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Chris
Nov 7, 2012, 3:34:10 PM11/7/12
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Chris
PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
Chris
PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 7, 2012, 5:02:10 PM11/7/12
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In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
When people get panicky, they do stupid things. Or fail to do
smart things. Or let their pets run around outside. After the
1991 Berkeley Hills fire, there were a lot of cats lost because
they were outside and couldn't be found.
Only one reason why all ours are inside cats.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
smart things. Or let their pets run around outside. After the
1991 Berkeley Hills fire, there were a lot of cats lost because
they were outside and couldn't be found.
Only one reason why all ours are inside cats.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.
Kithrup's all spammy and hotmail's been hacked.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Nov 7, 2012, 4:24:25 PM11/7/12
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Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
If there is, it's probably a management position.
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
--
Terry Austin
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Chris
Nov 7, 2012, 6:00:07 PM11/7/12
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:24:25 PM UTC-5, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
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> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
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> > Chris
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> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets
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> > behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special
>
> > place in Hell for them.
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> >
>
> If there is, it's probably a management position.
I can always trust you to look on the bright side of things- like a ruby laser right in the eye :)
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
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> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
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> > Chris
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> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets
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> > behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special
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> > place in Hell for them.
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> If there is, it's probably a management position.
Chris
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Nov 7, 2012, 5:04:24 PM11/7/12
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Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:24:25 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>> news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
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>> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
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>> > Chris
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>> >
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>> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets
>>
>> > behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really
>> > special
>>
>> > place in Hell for them.
>>
>> >
>>
>> If there is, it's probably a management position.
>
> I can always trust you to look on the bright side of things-
> like a ruby laser right in the eye :)
>
You're welcome. and it *is* Hell, after all.
news:6c4b5ce2-d1b0-4b86...@googlegroups.com:
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:24:25 PM UTC-5, Gutless
> Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
>> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>
>> news:a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com:
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>> > http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
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>> > Chris
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>> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets
>>
>> > behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really
>> > special
>>
>> > place in Hell for them.
>>
>> >
>>
>> If there is, it's probably a management position.
>
> I can always trust you to look on the bright side of things-
> like a ruby laser right in the eye :)
>
Quadibloc
Nov 8, 2012, 1:50:25 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
about Katrina?
I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
in New York would have no place to even put a car.
John Savard
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 8, 2012, 2:16:25 AM11/8/12
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In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
and bag of cat food.
But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
and bag of cat food.
But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
Titus G
Nov 8, 2012, 3:04:46 AM11/8/12
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Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article
> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>> Hell for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
>
> But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
I read a short morality tale recently with a similar concern and resultant
> In article
> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>> Hell for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
>
> But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
reward.
<grin>
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Nov 8, 2012, 4:03:59 AM11/8/12
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On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
> In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34�pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>> for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
> In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34�pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>> for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
a cat with you in that situation?
--
Now available on Amazon or B&N: One-Eyed Jack.
Greg Kraft could see ghosts. That didn't mean he could stop them...
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nov 8, 2012, 6:32:13 AM11/8/12
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On 11/8/12 2:16 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>> for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
>
> But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>
Some of the people in question had to swim for their lives. Carrying
> In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>> for them.
>>
>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> about Katrina?
>>
>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> and bag of cat food.
>
> But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>
ANYTHING would be difficult. Carrying a live animal, essentially impossible.
If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and kids come
first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I
will not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Quadibloc
Nov 8, 2012, 6:58:50 AM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 12:29 am, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die,
I was thinking about people who had to take a government-provided bus,
> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> die,
on which pets were not allowed, or on which there was no room for
pets.
John Savard
Kevrob
Nov 8, 2012, 9:58:19 AM11/8/12
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A shame, leaving good protein behind, like that.
[/bh]
Kevin
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 8, 2012, 11:12:26 AM11/8/12
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In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>
>> In article
><8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> and bag of cat food.
>
>The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>
>Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>a cat with you in that situation?
Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
>On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>
>> In article
><8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> and bag of cat food.
>
>The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>
>Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>a cat with you in that situation?
Lawrence Watt-Evans
Nov 8, 2012, 11:45:35 AM11/8/12
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On 2012-11-08 11:12:26 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>>
>>> In article
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>>> for them.
>>>>
>>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>>> about Katrina?
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>>
>>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>>> and bag of cat food.
>>
>> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>>
>> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>> a cat with you in that situation?
>
> Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
Who has a harness and leash?
> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>>
>>> In article
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>>> for them.
>>>>
>>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>>> about Katrina?
>>>>
>>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>>
>>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>>> and bag of cat food.
>>
>> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>>
>> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>> a cat with you in that situation?
>
> Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 8, 2012, 11:57:50 AM11/8/12
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In article <k7gnjf$6vp$1...@dont-email.me>,
Well, I have three cats and rather more harnesses and leashes
than that. (We used to have more cats.)
Perhaps we're not distinguishing between cat-owners and
non-cat-owners, or car-owners and non-, but between people who
believe in disaster preparedness and those into whose heads the
idea never entered. Where I live, the prospective disasters are
neither nurricanes (though as global warming continues, who
knows) nor nor'easters, but earthquake and, perhaps, fire. We
have disaster supplies, including carriers, and harnesses and
leashes (so they can get out of the carriers to use the portable
cat box), for each cat.
than that. (We used to have more cats.)
Perhaps we're not distinguishing between cat-owners and
non-cat-owners, or car-owners and non-, but between people who
believe in disaster preparedness and those into whose heads the
idea never entered. Where I live, the prospective disasters are
neither nurricanes (though as global warming continues, who
knows) nor nor'easters, but earthquake and, perhaps, fire. We
have disaster supplies, including carriers, and harnesses and
leashes (so they can get out of the carriers to use the portable
cat box), for each cat.
Chris
Nov 8, 2012, 1:18:56 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 6:32 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> > In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c-9066-163dfc902...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
I totally agree. In fact, as I should have said earlier, if it came to
a choice between my dog and a human I'd never met, the human would
come first, even though it broke my heart.
Chris
> > In article <8f47b85e-347b-484c-9066-163dfc902...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
a choice between my dog and a human I'd never met, the human would
come first, even though it broke my heart.
Chris
Chris
Nov 8, 2012, 1:21:54 PM11/8/12
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On Nov 8, 6:58 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
The mayor is on record as encouraging people to evacuate their pets. I
don't know what I'd do if I had a fish tank, but my dogs would be ok.
Chris
D.F. Manno
Nov 8, 2012, 2:19:47 PM11/8/12
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> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
And if, as is often the case, the evacuation shelters don't allow
> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
animals, what then? People should stay home and die with their pets?
