Mass Murderer Mao Decorates White House Christmas Tree
Sound of Trumpet
EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
Christmas Tree
Big Government ^ | 12/22/09 | Capitol Confidential
Posted on 22 December 2009 22:52:32 by American Dream 246
EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
Christmas Tree by Why let a holiday season come between the White
House and making some political statements? The White House pegged
controversial designer Simon Doonan to oversee the Christmas
decorations for the White House. Mr. Doonan, who is creative director
of Barney’s New York has often caused a stir with his design choices.
Like his naughty yuletide window display of Margaret Thatcher as a
dowdy dominatrix and Dan Quayle as a ventriloquist’s dummy. For this
year’s White House, he didn’t disappoint.
These photos of ornaments on the White House Christmas tree in the
Blue Room were taken just days ago. Of course, Mao has his place in
the White House.
And, of course, it wouldn’t be Christmas without an ornament of
legendary transvestite Hedda Lettuce.
He/She even signed it:
And, so soon after collecting the Nobel Peace Prize, why wouldn’t the
White House have an ornament super-imposing President Obama onto Mt.
Rushmore:
All around, a very Barry Christmas!
Dano
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
> Christmas Tree
>
<rest of idiotic right wing drivel snipped>
>
> All around, a very Barry Christmas!
Yeah right. Happy Festivus loon!
<PLONK>
*Anarcissie*
wrote:
For more about Hedda Lettuce, see http://heddalettuce.com/
Don't know if Chairman Mao has a personal web site, but the
picture on the ornament is showing a lot of rouge. I guess
being dead takes its toll on one's skin tone.
Michael O'Connor
> Don't know if Chairman Mao has a personal web site, but the
> picture on the ornament is showing a lot of rouge. I guess
> being dead takes its toll on one's skin tone.
I hope Mao's family was properly compensated for the use of his image.
Jon Schild
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
> Christmas Tree
I always think this loon can't get any further from rationality, and yet
somehow he does.
Quadibloc
> I always think this loon can't get any further from rationality, and yet
> somehow he does.
It's certainly true that Mao Tse-Tung has, fortunately, departed this
world, and thus he is in no position to hang ornaments from the
Christmas tree at the White House, even were he inclined to
participate in such an act of bourgeois decadence in the heart of
Yankee imperialism.
Of course, those who view "Yankee imperialism" as having something to
do with the Civil War might locate its heart further north, such as in
Boston, but that is by the way.
However, the posting refers to the image of Mao Tse-Tung (aka Mao
Zedong) being used in an ornament on the White House tree.
I mean, really. Why not Che Guevara? Or Adolph Hitler?
Yes, there's a lot of silly stuff in Sound of Trumpet's postings, but
that Mao is a mass murderer isn't something controversial; it's quite
true.
John Savard
*Anarcissie*
It's an Andy Warhol version of Chairman Mao -- with
rouge. Do try to make an issue out of it.
Thanatos
Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
While he is, of course, frequently irrational in most of his posts, this
time his reporting is accurate. Those ornaments really are on the White
House Christmas tree, exactly as described.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Jon Schild
Sure, they are there. So what? And why does the announcement belong on
this newsgroup, or any of the others listed?
Thanatos
Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
> Thanatos wrote:
> > In article <hh0egs$q1h$1...@news.xmission.com>,
> > Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://www.crapfest.com
> >>>
> >>> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate
> >>> White House Christmas Tree
> >
> >> I always think this loon can't get any further from rationality,
> >> and yet somehow he does.
> >
> > While he is, of course, frequently irrational in most of
> > his posts, this time his reporting is accurate. Those
> > ornaments really are on the White House Christmas tree,
> > exactly as described.
> >
> > Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>
> Sure, they are there. So what?
Well, it is rather odd that the White House would choose to decorate its
holiday tree with images honoring the single greatest mass murderer in
human history. I'm sure if there were a bauble with a swastika on one
side and Hitler seig-heiling on the other, there would be quite a bit of
appropriate outrage, too. (Probably more so, actually, than for this
darling of the socialist left.)
As for the ornament showing Obama on Mount Rushmore, it's just further
evidence of the deification the sycophants working for Obama seem to
have for him. If at some time during the last eight years the Bush's
Christmas tree had sported an ornament showing him on Mount Rushmore,
don't you think it would have been a prominent news story?
Whether this is on topic for this newsgroup, political threads have
become so ubiquitous here that getting all twisted up over this one
seems both strange and pointless. Besides, your initial complaint wasn't
that the post was off-topic, but rather that it wasn't rational, which
clearly turned out to be the case. The fact that you're disinterested in
the topic doesn't make it irrational.
Robert Carnegie
> Well, it is rather odd that the White House would choose to decorate its
> holiday tree with images honoring the single greatest mass murderer in
> human history.
This is the same "honor" that was given to tinned soup. If I were he,
color me unflattered.
Father Haskell
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
> Christmas Tree
You're drunk and you're watching Rocky Horror. Again.
Have a cup of coffee and sleep it off, maybe you'll
be sober and sane tomorrow.
James A. Donald
> > Those ornaments really are on the White
> > House Christmas tree, exactly as described.
Jon Schild
> Sure, they are there. So what?
Tells us something about Obama, and, indeed, our entire government:
That it hates America, fears it, and wants to destroy it.
cryptoguy
You are Sound of Trumpet, AICMFP.
pt
Quadibloc
> This is the same "honor" that was given to tinned soup. If I were he,
> color me unflattered.
That does mitigate the offence... slightly.
John Savard
Ray Fischer
You really are one crazy asshole, aren't you?
--
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Santolina chamaecyparissus
Interesting story about how Christmas ornaments aided the Bolsheviks:
http://tinyurl.com/5u37jb
James A. Donald
> > > > Those ornaments really are on the White House
> > > > Christmas tree, exactly as described.
Jon Schild
> > > Sure, they are there. So what?
James A. Donald:
> > Tells us something about Obama, and, indeed, our
> > entire government: That it hates America, fears it,
> > and wants to destroy it.
cryptoguy
> You are Sound of Trumpet,
If Bush's Christmas tree had had a swastika on top, what
would you conclude about Bush?
Father Haskell
> If Bush's Christmas tree had had a swastika on top,
It didn't?
Boo Radley
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundof...@dcemail.com> wrote in message
news:2735384d-db28-48fc...@n38g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
<snip bullshit>
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
in the blog they berate and insult the thousands of American Children that
decorated Christmas ornaments for the White House Christmas Tree.
These Children are taught to respect their president like all other previous
generations were taught but these disgraceful assholes take the opportunity
to attack each of their choices including the adorable child that added
Obama to Mount Rushmore. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE should IMMEDIATELY kill
themselves for being the worst people on the planet. DO IT YOU CHILD HATING
BASTARDS! DO SOMETHING TO HELP FOR ONCE! DO IT YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
Thanatos
<ad5a3d63-2085-4b2e...@g12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
No.
Nomen Publicus
More likely nobody checking the pictures pasted onto the decorations
recognised Mao.
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Dan Clore
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> House Christmas Tree
>
> Big Government ^ | 12/22/09 | Capitol Confidential
>
> Posted on 22 December 2009 22:52:32 by American Dream 246
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> House Christmas Tree by Why let a holiday season come between the
> White House and making some political statements? The White House
> pegged controversial designer Simon Doonan to oversee the Christmas
> decorations for the White House. Mr. Doonan, who is creative director
> choices. Like his naughty yuletide window display of Margaret
> dummy. For this year�s White House, he didn�t disappoint.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200912230023
The White House sent 800 ornaments to 60 community groups to redecorate.
Three of them came back with something that regressive rightists object
to. And the staff at the White House put them on the tree.
The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in Christmas
lights on their roofs.
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Thanatos
Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
> >
> > EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> > House Christmas Tree
> >
> > Big Government ^ | 12/22/09 | Capitol Confidential
> >
> > Posted on 22 December 2009 22:52:32 by American Dream 246
> >
> > EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> > House Christmas Tree by Why let a holiday season come between the
> > White House and making some political statements? The White House
> > pegged controversial designer Simon Doonan to oversee the Christmas
> > decorations for the White House. Mr. Doonan, who is creative director
> > of Barney�s New York has often caused a stir with his design
> > choices. Like his naughty yuletide window display of Margaret
> > Thatcher as a dowdy dominatrix and Dan Quayle as a ventriloquist�s
> > dummy. For this year�s White House, he didn�t disappoint.
>
> http://mediamatters.org/research/200912230023
>
> The White House sent 800 ornaments to 60 community groups
> to redecorate. Three of them came back with something that
> regressive rightists object to.
LOL! Apparently anyone who objects to Mao (who murdered 70 million of
his own citizens) is now a "regressive rightist". How long before it's
regressive to object to Hitler and Stalin, too? Just going for a
ballpark timeline here...
> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments
> in my neighborhood even more -- people put up things like
> "PEACE" in Christmas lights on their roofs.
If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of "peace" is
vastly different than that of the rest of the English-speaking world.
Dan Clore
It's always amusing to see how the number Mao is accused of murdering
steadily increases. Before long he'll have exterminated the entire
population of China--
>> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
>> neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in
>> Christmas lights on their roofs.
>
> If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of "peace"
> is vastly different than that of the rest of the English-speaking
> world.
I didn't say anything that implies that Mao was an icon of peace. I was
just pointing out how much rightists love war.
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Syd M.
I'm sure some rightoid would wish that true.
> >> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
> >> neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in
> >> Christmas lights on their roofs.
>
> > If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of "peace"
> > is vastly different than that of the rest of the English-speaking
> > world.
>
> I didn't say anything that implies that Mao was an icon of peace. I was
> just pointing out how much rightists love war.
>
And hate everyone.
PDW
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
You're thinking of the Kennedy tree at home. That's Catholics of
course.
Edward A. Falk
Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>
>It's always amusing to see how the number Mao is accused of murdering
>steadily increases. Before long he'll have exterminated the entire
>population of China--
Same thing with Stalin. I believe the number started at 1.5 million and
has since climbed to 30 million.
I sure would like to see a source for the 70M number.
--
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
"Children" most loosely means "anyone too young to buy booze". And
they should neither venerate the President as a living god and make
graven images of him (which I think there was less of, the graven
image thing, with President Bush - either one - because, well, look at
them; whereas with Obama you just have to get the ears right; not
Tuvok, not Mickey Mouse): nor should they send him portraits of the
late Chairman Mao to use as Christmas decorations. Frankly if
children were involved at all then I suspect that Republican mummies
and daddies were helping, but I also doubt that any members of the
public actually are ever allowed to send any kind of object to the
White House for other than practical official use, which this wouldn't
be. Two words, folks: anthrax baubles. (Or, as Wikipedia tells me,
"Christmas balls" in American English.)
Thanatos
Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
I got my number from Wikipedia. If it's wrong, I suggest you go make an
edit.
Nevetheless, if your only nitpick is with how many millions he directed
to be slaughtered, you're not really bolstering your case for the
regresivity of the people who object to Mao.
> >> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
> >> neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in
> >> Christmas lights on their roofs.
> >
> > If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of "peace"
> > is vastly different than that of the rest of the English-speaking
> > world.
>
> I didn't say anything that implies that Mao was an icon of peace.
Sure you did. You said that "regressive rightists" objected to Mao, then
you said those same rightists would object to peace displays in your
neighborhood, thereby implicitly linking Mao and peace.
Thanatos
<a29315cd-2491-4158...@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.or–g
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> Thanatos wrote:
> > In article
> > <ad5a3d63-2085-4b2e...@g12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> > Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 24, 10:45?pm, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If Bush's Christmas tree had had a swastika on top,
> > >
> > > It didn't?
> >
> > No.
>
> You're thinking of the Kennedy tree at home.
Nope.
Dan Clore
The regressive rightists are also having conniption fits over a
decoration with a transvestite on it. Does this mean that Mao was a
transvestite?
Now, as to peace, if the regressive rightists are so concerned about
mass murder, they might consider re-directing their efforts. Instead of
whinging about Christmas tree ornaments, they could try to end the wars
that Obama is waging. How about it?
Dan Clore
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/12/a-warhol-christmas-at-the-white-house.html
Wexford
> In article <7pn04cF3e...@mid.individual.net>,
From the picture, it looks as if Mao's image is about 1 inch square
and part of a collage, if, indeed, that really is a picture of an
ornament on the White House tree. I could make a similar image on
Photoshop at home. It's not hard to do. In any event, I think you'd
have to see the whole ornament and understand the context of the
picture in the other images on it before you could make a judgment. As
for Mao being a mass murderer, he was. The estimates vary but
certainly between 10 and 30 million (perhaps more) died as a result of
his policies. It's a bit different than Hitler, who had them murdered
outright. Mao worked them to death, traded their food for foreign
assistance, and mismanaged the country horribly. Also, he's still a
hero in his homeland, unlike Hitler whose very memory is loathed. In
any event before I would let myself be consumed with outrage, I'd keep
looking to see if those images turn out to be fake. This smells more
like a shabby rightard propaganda stunt to me than an actual
event.
James A. Donald
> > It's always amusing to see how the number Mao is accused of murdering
> > steadily increases. Before long he'll have exterminated the entire
> > population of China--
Edward A. Falk
> Same thing with Stalin. I believe the number started at 1.5 million and
> has since climbed to 30 million.
The liquidation of the kulaks, the first of Stalin's great crimes, was
at the time reported to be seven million, and since then estimates
have varied between ten million and six million.
The estimates from those who are not fans of slavery, mass murder, and
terror, have remained fairly constant. What has been steadily rising
is the estimates from the fans of slavery, mass murder, and terror, as
they slowly and reluctantly realize that their absurdly small numbers
are attracting ridicule.
Father Haskell
What's the difference if Mao Zedong is on one of the
ornaments? Especially since the rest of them are stamped
"Made in China," thanks to Bush I.
Alan Ford
> For those who can't get enough of this story:
Non-story. But then, some sheep need a moon to bleat at.
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
Lawrence Watt-Evans
wrote:
>From the picture, it looks as if Mao's image is about 1 inch square
>and part of a collage, if, indeed, that really is a picture of an
>ornament on the White House tree. I could make a similar image on
>Photoshop at home. It's not hard to do. In any event, I think you'd
>have to see the whole ornament and understand the context of the
>picture in the other images on it before you could make a judgment. As
>for Mao being a mass murderer, he was. The estimates vary but
>certainly between 10 and 30 million (perhaps more) died as a result of
>his policies. It's a bit different than Hitler, who had them murdered
>outright. Mao worked them to death, traded their food for foreign
>assistance, and mismanaged the country horribly. Also, he's still a
>hero in his homeland, unlike Hitler whose very memory is loathed.
Actually, to some people he's a god.
The current official position, I'm told by someone who worked in
China, is that Mao was 70% right, 30% wrong in what he said and did.
Individual Chinese undoubtedly have their own ideas about whether that
ratio is correct. However, I can attest first-hand that as of 2006,
there were people in Shanghai who made sacrifices to statues of Mao in
exactly the same manner they made sacrifices to Gautama Buddha or Kuan
Yin or other traditional deities.
See, some people can't afford their own home shrines, so they make
offerings to the statues on display in department stores -- including
statues of Mao. We could see those offerings while we were shopping.
However, Mao didn't draw anything like the same amount of offerings as
Master Kung, or Gautama Buddha, or most of the others.
Incidentally, while his policies did kill millions, in some cases it's
theorized that Mao himself did not know that -- his followers lied to
him to ingratiate themselves, so that he wasn't informed of how much
havoc he had wrought. Oh, he knew perfectly well that the Cultural
Revolution would result in slaughter, but the casualties of the Great
Leap Forward were, for the most part, unintentional and unwanted.
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Alan Ford
> Incidentally, while his policies did kill millions, in some cases it's
> theorized that Mao himself did not know that -- his followers lied to
> him to ingratiate themselves, so that he wasn't informed of how much
> havoc he had wrought.
You can go right ahead and disregard those "theories" as idiocy. In
every dictatorial regime that is headed by a petty tyrant with a
personality cult, an over-inflated ego of and a superiority complex,
stories abound of the alleged "ignorance" and "misinformation" of the
dear leader by his apparatchiks.
A significant percentage of people simply need leaders, otherwise they
can't function. It is a vestige of the alpha male meme we carry.
Therefore, the dear leader, the alpha male, can't be wrong, can't make a
mistake, can't be a vile, vicious, murderous, demented piece of human
garbage who is driven by selfish motives. If you point this out to those
people, they need to rationalize their faith in the leader's
infallibility, and one way of doing it is by denying his culpability by
pleading his ignorance.
> Oh, he knew perfectly well that the Cultural
> Revolution would result in slaughter, but the casualties of the Great
> Leap Forward were, for the most part, unintentional and unwanted.
Cultural Revolution was slaughter. Planned and organized. Whoever died,
did in order for the glorious future to come sooner - casualties of war,
so to speak. In stalinism, human life is worth very little, exactly
contrary to the official proclamations.
Boo Radley
"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.or�g"
news:7b807ad6-ed91-401e...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...
Elementary School Children decorated Thousands of Ornaments for all of the
White House Christmas Trees. ALL of those ornaments were decorated by these
American pre-teens. Now kill yourself, you are too stupid to continue
breathing my air. DO IT!
Thanatos
Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
> Thanatos wrote:
> > In article <7pnigl...@mid.individual.net>, Dan Clore
> > <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
> >> Thanatos wrote:
> >>> In article <7pn04c...@mid.individual.net>, Dan Clore
> >>> <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
> >>>> neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in
> >>>> Christmas lights on their roofs.
> >>> If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of
> >>> "peace" is vastly different than that of the rest of the
> >>> English-speaking world.
> >> I didn't say anything that implies that Mao was an icon of peace.
> >
> > Sure you did. You said that "regressive rightists" objected to Mao,
> > then you said those same rightists would object to peace displays in
> > your neighborhood, thereby implicitly linking Mao and peace.
>
> The regressive rightists are also having conniption fits over a
> decoration with a transvestite on it. Does this mean that Mao was a
> transvestite?
>
> Now, as to peace, if the regressive rightists are so concerned about
> mass murder, they might consider re-directing their efforts. Instead of
> whinging about Christmas tree ornaments, they could try to end the wars
> that Obama is waging. How about it?
So a person cannot object to any one aspect of an administration until
the solve all the others at the same time?
I'll remember you said that next time we have a conservative in office.
Thanatos
<72c02165-0e04-4676...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Wexford <wry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 4:20�pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition
> > of "peace" is vastly different than that of the rest of
> > the English-speaking world.
>
> From the picture, it looks as if Mao's image is about 1 inch square
> and part of a collage, if, indeed, that really is a picture of an
> ornament on the White House tree. I could make a similar image on
> Photoshop at home. It's not hard to do. In any event, I think you'd
> have to see the whole ornament and understand the context of the
> picture in the other images on it before you could make a judgment.
Just for shits and giggles, what would be an example of an acceptable
context for a communist mass-murderer to be included as a decoration on
the official White House Christmas tree?
> In any event before I would let myself be consumed with outrage,
> I'd keep looking to see if those images turn out to be fake.
I'm not relying on the images. I've seen the tree in person.
Thanatos
<451ej5pdt38irlomn...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:28:10 -0800 (PST), Wexford <wry...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >From the picture, it looks as if Mao's image is about 1 inch square
> >and part of a collage, if, indeed, that really is a picture of an
> >ornament on the White House tree. I could make a similar image on
> >Photoshop at home. It's not hard to do. In any event, I think you'd
> >have to see the whole ornament and understand the context of the
> >picture in the other images on it before you could make a judgment. As
> >for Mao being a mass murderer, he was. The estimates vary but
> >certainly between 10 and 30 million (perhaps more) died as a result of
> >his policies. It's a bit different than Hitler, who had them murdered
> >outright. Mao worked them to death, traded their food for foreign
> >assistance, and mismanaged the country horribly. Also, he's still a
> >hero in his homeland, unlike Hitler whose very memory is loathed.
>
> Actually, to some people he's a god.
>
> The current official position, I'm told by someone who worked in
> China, is that Mao was 70% right, 30% wrong in what he said and did.
As gods go, that's not a very good batting average.
Dan Clore
You're the master of the straw man.
> I'll remember you said that next time we have a conservative in
> office.
Except that I didn't say it, you did.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Yes, but as I said, not everyone agrees with the official position.
And he's not a very popular god, judging by the offerings.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Oh? Suicide bombs are often carried by children. On the other hand,
I don't know how they are taught but how do any of those kids find
Mao's picture or even know who he is? I think I last saw a reference
in a comic written by J. Michael Straczynski, set in the past, and
even then it was a kid referring to him as "Mousey Tongue". Took me a
while to work out what was meant.
Although I suppose there may be more people with expatriate Chinese
ancestry and a chip on the shoulder than I'm used to considering.
Either way, that's how I figure, if these were ostensibly produced by
children, that mummy and daddy, or by now grandpa and grandma, helped.
And are we sure it isn't meant to be Mike Huckabee? The putative kids
won't draw so well either.
James A. Donald
> ornaments? Especially since the rest of them are stamped
> "Made in China," thanks to Bush I.
You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
it is time to move on to Bush II.
Father Haskell
Obama wasn't president in 2008.
Quadibloc
> You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
> understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
> crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
> it is time to move on to Bush II.
Huh? Obama *got elected* because of the stock market crash which
preceded the vote. Had that not happened, terrorism would have been a
bigger issue than the economy, and McCain would be President. Instead,
he helped things along by doing a "fundamentally sound" Herbert Hoover
impression, and, in the Senate, obstructing efforts by his fellow
Republican, President George W. Bush, to prevent the stock market
crash from causing a depression.
John Savard
cloud dreamer
McCain would have never been elected. Palin ensured that.
..
James A. Donald
Father Haskell
> Obama wasn't president in 2008.
Which no doubt explains why unemployment soared as soon as he became
president in 2009.
James A. Donald
> preceded the vote.
The rising unemployment, however, followed the vote.
Mike Schilling
Not only the vote, but also the Democratic convention and all of
Obama's primary victories (not to mention his birth.)
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Did you just say "Obama" when you meant "Bill Clinton"? If we're
discussing "blaming the previous, not current executive for, uh,
everything", then Clinton makes the argument more coherent.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Unemployment rises later than the economic-indicator start of the
recession, and falls later than the start of the recovery. Going into
bad times, employers want to hold onto good workers and come out the
other side intact, so they keep staff on. Coming out of bad times,
employers are still hurting and unwilling to take on labour. And, of
course, automation continually removes work from the done-by-human-
beings domain, so there are fewer jobs around for that reason.
Yap
Can you then ascertain what was the number in the Canaanite slaughter
by the Israelites?
How was that compared to Stalin and Mao?
Yap
Yes.
But the policy led to unemployment preceded the vote, thought you knew.
Wexford
>
> Wexford<wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 4:20 pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition
> > > of "peace" is vastly different than that of the rest of
> > > the English-speaking world.
>
> > From the picture, it looks as if Mao's image is about 1 inch square
> > and part of a collage, if, indeed, that really is a picture of an
> > ornament on the White House tree. I could make a similar image on
> > Photoshop at home. It's not hard to do. In any event, I think you'd
> > have to see the whole ornament and understand the context of the
> > picture in the other images on it before you could make a judgment.
???????????
> Just for shits and giggles, what would be an example of an acceptable
> context for a communist mass-murderer to be included as a decoration on
> the official White House Christmas tree?
Maybe in the context of hill of corpses. The image, by the way, is a
copy of Andy Warhol's Mao. It doesn't flatter the bastard, and,
considering Warhol's subjects and the way he treated them, Mao is
depicted not as sage or leader, but as a cartoon figure, flat, details
eradicated, a living caricature, an unfunny parody of himself. I'm
surprised the Chinese haven't complained, but, then, the Chinese
Communists are a bit thick. Just as a footnote, a Honk Kong
businessman recently bought Warhol's Mao series for an astonishing $17
million.
>
> > In any event before I would let myself be consumed with outrage,
> > I'd keep looking to see if those images turn out to be fake.
>
> I'm not relying on the images. I've seen the tree in person.
Good.
James A. Donald
wrote:
> But the policy led to unemployment preceded the vote, thought you knew.
If the Bush policy caused the unemployment, then the predictions of
those implementing the present policy should have been accurate, the
predictions of the stimulating effect of the stimulating stimulus
should have been reasonably accurate. Instead, long term unemployment
is going right on rising, the proportion of the population employed
continues to collapse.
Ray Fischer
>> But the policy led to unemployment preceded the vote, thought you knew.
>
>If the Bush policy caused the unemployment, then the predictions of
>those implementing the present policy should have been accurate, the
>predictions of the stimulating effect of the stimulating stimulus
>should have been reasonably accurate. Instead, long term unemployment
>is going right on rising,
The crackpot thinks that the entire US economy should be turned around
in a matter of months. Meanwhile the crackpot ignores the fact that
the rate of job loss has been reduced dramatically and is even going
into net job gain.
--
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rfis...@sonic.net
Greg Goss
>You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
>understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
>crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
>it is time to move on to Bush II.
Bush 1 was actually a pretty good president. It's too bad that his
son was the one to get two terms.
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Greg Goss
Neither was Bush the first. Read the post he was replying to.
Ray Fischer
You really must be some moron to spout stupid lies without even
checking the facts first. After long stretch of unemployment at 5% it
hit 6% in August and was at 7% in December.
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
> James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
>
> >You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
> >understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
> >crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
> >it is time to move on to Bush II.
>
> Bush 1 was actually a pretty good president. It's too bad that his
> son was the one to get two terms.
Bush 1 was not a good president, if having a major economic crisis in
your time makes you not a good president. He told the American public
"I am doing the best that I can" and the American public said "Yes,
you are."
Greg Goss
Recessions happen. It's called "the business cycle".
Look at 2008 and tell me that daddy Bush had a "major economic
crisis".
Ray Fischer
>Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.or�g
><rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>Greg Goss wrote:
>>> James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
>>> >understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
>>> >crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
>>> >it is time to move on to Bush II.
>>>
>>> Bush 1 was actually a pretty good president. It's too bad that his
>>> son was the one to get two terms.
>>
>>Bush 1 was not a good president, if having a major economic crisis in
>>your time makes you not a good president. He told the American public
>>"I am doing the best that I can" and the American public said "Yes,
>>you are."
>
>Recessions happen. It's called "the business cycle".
To be fair, Bush's troubles were more correctly attributed to Reagan.
--
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rfis...@sonic.net
Father Haskell
> Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ><rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >>Greg Goss wrote:
> >>> James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >You guys are still blaming the economic crisis on Bush I? I can
> >>> >understand not wanting to blame in Obama merely because the economy
> >>> >crashed on his watch in response to his radical measures, but surely
> >>> >it is time to move on to Bush II.
>
> >>> Bush 1 was actually a pretty good president. It's too bad that his
> >>> son was the one to get two terms.
>
> >>Bush 1 was not a good president, if having a major economic crisis in
> >>your time makes you not a good president. He told the American public
> >>"I am doing the best that I can" and the American public said "Yes,
> >>you are."
>
> >Recessions happen. It's called "the business cycle".
>
> To be fair, Bush's troubles were more correctly attributed to Reagan.
Why do you blame Nancy, when her astrologer was
calling the shots?
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
I could be unintentionally using circular logic, but it was major
enough to lose him the election. "It's the economy, stupid."
If the American population is not sufficiently educated in economics,
blame it on the public schools - and on the government that tells them
what to teach and how much to spend doing it.
As for late noughties economic failure, I favour the argument that
dismantling the legal protections established after late twenties
economic failure had a teeny bit to do with it.
I also believe that the next crash /after/ now can be blamed on the
latest computer stock trading systems that can buy shares and then
sell them a split-second later at a profit, or maybe the other way
around. And it'll probably leave us all broke before we even notice
that it's happening. I'm not sure how to ban those - perhaps allowing
share dealers up to 24 hours grace to say "I've changed my mind" would
do it. And then there's unregulated "dark markets" too.
Konrad Gaertner
>
> I also believe that the next crash /after/ now can be blamed on the
> latest computer stock trading systems that can buy shares and then
> sell them a split-second later at a profit, or maybe the other way
> around. And it'll probably leave us all broke before we even notice
> that it's happening. I'm not sure how to ban those - perhaps allowing
> share dealers up to 24 hours grace to say "I've changed my mind" would
> do it. And then there's unregulated "dark markets" too.
How about making companies titled properties so that any transfer of
ownership would require as much taxes, fees, and paperwork as
transfering ownership of a car? That would nicely get rid of the
speculators.
Thinking about this, I gues the main result would be all the big
companies moving their primary headquarters out of the country...
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
> Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc. or�g wrote:
> >
> > I also believe that the next crash /after/ now can be blamed on the
> > latest computer stock trading systems that can buy shares and then
> > sell them a split-second later at a profit, or maybe the other way
> > around. And it'll probably leave us all broke before we even notice
> > that it's happening. I'm not sure how to ban those - perhaps allowing
> > share dealers up to 24 hours grace to say "I've changed my mind" would
> > do it. And then there's unregulated "dark markets" too.
>
> How about making companies titled properties so that any transfer of
> ownership would require as much taxes, fees, and paperwork as
> transfering ownership of a car? That would nicely get rid of the
> speculators.
The licence plates! Oh, lord, the licence plates!
> Thinking about this, I gues the main result would be all the big
> companies moving their primary headquarters out of the country...
They always say that but they never actually do... or do they?
Free Lunch
talk-o...@moderators.isc.or�g <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in
alt.atheism:
>Konrad Gaertner wrote:
It's also a good reason to replace corporate taxes which are easily
bypassed and payroll taxes which are incredibly regressive with VAT
which is much more difficult to avoid for large companies.
Eric S. Harris
> On Dec 24, 4:47 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@dcemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
>>
>>EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White House
>>Christmas Tree
[mucho snippage]
> Don't know if Chairman Mao has a personal web site, but the
> picture on the ornament is showing a lot of rouge. I guess
> being dead takes its toll on one's skin tone.
Hasn't bothered Lenin much. They do take him off display now and again
for refurbishing, though.
Is there really a Chairman Mao ornament on the While House Christmas
Tree? Apparently so.
Does anyone find this to be more defensible than, say, a Hitler ornament
or a Stalin ornament? If so, why? -Eric
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Eric S. Harris
> On Dec 24, 2:23 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 24, 12:13 pm, Jon Schild <j...@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I always think this loon can't get any further from rationality, and yet
>>>somehow he does.
>>
>>It's certainly true that Mao Tse-Tung has, fortunately, departed this
>>world, and thus he is in no position to hang ornaments from the
>>Christmas tree at the White House, even were he inclined to
>>participate in such an act of bourgeois decadence in the heart of
>>Yankee imperialism.
>>
>>Of course, those who view "Yankee imperialism" as having something to
>>do with the Civil War might locate its heart further north, such as in
>>Boston, but that is by the way.
>>
>>However, the posting refers to the image of Mao Tse-Tung (aka Mao
>>Zedong) being used in an ornament on the White House tree.
>>
>>I mean, really. Why not Che Guevara? Or Adolph Hitler?
>>
>>Yes, there's a lot of silly stuff in Sound of Trumpet's postings, but
>>that Mao is a mass murderer isn't something controversial; it's quite
>>true.
>
>
> It's an Andy Warhol version of Chairman Mao -- with
> rouge. Do try to make an issue out of it.
>
>
And this makes it better how? I'm not following the reasoning.
So Stalin or Hitler with rouge would be OK too, then? If not, I don't
think I'll ever follow the reasoning. -Eric
Michael Price
> In article <7pniglF99...@mid.individual.net>,
> Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanatos wrote:
> > > In article <7pn04cF3e...@mid.individual.net>, Dan Clore
> > > <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>
> > >> Sound of Trumpet wrote:
> > >>>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2413302/posts
>
> > >>> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> > >>> House Christmas Tree
>
>
> > >>> Posted on 22 December 2009 22:52:32 by American Dream 246
>
> > >>> EXCLUSIVE: Transvestites, Mao And Obama Ornaments Decorate White
> > >>> White House and making some political statements? The White
> > >>> House pegged controversial designer Simon Doonan to oversee the
> > >>> Christmas decorations for the White House. Mr. Doonan, who is
> > >>> creative director of Barney¹s New York has often caused a stir
> > >>> with his design choices. Like his naughty yuletide window display
> > >>> of Margaret Thatcher as a dowdy dominatrix and Dan Quayle as a
> > >>> ventriloquist¹s dummy. For this year¹s White House, he didn¹t
> > >>> disappoint.
> > >>http://mediamatters.org/research/200912230023
>
> > >> The White House sent 800 ornaments to 60 community groups to
> > >> redecorate. Three of them came back with something that regressive
> > >> rightists object to.
>
> > > LOL! Apparently anyone who objects to Mao (who murdered 70 million of
> > > his own citizens) is now a "regressive rightist".
>
> > It's always amusing to see how the number Mao is accused of murdering
> > steadily increases.
>
> edit.
>
> Nevetheless, if your only nitpick is with how many millions he directed
> to be slaughtered, you're not really bolstering your case for the
> regresivity of the people who object to Mao.
Bear in mind if it's only 30 million that's only the equivalent of
30,000
Americans (using the MSM mathematics).
>
> > >> The rightists would surely hate the Christmas ornaments in my
> > >> neighborhood even more -- people put up things like "PEACE" in
> > >> Christmas lights on their roofs.
>
> > > If you think Mao is an icon of peace, then your definition of "peace"
> > > is vastly different than that of the rest of the English-speaking
> > > world.
>
> > I didn't say anything that implies that Mao was an icon of peace.
>
> Sure you did. You said that "regressive rightists" objected to Mao, then
> you said those same rightists would object to peace displays in your
> neighborhood, thereby implicitly linking Mao and peace.
"A little piece of Vietnam, a little piece of Tibet..."
*Anarcissie*
> decoration with a transvestite on it. Does this mean that Mao was a
> transvestite?
Sure looks like it in Warhol's painting. He's
wearing lipstick and rouge.
> Now, as to peace, if the regressive rightists are so concerned about
> mass murder, they might consider re-directing their efforts. Instead of
> whinging about Christmas tree ornaments, they could try to end the wars
> that Obama is waging. How about it?
You're being rational again.
Dan Clore
Turns out you're right. The conservative clowns threw another pie in
their own collective face.
>> Now, as to peace, if the regressive rightists are so concerned
>> about mass murder, they might consider re-directing their efforts.
>> Instead of whinging about Christmas tree ornaments, they could try
>> to end the wars that Obama is waging. How about it?
>
> You're being rational again.
Yup.
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