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Brenda Clough
Feb 10, 2012, 12:09:25 AM2/10/12
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More plot progress, more! And the soporific qualities of the
Storyteller are really marketable.
Brenda
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Storyteller are really marketable.
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Robert Carnegie
Feb 10, 2012, 6:46:05 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 5:09 am, Brenda Clough <BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> More plot progress, more! And the soporific qualities of the
> Storyteller are really marketable.
>
> Brenda
If the Storyteller isn't universally soporific, then Prince Tarvek may
> More plot progress, more! And the soporific qualities of the
> Storyteller are really marketable.
>
> Brenda
have just gone a teeny bit too far, in the last panel, there.
Is the clank in the background smouldering from the ears?
And, wait:
(1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
(Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
(2) When did Gil figure out that normally, Sparks aren't waspable? In
the fight around the hive in Castle Wulfenbach, he seemed to expect
that he and Agatha would be turned into Revenants. Also, in the
"Dragon from Mars" story, Klaus had been wasped. And that little
scientist guy was a revenant, so do we conclude he /wasn't/ a Spark?
And the other scientist guy, that he killed - also not a Spark?
Maybe just that when they weaselled everybody in Castle Wulfenbach for
wasps, they found all of the Sparks were clean?
Or the insight that presumably The Other made war on Sparks /because/
they weren't waspable, to be converted without conflict?
Greg Goss
Feb 10, 2012, 9:00:01 AM2/10/12
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Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>Is the clank in the background smouldering from the ears?
A decade ago, or whenever this storyline actually started, mechs were
>Is the clank in the background smouldering from the ears?
generally steam-driven with lots of dirty coal smoke everywhere.
Somewhere along the way they seemed to switch to electronic, perhaps
with explicit tubes or else hidden unexplained energy.
"idle smoke" may just be a return to those roots.
--
"Recessions catch what the auditors miss." (Galbraith)
Konrad Gaertner
Feb 10, 2012, 3:28:34 PM2/10/12
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Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> And, wait:
>
> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
>
> And, wait:
>
> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
Klaus.
> (2) When did Gil figure out that normally, Sparks aren't waspable?
> In
> the fight around the hive in Castle Wulfenbach, he seemed to expect
> that he and Agatha would be turned into Revenants.
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Feb 10, 2012, 3:59:55 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>
>> And, wait:
>>
>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>
>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> Klaus.
That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>
>> And, wait:
>>
>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>
>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> Klaus.
IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
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Robert Carnegie
Feb 10, 2012, 6:47:46 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 8:59 pm, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
spark under controlled conditions. Obviously they'd also want to work
out how to reproduce it. I don't remember Lucrezia suggesting
otherwise. And /then/, Klaus.
However, meeting him when Lucregatha did seems to have been a complete
surprise. Indeed, she was in the act of ordering the Jagers not to
contact h m.
Well, maybe there /was/ a change of plan, that we weren't told about
at the time. And Lunevka basically disappeared from the story in
Sturmhalten, and e ventually showed up in the hospital in
Mechanicsburg. So we weren't getting everything.
<seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>
> > Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> >> And, wait:
>
> >> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> >> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> > Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> > hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> > a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> > Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
I don't remember it that way - they were going to use it on a minor
> On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>
> > Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> >> And, wait:
>
> >> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> >> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> > Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> > hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> > a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> > Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
spark under controlled conditions. Obviously they'd also want to work
out how to reproduce it. I don't remember Lucrezia suggesting
otherwise. And /then/, Klaus.
However, meeting him when Lucregatha did seems to have been a complete
surprise. Indeed, she was in the act of ordering the Jagers not to
contact h m.
Well, maybe there /was/ a change of plan, that we weren't told about
at the time. And Lunevka basically disappeared from the story in
Sturmhalten, and e ventually showed up in the hospital in
Mechanicsburg. So we weren't getting everything.
