Brexiit In SF?

[art...@yahoo.com]

Perhaps this, although Scotland doesn't stay home either.
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/england.htm

Perhaps Terry Bisson was more prescient than he realized/

Others

[ba...@dontspam.silent.com]

Brexit is the stupid side of democracy.

[Cryptoengineer]

ba...@dontspam.silent.com wrote in news:4so0nbp22gi14p8le9esqjmcjv7t74ra25@
4ax.com:

For me, it brings to mind Kornbluth's 'The Marching Morons'

pt

[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

ba...@dontspam.silent.com wrote in
news:4so0nbp22gi14p8le...@4ax.com:

Indeed, but the question is, which is the stupid side?

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <XnsA633BD77179...@69.16.179.43>,

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>ba...@dontspam.silent.com wrote in
>news:4so0nbp22gi14p8le...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 16:04:07 -0700 (PDT), "art...@yahoo.com"
>> <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Perhaps this, although Scotland doesn't stay home either.
>>>http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/england.htm
>>>
>>>Perhaps Terry Bisson was more prescient than he realized/
>>>
>>>Others
>>
>> Brexit is the stupid side of democracy.
>
>Indeed, but the question is, which is the stupid side?
>

It's like watching a relative get out of a bad marriage..
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[Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy]

t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
news:dtbem5...@mid.individual.net:

I'm thinking more of a train wreck, of the sort where two trains run
into each other head on at high speed. Neither train prospers.

[mcdow...@sky.com]

I'm reminded of the background in Greg Bear's "Moving Mars" in which Earth wants to unite with Mars for the purpose of some nebulous scheme which is never properly explained. You could also see Earth's use of almost universal psychiatric treatment and the downfall of a Martian politician in the beginning as a sort of extrapolation of Political Correctness - in a way which meant that Political Correctness would actually make sense, at least from Earth's point of view.

I regard myself as British but am aware that I am marked by my upbringing in Northern Ireland, which would not have been my first choice - especially as my Mother could quite possibly have arranged for me to be born in Glasgow, had she thought about it. I was therefore entirely bemused to hear an Englishman be consoled by the news that his son was eligible for an Irish passport, and so could escape the coming decline of England. Possibly only in Hoyles's "Ossian's Ride" would such a move make sense. (If anybody can find SF in which Northern Ireland/Ulster/Dalriada rises to world-wide greatness I will regard it as an unprecedented challenge to my WSOD)

[Robert Carnegie]

Irish citizens will almost certainly have full access
to live and work in Britain, the same as always
(equal opportunities providing).

[Don Kuenz]

Does the verisimilitude stop at the title? :0) Here's yet another take:

The story's Beowulf. The Midlands is Denmark. The Vampire Squid [1] is
Grendel. Mammon is Grendel's mom. Farage is Beowulf.

In this rendition Beowulf hacks Grendel's head clean off during their
first fight. There is no arm trophy. It surprises Beowulf to decapitate
Grendel in one fell swoop during their very first fight. "What are the
odds of that?" asks Beowulf.

In the throes of sudden death Grendel's blood funnel reflexively remains
on the face of humanity for a while. As Grendel's mom appears to unleash
her full fury.

Note.

1. http://preview.tinyurl.com/jha9hve

--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU


Peter Pater
Astrogator
Lost his orbit calculator
Out among the asteroids . . .

They rang the Lutine Bell at Lloyd's

[Robert Bannister]

There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain. If the former does not, it
is going to have horrible problems with EU customs checkpoints and
excise along a very squiggly border that many major roads cross more
than once.
--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972

[Cryptoengineer]

Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote in
news:dte7r3...@mid.individual.net:

There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
.wa is available for Wales by there's nothing derivable from Cymru whic
is not taken. Similarly, Scotland has problems (I suggested if they
can get Russia to finish converting to .ru they could repurpose .su
as 'Scottish Union'. .ul is available for Ulster.

pt

[David DeLaney]

On 2016-06-28, Cryptoengineer <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
> the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
> required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
> .wa is available for Wales by there's nothing derivable from Cymru whic
> is not taken.

