The Existence of God, glorified & exalted is He.
Sarah
Though I haven’t seen the Creator, glorified & exalted is He, I
believe in Him .It's inescapable to believe in Him, because I see the
evidences of His existence in myself ,& in everywhere around me.
He has blessed every nation with sending an apostle from themselves,
informing them about the essence of the Almighty, His attributes, &
His purpose of creating them. { Messengers as bearers of good news as
well as of warning in order that mankind should have no plea against
Allâh after the (coming of) Messengers. And Allâh is Ever All-
Powerful, All-Wise.} (Nissa, 165)
We know how the gravity announces its existence,& we (human) have
discovered the laws which controls it. yet, the greatest scientists
can not know the quiddity of gravity. So, why do we believe in its
existence? Because we see the evidences of its existence everywhere.
Likewise, electricity, wireless wave, electron, & spirit. Therefore,
not seeing the object is not evidence that it doesn't exist.
Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
{ So the disbeliever was utterly defeated. And Allâh guides not the
people, who are Zâlimûn (wrong-doers).}(2. 258)
Every one of us knows his tall, width, weight, & qualities. However,
he knows nothing about his essence, his soul, & his spirit. It's a
secret. Yet, it's more real than any reality. If man doesn't know his
essence ,how does he claim the knowledge of God's essence, and a
fortiori, how to deny it?!
Let us listen to Albert Einstein when a group of theologians,
moralists, & materialists went to him in his office in the Seminary in
Princeton University. & they asked him:" What do you think about God?"
He replied:
" If I succeeded in inventing a machine that enables me to speak with
microbes,& I talked to a tiny microbe standing on a top of a single
human hair.I would ask him:"Where do you think you are?". He would
say: " I think I am standing on a tall tree" . Then I would say to
him:"This single hair you are standing on is only one of the hair of
human head.& the head is only one part of the human body."
Could this tiny microbe imagine the immensity of the human size & his
weight? No.
Compared to God, I am tinier than that microbe & infinitely smaller.
How could I come to know God who knows every thing?"
The stars can not be seen by our weak vision, while it is (the
ornament of the worldly sky) how to see the one who created them. & If
the human vision can't bear looking at the sun, How to bear looking at
the light of God, glorified & exalted is He.
Thus, when Moses said to God, glorified & exalted is He, {"O my Lord!
Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot
see Me, but look upon the mountain; if it stands still in its place
then you shall see Me."} God informed him that the mountain ,with its
strength & solidity ,doesn't still when God appears (manifestation).
What about a human who is weak?! { So when his Lord appeared to the
mountain , He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsâ (Moses) fell down
unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to
You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the
believers."} (al-a'araf. 143)
If God appeared to mankind in earth, they would be fascinated. & then,
this worldly existence wouldn't be a trial any more. Since the belief
would be mandatory (obligatory), & the test would be meaningless
Jack Tingle
> Though I haven�t seen the Creator, glorified & exalted is He, I
> believe in Him.
Well, alrighty then, and thank you Sister Sarah for sharing that with
us. Moving right along, back to the normal rec.arts.sf.written, does
anyone remember a short story from lo those many years back where our
universe was a failed science project by a not-too-bright student
superbeing? I don't remember the title or author.
Helpfully,
Jack Tingle
Dorothy J Heydt
Jack Tingle <wjti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Sarah wrote:
>
>> Though I haven�t seen the Creator, glorified & exalted is He, I
>> believe in Him.
>
>Well, alrighty then, and thank you Sister Sarah for sharing that with
>us. Moving right along, back to the normal rec.arts.sf.written, does
>anyone remember a short story from lo those many years back where our
>universe was a failed science project by a not-too-bright student
>superbeing? I don't remember the title or author.
No, but it sounds as if sister's been reading _Perelandra._
--
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Will in New Haven
>
> If God appeared to mankind in earth, they would be fascinated. & then,
> this worldly existence wouldn't be a trial any more. Since the belief
> would be mandatory (obligatory), & the test would be meaningless
We KNOW what mandatory means, but thanks for explaining it. Does this
test mean people intelligent enough to notice the massive evidence for
evolution fail but the stupid and willfully ignorant succeed?
--
Will in New Haven
Eric S. Harris
Sounds a bit like Heinlein's short story "The Unpleasant Profession of
Jonathan Hoag" or his novel "Job: A Comedy of Justice", except they were
more artistic endeavors rather than science projects. -Eric
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Wayne Throop
:: anyone remember a short story from lo those many years back where our
:: universe was a failed science project by a not-too-bright student
:: superbeing? I don't remember the title or author.
Not sure about that one. But it reminds me of a rleated YASID, where
Yaweh goes to construct a universe 7-days-style just like in Genesis,
but he keeps getting his plans bounced because of various items on
his environmental impact statement. He has to cut it down, leave out
more and more features, until he's left with just a spray of elementary
particles and some laws of quantum physics, which finally gets approved.
After he does his bit, all the other deities commiserate with him,
saying it was a real pity that he had to pare his project down to a
futile fireworks dipslay, essentially a massive explosion. Yaweh gets
a sly expression and says "well, just wait around a few billion years".
Probably from Analog in the 70s or early 80s. Probably. Or not.
Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
T Guy
> We know how the gravity announces its existence,& we (human) have
> discovered the laws which controls it. yet, the greatest scientists
> can not know the quiddity of gravity. So, why do we believe in its
> existence? Because we see the evidences of its existence everywhere.
> Likewise, electricity, wireless wave, electron, & spirit. Therefore,
> not seeing the object is not evidence that it doesn't exist.
(T Guy):
When did gravity, electricity and the wireless wave become objects?
(Sarah):
> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
(T Guy):
No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
were I to slice the top of your head off.
And having a brain is not the tst of sanity.
Does anyone know the technical term for this particular type of abuse
of logic?
(Sarah):
> The stars can not be seen by our weak vision
(T Guy):
No tin the daytime, no.
(Sarah):
> If God appeared to mankind in earth, they would be fascinated.
(T Guy):
Personally, I'd be inclined to offer him the loan of a clothes brush.
T Guy
chuck c.
Dear Sister Sarah,
Thank you for sharing your happiness with your imaginary friend. I
think, however, you would be better served by talking with a good
psychiatrist rather than littering the space of a newsgroup dedicated
to discussing sf.
Cordially,
CC
PS: I hear they've been making great strides with electroshock therapy
these days.
Kurt Busiek
Bill Snyder
wrote:
Yes, but if we include stuff that's not acknowledged by the author
to be fantasy, we open the door to the latter-day manifestations
of Shaver/Palmer and Elron the Unspeakable. Black helicopters,
gray aliens, sekrit Nazi bases in Antarctica . . .
--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]
Kurt Busiek
The Shaver Mysteries would be on-topic, though, right?
Bill Snyder
wrote:
>On 2009-10-26 09:37:31 -0700, Bill Snyder <bsn...@airmail.net> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:29:06 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-10-26 06:41:02 -0700, "chuck c." <cunn...@jmu.edu> said:
>>>
>>
>>>> Dear Sister Sarah,
>>>> Thank you for sharing your happiness with your imaginary friend. I
>>>> think, however, you would be better served by talking with a good
>>>> psychiatrist rather than littering the space of a newsgroup dedicated
>>>> to discussing sf.
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> CC
>>>> PS: I hear they've been making great strides with electroshock therapy
>>>> these days.
>>>
>>> Hey, SF _does_ include fantasy...
>>
>> Yes, but if we include stuff that's not acknowledged by the author
>> to be fantasy, we open the door to the latter-day manifestations
>> of Shaver/Palmer and Elron the Unspeakable. Black helicopters,
>> gray aliens, sekrit Nazi bases in Antarctica . . .
>
>The Shaver Mysteries would be on-topic, though, right?
So long as you don't start making a lot of dero-gatory comments.
Anthony Nance
> On 2009-10-26 09:37:31 -0700, Bill Snyder <bsn...@airmail.net> said:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:29:06 -0700, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-10-26 06:41:02 -0700, "chuck c." <cunn...@jmu.edu> said:
>>>
>>
>>>> Dear Sister Sarah,
>>>> Thank you for sharing your happiness with your imaginary friend. I
>>>> think, however, you would be better served by talking with a good
>>>> psychiatrist rather than littering the space of a newsgroup dedicated
>>>> to discussing sf.
>>>> Cordially,
>>>> CC
>>>> PS: I hear they've been making great strides with electroshock therapy
>>>> these days.
>>>
>>> Hey, SF _does_ include fantasy...
>>
>> Yes, but if we include stuff that's not acknowledged by the author
>> to be fantasy, we open the door to the latter-day manifestations
>> of Shaver/Palmer and Elron the Unspeakable. Black helicopters,
>> gray aliens, sekrit Nazi bases in Antarctica . . .
>
> The Shaver Mysteries would be on-topic, though, right?
Yes, as would the lesser known Burma Shaver mysteries:
Special spice
Just for the ladies
And one chap in
House Atreides
Burma-Shave
Tony
Johnny Tindalos
news:8ilbe5h7o8bhmtriv...@4ax.com:
That would be prepost-teros.
Des
"Making Light", James P. Hogan. Some excerpts on his website:
http://jamesphogan.com/books/info.php?titleID=16&cmd=sample&sample=89
Des
Sean O'Hara
declared:
I remember it from a book I had as a kid, a comic-book adaptation of
several Golden Age Story called The Bankstreet <mumble>. The story
ends on the seventh day with the superbeing being told he has to
destroy the project, right?
--
Sean O'Hara <http://www.diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com>
New audio book: As Long as You Wish by John O'Keefe
<http://librivox.org/short-science-fiction-collection-010/>
Sean O'Hara
> (Sarah <love.isla...@gmail.com> ):
>
>> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
>> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
>> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
>> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
>> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
>
> (T Guy):
>
> No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
> were I to slice the top of your head off.
>
I find this proposition dubious.
Michael Stemper
>(Sarah <love.isla...@gmail.com> ):
>> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
>> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
>> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
>> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
>> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
>No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
>were I to slice the top of your head off.
Well, if you did it carefully, like in _Wetware_, you could hold a mirror
up so that she could see it.
>> The stars can not be seen by our weak vision
>
>No tin the daytime, no.
Except for one, that is.
--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in.
Wayne Throop
:: yours were I to slice the top of your head off.
: mste...@walkabout.empros.com (Michael Stemper)
: Well, if you did it carefully, like in _Wetware_, you could hold a
: mirror up so that she could see it.
Warning: can be quite squicky, but of course there's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noupHDxmUTE
(well, Clarice seemed quite squicked, though the other two were not)
David DeLaney
>T Guy declared:
>> (Sarah <love.isla...@gmail.com> ):
>>> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
>>> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
>>> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
>>> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
>>> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
>>
>> (T Guy):
>>
>> No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
>> were I to slice the top of your head off.
>
>I find this proposition dubious.
ObSF: the recent short story _Exhalation_.
Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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netcat
mste...@walkabout.empros.com says...
> In article <cd20ca0c-3aba-4abc...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Guy <Tim.B...@redbridge.gov.uk> writes:
> >(Sarah <love.isla...@gmail.com> ):
>
> >> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
> >> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
> >> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
> >> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
> >> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
>
> >No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
> >were I to slice the top of your head off.
>
> Well, if you did it carefully, like in _Wetware_, you could hold a mirror
> up so that she could see it.
Or if you used sectioning as in Reynolds's _House of Suns_, you could
cut their head in half and move it into their line of vision.
rgds,
netcat
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Or you could use a glass dome like Mojo-Jojo! Like Mojo-Jojo, you could
use a glass dome! A glass dome could be used, as is used by the ultimate
mastermind of evil, the doer of diabolical devilishment, who is I, that
is to say I am that one to whom I refer, and that one, who is I, is ME!
MOOOOOJO JOJO! MUAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
netcat
sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
Did you just go temporarily nuts, or are you referring to some actually
existing batshit insane anime or something?
rgds,
netcat
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
You obviously have never watched the Powerpuff Girls. (Not an anime, a
Cartoon Network original, along with Dexter's Lab and Samurai Jack). For
had you watched the Powerpuff Girls, you would know the villain
Mojo-Jojo. I now resist the impulse to continue to repeat, in different
wording, the above, which would be acting as Mojo-Jojo does, because he
repeats himself, restates that which he said, says again those things he
was saying in different words, in a repetitious fashion...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojo_Jojo#Mojo_Jojo
Tina Hall
> netcat wrote:
>> mste...@walkabout.empros.com says...
>>>>> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this
>>>>> chair exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He
>>>>> doesn't exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane,
>>>>> teacher?". "Yes" the teacher replied. "Did you see your
>>>>> brain?" the student asked. "No" he replied. Then the student
>>>>> said "How do you claim being sane?"
>>>> No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could
>>>> see yours were I to slice the top of your head off.
>>> Well, if you did it carefully, like in _Wetware_, you could
>>> hold a mirror up so that she could see it.
>>
>> Or if you used sectioning as in Reynolds's _House of Suns_, you
>> could cut their head in half and move it into their line of
>> vision.
> Or you could use a glass dome like Mojo-Jojo! Like Mojo-Jojo,
> you could use a glass dome! A glass dome could be used, as is
> used by the ultimate mastermind of evil, the doer of diabolical
> devilishment, who is I, that is to say I am that one to whom I
> refer, and that one, who is I, is ME! MOOOOOJO JOJO!
> MUAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Er, sure.
Anyway, reading the quoted stuff, I was reminded of a CT I had once
done (trying to find the source of my headaches). The pictures
showed my brain sliced up nicely. (No cause for the headaches,
though.)
Though I prefer to jokingly say: They looked into my head, didn't
find anything. <g>
(The other joking doctor encounter - not that anyone but me ever
finds it funny - is: "Went to a lung doctor once. First they made
topless pictures, then I had to blow.")
--
(Jodra about Lanar) "Never mind them. We normally hide him away on some
lost and forgotten farm. Don't know who dug him out."
Aranar shook his head, smiling.
(Jodra) "Him, too." -- Seasons & Elements II: Controlling the Magic
netcat
I have indeed been so lucky.
> I now resist the impulse to continue to repeat, in different
> wording, the above, which would be acting as Mojo-Jojo does,
If you're trying to imply I did that, you obviously have never read
_House of Suns_.
rgds,
netcat
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
No, I was saying that, in my original post, that is to say, the post
which was originally made before this one, in which I mentioned
originally that villain who was named Mojo-Jojo, you could use a glass
dome covering your head to expose the brain so you can see it, which is
what Mojo-Jojo has on his head.
Wayne Throop
: netcat <net...@devnull.eridani.eol.ee>
: I have indeed been so lucky.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "lucky", since PPG, Samurai Jack,
Dexter's Lab, etc, have some of the same qualities as the old
Warner Brothers cartoons, namely, that they work on several levels,
and have things in them that only adults "get", as well as pretty
moving shiney objects for the kids. 'Course, they also have things
that only comic book and/or gaming nerds get, so ... well... yeah.
For example, no PPG, and you miss out on things like
"Meet the Beat Alls", which is hy-larious. IMO. May not be to
everybody's taste, but again, wouldn't go so far as to say it's "lucky"
never to even discover if you have a taste for it.
I do not talk like that! The way I communicate is much different.
I do not reiterate, repeat, restate the same thing over and over
again. I am clear, concise, to the point!
--- Mojo Jojo
I, Mojo Jojo, am your master, and you shall obey my commands like
the dogs you are! Because I am your master, it is I who you will
obey! Obeying commands is what you do! I will give you commands,
and you will obey them!
--- Mojo Jojo (being clear, concise, and to the point)
My father once wrote a monograph on how to communicate in the workplce.
All seven popes ordered it burned.
--- Gilgamesh Wulfenbach
Kurt Busiek
I wouldn't call it luck. Wouldn't call it good luck, at least.
Anyone who hasn't seen "Meet the Beat-Alls," at least, is missing out.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
And I don't think that one's nearly my favorite. Not sure which one IS.
(Well, aside from Bleedman's manga-version with the PPG, Dexter,
Samurai Jack, and just about everyone else, but that's another matter)
lal_truckee
are science fiction? Is that why you post here?
Default User
> In article <hcc48k$rb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
> > You obviously have never watched the Powerpuff Girls.
>
> I have indeed been so lucky.
That is the form of luck more commonly called "bad luck".
Brian
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trag
> In article <hcbuee$aa...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com says...
>
>
>
> > netcat wrote:
> > > In article <hc9rr1$3r...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > mstem...@walkabout.empros.com says...
> > >> In article <cd20ca0c-3aba-4abc-88cc-8f4332e81...@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>, T Guy <Tim.Bate...@redbridge.gov.uk> writes:
> > >>> (Sarah <love.isla...@gmail.com> ):
> > >>>> Once, an atheist teacher addressed his students saying: "this chair
> > >>>> exists because we see it. But, we don't see God. So, He doesn't
> > >>>> exist" .One of the students said:" Are you sane, teacher?". "Yes" the
> > >>>> teacher replied. "Did you see your brain?" the student asked. "No" he
> > >>>> replied. Then the student said "How do you claim being sane?"
> > >>> No one can see their own brain, though, for example, I could see yours
> > >>> were I to slice the top of your head off.
> > >> Well, if you did it carefully, like in _Wetware_, you could hold a mirror
> > >> up so that she could see it.
>
> > > Or if you used sectioning as in Reynolds's _House of Suns_, you could
> > > cut their head in half and move it into their line of vision.
>
> > Or you could use a glass dome like Mojo-Jojo! Like Mojo-Jojo, you could
> > use a glass dome! A glass dome could be used, as is used by the ultimate
> > mastermind of evil, the doer of diabolical devilishment, who is I, that
> > is to say I am that one to whom I refer, and that one, who is I, is ME!
> > MOOOOOJO JOJO! MUAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
>
> Did you just go temporarily nuts, or are you referring to some actually
> existing batshit insane anime or something?
Well, there was an evil genius ten-year-old (twelve-year-old??) in
"The Tick" who felt that his brilliant brain was so glorious that
everyone should be able to see and admire it so he replaced his skull
with a glass dome. But I don't remember that being his name.
Chris Thompson
> I don't understand you people - do you really believe your Holy Books
> are science fiction? Is that why you post here?
*Speculative* Fiction, please. It's long since been accepted that
discussion of (written) Fantasy is on-topic here.
But who knows what trolls "really believe", anyway? Does the concept
even make sense?
--
Chris Thompson
Email: cet1 [at] cam.ac.uk