David Goldfarb
Feb 10, 2012, 6:38:01 PM2/10/12
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In article <jh40gb$mlt$1...@dont-email.me>,
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060802
Tarvek gives the little hive to Vrin. His plan is to infect a minor
spark under controlled conditions, so that they can reverse-engineer
it, and only then try for Klaus's empire. Lucregatha is not present.
She turns up with it later, and takes advantage of the opportunity
which presents itself.
--
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goldf...@gmail.com |perhaps fewer, Republicans eat people..."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- James Nicoll
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>
>>> And, wait:
>>>
>>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>>
>>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>>
>> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
>> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
>> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
>> Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
>IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
>one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
The relevant conversation is here:
>On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>
>>> And, wait:
>>>
>>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>>
>>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>>
>> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
>> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
>> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
>> Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
>IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
>one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060802
Tarvek gives the little hive to Vrin. His plan is to infect a minor
spark under controlled conditions, so that they can reverse-engineer
it, and only then try for Klaus's empire. Lucregatha is not present.
She turns up with it later, and takes advantage of the opportunity
which presents itself.
--
David Goldfarb |"...at a guess, not more than one in three, and
goldf...@gmail.com |perhaps fewer, Republicans eat people..."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- James Nicoll
Brenda Clough
Feb 10, 2012, 7:05:24 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 3:59 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>
>>> And, wait:
>>>
>>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>>
>>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>>
>> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
>> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
>> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
>> Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
>
>
>
>
Wasping is such an obviously useful trick that I do not believe it would
> On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>
>>> And, wait:
>>>
>>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>>>
>>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>>
>> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
>> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
>> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
>> Klaus.
>
> That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
>
>
>
>
not work on Sparks. That theory sounds like a combination of
coincidence/wishful thinking/ignorance. In any case, obviously it DOES
work, on Klaus. The real question is, is un-wasping possible at all?
Robert Carnegie
Feb 10, 2012, 7:30:25 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 11, 12:05 am, Brenda Clough <BrendaWri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 3:59 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
> >> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> >>> And, wait:
>
> >>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> >>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> >> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> >> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> >> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> >> Klaus.
>
> > That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> > IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> > one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
>
> Wasping is such an obviously useful trick that I do not believe it would
> not work on Sparks. That theory sounds like a combination of
> coincidence/wishful thinking/ignorance. In any case, obviously it DOES
> work, on Klaus. The real question is, is un-wasping possible at all?
If you think of it as a disease, lots of people may be immune. Maybe
> On 2/10/2012 3:59 PM, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/10/12 3:28 PM, Konrad Gaertner wrote:
> >> Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> >>> And, wait:
>
> >>> (1) When was it the plan for Lucrezia to wasp Klaus?
>
> >>> (Vrin wanted to wasp Tarvek.)
>
> >> Lucrezia-in-Agatha was carrying the special wasp when Agatha's big
> >> hologram-with-music was activated. That said, I thought there was
> >> a conversation saying they wanted to test it before trying it on
> >> Klaus.
>
> > That was a Tarvek suggestion, almost certainly a delaying tactic, and
> > IIRC Lucrezia nixed it based on the obvious argument that she only had
> > one and wasn't going to waste it on a test.
>
> Wasping is such an obviously useful trick that I do not believe it would
> not work on Sparks. That theory sounds like a combination of
> coincidence/wishful thinking/ignorance. In any case, obviously it DOES
> work, on Klaus. The real question is, is un-wasping possible at all?
Sparks tend to have a benign infection of nanoths, microscopic
mimmoths, that fight off the wasps. Or we wouldn't have this set-up:
Lucrezia would have wasped everyone in the world.
Wayne Throop
Feb 10, 2012, 7:23:17 PM2/10/12
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: Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com>
: Wasping is such an obviously useful trick that I do not believe it
and she *invented* the wasps.
: In any case, obviously it DOES work, on Klaus. The real question is,
got out of Snarlantz's labs in Passholdt. Before they were
overrun by the unfortunate byproducts of his experiments.
See "bridgemonsters" mini-arc.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050627
along with some stuff Tarvek said in Sturmhalten I'm too lazy to look up.
Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
By the way... I conclude Bill/Barry didn't/don't know because
if they did, they'd probably have been exploiting the knowledge
a bit more overtly. And especially if they knew how, they would
just about have to have discovered the stealth revenants, and the
fact that the shambling revenants are merely statistical outliers.
And I don't see how/why they'd have kept that secret, if they had.
But I suppose that reasoning isn't all that sturdy...
: Wasping is such an obviously useful trick that I do not believe it
: would not work on Sparks. That theory sounds like a combination of
: coincidence/wishful thinking/ignorance.
Well, Lucrezia believed it (of standard issue wasps),
: coincidence/wishful thinking/ignorance.
and she *invented* the wasps.
: In any case, obviously it DOES work, on Klaus. The real question is,
: is un-wasping possible at all?
*It* does. Not *they* do. The One Special Wasp that they
got out of Snarlantz's labs in Passholdt. Before they were
overrun by the unfortunate byproducts of his experiments.
See "bridgemonsters" mini-arc.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050627
along with some stuff Tarvek said in Sturmhalten I'm too lazy to look up.
Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
By the way... I conclude Bill/Barry didn't/don't know because
if they did, they'd probably have been exploiting the knowledge
a bit more overtly. And especially if they knew how, they would
just about have to have discovered the stealth revenants, and the
fact that the shambling revenants are merely statistical outliers.
And I don't see how/why they'd have kept that secret, if they had.
But I suppose that reasoning isn't all that sturdy...
Dorothy J Heydt
Feb 10, 2012, 7:57:10 PM2/10/12
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In article <13289...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>
>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
Theo told the tale of Klaus being un-wasped in "The Tale of the
>
>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
Dragon of Mars," and Zulenna or somebody said very firmly that it
is *not* possible.
Which proves nothing either way, of course....
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Brenda Clough
Feb 10, 2012, 9:48:10 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 7:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article<13289...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop<thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>
>> Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>> Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>> Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>
> Theo told the tale of Klaus being un-wasped in "The Tale of the
> Dragon of Mars," and Zulenna or somebody said very firmly that it
> is *not* possible.
>
> Which proves nothing either way, of course....
>
I am more and more convinced that "Dragon from Mars" is at least as
> In article<13289...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop<thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>
>> Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>> Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>> Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>
> Theo told the tale of Klaus being un-wasped in "The Tale of the
> Dragon of Mars," and Zulenna or somebody said very firmly that it
> is *not* possible.
>
> Which proves nothing either way, of course....
>
significant to the story as Klaus's more recent "Lost Prince vs Witch"
tale. I will further depose that all in-story fictions (I am thinking
of the Storm King opera here) are very important. The out-of-story
fictions (Cinderella, Weasel Queen) are not -- so far.
Greg Goss
Feb 11, 2012, 12:43:48 AM2/11/12
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thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
Lucrezia invented them, and Agatha has hypothetical access to those
>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
memories.
Brett Dunbar
Feb 11, 2012, 1:50:18 PM2/11/12
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In message <jh4kth$343$1...@dont-email.me>, Brenda Clough
<Brenda...@yahoo.com> writes
in the novelisation it is almost entirely skipped, there is a reference
to Dumedd telling a story to the children but the details of the story
are entirely omitted. If it mattered it would have been included. The
novel expands on most aspects of the story, the reduction in attention
to the Dragon King story seems to be a reaction to people over
interpreting an irrelevant background detail as something significant.
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Brett Dunbar
<Brenda...@yahoo.com> writes
>On 2/10/2012 7:57 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article<13289...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop<thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>> Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>> Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>>
>> Theo told the tale of Klaus being un-wasped in "The Tale of the
>> Dragon of Mars," and Zulenna or somebody said very firmly that it
>> is *not* possible.
>>
>> Which proves nothing either way, of course....
>>
>
>I am more and more convinced that "Dragon from Mars" is at least as
>significant to the story as Klaus's more recent "Lost Prince vs Witch"
>tale. I will further depose that all in-story fictions (I am thinking
>of the Storm King opera here) are very important. The out-of-story
>fictions (Cinderella, Weasel Queen) are not -- so far.
I'm quite convinced that the Dragon King story is entirely unimportant,
>> In article<13289...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop<thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>> Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>> Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>>
>> Theo told the tale of Klaus being un-wasped in "The Tale of the
>> Dragon of Mars," and Zulenna or somebody said very firmly that it
>> is *not* possible.
>>
>> Which proves nothing either way, of course....
>>
>
>I am more and more convinced that "Dragon from Mars" is at least as
>significant to the story as Klaus's more recent "Lost Prince vs Witch"
>tale. I will further depose that all in-story fictions (I am thinking
>of the Storm King opera here) are very important. The out-of-story
>fictions (Cinderella, Weasel Queen) are not -- so far.
in the novelisation it is almost entirely skipped, there is a reference
to Dumedd telling a story to the children but the details of the story
are entirely omitted. If it mattered it would have been included. The
novel expands on most aspects of the story, the reduction in attention
to the Dragon King story seems to be a reaction to people over
interpreting an irrelevant background detail as something significant.
--
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Livejournal http://brett-dunbar.livejournal.com/
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Gene Wirchenko
Feb 12, 2012, 11:03:03 PM2/12/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:00:01 -0700, Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>Is the clank in the background smouldering from the ears?
>
>A decade ago, or whenever this storyline actually started, mechs were
>generally steam-driven with lots of dirty coal smoke everywhere.
Someone realised that steampunk does not have to mean
>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>Is the clank in the background smouldering from the ears?
>
>A decade ago, or whenever this storyline actually started, mechs were
>generally steam-driven with lots of dirty coal smoke everywhere.
"smokepunk"? Besides, think of the simpler art without smoke.
>Somewhere along the way they seemed to switch to electronic, perhaps
>with explicit tubes or else hidden unexplained energy.
>"idle smoke" may just be a return to those roots.
Have you seen model trains with smoke generators?
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Robert Carnegie
Feb 13, 2012, 8:15:53 AM2/13/12
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interesting approach to the Prime Directive - less-developed worlds
were supplied posiwhatsit brains for robots, but they had to build the
bodies themselves. They also had to tell the robots to go stoke
themselves, or perhaps I misunderstood the language. :-)
But in this case, I believe that the Storyteller (who represents the
guy who is drawing the pictures) over-fabulated the clank's little
mechanical or electronic brain - like in Star Trek, I think.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Mudd> specifically, perhaps?
Paul Ciszek
Feb 13, 2012, 1:55:27 PM2/13/12
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In article <9pmdg7...@mid.individual.net>,
Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>
>>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>
>Lucrezia invented them, and Agatha has hypothetical access to those
>memories.
It took Pinky years to train for that, though. Agatha has other things
>thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>
>>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>
>Lucrezia invented them, and Agatha has hypothetical access to those
>memories.
to do.
And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Feb 13, 2012, 2:36:08 PM2/13/12
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In article <jhbmav$da6$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>In article <9pmdg7...@mid.individual.net>,
>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>>
>>>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>>
>>Lucrezia invented them, and Agatha has hypothetical access to those
>>memories.
>
>It took Pinky years to train for that, though. Agatha has other things
>to do.
>
>And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
Apparently Tarvek is readying himself to do just that.
>
>In article <9pmdg7...@mid.individual.net>,
>Greg Goss <go...@gossg.org> wrote:
>>thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
>>
>>>Now, is un-wasping possible. If so, it's fairly certain neither
>>>Klaus, Gil, nor Bill/Barry knew how, and Agatha does not. Whether
>>>Lucrezia knows how is another issue.
>>
>>Lucrezia invented them, and Agatha has hypothetical access to those
>>memories.
>
>It took Pinky years to train for that, though. Agatha has other things
>to do.
>
>And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
Wayne Throop
Feb 13, 2012, 2:51:45 PM2/13/12
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:: And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: Apparently Tarvek is readying himself to do just that.
Distinct task. Tarvek's working on a Lucrezia-exorcizer.
Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor, and it's
been removed-with-nasty-consequences a couple times already. So, having
a backup, say, as an anklet or other hidden location, for occasions when
somebody rips Barry's off her neck, might be wise. Better still, make
the backups be in ray form, and have her staff carry Lucrezia-supressor
ray guns at all times.
Of course, that's only relevant if Tarvek doesn't come up with a timely
result to his task. But still, might be worth investing in.
Of course, the question becomes, who knows enough about the locket's
construction to make a backup, or enhance it into a ray? Well...
besides Klaus of course, since even though he's now going to be available,
he probably wouldn't work on such a project.
Wait, wait... heh, her dingbot swarm *is* a Lucrezia-suppressor in remote
application form. All she has to do is keep some of them around her
to play back her heterodyning, as they did in Sturmhalten. Though I
suppose we haven't seen music snap her *out* of it yet, just keep her
from falling *into* it... or have we?
: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
: Apparently Tarvek is readying himself to do just that.
Distinct task. Tarvek's working on a Lucrezia-exorcizer.
Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor, and it's
been removed-with-nasty-consequences a couple times already. So, having
a backup, say, as an anklet or other hidden location, for occasions when
somebody rips Barry's off her neck, might be wise. Better still, make
the backups be in ray form, and have her staff carry Lucrezia-supressor
ray guns at all times.
Of course, that's only relevant if Tarvek doesn't come up with a timely
result to his task. But still, might be worth investing in.
Of course, the question becomes, who knows enough about the locket's
construction to make a backup, or enhance it into a ray? Well...
besides Klaus of course, since even though he's now going to be available,
he probably wouldn't work on such a project.
Wait, wait... heh, her dingbot swarm *is* a Lucrezia-suppressor in remote
application form. All she has to do is keep some of them around her
to play back her heterodyning, as they did in Sturmhalten. Though I
suppose we haven't seen music snap her *out* of it yet, just keep her
from falling *into* it... or have we?
Jaimie Vandenbergh
Feb 13, 2012, 3:24:20 PM2/13/12
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:51:45 GMT, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
wrote:
>:: And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
>
>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>: Apparently Tarvek is readying himself to do just that.
>
>Distinct task. Tarvek's working on a Lucrezia-exorcizer.
>Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor,
Mmm, inasmuch as it was a spark-suppressor that Agatha's sparkiness is
no longer suppressed by, which still happens to suppress other sparks
inhabiting her brain.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Cartography:
The fine art of loading cars into ballistas and flinging them into walls
-- http://www.bunny-comic.com/586.html
wrote:
>:: And someone needs to get to work on a backup Lucrezia-supressor, too.
>
>: djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
>: Apparently Tarvek is readying himself to do just that.
>
>Distinct task. Tarvek's working on a Lucrezia-exorcizer.
>Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor,
no longer suppressed by, which still happens to suppress other sparks
inhabiting her brain.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
Cartography:
The fine art of loading cars into ballistas and flinging them into walls
-- http://www.bunny-comic.com/586.html
Edward A. Falk
Feb 13, 2012, 7:34:56 PM2/13/12
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In article <a9sij71mhdsng3dq1...@4ax.com>,
Is Lucrezia in Zola or not? How/when did she get there?
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jai...@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:51:45 GMT, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
>wrote:
>
>>
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:51:45 GMT, thr...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Distinct task. Tarvek's working on a Lucrezia-exorcizer.
>>Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor,
>
>Mmm, inasmuch as it was a spark-suppressor that Agatha's sparkiness is
>no longer suppressed by, which still happens to suppress other sparks
>inhabiting her brain.
Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
>>Barry is the one who supplied the current Lucrezia-supressor,
>
>Mmm, inasmuch as it was a spark-suppressor that Agatha's sparkiness is
>no longer suppressed by, which still happens to suppress other sparks
>inhabiting her brain.
Is Lucrezia in Zola or not? How/when did she get there?
--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
Wayne Throop
Feb 13, 2012, 7:41:51 PM2/13/12
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: fa...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
: Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
: How/when did she get there?
Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
Of course, she's somewhat stuck, since Zola had pre-prepared a
neural trap for her (as explained on the next few pages after the above),
so that Lucrezia avatars check in, but they don't check out. Nor get
left in charge.
Mirrors on the ceiling,
Pink champagne on ice
We are all just prisoners here
Of our own device
And in the master's chambers,
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can't kill the beast
--- Eagles, "Hotel California"
: Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
: Is Lucrezia in Zola or not?
Yes. Yes she is.
: How/when did she get there?
Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
Of course, she's somewhat stuck, since Zola had pre-prepared a
neural trap for her (as explained on the next few pages after the above),
so that Lucrezia avatars check in, but they don't check out. Nor get
left in charge.
Mirrors on the ceiling,
Pink champagne on ice
We are all just prisoners here
Of our own device
And in the master's chambers,
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives,
But they just can't kill the beast
--- Eagles, "Hotel California"
Robert Carnegie
Feb 13, 2012, 9:35:21 PM2/13/12
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On Feb 14, 12:41 am, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop) wrote:
> : f...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten, but
that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what was it?
mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain mentioning their
name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/ be Zola making a
mistake.
> : f...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
> : Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
> : Is Lucrezia in Zola or not?
>
> Yes. Yes she is.
>
> : How/when did she get there?
>
> Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
>
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
>
> Of course, she's somewhat stuck, since Zola had pre-prepared a
> neural trap for her (as explained on the next few pages after the above),
> so that Lucrezia avatars check in, but they don't check out. Nor get
> left in charge.
But in the Hospital... well... I was going to claim that she shows no
> : Is Lucrezia in Zola or not?
>
> Yes. Yes she is.
>
> : How/when did she get there?
>
> Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
>
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
>
> Of course, she's somewhat stuck, since Zola had pre-prepared a
> neural trap for her (as explained on the next few pages after the above),
> so that Lucrezia avatars check in, but they don't check out. Nor get
> left in charge.
signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten, but
that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what was it?
mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain mentioning their
name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/ be Zola making a
mistake.
J. Clarke
Feb 13, 2012, 9:37:43 PM2/13/12
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In article <3f1be1be-014a-4ccb-9b00-ae6989f16781
@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com says...
Ever read any China Mieville? In at least one one of his stories (but I
forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com says...
forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
Paul Ciszek
Feb 14, 2012, 12:10:10 AM2/14/12
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In article <f98d7abd-078e-4439...@t30g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>But in the Hospital... well... I was going to claim that she shows no
>signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten, but
>that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what was it?
>mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain mentioning their
>name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/ be Zola making a
>mistake.
In need of time to recover, and faced with a fully functional mecha-
>
>But in the Hospital... well... I was going to claim that she shows no
>signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten, but
>that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what was it?
>mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain mentioning their
>name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/ be Zola making a
>mistake.
Lucrezia, it was in Zola's best interests to pretend to be another
avatar of Lucrezia.
Wayne Throop
Feb 14, 2012, 12:31:33 AM2/14/12
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:: But in the Hospital... well... I was going to claim that she shows
:: no signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten,
:: but that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what
:: was it? mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain
:: mentioning their name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/
:: be Zola making a mistake.
: nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek)
:: no signs of not being Lucrezia, after being physically badly beaten,
:: but that's not altogether true: Zola shocks Anevka by... now what
:: was it? mentioning Bill or Barry? Probably because a villain
:: mentioning their name is a cue for them to appear. So, that /might/
:: be Zola making a mistake.
: In need of time to recover, and faced with a fully functional mecha-
: Lucrezia, it was in Zola's best interests to pretend to be another
: avatar of Lucrezia.
