the first place... and the time between reboots
>>>>is getting shorter each time. And not in a diverging-series way either.
>>>
>>>>Dave "essential Singularity" DeLaney
>>>
>>>>PS: And poor Donna Troy...
>>>
>>>Hawkman, too. And Power Girl and Huntress are not in an enviable
>>>position either.
>> Not just Hawkman but Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl. but at least their origin
>> and story is covered by the reincarnation fate.
>> We should also include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to
>> Earth One and its not always clear if its mom or daughter
>
>She's her own mother?
No, there's two Black Canarys, the daughter has innate sonic powers (the
>> and story is covered by the reincarnation fate.
>> We should also include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to
>> Earth One and its not always clear if its mom or daughter
>
>She's her own mother?
Canary Cry), the mother does not - she had only the "normal person, knows
karate and a couple other Japanese words, puts on wig and fights crime and
detects stuff" gig going. She had the daughter and some sort of cross-world
kaflooey intervened and the daughter grew up on Earth-One if I recall right?
Dave
David DeLaney
Apr 26, 2012, 3:23:37 AM4/26/12
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David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 4/24/2012 7:54 PM, tphile2 wrote:
>>> We should also include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to
>>> Earth One and its not always clear if its mom or daughter
>>
>>She's her own mother?
>
>No, there's two Black Canarys, the daughter has innate sonic powers (the
>Canary Cry), the mother does not - she had only the "normal person, knows
>karate and a couple other Japanese words, puts on wig and fights crime and
>detects stuff" gig going. She had the daughter and some sort of cross-world
>kaflooey intervened and the daughter grew up on Earth-One if I recall right?
And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later Earth-2
>Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 4/24/2012 7:54 PM, tphile2 wrote:
>>> We should also include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to
>>> Earth One and its not always clear if its mom or daughter
>>
>>She's her own mother?
>
>No, there's two Black Canarys, the daughter has innate sonic powers (the
>Canary Cry), the mother does not - she had only the "normal person, knows
>karate and a couple other Japanese words, puts on wig and fights crime and
>detects stuff" gig going. She had the daughter and some sort of cross-world
>kaflooey intervened and the daughter grew up on Earth-One if I recall right?
was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people other than
Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the character some
time later, with a more mod motorcycle and finer detail on the fishnet
stockings and a Super Power of her Very Own now because now people got those
with an origin, and THEN the continuity between them got made up and the later
one became the daughter of the earlier one but their worlds were numbered
backwards because by the time they were connecting Earth-2 and Earth-1 versions
of heroes, Earth-1 was where the _current_ Superman lived and Earth-2 was
where the older out-of-date heroes, the Justice Society and Kal-L and the
archaeologist Hawkman rather than the alien one and the Atom who was a short
prizefighter rather than a minuscule-able nuclear physicist, etc., lived and
had had careers.
And then after that subsequent writers didn't always have the motivation to
keep straight which Black Canary was which, you know how that goes, so things
got messed up again. But we were already trapped in the repeating shortening
cycle of Crises...
Wayne Throop
Apr 26, 2012, 2:45:46 AM4/26/12
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:: Not just Hawkman but Hawkwoman/Hawkgirl. but at least their origin
I had broken the temporal barrier,
to live once again through all time,
for the wisdom that is Past.
I did not know that, as time came back,
I would come to father the one who had been my father,
sun-eyed Set,
Wielder of the Star Wand,
Wearer of the Gauntlet,
Strider over Mountains.
--- The Prince Who Was A Thousand,
exposition nominally addressed to Nephytha
... A eunuch priest of the highest caste sets tapers before a pair of
old shoes.
... The dog worries the dirty glove which has seen many better
centuries.
... The blind Norns strike a tiny silver anvil with fingers that are
mallets. Upon the metal lies a length of blue light.
--- foreshadowing in Creatures of Light and Darkness
"It is said that the Steel General's horse could circumnavigate
the universe in a single stride, if given a sufficient warmup run."