.km ?

ok nope, then .ym looks ok. (Does Cymru mutate in spelling when declined,
maybe?) Or .ku .

> Similarly, Scotland has problems (I suggested if they
> can get Russia to finish converting to .ru they could repurpose .su
> as 'Scottish Union'. .ul is available for Ulster.

.hi(lander), of course.

Dave
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[Kevrob]

.ab for Alba? .cd for Caledonia? There are .cymru and .scot

Kevin R

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <bPidnboquMMQZ-zK...@earthlink.com>,

David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>On 2016-06-28, Cryptoengineer <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
>> the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
>> required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
>> .wa is available for Wales by there's nothing derivable from Cymru whic
>> is not taken.
>
>.km ?
>
>ok nope, then .ym looks ok. (Does Cymru mutate in spelling when declined,
>maybe?) Or .ku .
>
>> Similarly, Scotland has problems (I suggested if they
>> can get Russia to finish converting to .ru they could repurpose .su
>> as 'Scottish Union'. .ul is available for Ulster.
>
>.hi(lander), of course.
>

Too many. There can be but one.

[mcdow...@sky.com]

I have not heard of any suggestion that Northern Ireland would become independent. The suggestions are that there would be at least a vote on Ulster/Northern Ireland joining a United Ireland, in which case it would of course not need its own digraph. Northern Ireland is small and internally divided. Even supposing some sort of coup led to an independent Ulster (and I think people did play with the idea during the troubles) it would be unlikely to survive long enough to come to the notice of ICANN.

FWIW Ireland had a territorial claim on N.Ireland until the Good Friday agreements, which is the reason why British Citizens born in N.Ireland, and their grandchildren, are eligible for Irish passports, and also why some of them do not regard this extra option as necessarily a good thing.

[mcdow...@sky.com]

Indeed, there are even examples of people who have houses that straddle the border. Even now there is low-level smuggling where taxes or agricultural subsidies differ, and some of this funds paramilitaries. This should be taken into account when negotiating export policies (free trade would make smuggling pointless), but I doubt if it will be.

[Robert Carnegie]

Please no. My employer just changed its corporate
e-mail and web site from .uk to .scot last year -
not our idea, we had to - and there are people we
deal with who still use the old addresses, or,
so we presume; anyway, we don't hear from them
any more.

[Peter Trei]

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 12:18:26 AM UTC-4, David DeLaney wrote:
> On 2016-06-28, Cryptoengineer <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
> > the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
> > required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
> > .wa is available for Wales by there's nothing derivable from Cymru whic
> > is not taken.
>
> .km

Comoros Islands

>
> ok nope, then .ym looks ok. (Does Cymru mutate in spelling when declined,
> maybe?) Or .ku .

.ym - available, but not evocative
.ku - same

> > Similarly, Scotland has problems (I suggested if they
> > can get Russia to finish converting to .ru they could repurpose .su
> > as 'Scottish Union'. .ul is available for Ulster.
>
> .hi(lander), of course.

available.

pt

[Peter Trei]

.ab is possible. .cd is the Democratic Republic of Congo.
They have to be two letters.

pt

[Peter Trei]

To clarify: A proper ccTLD is two letters, and a national government has
jurisdiction on the registration of names under its ccTLD.

But as of this morning, there are 1365 official TLDs, most of which are not
nationally controlled. These include .wales, .scot, .irish, and .london

pt

[Brett Dunbar]

In message <bPidnboquMMQZ-zK...@earthlink.com>, David
DeLaney <davidd...@earthlink.net> writes

>On 2016-06-28, Cryptoengineer <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
>> the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
>> required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
>> .wa is available for Wales by there's nothing derivable from Cymru whic
>> is not taken.
>
>.km ?
>
>ok nope, then .ym looks ok. (Does Cymru mutate in spelling when declined,
>maybe?) Or .ku .

C can take all three mutations, that however doesn't help.