--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
GOP delenda est!
Kevrob
Nov 8, 2012, 2:31:26 PM11/8/12
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1.) People with service animals may need shelter. Yes, I know they
can go where mere "animal companions" can't, but being able to feed
and walk the service animal would be important to me if I had one.
2.) Being able to assure people that their pets can come with them
might convince some intransigent evacuees to actually get on the bus,
in the boat, off the roof of their house and get to safety.
I know somebody who volunteered at the Fairfield, CT shelter, set up
in a local high school. They had a separate kennel area, which he
thought was a great idea. Because of a childhood mauling, he is
horribly afraid of dogs. Whenever pets are allowed in, those like
him, or those who are allergic, are inconvenienced. They avoided that
ii FF.
Kevin
erilar
Nov 8, 2012, 3:49:42 PM11/8/12
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> http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
My dog would offer to play with yours 8-)
leave their pets behind. I find it perfectly understandable. They
don't make you leave human children behind.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
My dog would offer to play with yours 8-)
>
> Chris
>
> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
I've heard about people who refused rescue because they'd have had to
> Chris
>
> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
leave their pets behind. I find it perfectly understandable. They
don't make you leave human children behind.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
erilar
Nov 8, 2012, 3:50:06 PM11/8/12
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In article <dfmanno-6C032B...@news.albasani.net>,
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
"D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
> > they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
>
> And if, as is often the case, the evacuation shelters don't allow
> animals, what then? People should stay home and die with their pets?
Some take their chances.
> In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
> > they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
>
> And if, as is often the case, the evacuation shelters don't allow
> animals, what then? People should stay home and die with their pets?
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
erilar
Nov 8, 2012, 3:52:35 PM11/8/12
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In article <MD6Fo...@kithrup.com>,
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> >On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
> >
> >> In article
> ><8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
> >>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
> >>> for them.
> >>>
> >>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
> >>> about Katrina?
> >>>
> >>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
> >>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
> >>
> >> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> >> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> >> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> >> and bag of cat food.
> >
> >The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
> >
> >Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
> >lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
> >a cat with you in that situation?
>
> Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
Yes they can, and dogs can usually swim even better.
> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
> >On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
> >
> >> In article
> ><8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
> >>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
> >>> for them.
> >>>
> >>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
> >>> about Katrina?
> >>>
> >>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
> >>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
> >>
> >> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
> >> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
> >> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
> >> and bag of cat food.
> >
> >The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
> >
> >Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
> >lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
> >a cat with you in that situation?
>
> Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist
Kurt Busiek
Nov 8, 2012, 6:39:52 PM11/8/12
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Brenda Clough
Nov 8, 2012, 7:08:35 PM11/8/12
to
Here is a story I heard at the Coast Guard Academy, when my son was
applying there. (He went Army ROTC.) The great thing about the
academies is that once you graduate you can have great power and
responsibility.
A girl graduated and then took up her duty station flying a rescue
helicopter. This was the June before Hurricaine Katrina. During the
storm, she wound up plucking New Orleans residents off of rooftops and
ferrying them to safety A woman was on a roof with a cat, in her arms.
She refused to get on the copter unless she could bring the cat. Even
though it was against the rules, the pilot had to make a snap
situational decision. She said OK, bring the cat.
So they are all flying over the flood in a fully loaded copter, and
suddenly the cat freaks out, leaps out of its owner's arms, and begins
ricocheting around the copter cabin. The girl pilot, all of 20 years
old, flew along wailing internally, "Oh shit we're all going to DIE,
because I broke the rule!" But the other passengers seized the feline
and were able to restrain it, and she was able to get everyone safely to
earth.
The moral of the story? Have a pet carrier for each and every pet you own.
Brenda
--
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View Cafe.
http://www.bookviewcafe.com/index.php/Brenda-Clough/Novels/Speak-to-Our-Desires-Chapter-01
applying there. (He went Army ROTC.) The great thing about the
academies is that once you graduate you can have great power and
responsibility.
A girl graduated and then took up her duty station flying a rescue
helicopter. This was the June before Hurricaine Katrina. During the
storm, she wound up plucking New Orleans residents off of rooftops and
ferrying them to safety A woman was on a roof with a cat, in her arms.
She refused to get on the copter unless she could bring the cat. Even
though it was against the rules, the pilot had to make a snap
situational decision. She said OK, bring the cat.
So they are all flying over the flood in a fully loaded copter, and
suddenly the cat freaks out, leaps out of its owner's arms, and begins
ricocheting around the copter cabin. The girl pilot, all of 20 years
old, flew along wailing internally, "Oh shit we're all going to DIE,
because I broke the rule!" But the other passengers seized the feline
and were able to restrain it, and she was able to get everyone safely to
earth.
The moral of the story? Have a pet carrier for each and every pet you own.
Brenda
--
My latest novel SPEAK TO OUR DESIRES is available exclusively from Book
View Cafe.
http://www.bookviewcafe.com/index.php/Brenda-Clough/Novels/Speak-to-Our-Desires-Chapter-01
Robert Carnegie
Nov 9, 2012, 9:05:42 AM11/9/12
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On Thursday, 8 November 2012 11:32:13 UTC, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and kids come
> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I
> will not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
Every now and again, you hear of someone who apparently died
> If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and kids come
> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I
> will not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
trying to rescue a pet, such as a dog that jumped into the sea
or a river. Sometimes it's a kid. Sometimes other people die
trying to recue the first person.
In a case of planning for evacuation, I guess that pet owners
should decide what to do well ahead of time - such as, leave the
animal with a food and water supply, or, relocate it in advance
to another carer, if you aren't getting out yourself then, or,
whatever.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:08:25 AM11/9/12
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In article <drache-153654....@news.eternal-september.org>,
I haven't had a dog (make that, I haven't lived with a dog, he
was my mother's dog) since about 1960. But I remember the late
Sebastian, walking around a campground on a long leash, suddenly
taking a jump into a pond and swimming around till we pulled him
back out. Deliberately. It was a horrid scummy pond fed by
rainwater and having no outflow, too. We dragged him out and
took him back to camp and gave him a bath. But he was swimming
just fine.
Oh, for those who came in late, Sebastian was a cat.
was my mother's dog) since about 1960. But I remember the late
Sebastian, walking around a campground on a long leash, suddenly
taking a jump into a pond and swimming around till we pulled him
back out. Deliberately. It was a horrid scummy pond fed by
rainwater and having no outflow, too. We dragged him out and
took him back to camp and gave him a bath. But he was swimming
just fine.
