Folksongs in Science Fiction
Dan Goodman
I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
appreciate additional information.
This includes fiction and/or songs in languages other than English.
1) Why I'm excluding fantasy: Manly Wade Wellman. The stories in his
"John" series average three folksongs each. Also, I'm not well read
in literature for the chronologically disadvantaged (aka children's
literature, aka kiddy lit). I'd like to see this done for fantasy --
but not enough to do the work.
2) Why I'm excluding Sharyn McCrumb: BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN is not
science fiction. She has written other mysteries with fantasy
elements -- SHE WALKS THESE HILLS, for example.
3) Why I'm ignoring that trilogy where the sentient starships keep
singing Bob Dylan songs: Because no knowledgeable and sane person
would count Dylan's songs as "traditional" (though they may be a
century from now).
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Laura Gillenwater
>
>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
>published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
I don't know if this counts, but I recently bought a book called "Phantom
Banjo" which is the first volume of "The Songkiller Saga." According to
the back of the book (I haven't read it yet) it's about how the devils
decide that humans aren't destroying themselves fast enough and the only
thing keeping humans "clinging to the precipice" is folk music. So the
devils set out to eliminate folk music.
As I said, I haven't read it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it
contained some folk lyrics. The author's name is Elizabeth Scarborough.
Good luck; I'll let you know if I think of any more sources!
Laura
Olin Murrell
Laura, go immediately to your book store and buy the rest of that
trilogy. It is a fascinating story. Read anything else with Elizabeth
Scarborough's name on it as well. She's an occasional poster to this
group, a long-time folk music fan, and a fabulous writer.
The "Phantom Banjo" story is filled with a bunch of very real characters
from the Texas Folk Music scene, who have been fairly thinly disguised.
She borrows somewhat from the folk-tales of Wade Manly Wellman(sp?), at
least in concept.
The books do contain some "folk" lyrics, as well as some lyrics from
"modern songwriters," who are very definitely in the folk tradition.
--
Olin Murrell
Austin, TX
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http:/www.realtime.com/~olin
Olin Murrell
Olin Murrell
Maureen S. O'Brien
Re: Phantom Banjo trilogy by Elizabeth Scarborough --
Y'all forgot to mention that us filkers do a guest star turn in
book 3. A fairly large one. Interesting reading, especially
when you read it right after Niven et al's _Fallen Angels_, as I did.
The Devil is afraid of us.... :)
Re: folksongs in sf --
I'll have to look up that "Barnacle Bill" story. And don't forget
Niven & Barnes' use of "The Ballad of Eskimo Nell" throughout
Dream Park, The Barsoom Project, and The California Voodoo Game.
Not to mention the several stories, books, etc. named or quoting
"Fire Next Time" (a spiritual).
--
Maureen S. O'Brien We are like the roses ---
ad...@dayton.wright.edu We are forced to grow.
Olin Murrell
>
> Re: Phantom Banjo trilogy by Elizabeth Scarborough --
>
> Y'all forgot to mention that us filkers do a guest star turn in
> book 3. A fairly large one. Interesting reading, especially
> when you read it right after Niven et al's _Fallen Angels_, as I did.
an old filker from way back, and I can recall some fine times sitting
around a Kerrville campfire with her, swapping stories and tunes.
> The Devil is afraid of us.... :)
> And, well it is that the Devil should be so aware! :)
> Re: folksongs in sf --
>
> I'll have to look up that "Barnacle Bill" story. And don't forget
> Niven & Barnes' use of "The Ballad of Eskimo Nell" throughout
> Dream Park, The Barsoom Project, and The California Voodoo Game.
>
> Not to mention the several stories, books, etc. named or quoting
> "Fire Next Time" (a spiritual).
> --
> Maureen S. O'Brien We are like the roses ---
> ad...@dayton.wright.edu We are forced to grow.
--
edb...@ibm.net
> "Dan Goodman" <d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> >
> >I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
> >science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
> >read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
> >published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
> >appreciate additional information...
There is a Paul Anderson short novel from the late '50s/early '60s
called (if I recall correctly) "Sam Hall", title taken from the song
of the same name.
It was published in "Astounding" (Now "Analog"); I'm sure that an index
of stories from that magazine will point you at it.
Eric
Kim DeVaughn
Laura Gillenwater <twor...@pop3.nfi.com> wrote:
|
| "Dan Goodman" <d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
| >
| >I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
| >science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
| >read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
| >published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
| >appreciate additional information...
| Good luck; I'll let you know if I think of any more sources!