The soft mutation is g, .gy is Guyana so that is no help.
The nasal mutation is the trigraph ngh so that is no help.
The aspirate mutation is the digraph ch, .ch is Switzerland so that is
no help.
--
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Livejournal http://brett-dunbar.livejournal.com/
Brett Dunbar

[Lawrence Watt-Evans]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:37:20 -0700 (PDT), mcdow...@sky.com wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 4:05:11 AM UTC+1, Robert Bannister wrote:
>>
>> There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
>> breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain. If the former does not, it
>> is going to have horrible problems with EU customs checkpoints and
>> excise along a very squiggly border that many major roads cross more
>> than once.
>

>Indeed, there are even examples of people who have houses that straddle the border. Even now there is low-level smuggling where taxes or agricultural subsidies differ, and some of this funds paramilitaries. This should be taken into account when negotiating export policies (free trade would make smuggling pointless), but I doubt if it will be.

When I was in Ireland two years ago, the talking heads on TV mostly
seemed to be discussing why prices in Ireland were so much higher than
prices in Northern Ireland (and refusing to accept that it was
entirely because Irish taxes are higher than UK taxes), so I am not at
all surprised to hear that smuggling occurs.




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[Brian M. Scott]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:18:21 -0500, David DeLaney
<davidd...@earthlink.net> wrote
in<news:bPidnboquMMQZ-zK...@earthlink.com> in
rec.arts.sf.written:

[...]

> (Does Cymru mutate in spelling when declined, maybe?)

After many prepositions it undergoes soft mutation to
<Gymru>; after the preposition <yn> 'in' (which becomes
<yng>) it undergoes nasal mutation to <Nghymru>; and after
<a> 'and' it undergoes aspirate mutation to <Chymru>.

[...]

Brian
--
It was the neap tide, when the baga venture out of their
holes to root for sandtatties. The waves whispered
rhythmically over the packed sand: haggisss, haggisss,
haggisss.

[Robert Carnegie]

Do they have to be ASCII?

I suppose sc.ot may be possible (even if already taken)
but it'd still mean we'd have to change everything, again.

Or "ch" as in "loch" and Auchtermuchty".

[Kevrob]

ch is Switzerland: "Confoederatio Helvetica" in Latin.

The six counties and Scotland together? .dr, for Dál Riata.

Kevin R

[T Guy]

Thanks for posting this.

It reminds me of something else I once read in its mood and perhaps style. Though, of course, I cannot remember what.

[Lynn McGuire]

+1

Wait, that should be +0. Wait, no, I want to indicate that I like the
comment. Argh!

Lynn

[Robert Bannister]

.wa is already in use for Western Australia and, for all I know, other
places.

[Peter Trei]

Not as a ccTLD, nor as a TLD. As part of my work, I download the official
TLD list from ftp.internic.net/domain/root.zone every day, and as of
this morning, .wa is not in it.

.wa.au is not a TLD, .au is. There's also .wa.us, but that's under
the .US ccTLD.

Can you give an example of a URL ending in .wa?

[NOTE: There are some 'alternative DNS' systems which include .WA, but you have
to configure your DNS resolution to use non-standard servers to access them.
Forex see: http://jagaroth.livejournal.com/72840.html ]

pt

[Robert Bannister]

On 29/06/2016 9:20 PM, Peter Trei wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:14:09 AM UTC-4, Robert Bannister wrote:
>> On 28/06/2016 11:31 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>
>>>
>>> There's an ICANN related FB group I'm in, which is currently pondering
>>> the implications of breaking up the UK for the DNS system. ccTLDs are
>>> required to be two characters, and the obvious ones are taken.
>>> .wa is available for Wales
>>
>> .wa is already in use for Western Australia and, for all I know, other
>> places.
>
> Not as a ccTLD, nor as a TLD. As part of my work, I download the official
> TLD list from ftp.internic.net/domain/root.zone every day, and as of
> this morning, .wa is not in it.
>
> .wa.au is not a TLD, .au is. There's also .wa.us, but that's under
> the .US ccTLD.