Oh, for those who came in late, Sebastian was a cat.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:09:39 AM11/9/12
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In article <df559e6a-6c48-438d...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,
Yes, probably. But, as I said, I could put the cats into leashes
and harnesses and have them swim with me. This is assuming
escaping involved swimming, which as I also said isn't likely
where I live.
and harnesses and have them swim with me. This is assuming
escaping involved swimming, which as I also said isn't likely
where I live.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:11:41 AM11/9/12
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In article <34d850b9-1222-48a8...@googlegroups.com>,
In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
explained.
where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
explained.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:18:15 AM11/9/12
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>In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
>> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
>
>And if, as is often the case, the evacuation shelters don't allow
>animals, what then? People should stay home and die with their pets?
I don't know about "should," but some would.
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind when
>> they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell for them.
>
>And if, as is often the case, the evacuation shelters don't allow
>animals, what then? People should stay home and die with their pets?
Back when Hal was working and I was staying home, I had a list of
things to pack if I had to escape on foot (I don't drive).
That's why we have that garden cart: so I could pack supplies, a
dome tent, AND the cats in their carriers (we then had four; the
hard-sided carriers would stack) into it and haul it to someplace
safe, probably the broad lawns of the USDA branch about a mile
away. We were assuming any disaster around here would be an
earthquake, and the house would be uninhabitable, and that the
shelters wouldn't take the cats.
Supplies included a small litter box, a bag of litter, a bag of
cat food. The cats would stay on their leashes, in or fastened
to the dome tent.
Of course, we didn't get an earthquake in all that time, but we
could've.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 10:21:09 AM11/9/12
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In article <k7hhia$fdi$1...@dont-email.me>,
At the present time we have rather more carriers than cats, the
result of some of the cats having gone the way of all flesh. We
currently have three, all old and cranky. We don't contemplate
getting any new kittens until the old cranky cats have either
died or gotten so old they've mellowed out; also until the
four-year-old is a little older.
Brenda Clough <Brenda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Here is a story I heard at the Coast Guard Academy, when my son was
>applying there. (He went Army ROTC.) The great thing about the
>academies is that once you graduate you can have great power and
>responsibility.
>A girl graduated and then took up her duty station flying a rescue
>helicopter. This was the June before Hurricaine Katrina. During the
>storm, she wound up plucking New Orleans residents off of rooftops and
>ferrying them to safety A woman was on a roof with a cat, in her arms.
> She refused to get on the copter unless she could bring the cat. Even
>though it was against the rules, the pilot had to make a snap
>situational decision. She said OK, bring the cat.
>So they are all flying over the flood in a fully loaded copter, and
>suddenly the cat freaks out, leaps out of its owner's arms, and begins
>ricocheting around the copter cabin. The girl pilot, all of 20 years
>old, flew along wailing internally, "Oh shit we're all going to DIE,
>because I broke the rule!" But the other passengers seized the feline
>and were able to restrain it, and she was able to get everyone safely to
>earth.
>
>The moral of the story? Have a pet carrier for each and every pet you own.
Damn right.
>Here is a story I heard at the Coast Guard Academy, when my son was
>applying there. (He went Army ROTC.) The great thing about the
>academies is that once you graduate you can have great power and
>responsibility.
>A girl graduated and then took up her duty station flying a rescue
>helicopter. This was the June before Hurricaine Katrina. During the
>storm, she wound up plucking New Orleans residents off of rooftops and
>ferrying them to safety A woman was on a roof with a cat, in her arms.
> She refused to get on the copter unless she could bring the cat. Even
>though it was against the rules, the pilot had to make a snap
>situational decision. She said OK, bring the cat.
>So they are all flying over the flood in a fully loaded copter, and
>suddenly the cat freaks out, leaps out of its owner's arms, and begins
>ricocheting around the copter cabin. The girl pilot, all of 20 years
>old, flew along wailing internally, "Oh shit we're all going to DIE,
>because I broke the rule!" But the other passengers seized the feline
>and were able to restrain it, and she was able to get everyone safely to
>earth.
>
>The moral of the story? Have a pet carrier for each and every pet you own.
At the present time we have rather more carriers than cats, the
result of some of the cats having gone the way of all flesh. We
currently have three, all old and cranky. We don't contemplate
getting any new kittens until the old cranky cats have either
died or gotten so old they've mellowed out; also until the
four-year-old is a little older.
Robert Carnegie
Nov 9, 2012, 11:28:21 AM11/9/12
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On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
> explained.
It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
> explained.
I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess? Or a witch-queen
who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something. Rather her than me.
Michael Stemper
Nov 9, 2012, 1:34:47 PM11/9/12
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In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>> explained.
>
>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>> explained.
>
>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
selected against in that particular environment.
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
--
Michael F. Stemper
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ppint. at pplay
Nov 9, 2012, 6:35:59 PM11/9/12
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- hi; in article,
<f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
[]
any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth. there is a
poem in the collection, _The Adventures of Tom Bombadil_ -
but that slim volume includes verses outwith that world, as
well as some clearly set within it (and some are debatable).
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess?
- no.
>Or a witch-queen who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something.
- no witch-queen, no; there is a solitary reference made by
aragorn to the rest of the fellowship, regarding gandalf's
ability to find a path through the mines of moria, at a point
where gandalf & gimli are taking longer than usual to decide:
"He is surer of finding the way home in the night than the
cats of Queen Beruthiel."
>Rather her than me.
- there've been times when i should've been very appreciative
of so good a guide - though none so fraught as the halls and
corridors of khazad-dum in those days, i'm very glad to be able
to say.
- love, a ppint. as is including 11/12ths of the making in that
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
<f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
[]
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
- no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth. there is a
poem in the collection, _The Adventures of Tom Bombadil_ -
but that slim volume includes verses outwith that world, as
well as some clearly set within it (and some are debatable).
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess?
>Or a witch-queen who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something.
aragorn to the rest of the fellowship, regarding gandalf's
ability to find a path through the mines of moria, at a point
where gandalf & gimli are taking longer than usual to decide:
"He is surer of finding the way home in the night than the
cats of Queen Beruthiel."
>Rather her than me.
- there've been times when i should've been very appreciative
of so good a guide - though none so fraught as the halls and
corridors of khazad-dum in those days, i'm very glad to be able
to say.
- love, a ppint. as is including 11/12ths of the making in that
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 8:07:57 PM11/9/12
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In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess? Or a witch-queen
>who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something. Rather her than me.
That was Beruthiel, Queen of Gondor I forget when. Tolkien
apparently didn't like cats much. Everyone has his flaws.
I haven't done that quest yet. When I get to it with my
Lore-master -- which is a pet-using class -- I think I will not
take my fighting Onyx Lynx with me, but my nonfighting tabby cat,
and pretend that's the NPC's cat that I'm rescuing. Yes, there
are Orcs to fight, but I'll just see what I can do to them
single-handed. Or rather, with both hands, using sword and
staff. :)
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>> explained.
>
>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
Horses and cats generally get along well.
>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>> explained.
>
>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess? Or a witch-queen
>who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something. Rather her than me.
apparently didn't like cats much. Everyone has his flaws.
I haven't done that quest yet. When I get to it with my
Lore-master -- which is a pet-using class -- I think I will not
take my fighting Onyx Lynx with me, but my nonfighting tabby cat,
and pretend that's the NPC's cat that I'm rescuing. Yes, there
are Orcs to fight, but I'll just see what I can do to them
single-handed. Or rather, with both hands, using sword and
staff. :)
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 9, 2012, 8:08:28 PM11/9/12
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In article <k7jic7$aio$3...@dont-email.me>,
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>>> explained.
>>
>>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
>Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
>selected against in that particular environment.
Point. This is the Eastemnet of Rohan, after all.
>In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>>On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
>>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>>> explained.
>>
>>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
>Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
>selected against in that particular environment.
Howard Brazee
Nov 9, 2012, 8:49:05 PM11/9/12
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 18:34:47 +0000 (UTC), mste...@walkabout.empros.com
(Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>>> explained.
>>
>>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
>Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
>selected against in that particular environment.
Not "very strongly". People who are allergic to horses have
(Michael Stemper) wrote:
>>> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
>>> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
>>> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
>>> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
>>> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
>>> explained.
>>
>>It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
>Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
>selected against in that particular environment.
coexisted with them with success in real life.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Robert Carnegie
Nov 9, 2012, 10:10:34 PM11/9/12
to michael...@gmail.com
On Friday, 9 November 2012 18:34:48 UTC, Michael Stemper wrote:
> In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
> >On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
> >> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
> >> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
> >> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
> >> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
> >> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
> >> explained.
> >
> >It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
> Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
> selected against in that particular environment.
Which is why it too is an indoor cat?
> In article <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> writes:
>
> >On Friday, 9 November 2012 15:14:35 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>
> >> In the MMORPG _The Lord of the Rings Online_, there's a sequence
> >> where you help a village in Rohan evacuate ahead of an Orc
> >> invasion. One of the things you have to do is to help someone
> >> leave some food -- a bucket of fish -- for his cat. WHY IN HELL
> >> he couldn't take the cat with him is something the devs have not
> >> explained.
> >
> >It's allergic to horses? Or vice versa.
>
> Somehow, I think that "allergic to horses" would be very strongly
> selected against in that particular environment.
Rather than a rescue cat...
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2012, 10:29:51 PM11/9/12
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"Lawrence Watt-Evans" <l...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>
>> In article
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> and bag of cat food.
>
> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>
> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their lives,
> escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take a cat with
> you in that situation?
If I did have a pet, I would ensure that I could handle
>
> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>
> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their lives,
> escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take a cat with
> you in that situation?
any possible disaster, just like I would with the kids too.
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2012, 10:32:23 PM11/9/12
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:k7g57t$jb8$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 11/8/12 2:16 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> and bag of cat food.
>>
>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>> about Katrina?
>>>
>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> and bag of cat food.
>>
>> But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
>> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>>
>
> Some of the people in question had to swim for their lives. Carrying
> ANYTHING would be difficult. Carrying a live animal, essentially
> impossible.
>
>> could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>>
>
> Some of the people in question had to swim for their lives. Carrying
> ANYTHING would be difficult. Carrying a live animal, essentially
> impossible.
>
> If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and kids come
> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I will
> not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
But when I choose to have a pet, I make sure that I organise
> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I will
> not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
things so that the pet can survive as well as the wife and kids,
by being careful about where I live, and the way that is organised.
Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2012, 10:33:37 PM11/9/12
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"Quadibloc" <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message
news:23086695-de96-4f71...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> die,
>
>> die,
>
> I was thinking about people who had to take a government-provided bus,
> on which pets were not allowed, or on which there was no room for pets.
If I had pets, I'd ensure that I would never end up with a govt provided
> on which pets were not allowed, or on which there was no room for pets.
bus as the only way to survive a disaster by choosing carefully how I live.
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2012, 10:38:48 PM11/9/12
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news:k7gnjf$6vp$1...@dont-email.me...
Most with a clue do that with the kids, whats
so hard about doing it with the pets too ?
> On 2012-11-08 11:12:26 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>
>> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <k7fshv$675$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Lawrence Watt-Evans <l...@sff.net> wrote:
>>> On 2012-11-08 02:16:25 -0500, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article
>>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>>>>> Hell
>>>>> for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>>>> about Katrina?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>>>
>>> <8f47b85e-347b-484c...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>>>>> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>>>>> Hell
>>>>> for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>>>>> about Katrina?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>>>>> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>>>
>>>> Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>>>> die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>>>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>>>> and bag of cat food.
>>>
>>>> them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>>>> and bag of cat food.
>>>
>>> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>>>
>>> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>>> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>>> a cat with you in that situation?
>>
>>>
>>> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
>>> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
>>> a cat with you in that situation?
>>
>> Put him on a harness and leash and lead the way. Cats can swim.
>
>
> Who has a harness and leash?
Anyone with enough of a clue to prepare for possible disasters.
Most with a clue do that with the kids, whats
so hard about doing it with the pets too ?
Rod Speed
Nov 9, 2012, 10:41:40 PM11/9/12
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"Chris" <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:df559e6a-6c48-438d...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 8, 6:32 am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"
> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 11/8/12 2:16 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article
>> > <8f47b85e-347b-484c-9066-163dfc902...@j12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
>> On 11/8/12 2:16 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article
>> > Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> >> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>> >> Hell
>> >> for them.
>>
>> >> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> >> about Katrina?
>>
>> >> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> >> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> > Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> > die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> > them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> > and bag of cat food.
>>
>> >> On Nov 7, 1:34 pm, Chris <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>> >> when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in
>> >> Hell
>> >> for them.
>>
>> >> They may not have had a choice. Remember some of the news stories
>> >> about Katrina?
>>
>> >> I mean, if they owned cars, that would be different. But many people
>> >> in New York would have no place to even put a car.
>>
>> > Well, if I had to evacuate from a disaster on foot, I would probably
>> > die, but I would pack up the cats into their carriers and load
>> > them into the garden cart. Along with the portable litter box
>> > and bag of cat food.
>>
>> > But as I said, I'd probably die within a couple of blocks, and
>> > could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>>
>> Some of the people in question had to swim for their lives.
>> Carrying
>> ANYTHING would be difficult. Carrying a live animal, essentially
>> impossible.
>>
>> If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and
>> kids come
>> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I
>> will not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
>>
>> > could only hope that someone else would take the cats.
>>
>> Some of the people in question had to swim for their lives.
>> Carrying
>> ANYTHING would be difficult. Carrying a live animal, essentially
>> impossible.
>>
>> If a disaster of that magnitude strikes my house, my wife and
>> kids come
>> first. Much as I love our dog, she's a long, long distant third and I
>> will not permit wife or kids to risk their lives to save the dog.
>>
>> --
>> Sea Wasp
>> /^\
>> ;;;
>> Website:http://www.grandcentralarena.com
>> Blog:http://seawasp.livejournal.com
>
> I totally agree. In fact, as I should have said earlier, if it came to
> a choice between my dog and a human I'd never met, the human would
> come first, even though it broke my heart.
More fool you when that 'human' is just some bum or drug addict or gang
>> Sea Wasp
>> /^\
>> ;;;
>> Website:http://www.grandcentralarena.com
>> Blog:http://seawasp.livejournal.com
>
> I totally agree. In fact, as I should have said earlier, if it came to
> a choice between my dog and a human I'd never met, the human would
> come first, even though it broke my heart.
banger etc.
And whatever you claim, I doubt its actually true.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 10, 2012, 9:41:47 AM11/10/12
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In article <8f3fd492-6288-4c3d...@googlegroups.com>,
I really don't think the cats in Rohan are kept indoors. I think
they're on the order of barn cats, kept around to keep rodents
out of the grain.
they're on the order of barn cats, kept around to keep rodents
out of the grain.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 12, 2012, 1:44:39 AM11/12/12
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>http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
>
>Chris
living in SPCA sites and animal-friendly shelters. Many of the
owners can't reclaim them yet, because they have nowhere to go.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/49782332/#49782332
>
>Chris
>
>PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>for them.
However, a large number of animals have been evacuated and are
>PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
>when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
>for them.
living in SPCA sites and animal-friendly shelters. Many of the
owners can't reclaim them yet, because they have nowhere to go.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/49782332/#49782332
Michael Stemper
Nov 12, 2012, 9:52:47 AM11/12/12
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In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>
> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>
> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
Gollum featured one.
Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
cats were known in the Shire.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
david.sh...@ymail.com
Nov 12, 2012, 10:49:14 AM11/12/12
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On Nov 12, 9:52 am, mstem...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
wrote:
> In article <20121109.2335.12110052...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>
> > in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, rja.carne...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
by Aragorn, I think in Moria.
wrote:
> In article <20121109.2335.12110052...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>, v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>
> > in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>, rja.carne...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
> >>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>
> > - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
> > any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
> All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
> included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
>
> Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
> Gollum featured one.
>
> Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
> cats were known in the Shire.
>
Another mention was to "cats of Queen Berúthiel",
>
> > - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
> > any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
> All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
> included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
>
> Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
> Gollum featured one.
>
> Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
> cats were known in the Shire.
>
by Aragorn, I think in Moria.
david.sh...@ymail.com
Nov 12, 2012, 10:51:08 AM11/12/12
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Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 12, 2012, 10:49:59 AM11/12/12
to
In article <k7r2fv$3st$1...@dont-email.me>,
"original text" of "Hey diddle diddle..."
of grain, they *need* cats.
Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>
>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>
>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
You're forgetting the cats of Queen Beruthiel.
>In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>
>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>
>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
>All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
The Cat with the Fiddle, in fact. The song poses as the
>All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
"original text" of "Hey diddle diddle..."
>
>Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
>Gollum featured one.
>
>Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
>cats were known in the Shire.
Well, of course. It's an agricultural district, they grow a lot
>Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
>Gollum featured one.
>
>Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
>cats were known in the Shire.
of grain, they *need* cats.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nov 12, 2012, 11:45:27 AM11/12/12
to
On 11/12/12 10:49 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <k7r2fv$3st$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>> v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>> rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>
>>>> I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>>
>>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
> You're forgetting the cats of Queen Beruthiel.
>>
>> All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>> included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
>
> The Cat with the Fiddle, in fact. The song poses as the
> "original text" of "Hey diddle diddle..."
>>
>> Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
>> Gollum featured one.
>>
>> Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
>> cats were known in the Shire.
>
> Well, of course. It's an agricultural district, they grow a lot
> of grain, they *need* cats.
>
Unless the "ordinary sort of magic" that they can use provides vermin
> In article <k7r2fv$3st$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>> v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>> rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>
>>>> I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>>
>>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
> You're forgetting the cats of Queen Beruthiel.
>>
>> All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>> included mention of a cat in a couple of verses.
>
> The Cat with the Fiddle, in fact. The song poses as the
> "original text" of "Hey diddle diddle..."
>>
>> Oh, and one of the riddles (four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked
>> Gollum featured one.
>>
>> Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
>> cats were known in the Shire.
>
> Well, of course. It's an agricultural district, they grow a lot
> of grain, they *need* cats.
>
wards, of course. But I'd suspect not.
John F. Eldredge
Nov 12, 2012, 12:01:51 PM11/12/12
to
smoke was already heavy enough that I had to get out of the house myself,
leaving it behind. Had I stayed behind to search for it, I probably
would not have survived either.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
ppint. at pplay
Nov 12, 2012, 4:20:58 PM11/12/12
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- hi; in article, <MDDtB...@kithrup.com>,
djh...@kithrup.com "Dorothy J Heydt" erroneously chid:
From: v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: OT: My 15 seconds of fame!
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:35:59 -0000 gmt
Message-ID: <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>
References: <MD87J...@kithrup.com>
<f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:37:49 +0000 (UTC)
- quote text -
- hi; in article,
cats of Queen Beruthiel."
>Rather her than me.
- there've been times when i should've been very appreciative
of so good a guide - though none so fraught as the halls and
corridors of khazad-dum in those days, i'm very glad to be able
to say.
- end quote -
- nope. not forgetting the cats of queen beruthiel. nor the
poetry of john ronald reuel tolkien. rather, answering (and
correcting) the specific point(s) made, alleged or nasturtiums
thrown.
[]
or at least *_knows of them_*.
- "very interesting..."
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"Threads like these make me realize that many people
take a cargo-cult approach to logical argument."
Mike Ash on rec.arts.sf.written 26/6/10 (6/26/10 for merkins)
djh...@kithrup.com "Dorothy J Heydt" erroneously chid:
> Michael Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>>v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>>rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>>
>>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
>You're forgetting the cats of Queen Beruthiel.
- quote selected header lines -
>>In article <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>,
>>v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") writes:
>>> in article, <f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
>>rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>>
>>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
>You're forgetting the cats of Queen Beruthiel.
From: v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: OT: My 15 seconds of fame!
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:35:59 -0000 gmt
Message-ID: <20121109.233...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk>
References: <MD87J...@kithrup.com>
<f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 23:37:49 +0000 (UTC)
- quote text -
- hi; in article,
<f12e2da6-0852-4899...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
[]
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
- no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
[]
>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
- no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth. there is a
poem in the collection, _The Adventures of Tom Bombadil_ -
but that slim volume includes verses outwith that world, as
well as some clearly set within it (and some are debatable).
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess?
- no.
>Or a witch-queen who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something.
- no witch-queen, no; there is a solitary reference made by
aragorn to the rest of the fellowship, regarding gandalf's
ability to find a path through the mines of moria, at a point
where gandalf & gimli are taking longer than usual to decide:
"He is surer of finding the way home in the night than the
poem in the collection, _The Adventures of Tom Bombadil_ -
but that slim volume includes verses outwith that world, as
well as some clearly set within it (and some are debatable).
>Wasn't there talk here once about an awful cat goddess?
- no.
>Or a witch-queen who saw through the eyes of her cats, or something.
- no witch-queen, no; there is a solitary reference made by
aragorn to the rest of the fellowship, regarding gandalf's
ability to find a path through the mines of moria, at a point
where gandalf & gimli are taking longer than usual to decide:
cats of Queen Beruthiel."
>Rather her than me.
- there've been times when i should've been very appreciative
of so good a guide - though none so fraught as the halls and
corridors of khazad-dum in those days, i'm very glad to be able
to say.
- nope. not forgetting the cats of queen beruthiel. nor the
poetry of john ronald reuel tolkien. rather, answering (and
correcting) the specific point(s) made, alleged or nasturtiums
thrown.
[]
>>Both of these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that
>>cats were known in the Shire.
>
>Well, of course. It's an agricultural district, they grow a lot of grain,
>they *need* cats.
- so _anywhere_ that *needs* cats necessarily *_has_* cats,
>>cats were known in the Shire.
>
>Well, of course. It's an agricultural district, they grow a lot of grain,
>they *need* cats.
or at least *_knows of them_*.
- "very interesting..."
- love, ppint.
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ppint. at pplay
Nov 12, 2012, 6:10:52 PM11/12/12
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- hi; in article, <k7r2fv$3st$1...@dont-email.me>,
mste...@walkabout.empros.com "Michael Stemper" observed:
living in bree, which implies the existence of a breeding colony
there, and probably also in staddle, combe and archet, but this
does not provide any actual evidence of anyone in middle-earth's
being sentimental about cats. (- [a])
- which was the point in question, and that which i addressed.
- unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house, the elven-
king's halls, lake-town, lorien, fangorn, isengard, helm's deep,
meduseld, minas tirith, osgiliath, the dead marshes, minas morgul,
ithilien, the tower of cirith ungol, or the sammath naur.
at least some of which places are depicted as being sufficient-
ly warm for the comfort of cats, and liable to provide more than
enough prey species small animals in quantity to support a part
or wholly feral feline population, and some of which are shown
as being, or having been, inhabited by populations of seducible
sapients sympathetic to small, strokable, cute furry pest-killers.
- love, a ppint. as suspects jrrt may've preferred dogs to cats
[a] - though i don't doubt that a fair few bree-landers, at least,
are; nor that shire hobbits, though possibly not bucklanders,
do not also have some comfortably smug contented house-cats.
smeagol/gollum's recall implies that cats'd reached hobbits
fishing along the gladden river, though, as well as gondor
and umbar, from which north-west middle-earth presumably re-
ceived them - possibly one of harad's most welcome exports?
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important project to collect and organize the knowledge of the ages,
and it offends them if it doesn't (yet) include a detailed history of the
Napoleonic Wars but does include a complete episode guide to Danger Mouse."
- Mike Schilling on rasfwr,ff 17:37 GMT 14/6/07 (6/14/07 for merkins)
mste...@walkabout.empros.com "Michael Stemper" observed:
> "ppint. at pplay") writes:
>> rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>
>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
>All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>included mention of a cat in a couple of verses. Oh, and one of the riddles
>(four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked Gollum featured one. Both of
>these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that cats were
>known in the Shire.
>
- indeed; and there was at least one - unnamed - referred to as
>> rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" s'a trompe:
>>>I'm trying to remember who's sentimental about cats in Middle-Earth.
>>
>> - no-one. i cannot recall even a walk-on part for a cat in
>> any of tolkien's fiction set in middle-earth.
>
>All that I can think of is that the song Frodo sang at the Prancing Pony
>included mention of a cat in a couple of verses. Oh, and one of the riddles
>(four-legs, three-legs, etc) that Bilbo asked Gollum featured one. Both of
>these were "mention" rather than "use". But, they do imply that cats were
>known in the Shire.
>
living in bree, which implies the existence of a breeding colony
there, and probably also in staddle, combe and archet, but this
does not provide any actual evidence of anyone in middle-earth's
being sentimental about cats. (- [a])
- which was the point in question, and that which i addressed.
- unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house, the elven-
king's halls, lake-town, lorien, fangorn, isengard, helm's deep,
meduseld, minas tirith, osgiliath, the dead marshes, minas morgul,
ithilien, the tower of cirith ungol, or the sammath naur.
at least some of which places are depicted as being sufficient-
ly warm for the comfort of cats, and liable to provide more than
enough prey species small animals in quantity to support a part
or wholly feral feline population, and some of which are shown
as being, or having been, inhabited by populations of seducible
sapients sympathetic to small, strokable, cute furry pest-killers.
- love, a ppint. as suspects jrrt may've preferred dogs to cats
[a] - though i don't doubt that a fair few bree-landers, at least,
are; nor that shire hobbits, though possibly not bucklanders,
do not also have some comfortably smug contented house-cats.
smeagol/gollum's recall implies that cats'd reached hobbits
fishing along the gladden river, though, as well as gondor
and umbar, from which north-west middle-earth presumably re-
ceived them - possibly one of harad's most welcome exports?
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important project to collect and organize the knowledge of the ages,
and it offends them if it doesn't (yet) include a detailed history of the
Napoleonic Wars but does include a complete episode guide to Danger Mouse."
- Mike Schilling on rasfwr,ff 17:37 GMT 14/6/07 (6/14/07 for merkins)
David DeLaney
Nov 12, 2012, 10:39:54 PM11/12/12
to
ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
...now picturing a tiny white kitten kneading its claws in the fur near Beorn's
> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
shoulder while Beorn is lying down with an incredibly patient expression on
his muzzle.
Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 13, 2012, 10:28:39 AM11/13/12
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In article <slrnka3ea...@gatekeeper.vic.com>,
I can see that too. :)
David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
>> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
>> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
>> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
>> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
>
>...now picturing a tiny white kitten kneading its claws in the fur near Beorn's
>shoulder while Beorn is lying down with an incredibly patient expression on
>his muzzle.
Tolkien doesn't mention any cats among Beorn's symbiotes, no, but
>ppint. at pplay <v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
>> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
>> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
>> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
>> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
>
>...now picturing a tiny white kitten kneading its claws in the fur near Beorn's
>shoulder while Beorn is lying down with an incredibly patient expression on
>his muzzle.
I can see that too. :)
Robert Carnegie
Nov 13, 2012, 10:43:59 AM11/13/12
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On Monday, 12 November 2012 23:13:10 UTC, "ppint. at pplay" wrote:
> but this does not provide any actual evidence of anyone in
> middle-earth's being sentimental about cats.
> but this does not provide any actual evidence of anyone in
> middle-earth's being sentimental about cats.
> - which was the point in question, and that which i addressed.
On consideration, doesn't the cat in Frodo's song get drunk and
play a violin? If they put up with that (imagine it!), they must
be pretty tolerant!
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 13, 2012, 8:44:58 PM11/13/12
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In article <0aa5a8b0-90db-4005...@googlegroups.com>,
It is, as I said upthread, a "reconstructed original" of "Hey
diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
Walter Bushell
Nov 13, 2012, 11:03:42 PM11/13/12
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In article <MD517...@kithrup.com>,
> smart things. Or let their pets run around outside. After the
> 1991 Berkeley Hills fire, there were a lot of cats lost because
> they were outside and couldn't be found.
>
> Only one reason why all ours are inside cats.
Not to mention coyotes are living in the cities even these days. A cat
makes a nice meal for one.
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
> In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
> >
> >Chris
> >
> In article <a35dd837-8fd5-415c...@googlegroups.com>,
> Chris <chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=8876834
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >PS: There are stories around about people who left their pets behind
> >when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
> >for them.
>
> When people get panicky, they do stupid things. Or fail to do
> >when they evacuated. There had better be a really special place in Hell
> >for them.
>
> smart things. Or let their pets run around outside. After the
> 1991 Berkeley Hills fire, there were a lot of cats lost because
> they were outside and couldn't be found.
>
> Only one reason why all ours are inside cats.
Not to mention coyotes are living in the cities even these days. A cat
makes a nice meal for one.
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
Walter Bushell
Nov 13, 2012, 11:05:37 PM11/13/12
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> The average New Yorker probably doesn't have a garden cart.
>
> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
> a cat with you in that situation?
You leave when the government tells you to leave. Shelters now do
>
> Some people in New Jersey and Staten Island had to swim for their
> lives, escaping houses flooded up to the second floor; how do you take
> a cat with you in that situation?
allow pets in NYC, basically because people would not leave without
their pets.
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 13, 2012, 11:10:50 PM11/13/12
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In article <proto-7D4CFA....@news.panix.com>,
I don't THINK there are any coyotes in Vallejo. Racoons, now....
David Goldfarb
Nov 14, 2012, 6:20:33 AM11/14/12
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In article <MDGMA...@kithrup.com>,
I'd be surprised if there weren't.
--
David Goldfarb |"Given enough time and the right audience,
goldf...@gmail.com | the darkest of secrets scum over into
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | mere curiosities."
| -- Neil Gaiman, _Sandman_ #53
I'd be surprised if there weren't.
--
David Goldfarb |"Given enough time and the right audience,
goldf...@gmail.com | the darkest of secrets scum over into
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | mere curiosities."
| -- Neil Gaiman, _Sandman_ #53
Robert Carnegie
Nov 14, 2012, 10:02:26 AM11/14/12
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On Wednesday, 14 November 2012 01:59:27 UTC, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <0aa5a8b0-90db-4005...@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >On consideration, doesn't the cat in Frodo's song get drunk and
> >play a violin?
>
> In article <0aa5a8b0-90db-4005...@googlegroups.com>,
> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >On consideration, doesn't the cat in Frodo's song get drunk and
> >play a violin?
>
> It is, as I said upthread, a "reconstructed original" of
> "Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
But I don't think it occurred to me otherwise that the cat was
> "Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
playing the instrument. Or how that would sound. Given how it is
when they /sing/.
BCFD36
Nov 15, 2012, 2:54:14 AM11/15/12
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On 11/12/12 9:01 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>
> I had a house fire in 2002. Unfortunately, my cat ran and hid, and the
> smoke was already heavy enough that I had to get out of the house myself,
> leaving it behind. Had I stayed behind to search for it, I probably
> would not have survived either.
>
Sorry to hear about your fire. I would have to agree, you would have
>
> I had a house fire in 2002. Unfortunately, my cat ran and hid, and the
> smoke was already heavy enough that I had to get out of the house myself,
> leaving it behind. Had I stayed behind to search for it, I probably
> would not have survived either.
>
died. Pets are usually smart enough to get out of the house, but not
always. I have taken a kitten out of a burned structure. Thank God no
one had a camera. We've taken a few dogs and cats out too.
--
Dave Scruggs
Sr. Software Engineer, Lockheed Martin
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire
ppint. at pplay
Nov 15, 2012, 11:54:48 AM11/15/12
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- hi; in article, <MDFMz...@kithrup.com>,
djh...@kithrup.com "Dorothy J Heydt" msquoke:
> David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
wouldn't he usually be in his - fairly hirsute - human form,
relaxing at home in front of the fire?
(& "symbionts" rather - hal apologised for his committing an
unneeded neologism waaaaaay back when - though "symbiote" is
more euphonious by far, to my ear.)
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
"The Dinner was loose again."
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
djh...@kithrup.com "Dorothy J Heydt" msquoke:
> David DeLaney <d...@vic.com> wrote:
>> ppint. at pplay wrote:
>>> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
>>> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
>>> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
>>> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
>>> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
>>
>>> - unless you claim the original comment concerned people in our
>>> world who are, or were, sentimental about all those cats that
>>> tolkien doesn't mention in harad, umbar, dol amroth, the grey
>>> havens, bag end, hobbiton, frogmorton, fornost, tharbad, the
>>> midgwater marshes, rivendell, moria, beorn's house,
>>
>>picturing a tiny white kitten kneading its claws in the fur near Beorn's
>>shoulder while Beorn is lying down with an incredibly patient expression
>>on his muzzle.
>
>Tolkien doesn't mention any cats among Beorn's symbiotes, no, but I can
>see that too. :)
- beorn being solicitous of all members of his oikumene; but
>>shoulder while Beorn is lying down with an incredibly patient expression
>>on his muzzle.
>
>Tolkien doesn't mention any cats among Beorn's symbiotes, no, but I can
>see that too. :)
wouldn't he usually be in his - fairly hirsute - human form,
relaxing at home in front of the fire?
(& "symbionts" rather - hal apologised for his committing an
unneeded neologism waaaaaay back when - though "symbiote" is
more euphonious by far, to my ear.)
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
- _Chanur's Homecoming_, C. J. Cherryh, 1987
Phantasia, Daw & Methuen Books
ppint. at pplay
Nov 15, 2012, 12:30:25 PM11/15/12
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- hi; in article,
<49415b3c-f4a0-4c55...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" confessed:
nor a musical instrument of any variety that was involved;
but all the best illustrated nursery rhyme books do show
a most musical moggie applying a well-rosined bow to the
strings (which, btw, are not and never were made of catgut).
>Or how that would sound.
- oh, reely good jigs, deafeningly; and also the occasional
walking-paced solo, without a doubt; you might be rewarded
with a vocal, too, if you're offered a rendition of the song
of the crew of the pride of chanur...
>Given how it is when they /sing/.
- surpassing attractively, i understand - to the right feline.
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
--
a superfluous upward key-change is the last resort of the incompetent composer
or producer of pop songs: the penultimate being the infliction of violins.
<49415b3c-f4a0-4c55...@googlegroups.com>,
rja.ca...@excite.com "Robert Carnegie" confessed:
> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>On consideration, doesn't the cat in Frodo's song get drunk and
>>>play a violin?
>>It is, as I said upthread, a "reconstructed original" of "Hey
>>diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
>
>But I don't think it occurred to me otherwise that the cat was
>playing the instrument.
- well, iiuc it was originally neither a furry quadruped,
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>On consideration, doesn't the cat in Frodo's song get drunk and
>>>play a violin?
>>It is, as I said upthread, a "reconstructed original" of "Hey
>>diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle."
>
>But I don't think it occurred to me otherwise that the cat was
>playing the instrument.
nor a musical instrument of any variety that was involved;
but all the best illustrated nursery rhyme books do show
a most musical moggie applying a well-rosined bow to the
strings (which, btw, are not and never were made of catgut).
>Or how that would sound.
walking-paced solo, without a doubt; you might be rewarded
with a vocal, too, if you're offered a rendition of the song
of the crew of the pride of chanur...
>Given how it is when they /sing/.
- love, ppint.
[drop the "v", and change the "f" to a "g", to email or cc.]
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or producer of pop songs: the penultimate being the infliction of violins.
Doug Wickström
Nov 16, 2012, 2:25:03 AM11/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:30:25 -0000 gmt,
v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") wrote:
>most musical moggie applying a well-rosined bow to the
> strings (which, btw, are not and never were made of catgut).
Of course not. Cats don't have long enough guts.
v$af$pp...@i-m-t.demon.co.uk ("ppint. at pplay") wrote:
>most musical moggie applying a well-rosined bow to the
> strings (which, btw, are not and never were made of catgut).
--
Doug Wickström
Dorothy J Heydt
Nov 16, 2012, 11:37:45 AM11/16/12
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In article <vhqba8ll481e6dk5n...@4ax.com>,
Well, no; they are carnivores. The more vegetation you have to
digest, the longer it takes to break it down, and the longer your
gut has to be, with caeca and rumina _quant. suff._
digest, the longer it takes to break it down, and the longer your
gut has to be, with caeca and rumina _quant. suff._
Tim McDaniel
Nov 30, 2012, 12:33:56 PM11/30/12
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I read sporatically.
In article <MDH66...@kithrup.com>,
"They estimate that there may be somewhere between several hundred and
a couple thousand coyotes living in Chicago."
It presents other findings, like "Urban coyotes survive far longer
than their rural cousins." and "the population densities in the urban
area are usually three to six times higher than rural populations."
<http://www.urbancoyoteresearch.com/index.htm> is the researchers' Web
site. Unfortuantely, they don't report those sorts of results on
their pages. They do give more info, like
Paul Morey analyzed scat contents at different locations within
our study area. He analyzed 1,429 scats and found that diet items
varied across space and time, which reflects the flexible food
habits of coyotes.
The most common food items were small rodents (42 percent), fruit
(23 percent), deer (22 percent), and rabbit (18 percent). (Scats
often have more than one diet item; therefore, frequencies do not
necessarily add up to 100 percent.) Apparently the majority of
coyotes in our study area do not, in fact, rely on pets or garbage
for their diets.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
In article <MDH66...@kithrup.com>,
David Goldfarb <goldf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <MDGMA...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>I don't THINK there are any coyotes in Vallejo.
>
>I'd be surprised if there weren't.
<http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/urbcoyot.htm>
>In article <MDGMA...@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>I don't THINK there are any coyotes in Vallejo.
>
>I'd be surprised if there weren't.
"They estimate that there may be somewhere between several hundred and
a couple thousand coyotes living in Chicago."
It presents other findings, like "Urban coyotes survive far longer
than their rural cousins." and "the population densities in the urban
area are usually three to six times higher than rural populations."
<http://www.urbancoyoteresearch.com/index.htm> is the researchers' Web
site. Unfortuantely, they don't report those sorts of results on
their pages. They do give more info, like
Paul Morey analyzed scat contents at different locations within
our study area. He analyzed 1,429 scats and found that diet items
varied across space and time, which reflects the flexible food
habits of coyotes.
The most common food items were small rodents (42 percent), fruit
(23 percent), deer (22 percent), and rabbit (18 percent). (Scats
often have more than one diet item; therefore, frequencies do not
necessarily add up to 100 percent.) Apparently the majority of
coyotes in our study area do not, in fact, rely on pets or garbage
for their diets.
--
Tim McDaniel, tm...@panix.com
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