I suppose it depends on how you define "folksongs", but some lines from
both "Home on the Range" and "Ghostriders in the Sky" are used (as minor
plot devices) in L. Ron Hubbard's book "Battlefield Earth".
Their usage is near the end of the book ... probably within the final 75
pages, or so ...
/kim
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"Let there be light." --Bomb
Eric Berge
In Article<4gb2s4$4...@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu>, <ej...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
write:
> I'll have to look up that "Barnacle Bill" story. And don't forget
> Niven & Barnes' use of "The Ballad of Eskimo Nell" throughout
> Dream Park, The Barsoom Project, and The California Voodoo Game.
Also used in L. Sprague de Camp's "The Incompleat Enchanter", to
baffle the Questing Beast.
Eric Berge
Paul J. Stamler
: I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
: science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
: read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
: published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
: appreciate additional information.
Back in the late 40s or early 50s there was a short story entitled "The
Desrick on Yandro", whose title came from a floating traditional verse.
Don't remember the story's author; it may have been included in the
"Treasury of Science Fiction" anthology.
It's been a *long* time since I read the story, but I heard the song
quite recently. Or, I should say, one of the several songs containing the
verse:
I'll build me a desrick on Yandro's high hill
Where the wild beasts can't find me or hear my sad cry...
Peace.
Paul
Robin E. Baylor
seem traditional, although I'm not familiar with them.
"There's a pawnshop on the corner
Where I usually keep my overcoat"
Anyone sure about this one?
--
It's you & me against the world; When do we attack?
Robin
Gary McGath
>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
>published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
>appreciate additional information.
In *The Warlock in Spite of Himself*, the title character becomes a
troubador briefly and sings several songs which are mentioned by title,
including "The Eddystone Light."
Poul Anderson's *The Night Face* makes very effective use of "The Unquiet
Grave." This is listed as a Child Ballad in Wurm-Wald, but David Union
insists it's by one of the big-name poets and not properly a traditional
song. Does anyone have information on this?
As for *The Night Face* itself, read it only if you like really depressing
stuff. It was previously published as *Let the Spacemen Beware!*, a title
which Anderson called "ridiculous."
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Mari J Stoddard
Brian Daley's Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds has a couple of bried
folksongs, somewhat mangled by 3000 years -- "I wish I was in Disney...."
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Diamond mask (I could hear the Rankin Family singing it as I read)
Also, what about the Silver John stories of Manly Wade Wellman - must be
lots of stuff in those
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Paul J. Stamler
: Poul Anderson's *The Night Face* makes very effective use of "The Unquiet
: Grave." This is listed as a Child Ballad in Wurm-Wald, but David Union
: insists it's by one of the big-name poets and not properly a traditional
: song. Does anyone have information on this?
Nope, it's traditional. Check the many versions in Child and elsewhere.
Peace.
Paul
Dana Crom
Paul J. Stamler <psta...@crl.com> wrote:
>Dan Goodman (d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
>
>: I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>: science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>: read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
>: published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
>: appreciate additional information.
>
>Desrick on Yandro", whose title came from a floating traditional verse.
>Don't remember the story's author; it may have been included in the
>"Treasury of Science Fiction" anthology.
>
>It's been a *long* time since I read the story, but I heard the song
>quite recently. Or, I should say, one of the several songs containing the
>verse:
> I'll build me a desrick on Yandro's high hill
> Where the wild beasts can't find me or hear my sad cry...
Paul, Dan had already dismissed this particular author - the story was one
of Manley Wade Wellman's _Silver John_ stories.
Besides several short-story collections, Wellman wrote a few full-length
Silver John novels. There was also a fair amount of character crossover
with his "Judge Pursuevient" (spelling almost certainly wrong, here) and
"John Thunstone" stories.
Wonderful stories, and I would *love* to have the music to go along with
Wellman's published lyrics. Where did you hear the song(s)?
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contemporary stuff as well, but _Cowboy Feng's Space Bar And Grill_ is
about a banjo player lost in time and space in a weird bar. The chapter
quotes are folk songs, and there are a few times when people are playing,
and he drops the names of some tunes.
If you don't mind some fantasy, Charles DeLint's main characters seem to
all be fiddlers. Not much in the way of songs, but lots of tunes. In fact,
The Little Country includes as an appendix a bunch of fiddle tunes in the
Irish style written by DeLint. Some of them are even good.
-jon
Raj
In article <8919...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Dan Goodman,
d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu writes:
>
>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
>published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
>appreciate additional information.
fascinating read, is about a couple folksingers in England and has lots
and lots of folksongs in it.
Raj
Blars Blarson
Dana Crom <da...@morc.mfg.sgi.com> wrote:
>Besides several short-story collections, Wellman wrote a few full-length
>Silver John novels. There was also a fair amount of character crossover
>with his "Judge Pursuevient" (spelling almost certainly wrong, here) and
>"John Thunstone" stories.
>Wonderful stories, and I would *love* to have the music to go along with
>Wellman's published lyrics. Where did you hear the song(s)?
Joe Bethancourt's tape "Who Fears the Devil". Available from Random
Factors and elsewhere.
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http://sundry.hsc.usc.edu/blars.html
How well do we use our freedom to choose the illusions we create? -- Timbuk3
pat neff
: I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
: science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
: read everything in the field (though I HAVE read all of Hemingway's
: published fantasy and all of Lawrence Block's published sf), I would
: appreciate additional information.
... Does "The Wizard of Oz" song count? It was used at the end of
Hyperion.
Anne B. Nonie Rider
also Jayge Karr (sp?) LEVIATHAN'S DEEP. She provides
hilariously aquatic versions of ballad topoi--something
like:
"Go sail for me the milk-white ship,
"Go sail for me the brown,
"Go sail for me the fastest ship
"That ever sailed to town."
--Nonie
Bernie Finkelstein
correctly he uses "Mama Wants To Barrelhouse All Night Long" and "World's Got The Blues". He
gives Bruce credit. Are these folk songs. They certainly are by the time the action in Triton takes
place.
Hope this helps.
Daniel S Goodman
songs from our time will be folksongs a century or more in the future?
It's unlikely that many will be in the same form; some of the Victorian
music hall songs which are now folksongs have been impurgated, for example.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Daniel S Goodman
Nick Smith <smithnik@I_should_put_my_domain_in_etc_NNTP_INEWS_DOMAIN> wrote:
>The most obvious other examples of folk songs in fantasy/sf are the Manly
>Wade Wellman novels and stories about John the Balladeer. Also there are
>several stories and novels based on individual ballads like "Tam Lin".
>Look for last fall's issue of Sing Out magazine, which has a good article
>about ballads and fantasy (it's the same issue that has an article about
>filk as an aspect of folk music).
A problem with Wellman's stories is, each of the short stories about JOhn
has at least three folksongs referenced in it.
And maybe more that I've missed.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.mn.edu
Daniel S Goodman
did have a rough guide for distinguishing between sf and fantasy -- if
it's got spaceships in it, if it has elves, it's fantasy. But Poul
Anderson, Lester Del Rey, and possibly Will Shetterly have written
stories with both elves and spaceships.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Daniel S Goodman
Robin E. Baylor <rba...@lmsc.lockheed.com> wrote:
>In "Time Enough for Love" by Heinlein there are some songs that
>seem traditional, although I'm not familiar with them.
>
>"There's a pawnshop on the corner
>Where I usually keep my overcoat"
>
>Anyone sure about this one?
It's vaudeville or Tin Pan Alley rather than folk, I think.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
73770.1500@compuserve.com@compuserve.com
Pay attention to Jack Vance, whose stories are full of music and wonderful
invented musical instruments. Douglas Adams is worth a nod, but maybe
mostly for rock references.
Cecil Rose
Bernie Finkelstein
>Why aren't counting the Cockburn songs. Do you have a definition of Folk or Science Fiction that would leave out Delaney and Cockburn.
Stephanie A. Hall
: While I'm not counting this, it brings up an interesting question -- what
: It's unlikely that many will be in the same form; some of the Victorian
: music hall songs which are now folksongs have been impurgated, for example.
There are lots of new folksongs -- depending a little on how you want to
define them. The way folklorists look at it, folksongs are intended for
consumption by a particular group. So they are (usually) distinct from
songs written and sung for commercial publication for wide audiences
(small pressings for local distribution might still be folk).
Music Hall songs are often now thought of as folk songs, but to an
academic folklorist they would usually be called popular songs. There is
some waffling on this since sometimes, once a group thinks of a popular
song as a folk song (especially one of "their" ethnic identity songs), it
starts to be used like one.
Anyhow, some US examples of modern folk songs are filk songs (oh yes), songs
sung by vets (A cd of songs of Vietnam vets was recently published, gathered
together and produced by folklorist Lydia Fish, titled _In Country_), and the
various hacker's parodies that circulate on the nets. Contrary to reports of
their demise, ballads are still composed for local consumption by local
singers in many parts of the English speaking world. And, of course, lots
of ethnic groups still make songs for themselves just as they always
did.
So there will be lots of folksongs in the future -- we have them now.
Stephanie
Stephanie A. Hall, Archivist - sh...@loc.gov
Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20540-8100
Opinions mine
Daniel S Goodman
And thanks for reminding me about Julian May:
There was a man lived in the moon
In the moon
In the moon.
There was a man lived in the moon
And his name was Aikin Drum.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Daniel S Goodman
Bernie Finkelstein <trun...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Daniel S Goodman) wrote:
>>In article <4gf8fd$5...@sam.inforamp.net>,
>>Bernie Finkelstein <trun...@inforamp.net> wrote:
>>>Samuel Delaney uses several Bruce Cockburn songs in his great book "Triton" . If I remember
>>>correctly he uses "Mama Wants To Barrelhouse All Night Long" and "World's Got The Blues". He
>>>gives Bruce credit. Are these folk songs. They certainly are by the time the action in Triton takes
>>>place.
>>songs from our time will be folksongs a century or more in the future?
>>It's unlikely that many will be in the same form; some of the Victorian
>>music hall songs which are now folksongs have been impurgated, for example.
>>
>>Why aren't counting the Cockburn songs. Do you have a definition of Folk or Science Fiction that would leave out Delaney and Cockburn.
It also excludes Bob Dylan, who I understand won a Grammy for traditional
folk music.
DanGoodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Daniel S Goodman
Mari J Stoddard <stod...@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>Brian Daley's Requiem for a Ruler of Worlds has a couple of bried
>folksongs, somewhat mangled by 3000 years -- "I wish I was in Disney...."
century.....
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
I don't want to get adjusted to this world
I've got a better one in the sky
Scruffy76
Larry Niven. Like Poul Anderson there are a number of his books and
stories with filk/folk in them. The Dream Park novels have already been
mentioned but there are several others, Fallen Angels for instance. I
can't find my copies of Integral Trees/Smoke Ring right now but I'd swear
one of the characters is singing a Leslie Fish song in one of them.
Edward Easton
<d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes
>
>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>century from now).
>
>Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
>
If my memory is correct there are a number of 'folk songs' in Heinlein's
novels. One I best recall is 'The green hills of earth' sung by a blind
singer from Mars. The original story is one of his short series but is
recounted again in 'Time enough for loving'. The tune is unattributed
but I don't believe is original Heinlein. It has a familiar ring from
somewhere else. Another 'There's a pawns shop on the corner' turns up in
'Time enough for loving' as a series of lyrics sung by one of the
characters. Heinlein's output was considerable so It isn't particularly
easy to track it down even though I have all his books.
Please mail me if you want more info
--
Edward Easton
Yeadon, Yorkshire, UK
Daniel S Goodman
so I figured on leaving out "The Green Hills of Earth". However, I have
to check out the possibility of its being taken from an existing military
folksong. "There's a pawn shop on the corner" -- I'm pretty sure that's
a Tin Pan Alley song.
Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Gary McGath
>If my memory is correct there are a number of 'folk songs' in Heinlein's
>novels. One I best recall is 'The green hills of earth' sung by a blind
>singer from Mars. The original story is one of his short series but is
>recounted again in 'Time enough for loving'. The tune is unattributed
>but I don't believe is original Heinlein.
Is there music printed in any version of "The Green Hills of Earth" (the
story) or *Time Enough for Love*? I've never seen any music for it in any
of Heinlein's own published work. Several filkers have written tunes and
additional verses for it, though. If there's an edition in which Heinlein
included music (whether written by him or simply designated as his choice
of tune), I'd be very interested.
Joseph C Fineman
>Is there music printed in any version of "The Green Hills of Earth" (the
>story) or *Time Enough for Love*? I've never seen any music for it in any
>of Heinlein's own published work. Several filkers have written tunes and
>additional verses for it, though. If there's an edition in which Heinlein
>included music (whether written by him or simply designated as his choice
>of tune), I'd be very interested.
In the late 1940s I heard a radio dramatization of "The Green Hills of
Earth" (probably on the weekly _Dimension X_ series) in which the
eponymous song was sung to a tune substantially the same as "Rosin the
Beau".
--
Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
239 Clinton Road (617) 731-9190
Brookline, MA 02146
Erik Dutton
Goodman) wrote:
>In article <4gdi53$d...@remus.reed.edu>,
>consequently a rogue <jkip...@reed.edu> wrote:
>>Steven Brust is mostly known as a fantasy writer...
Brust is also associated in some way with the modern-folk group Boiled
in Lead, along with Megan Lindholm (another fine fantasy writer) -
their recent collaboration novel _The Gypsy_ has occasioned an
album of the same name, related thereto. Not traditional folk, but
quite interesting nonetheless...
Erik Dutton
edu...@vnet.net
Edward Easton
<d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes
>>>
>>>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>>>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>>>would count Dylan's songs as "traditional" (though they may be a
>>>century from now).
>>>
>>>Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
>
Another Heinlein - 'Morning Red' - an old Hungarian cavalry song I think
turns up in 'Star Fox' - my copy's gone AWOL so I cant give more
information but I think there are a couple more tunes since a key
character is a wandering minstral.
In Piers Anthonys 'Bio of a Space Tyrant' there are at least half a
dozen since the characters have to adopt a signature tune. First (and
most) instances are in vol 2 'Mercenary' where there are
Old Man River
Worried Man Blues
Hangman (1st line Hangman, Hangman, slak your rope)
Men of the soil (I dont recognize so possibly reworking of some
other song)
Joe Hill
Beautiful Dreamer
Probably several more.
If you dont have access to copy mail me and I skim through and check out
the titles & lyrics.
Robert Bonomi
>In article <e2wN3CAY...@scarboro.demon.co.uk><QMZ+iEA5QOMxEw+w@scarbo,
>
> few more that surfaced in my memory today (while playing my clarinet):
>>Another Heinlein - 'Morning Red' - an old Hungarian cavalry song I think
According to the book, "Morgenrot, Morgenrot" is Austrian.
>>turns up in 'Star Fox' - my copy's gone AWOL so I cant give more
>>information but I think there are a couple more tunes since a key
>>character is a wandering minstral.
>
>Except _The Star Fox_ is Poul Anderson's work, not Heinlein.
a bunch of others, a nice 'semi-nonsense' one "Skinna-ma Rinky Doodle-do"
(i -think- that's the name).
there are several others where lyrics are quoted, but I don't recognize
names (I'll readily admit to a deficiency in French).
and several that are mentioned only by name -- British Grenadiers, Marching
through Georgia, etc.
And the -original- words, to the old Irish tune now commonly known as 'When
Johnny Comes Marching Home"
Robert Bonomi
Edward Easton <edw...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4gr3mg$g...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, Daniel S Goodman
><d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> writes
>>>>
>>>>I'm putting together a list of traditional folksongs used in written
>>>>science fiction -- quoted, mined for titles, etc. Since I haven't
>>>>would count Dylan's songs as "traditional" (though they may be a
>>>>century from now).
>>>>
>>>>Dan Goodman d...@maroon.tc.umn.edu
>>
>Another Heinlein - 'Morning Red' - an old Hungarian cavalry song I think
>information but I think there are a couple more tunes since a key
>character is a wandering minstral.
>dozen since the characters have to adopt a signature tune. First (and
>most) instances are in vol 2 'Mercenary' where there are
> Old Man River
> Worried Man Blues
> Hangman (1st line Hangman, Hangman, slak your rope)
> Men of the soil (I dont recognize so possibly reworking of some
>other song)
> Joe Hill
> Beautiful Dreamer
> Probably several more.
>If you dont have access to copy mail me and I skim through and check out
>the titles & lyrics.
>--
>Edward Easton
> Yeadon, Yorkshire, UK
Heinlein cites several, in an incidental way, in Starship Troopers
Pournelle uses "Cool, Clear, Water" in Lucifer's Hammer.
J Evans
>Whether the folk songs in _Riddley Walker_ are traditional for us, they
>certainly are for the novel's characters.
"Don't go Riddley Walker's track
Drop John's riding on his back."
Similarly, let me add the songs in John Myers Myers' SILVERLOCK, along
with a general recommendation for the book, one of the finest light
fantasies I have ever read. If, that is, you can find it.
Jon
http://sunee.uwaterloo.ca/~jemevans
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