--- factoid from CoLaD
:: and story is covered by the reincarnation fate. We should also
:: include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to Earth One and its
:: not always clear if its mom or daughter
: She's her own mother?
Time travel is a wonderful thing. Just ask Philip J Fry.
:: include The Black Canary who went from Earth Two to Earth One and its
:: not always clear if its mom or daughter
: She's her own mother?
I had broken the temporal barrier,
to live once again through all time,
for the wisdom that is Past.
I did not know that, as time came back,
I would come to father the one who had been my father,
sun-eyed Set,
Wielder of the Star Wand,
Wearer of the Gauntlet,
Strider over Mountains.
--- The Prince Who Was A Thousand,
exposition nominally addressed to Nephytha
... A eunuch priest of the highest caste sets tapers before a pair of
old shoes.
... The dog worries the dirty glove which has seen many better
centuries.
... The blind Norns strike a tiny silver anvil with fingers that are
mallets. Upon the metal lies a length of blue light.
--- foreshadowing in Creatures of Light and Darkness
"It is said that the Steel General's horse could circumnavigate
the universe in a single stride, if given a sufficient warmup run."
--- factoid from CoLaD
Kurt Busiek
Apr 26, 2012, 12:38:23 PM4/26/12
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On 2012-04-26 07:23:37 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later Earth-2
> was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people other than
> Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the character some
> time later,
No, not a restart, but the very same character, who traveled over from
> And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later Earth-2
> was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people other than
> Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the character some
> time later,
Earth 2 to Earth 1 when her husband was killed, and then drifted into a
contentious relationship with Green Arrow.
When this happened in the 1960s, you could still argue that she was
under 40 years old, and since Green Arrow had been a business tycoon,
maybe they were about the same age.
By the early 1980s, however, this made her pretty old (since the
Earth-2 characters are tied to WWII) and the Earth-1 characters had
actually been getting younger,* so the continuity-minded Roy Thomas did
a story revealing that a hell of a lot more than was expected happened
during and around that transwer from Earth-2 to Earth-1 (I've read that
story three or four times, and get confused every time), resulting in
the Earth-1 Canary being Dinah Lance, daughter of Dinah Drake Lance.
Except she'd been min-controlled to think she was her mother, or something.
The revision happened only a few years before the big Crisis, after
which the history all happened on the same Earth, and Dinah Drake was
the Black Canary back in the 1940s, and Dinah Laurel Lance is the
current Canary, who seems to be in her twenties or thirties despite the
fact that her mother was an adult in 1947.
kdb
*by the late 1960s, DC was claiming Superman was 29, in hopes of
appealing to the "don't trust anyone over 30" crowd. For a 29-year-old,
he sure acted and looked like a man in his 40s, but they apparently
figured it wasn't his appearance or behavior that mattered, but
whatever number they claimed on the lettercolumn pages.
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David DeLaney
Apr 26, 2012, 1:17:47 PM4/26/12
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Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>On 2012-04-26 07:23:37 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>>And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later
Earth-2
>>was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people other than
>>Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the character some
>>time later,
>
>No, not a restart, but the very same character, who traveled over from
>Earth 2 to Earth 1 when her husband was killed, and then drifted into a
>contentious relationship with Green Arrow.
>
>When this happened in the 1960s, you could still argue that she was
>under 40 years old, and since Green Arrow had been a business tycoon,
>maybe they were about the same age.
..._Really_. So it's worse than I thought. Thanks!
>On 2012-04-26 07:23:37 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
>>And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later
Earth-2
>>was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people other than
>>Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the character some
>>time later,
>
>No, not a restart, but the very same character, who traveled over from
>Earth 2 to Earth 1 when her husband was killed, and then drifted into a
>contentious relationship with Green Arrow.
>
>When this happened in the 1960s, you could still argue that she was
>under 40 years old, and since Green Arrow had been a business tycoon,
>maybe they were about the same age.
>By the early 1980s, however, this made her pretty old (since the
>Earth-2 characters are tied to WWII) and the Earth-1 characters had
>actually been getting younger,*
home universe. Age reversion may not match reversion on box.
>so the continuity-minded Roy Thomas did
>a story revealing that a hell of a lot more than was expected happened
>during and around that transwer from Earth-2 to Earth-1 (I've read that
>story three or four times, and get confused every time), resulting in
>the Earth-1 Canary being Dinah Lance, daughter of Dinah Drake Lance.
>
>Except she'd been min-controlled to think she was her mother, or something.
that then.
>The revision happened only a few years before the big Crisis, after
>which the history all happened on the same Earth, and Dinah Drake was
>the Black Canary back in the 1940s, and Dinah Laurel Lance is the
>current Canary, who seems to be in her twenties or thirties despite the
>fact that her mother was an adult in 1947.
>*by the late 1960s, DC was claiming Superman was 29, in hopes of
>appealing to the "don't trust anyone over 30" crowd. For a 29-year-old,
>he sure acted and looked like a man in his 40s, but they apparently
>figured it wasn't his appearance or behavior that mattered, but
>whatever number they claimed on the lettercolumn pages.
Kurt Busiek
Apr 26, 2012, 1:05:23 PM4/26/12
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On 2012-04-26 17:17:47 +0000, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> The revision happened only a few years before the big Crisis, after
>> which the history all happened on the same Earth, and Dinah Drake was
>> the Black Canary back in the 1940s, and Dinah Laurel Lance is the
>> current Canary, who seems to be in her twenties or thirties despite the
>> fact that her mother was an adult in 1947.
>
> Right, and after that things just kept getting slowly more confused.
I don't recall them getting terribly confused post-Crisis (at least,
not Black Canary's history). The current one is the daughter of the
previous one, and while that's increasingly implausible, that seems to
have been the status quo.
Up until last year and the New 52, that is. Now I have no idea what her
background is.
kdb
> Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> The revision happened only a few years before the big Crisis, after
>> which the history all happened on the same Earth, and Dinah Drake was
>> the Black Canary back in the 1940s, and Dinah Laurel Lance is the
>> current Canary, who seems to be in her twenties or thirties despite the
>> fact that her mother was an adult in 1947.
>
> Right, and after that things just kept getting slowly more confused.
not Black Canary's history). The current one is the daughter of the
previous one, and while that's increasingly implausible, that seems to
have been the status quo.
Up until last year and the New 52, that is. Now I have no idea what her
background is.
kdb
Joseph Nebus
Apr 26, 2012, 2:12:52 PM4/26/12
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In <slrnjphst...@gatekeeper.vic.com> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>And then after that subsequent writers didn't always have the motivation to
>keep straight which Black Canary was which, you know how that goes, so things
>got messed up again. But we were already trapped in the repeating shortening
>cycle of Crises...
I wonder what comic books are like over on the Earth where they
>And then after that subsequent writers didn't always have the motivation to
>keep straight which Black Canary was which, you know how that goes, so things
>got messed up again. But we were already trapped in the repeating shortening
>cycle of Crises...
didn't make the Crisis On Infinite Earths.
(I must be in the top four billion of people on this Earth to
wonder that.)
--
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JRStern
Apr 26, 2012, 5:44:03 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:12:52 +0000 (UTC), nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph
Nebus) wrote:
>In <slrnjphst...@gatekeeper.vic.com> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>
>>And then after that subsequent writers didn't always have the motivation to
>>keep straight which Black Canary was which, you know how that goes, so things
>>got messed up again. But we were already trapped in the repeating shortening
>>cycle of Crises...
>
> I wonder what comic books are like over on the Earth where they
>didn't make the Crisis On Infinite Earths.
>
>
> (I must be in the top four billion of people on this Earth to
>wonder that.)
me too
Nebus) wrote:
>In <slrnjphst...@gatekeeper.vic.com> d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) writes:
>
>>And then after that subsequent writers didn't always have the motivation to
>>keep straight which Black Canary was which, you know how that goes, so things
>>got messed up again. But we were already trapped in the repeating shortening
>>cycle of Crises...
>
> I wonder what comic books are like over on the Earth where they
>didn't make the Crisis On Infinite Earths.
>
>
> (I must be in the top four billion of people on this Earth to
>wonder that.)
J.
Kurt Busiek
Apr 26, 2012, 5:53:56 PM4/26/12
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sized anthology called EARTH-ONE, where I could tell stories as if the
Crisis hadn't happened, shifting from character to character and using
a variety of artists.
But that'd have been a full-time job, and the reality of it is that if
there hadn't been a Crisis, the comics would have either been the same
as they'd been prior to it or steered something more toward what they
did after. Same basic stuff, in other words, just with the old
backstory.
William December Starr
Apr 26, 2012, 7:30:12 PM4/26/12
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In article <jna8bm$vst$2...@dont-email.me>,
Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
"Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
-- wds
Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> said:
> Yes. When you consider their real estate holdings (the 13th floor
> in just about every building in Gotham) there is just no way
> Batman should have been able to miss their existence till this
> late date. (And did you note his quite rough-and-ready dentistry,
> extracting the Secret Tooth from Dick's jaw? We have had
> discussions over on Goodreads as to which tooth that could have
> been. Not a wisdom tooth, nor a late molar -- probably one of the
> premolars.)
Is this the same person as the infamous "I'm the Goddamned Batman"
> Yes. When you consider their real estate holdings (the 13th floor
> in just about every building in Gotham) there is just no way
> Batman should have been able to miss their existence till this
> late date. (And did you note his quite rough-and-ready dentistry,
> extracting the Secret Tooth from Dick's jaw? We have had
> discussions over on Goodreads as to which tooth that could have
> been. Not a wisdom tooth, nor a late molar -- probably one of the
> premolars.)
Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
"Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
-- wds
William December Starr
Apr 26, 2012, 7:33:41 PM4/26/12
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In article <slrnjphst...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
-- wds
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) said:
> And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later
> Earth-2 was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people
> other than Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the
> character some time later, with a more mod motorcycle and finer detail on
> the fishnet stockings and a Super Power of her Very Own now because now
> people got those with an origin, and THEN the continuity between them got
> made up and the later one became the daughter of the earlier one but
> their worlds were numbered backwards because by the time they were
> connecting Earth-2 and Earth-1 versions of heroes, Earth-1 was where the
> _current_ Superman lived and Earth-2 was where the older out-of-date
> heroes, the Justice Society and Kal-L and the archaeologist Hawkman
> rather than the alien one and the Atom who was a short prizefighter
> rather than a minuscule-able nuclear physicist, etc., lived and had had
> careers.
I have nothing to add; I'm just amazed by that single sentence.
> And of course the OUR-universe explanation is that BC of what was later
> Earth-2 was the original, back when "talented normal" was okay for people
> other than Batman, and BC of what was later Earth-1 was a restart of the
> character some time later, with a more mod motorcycle and finer detail on
> the fishnet stockings and a Super Power of her Very Own now because now
> people got those with an origin, and THEN the continuity between them got
> made up and the later one became the daughter of the earlier one but
> their worlds were numbered backwards because by the time they were
> connecting Earth-2 and Earth-1 versions of heroes, Earth-1 was where the
> _current_ Superman lived and Earth-2 was where the older out-of-date
> heroes, the Justice Society and Kal-L and the archaeologist Hawkman
> rather than the alien one and the Atom who was a short prizefighter
> rather than a minuscule-able nuclear physicist, etc., lived and had had
> careers.
-- wds
David DeLaney
Apr 26, 2012, 10:57:59 PM4/26/12
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Dave "deep breath" DeLaney
PS: At its length, or that it actually parses?
PPS: At least the verb wasn't QUITE at the end.
JRStern
Apr 26, 2012, 11:03:56 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:53:56 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
wrote:
>the reality of it is that if
>there hadn't been a Crisis, the comics would have ... been the same
that way kind of like in real life.
J.
wrote:
>the reality of it is that if
>as they'd been prior to it
yeah I guess, but you could just retire the old characters and move on
that way kind of like in real life.
J.
Kurt Busiek
Apr 26, 2012, 11:23:50 PM4/26/12
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Not needed either -- Superman had been in the prime of his life for
almost 50 years by then; there was no likelihood he or any of the other
were going to approach retirement age any faster than James Bond or
Nero Wolfe.
David Johnston
Apr 26, 2012, 11:29:04 PM4/26/12
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David Goldfarb
Apr 27, 2012, 4:24:02 AM4/27/12
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In article <jnclq4$o51$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
--
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goldf...@gmail.com | in the hope of subverting society's traditional
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | values in a more focussed, netiquette-aware
| fashion." -- Patrick Nielsen Hayden
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>Is this the same person as the infamous "I'm the Goddamned Batman"
>Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
>"Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
"The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
>Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
>"Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
--
David Goldfarb |"Newsgroups trimmed back to rec.arts.sf.written,
goldf...@gmail.com | in the hope of subverting society's traditional
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | values in a more focussed, netiquette-aware
| fashion." -- Patrick Nielsen Hayden
Robert Carnegie
Apr 27, 2012, 8:42:48 AM4/27/12
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about the original characters. The original
characters are the draw. Although they may be the
"Earth-1" or "Post-Crisis" or "New Earth"
or "Ultimate" versions of the original characters.
And Barry Allen's Flash was missing in action
for a /very/ long time, ... and he wasn't even
the original. That was Jay Garrick, looking
like the corresponding Greek or Roman god.
(Mercury / Other Guy, I forget. Mainly the hat.)
The original X-Men members came and went and
came back... I dunno if you can actually bet
on whether (spoiler) will be alive again after
the latest X-Men story, or still dead. But
that's an extreme case.
jack...@bright.net
Apr 27, 2012, 8:48:21 AM4/27/12
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John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
character.)
I'm picturing a Justice Association between the Society and the
League, occupying a "LA Law" office suite in the '80s, and drawn from
the various JL expansion teams of the time.
--
-Jack
Kip Williams
Apr 27, 2012, 9:14:48 AM4/27/12
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David Goldfarb wrote:
> In article<jnclq4$o51$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> William December Starr<wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Is this the same person as the infamous "I'm the Goddamned Batman"
>> Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
>> "Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
>
> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
Meanwhile in this universe, we have The Goddamned Zimmerman.
> In article<jnclq4$o51$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
> William December Starr<wds...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Is this the same person as the infamous "I'm the Goddamned Batman"
>> Batman, or is the latter off in his own universe (a la Marvel's
>> "Ultimate" everything), or can't anybody tell?
>
> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
Kip W
rasfw
Steve Coltrin
Apr 27, 2012, 12:28:13 PM4/27/12
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begin fnord
Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> writes:
> David Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
>> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
>
> Meanwhile in this universe, we have The Goddamned Zimmerman.
Aw, Bob Dylan ain't that bad.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Kip Williams <mrk...@gmail.com> writes:
> David Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
>> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
>
> Meanwhile in this universe, we have The Goddamned Zimmerman.
--
Steve Coltrin spco...@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
Kip Williams
Apr 27, 2012, 1:16:12 PM4/27/12
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Steve Coltrin wrote:
> begin fnord
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> David Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
>>> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
>>
>> Meanwhile in this universe, we have The Goddamned Zimmerman.
>
> Aw, Bob Dylan ain't that bad.
"You say I owe you somethin'
> begin fnord
> Kip Williams<mrk...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> David Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Goddamned Batman" was always off in his own universe. *And*
>>> the regular universe has recently been rebooted. (Again.)
>>
>> Meanwhile in this universe, we have The Goddamned Zimmerman.
>
> Aw, Bob Dylan ain't that bad.
You ask me for my plan.
Just who were you expectin'?
Jesus Zimmerman?"
— Christ Guest (as Dylan) "Out Behind the Barn" (from National Lampoon's
"Lemmings")
Kip W
rasfw
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Apr 27, 2012, 1:42:51 PM4/27/12
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On 2012-04-27 08:48:21 -0400, jack...@bright.net said:
> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
> character.)
Firestorm has an active title at the moment.
> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
> character.)
--
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James Nicoll
Apr 27, 2012, 2:26:56 PM4/27/12
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In article <jnelqr$oir$1...@dont-email.me>,
is that when he had a title, he was offered membership in the JL and
turned it down. I'll bet there are other obscure characters out there
who haven't yet been killed in some pointless crossover.
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Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-04-27 08:48:21 -0400, jack...@bright.net said:
>
>> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
>> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
>> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
>> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
>> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
>> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
>> character.)
>
>Firestorm has an active title at the moment.
El Diablo (A masked adventurer) doesn't, although with him the problem
>On 2012-04-27 08:48:21 -0400, jack...@bright.net said:
>
>> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
>> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
>> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
>> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
>> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
>> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
>> character.)
>
>Firestorm has an active title at the moment.
is that when he had a title, he was offered membership in the JL and
turned it down. I'll bet there are other obscure characters out there
who haven't yet been killed in some pointless crossover.
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Kurt Busiek
Apr 27, 2012, 3:02:31 PM4/27/12
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On 2012-04-27 18:26:56 +0000, jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) said:
> In article <jnelqr$oir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-04-27 08:48:21 -0400, jack...@bright.net said:
>>
>>> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
>>> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
>>> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
>>> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
>>> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
>>> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
>>> character.)
>>
>> Firestorm has an active title at the moment.
>
> El Diablo (A masked adventurer) doesn't, although with him the problem
> is that when he had a title, he was offered membership in the JL and
> turned it down.
So what? History's been reset since then, several times. There's no
> In article <jnelqr$oir$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-04-27 08:48:21 -0400, jack...@bright.net said:
>>
>>> It suddenly struck me that now is the time for a new Roy Thomas or
>>> John Byrne/Roger Stern to tell the Secret History of the DC Universe
>>> of the '50s through '90s using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th-tier superheroes
>>> of the comics of those years. (I'm so non-DC; the most obscure I know
>>> the name and distinctive likeness thereof is Firestorm: the Nuclear
>>> Man, and he probably still harbors hope of remaining a current
>>> character.)
>>
>> Firestorm has an active title at the moment.
>
> El Diablo (A masked adventurer) doesn't, although with him the problem
> is that when he had a title, he was offered membership in the JL and
> turned it down.
indication that story even happened, in the current continuity.
> I'll bet there are other obscure characters out there
> who haven't yet been killed in some pointless crossover.
been killed since September of last year.
But if they did a "Secret History," it would just get ignored, as
surely as MARVEL: THE LOST GENERATION was ignored, or the "fill the
gap" stuff like the Justice Experience (if I have the name right) was
ignored.
Probably better to fill the gap by building up stories people want to
tell, rather than to fill it by assigning someone to fill it with stuff
merely because it's there to be filled.
Kevrob
May 22, 2012, 5:55:21 PM5/22/12
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On Apr 22, 11:09 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of aSuperman
> world where everybody knows whoSupermanis, but plays things out, so
> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>
> Anybody know where the source of this is?
Reviving a thread I couldn't respond to before now, for technical
reasons:
From Saturday Night Live, starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
In text
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/99okent.phtml
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4SiHpt9pk0
Kevin
> I read somewhere where someone came up with the idea of aSuperman
> world where everybody knows whoSupermanis, but plays things out, so
> that such a super powerful being doesn't become destructive.
>
> Anybody know where the source of this is?
Reviving a thread I couldn't respond to before now, for technical
reasons:
From Saturday Night Live, starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
In text
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/99/99okent.phtml
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4SiHpt9pk0
Kevin
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