She had already announced her intention to spoof Lucrezia avatars,
: avatar of Lucrezia.
so the fact that she didn't give herself away isn't all that
surprising, since she's had time to plan it. Not like she was
improvising it upon being confronted with an avatar.
Robert A. Woodward
Feb 14, 2012, 1:40:40 AM2/14/12
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In article <13291...@sheol.org>,
Yes, we have:
scene 1 (immediately before the signal
activates):<http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061009>
The Other Download is in control.
scene 2 (immediately after the signal activates, with dingbot
background music):
<http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061018> Agatha is
back.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
scene 1 (immediately before the signal
activates):<http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061009>
The Other Download is in control.
scene 2 (immediately after the signal activates, with dingbot
background music):
<http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061018> Agatha is
back.
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw>
Robert Carnegie
Feb 14, 2012, 7:13:16 AM2/14/12
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Lunevka's control - makes sense as Lucrezia doing it, but not as Zola
doing it - unless Zola figures that her faction can more easily defeat
Klaus-and-Lucrezia-together than each separately. And it isn't easy
to see /that/ - except that they'll be in the same place. Such as for
instance when the Hospital got hit... hmm. Did Zola do that,
somehow? Inside sabotage?
Nevertheless, I think for now I'll stick with the idea that a side-
effect of Zola's injuries is that Lucrezia is out of the cage in
Zola's mind, or her brain - and that that was indeed Lucrezia talking.
Edward A. Falk
Feb 14, 2012, 8:22:29 PM2/14/12
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In article <13291...@sheol.org>, Wayne Throop <thr...@sheol.org> wrote:
>: fa...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
>: Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
>: Is Lucrezia in Zola or not?
>
>Yes. Yes she is.
>
>: How/when did she get there?
>
>Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
>
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
Ahhh, ok. That's how I remembered it (sort of). So Lucrezia
>: fa...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
>: Semi-OT, but I've gotten confused while re-reading old episodes.
>: Is Lucrezia in Zola or not?
>
>Yes. Yes she is.
>
>: How/when did she get there?
>
>Lucragatha, in the lab, with the transfer device.
>
> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100709
is in there, but not in charge, and Zola was lying when she told
Anevka/Lucrezia that she was Lucrezia too.
Man, you can't tell the players in this story even *with* a
scorecard.
Gene Wirchenko
Feb 17, 2012, 1:04:13 AM2/17/12
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:37:43 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclark...@cox.net> wrote:
[snip]
>Ever read any China Mieville? In at least one one of his stories (but I
>forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
How about Dresden Codak?
http://dresdencodak.com/2012/02/15/dark-science-16/
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
<jclark...@cox.net> wrote:
[snip]
>Ever read any China Mieville? In at least one one of his stories (but I
>forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
http://dresdencodak.com/2012/02/15/dark-science-16/
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
Carson Chittom
Feb 17, 2012, 9:09:46 AM2/17/12
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punishment-oriented cyborgifications.
David Palmer
Feb 25, 2012, 3:46:59 PM2/25/12
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On 2/13/12 7:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> Ever read any China Mieville? In at least one one of his stories (but I
> forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
Steam powered prosthetic arm:
> Ever read any China Mieville? In at least one one of his stories (but I
> forget which) he has steam powered prosthetics.
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820130638.htm>
Hydrogen peroxide is a convenient way to carry around steam in a room
temperature bottle. Just add catalyst and you're ready to go.
Suzanne Blom
Feb 26, 2012, 1:06:56 PM2/26/12
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On 2/25/2012 2:46 PM, David Palmer wrote:
> Steam powered prosthetic arm:
> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820130638.htm>
>
> Hydrogen peroxide is a convenient way to carry around steam in a room
> temperature bottle. Just add catalyst and you're ready to go.
>
Cool!
> Steam powered prosthetic arm:
> <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070820130638.htm>
>
> Hydrogen peroxide is a convenient way to carry around steam in a room
> temperature bottle. Just add catalyst and you're ready to go.
>
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