Yes. In post-Send mood, I suddenly realised this.

[Greg Goss]

How come it gets a TLD? Shouldn't it be a regional domain under
Australia?

(For much of a decade, I had an email in bc.ca)
--
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[Richard Botting]

Cities In Flight???

[Kevrob]

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 1:28:51 PM UTC-4, Richard Botting wrote:
> Cities In Flight???

DOCTOR WHO did a version of that, too.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Starship_UK

Kevin R

[Jesper Lauridsen]

On 2016-06-28, Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>
> There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
> breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain.

Oddly these two parts were the least enthusiastic when the referendum
to join was held in 1975. And the only two districts to vote "no" were
in the Scotland.

> If the former does not, it
> is going to have horrible problems with EU customs checkpoints and
> excise along a very squiggly border that many major roads cross more
> than once.

Why should that be a problem? There's a huge ass border between Norway
and Sweden, a one all around Switzerland, without any problems whatsoever.
What it a problem 40 years ago?

[Robert Carnegie]

Between Northern Ireland and Eire? Uh... yeah.
Even with legal free movement for the Irish.

[Mark Bestley]

Norway have had to accept free movement of people and pay for the free
market. Whilst many in Brexit voted to leave as they want to stop that.
As for Switerland the migrants would have come from the EU first so no
real net increase

--
Mark

[Peter Trei]

Of some relevance:
http://satwcomic.com/brexit-to-the-right

pt

[art...@yahoo.com]

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:05:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Bannister wrote:

>
> There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
> breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain.

If that happens, will it become
"Adequate" Britain?
"Lousy" Britain?
"Mediocre" Britain?
"Not-so-great" Britain?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <4e2f52b2-0bb4-4a8f...@googlegroups.com>,

Try "England."

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

[Peter Trei]

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 4:30:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <4e2f52b2-0bb4-4a8f...@googlegroups.com>,
> art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:05:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Bannister wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
> >> breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain.
> >
> >If that happens, will it become
> >"Adequate" Britain?
> >"Lousy" Britain?
> >"Mediocre" Britain?
> >"Not-so-great" Britain?

"Little Britain" is already an idiom; describing a section of London near
Smithfield, and more recently the name of a comedy show.

> Try "England."

Only if the Welsh split too.

...then there's Cornwall...

pt

[Stephen Harker]

A return to the Heptarchy with battles (or soccer matches) to decide the
borders?

--
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http://sjharker.customer.netspace.net.au/

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:15:47 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:

>In article <4e2f52b2-0bb4-4a8f...@googlegroups.com>,
>art...@yahoo.com <art...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:05:11 PM UTC-4, Robert Bannister wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is a great deal of talk about Northern Ireland and Scotland
>>> breaking apart from formerly "great" Britain.
>>
>>If that happens, will it become
>>"Adequate" Britain?
>>"Lousy" Britain?
>>"Mediocre" Britain?
>>"Not-so-great" Britain?
>>
>
>Try "England."

Ah, the traditional angle.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Robert Bannister]

Lovely.

[Robert Bannister]

and Yorkshire and Northumbria and Mercia and Anglia...
perhaps it could become Great Wessex, though I'm not sure about London.

[Chrysi Cat]

Oh, God/dess, the pun pain!

I wish Andy Weir were still doing webcomics rather than crappy novels so
I could sic his Pun Police on you!

[Robert Carnegie]

"Great Britain" is the largest of the British Islands.
The one that London is on. The "United Kingdom"
included Scotland and England
(which "annexed" Wales) according to
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>
and Ireland was added later (probably easier said
than done). "Scotfree" perhaps would produce
"The United Kingdom of Some of Britain and Some of
Ireland".

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 00:17:42 -0600, Chrysi Cat <chry...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[snip]

>Oh, God/dess, the pun pain!
>
>I wish Andy Weir were still doing webcomics rather than crappy novels so
>I could sic his Pun Police on you!

Dam, that could be unpleasant!

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko