TryingTannith
Endy9
On Tannith's site she offers a free short story for download called "The
Origin of Snow". It's in the flat earth world.
Someone earlier asked a good place to start reading Tannith. I suggest this
short story to see if you like Flat Earth type stories.
--
Dennis/Endy
Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your
character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others
think you are. (John Wooden)
--
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--
Vera Nazarian
wrote:
Dennis/Endy,
Just to add to your suggestion...
First, her name is "Tanith" with one "n." :-) This might help when
searching for her name.
Tanith Lee is probably my favorite speculative fiction genre author,
so this got me out of the woodwork.
Tanith Lee's style is elegant, beautiful -- a sort of flamenco of
language, proud, hauty, sublime, submerged in exoticism and cruel
beauty. If you enjoy such stark beauty of language and yet richness
of imagery, this is for you.
Also, she is more traditional, not so much like the baroque surrealism
of some of the fantasy "new wavers" -- she is in some ways more clear
and powerful, and so, cuts like a knife.....
Now -- the thing about Lee is, she has several phases or subgenres she
works in: high fantasy (her earlier period and still my fave), dark
fantasy/horror, and young adult SF/Fantasy. This is a crude
subdivision, but here is what you might want to start with, just to
get your feet wet, so to speak:
THE SILVER METAL LOVER -- a great coming of age love story, SF mode.
Recently reprinted due to huge popular demand.
THE BIRTHGRAVE -- her first novel, and a vibrant elegant high fantasy
debut. There are two more books in the series, but try this first.
Tales From the Flat Earth series -- possibly her most evocative and
well-known high fantasy, exotic and beautiful, the height of her
fascination with India and the Middle East period.
The Wars of Vis, which include THE STORM LORD, ANACKIRE, THE WHITE
SERPENT
The Paradys books -- decadent historical/ Rennaissance fantasy,
includes THE BOOK... books (see the biblio below).
The Personal Darkness serioes -- vampire horror dark fantasy.
The more recent Venus books series -- decadent elegant historical
Some standalone personal favorites:
SABELLA OR THE BLOOD STONE -- Vampire SF.
CYRION -- wonderful mythic hero high fantasy.
LYCANTHIA -- erotic horror, her earlier forays.
SUNG IN SHADOW -- fabulous retelling of Romeo and Juliet.
LEAVES OF GRASS -- erotic ally mystifying alien invasion SF, somewhat
like the War of the Worlds, but completely unlike. *grin*
There is much more, but this is just for starters.
Here is a great link to Tanith's annotated bibliography:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/jim.pattison/
This should be a good introduction to Lee. Enjoy! And I do envy
anyone here this opportunity to discover Tanith Lee's elegant worlds
for the first time. :-)
~ Vera
--
An unrequited love... Sex and sorrow and exultation... A world in shades of silver...
Discover a new phase of epic fantasy.
LORDS OF RAINBOW
ISBN: 1-59224-823-3
Betancourt & Company, March 2003
http://www.LordsOfRainbow.com/
Emma Edwards
"Vera Nazarian" <vera.n...@sff.net> wrote in message
news:lae49vsta5je1pkum...@4ax.com...<snip>
I found this interesting - the only book I've read by Tanith Lee is one of
my all time favourites - it was a (old and battered) combined volume of
Drinking Sapphire Wine and Don't Bite the Sun - a friend gave it to me years
ago.
Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
Regards
Emma
Htn963
[snip Vera's list]
>I found this interesting - the only book I've read by Tanith Lee is one of
>my all time favourites - it was a (old and battered) combined volume of
>Drinking Sapphire Wine and Don't Bite the Sun - a friend gave it to me years
>ago.
I also started Lee with that duology.
>Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
The _Tales of the Flat Earth_ series, which I am enjoying immensely right
now.
--
Ht
|Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore
never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
--John Donne, "Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions"|
Allan Griffith
vera.n...@sff.net says...
> Some standalone personal favorites:
>
> SABELLA OR THE BLOOD STONE -- Vampire SF.
> CYRION -- wonderful mythic hero high fantasy.
> LYCANTHIA -- erotic horror, her earlier forays.
> SUNG IN SHADOW -- fabulous retelling of Romeo and Juliet.
> LEAVES OF GRASS -- erotic ally mystifying alien invasion SF, somewhat
> like the War of the Worlds, but completely unlike. *grin*
SABELLA and LYCANTHIA are among my favourite Lee books as well. Along
with REIGNING CATS AND DOGS, which is close to being my favourite fantasy
novel, by any author. An absolutely superb book.
Al
Allan Griffith
htn...@cs.com says...
> >Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
>
> The _Tales of the Flat Earth_ series, which I am enjoying immensely right
> now.
They're as good a place to start as any. If you're more of an SF person
than a fantasy person, then perhaps SABELLA or THE SILVER METAL LOVER.
Al
Vera Nazarian
<ej...@student.open.ac.uk> wrote:
>I found this interesting - the only book I've read by Tanith Lee is one of
>my all time favourites - it was a (old and battered) combined volume of
>Drinking Sapphire Wine and Don't Bite the Sun - a friend gave it to me years
>ago.
>
>Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
>
>Regards
>
>Emma
>
Okay, on the basis of DRINKING SAPPHIRE WINE and DON'T BITE THE SUN,
both of which happen to be SF, I would recommend:
THE SILVER METAL LOVER
ELECTRIC FOREST
SABELLA, OR THE BLOODSTONE
DAY BY NIGHT
DAYS OF GRASS
I can't think of any other straight SF (or futuristic) novels of hers,
and these are a good start.
Also, a correction to my earlier post -- I mentioned that the Personal
Darkness books are vampire horror, but I meant to say the *series*
itself is actually called the Blood Opera sequence, and PERSONAL
DARKNESS is one of the books in it.
It is also somewhat of a mix of vampire and some other nameless
creature, so a bit of werewolf is involved.
Vera Nazarian
>"Emma Edwards" wrote:
>>Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
>
> The _Tales of the Flat Earth_ series, which I am enjoying immensely right
>now.
>
The Flat Earth books are wonderful but fantasy, and so might be next
in line. :-)
On the other hand, with Lee, you pretty much just throw up your hands
suspend any genre preferences and read whatever books you can get your
hands on. I'm one of those peolpe who tends to dislike horror, or at
least not enjoy it as much, but I will read Lee horror any day.
Incidentally I still have not read the newest books of hers, the Venus
books (FACES UNDER WATER, SAINT FIRE, BED OF EARTH), so no comment
there, but I bet they will live up to her standards.
Vera Nazarian
<agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>SABELLA and LYCANTHIA are among my favourite Lee books as well. Along
>with REIGNING CATS AND DOGS, which is close to being my favourite fantasy
>novel, by any author. An absolutely superb book.
>
>Al
You know, I never read REIGNING CATS AND DOGS for the simple fact I
could never find it anywhere. :(
I believe it was only released in the UK?
I would *love* to get my hands on it.
Just as, I would love to be able to afford a hardcover PRINCESS
HYNCHATTI, but the last time I've seen one at a used bookseller it was
over a $100.
Allan Griffith
vera.n...@sff.net says...
>
> You know, I never read REIGNING CATS AND DOGS for the simple fact I
> could never find it anywhere. :(
>
> I believe it was only released in the UK?
>
> I would *love* to get my hands on it.
It's almost unbelievably difficult to get hold of. I was lucky enough to
find the UK paperback edition in a local used bookstore (local being
Cemtral Coast, New South Wales). It's without a doubt the best thing
she's ever written.
Al
Endy9
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.tanithlee.com/
> >
> >On Tannith's site she offers a free short story for download called "The
> >Origin of Snow". It's in the flat earth world.
> >
> >Someone earlier asked a good place to start reading Tannith. I suggest
this
> >short story to see if you like Flat Earth type stories.
> >
>
> Just to add to your suggestion...
>
> First, her name is "Tanith" with one "n." :-) This might help when
> searching for her name.
>
Thanks for the correction. I always make that spelling mistake (slapping
head). And I agree. Her writing is distinctive. A nice, different voice.
Refreshing.
Endy9
> On 08 Apr 2003 08:49:39 GMT, htn...@cs.com (Htn963) wrote:
>
> >"Emma Edwards" wrote:
>
> >>Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
> >
> > The _Tales of the Flat Earth_ series, which I am enjoying immensely
right
> >now.
> >
>
> The Flat Earth books are wonderful but fantasy, and so might be next
> in line. :-)
>
> On the other hand, with Lee, you pretty much just throw up your hands
> suspend any genre preferences and read whatever books you can get your
> hands on. I'm one of those peolpe who tends to dislike horror, or at
> least not enjoy it as much, but I will read Lee horror any day.
>
> Incidentally I still have not read the newest books of hers, the Venus
> books (FACES UNDER WATER, SAINT FIRE, BED OF EARTH), so no comment
> there, but I bet they will live up to her standards.
>
>
If you like short stories her collections
The Gorgon and Other Beastly Tales
Red as Blood
Are both excellent.
--
Dennis/Endy
Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your
character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others
think you are. (John Wooden)
--
http://home.attbi.com/~phleblori1/endy9/index.htm
--
Allan Griffith
endym...@attbi.com says...
> If you like short stories her collections
> The Gorgon and Other Beastly Tales
> Red as Blood
I'll second the recommendation for _Red as Blood_, a collection of
delightfully twisted fairy tales.
Al
Rachel Brown
and WOLF STAR, is an absolute delight.
It's in the form of a diary by a teenage girl in a very weird,
apparently post-apocalypse world. In the first book, the story is
episodic, but the narrative voice is hilarious, and there's some
interesting reversals of expectations which I guessed at, but probably
wouldn't have it I hadn't read a lot of Tanith Lee.
Except for an interlude in a city run on lines so disturbing as to tip
the episode in to horror, this is light, breezy, and extremely fun.
Read it and take your mind off the wretched state of the world (except
for the horror bit, which is about just how bad living under a lunatic
with absolute power can get.)
The second book is much less episodic and even better. Most of it
takes places in one of the more bizarre milieus I've come across in
sf, a palace in which the rooms move around apparently at random and
which is inhabited by robot servants, strangely altered humans,
plants, and animals, and a very sulky prince.
These are aimed at teenagers or younger, so don't expect anything like
Lee's very adult works for adults. I loved them.
On a different note, Lee is an even better writer of short stories
than she is a novelist. Any collection of her short stories is a sure
bet, though you will have to comb used bookshops for them.
"The Gorgon," is a disturbing classic, and her story "Wolfed" in the
Datlow/Windling erotic fantasy _Sirens_ is funny, sexy, well-written,
hard-to-predict, and clever, one of the best in a very good anthology,
and sure to please anyone who isn't allergic to tales of the idle
rich. (I think Doris Egan's unusual take on a familiar theme is _the_
best.)
Mivarsh Faz
:THE BIRTHGRAVE -- her first novel, and a vibrant elegant high fantasy
:debut. There are two more books in the series, but try this first.
:
Well, her first *adult* novel. Also, my first taste of Tanith,
and the book that hooked me on to her. This book is addictive, every
time you finish a chapter you find yourself saying, "Just *one* more!"
;-{)>
:Tales From the Flat Earth series -- possibly her most evocative and
:well-known high fantasy, exotic and beautiful, the height of her
:fascination with India and the Middle East period.
:
I loved these books, they sort of petered out toward the end, but
the earliest ones were wonderful. Too bad so few writers write like
this.
:Some standalone personal favorites:
:
:SABELLA OR THE BLOOD STONE -- Vampire SF.
:CYRION -- wonderful mythic hero high fantasy.
:LYCANTHIA -- erotic horror, her earlier forays.
:SUNG IN SHADOW -- fabulous retelling of Romeo and Juliet.
:LEAVES OF GRASS -- erotic ally mystifying alien invasion SF, somewhat
:like the War of the Worlds, but completely unlike. *grin*
You must be confusing Tanith with Walt Whitman, that sounds like
"*Days* of Grass." And another standalone I'd recommend is
"Volkhavaar," a really wonderful one-off fantasy novel. Her best SF by
a longshot (IMO SF isn't really her forté) comprises "Don't Bite The
Sun" and "Drinking Sapphire Wine" (recently anthologized as "Biting
The Sun" in a slightly inappropriate fantasy-ish looking cover).
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
to reply, See Beautiful Corners GLOBAL-ly, "dot" your I's and above
all, don't get caught in the NET
"It is not an obscenity to be free. It is a divine right." --Annette
Peacock
N.P.:"Primo Incontro"- I l B a l l e t t o d i B r o n z o / Y s
starblood
news:6ig79v8ro9bn0kjg9...@4ax.com...
> Vera Nazarian <vera.n...@sff.net> wrote:
>
> :THE BIRTHGRAVE -- her first novel, and a vibrant elegant high fantasy
> :debut. There are two more books in the series, but try this first.
> :
> Well, her first *adult* novel. Also, my first taste of Tanith,
> and the book that hooked me on to her.
The books that hooked me were:
The Blood Opera
The Unicorn series
Also loved Heartbeast, Elephantasm and The Silver Metal Lover.
When The Lights Go Out was good, but I don't remember much about it.
Vera Nazarian
I will be on the solid lookout for this book!
Vera Nazarian
wrote:
>If you like short stories her collections
>The Gorgon and Other Beastly Tales
>Red as Blood
>
>Are both excellent.
>--
>Dennis/Endy
>Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your
>character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others
>think you are. (John Wooden)
>--
>http://home.attbi.com/~phleblori1/endy9/index.htm
Oh yes, those are definitely wonderful.
I also recommend the story collection TAMASTARA OR THE INDIAN NIGHTS,
which has a strongly eastern flavor (Indian, obviously), but also
ranges from fantasy to SF to almost slipstream.
Vera Nazarian
wrote:
>Her current YA quatrology, of which the first two books are WOLF TOWER
>and WOLF STAR, is an absolute delight.
>
>It's in the form of a diary by a teenage girl in a very weird,
>apparently post-apocalypse world. In the first book, the story is
>episodic, but the narrative voice is hilarious, and there's some
>interesting reversals of expectations which I guessed at, but probably
>wouldn't have it I hadn't read a lot of Tanith Lee.
>
>Except for an interlude in a city run on lines so disturbing as to tip
>the episode in to horror, this is light, breezy, and extremely fun.
>Read it and take your mind off the wretched state of the world (except
>for the horror bit, which is about just how bad living under a lunatic
>with absolute power can get.)
>
>The second book is much less episodic and even better. Most of it
>takes places in one of the more bizarre milieus I've come across in
>sf, a palace in which the rooms move around apparently at random and
>which is inhabited by robot servants, strangely altered humans,
>plants, and animals, and a very sulky prince.
>
>These are aimed at teenagers or younger, so don't expect anything like
>Lee's very adult works for adults. I loved them.
I have purchased the WOLF books but have not read them still -- they
are somewhere on my to-be-read mountain. :-)
>On a different note, Lee is an even better writer of short stories
>than she is a novelist. Any collection of her short stories is a sure
>bet, though you will have to comb used bookshops for them.
Interesting observation. I am not sure I agree, but it is almost hard
to say, considering she is so good at both story and novel form.
Now, I am trying to think if there have been any Lee "clunkers" in her
novels, and the closest to dissatisfaction for me has been, I would
have to say, HEROINE OF THE WORLD. That book starts out promisingly
enough, in the usual Lee high fantasy style, with an interesting
heroine and intriguing tension, but then just sort of loses momentum
and does not have a conflict or a real point -- unless you consider
the title itself in irony and think of her POV female character as the
wandering maiden who is about as heroic as a mouse. :-) But even so,
the book itself -- in the course of the reading -- is a typical Lee
pleasure.
>"The Gorgon," is a disturbing classic, and her story "Wolfed" in the
>Datlow/Windling erotic fantasy _Sirens_ is funny, sexy, well-written,
>hard-to-predict, and clever, one of the best in a very good anthology,
>and sure to please anyone who isn't allergic to tales of the idle
>rich. (I think Doris Egan's unusual take on a familiar theme is _the_
>best.)
"The Gorgon" is very powerful and wistful. I vaguely remember reading
the erotic story from the SIRENS but don't think that one left as much
of an impression on me.
Vera Nazarian
wrote:
>"Vera Nazarian" <vera.n...@sff.net> wrote in message
>> First, her name is "Tanith" with one "n." :-) This might help when
>> searching for her name.
>>
>
>Thanks for the correction. I always make that spelling mistake (slapping
>head). And I agree. Her writing is distinctive. A nice, different voice.
>Refreshing.
Didn't mean to pick on you, just making sure people can find her work
under the correct spelling. :-)
Vera Nazarian
wrote:
>Vera Nazarian <vera.n...@sff.net> wrote:
>
>:THE BIRTHGRAVE -- her first novel, and a vibrant elegant high fantasy
>:debut. There are two more books in the series, but try this first.
>:
> Well, her first *adult* novel. Also, my first taste of Tanith,
>and the book that hooked me on to her. This book is addictive, every
>time you finish a chapter you find yourself saying, "Just *one* more!"
>;-{)>
You are right, my mistake.
She had some young adult novels out first, according to the bio it was
THE DRAGON HOARD that was her first novel publication, a children's
book or young adult.
>:Tales From the Flat Earth series -- possibly her most evocative and
>:well-known high fantasy, exotic and beautiful, the height of her
>:fascination with India and the Middle East period.
>:
> I loved these books, they sort of petered out toward the end, but
>the earliest ones were wonderful. Too bad so few writers write like
>this.
Agreed! :-)
>:Some standalone personal favorites:
>:
>:SABELLA OR THE BLOOD STONE -- Vampire SF.
>:CYRION -- wonderful mythic hero high fantasy.
>:LYCANTHIA -- erotic horror, her earlier forays.
>:SUNG IN SHADOW -- fabulous retelling of Romeo and Juliet.
>:LEAVES OF GRASS -- erotic ally mystifying alien invasion SF, somewhat
>:like the War of the Worlds, but completely unlike. *grin*
>
> You must be confusing Tanith with Walt Whitman, that sounds like
>"*Days* of Grass." And another standalone I'd recommend is
>"Volkhavaar," a really wonderful one-off fantasy novel. Her best SF by
>a longshot (IMO SF isn't really her forté) comprises "Don't Bite The
>Sun" and "Drinking Sapphire Wine" (recently anthologized as "Biting
>The Sun" in a slightly inappropriate fantasy-ish looking cover).
LOL! Yes, I think I had a brain burp there, DAYS OF GRASS it is. As
far as this book, forgot to mention that it reminds one of the Beauty
and the Beast fairytale in some ways.
>
> MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
>
>to reply, See Beautiful Corners GLOBAL-ly, "dot" your I's and above
>all, don't get caught in the NET
>
>"It is not an obscenity to be free. It is a divine right." --Annette
>Peacock
>
>N.P.:"Primo Incontro"- I l B a l l e t t o d i B r o n z o / Y s
Vera Nazarian
<moonh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>When The Lights Go Out was good, but I don't remember much about it.
Hmm, that's another one I don't think I've read.
starblood
> Now, I am trying to think if there have been any Lee "clunkers" in her
> novels, and the closest to dissatisfaction for me has been, I would
> have to say, HEROINE OF THE WORLD. That book starts out promisingly
> enough, in the usual Lee high fantasy style, with an interesting
> heroine and intriguing tension, but then just sort of loses momentum
> and does not have a conflict or a real point -- unless you consider
> the title itself in irony and think of her POV female character as the
> wandering maiden who is about as heroic as a mouse. :-) But even so,
> the book itself -- in the course of the reading -- is a typical Lee
> pleasure.
I actually couldn't get through that book. That's the only one so far,
though.
starblood
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:30:44 GMT, Allan Griffith
> <agri4042@REMOVE_THIS.bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> >In article <j8669v02jqrhsug47...@4ax.com>,
> >vera.n...@sff.net says...
> >>
> >> You know, I never read REIGNING CATS AND DOGS for the simple fact I
> >> could never find it anywhere. :(
> >>
> >> I believe it was only released in the UK?
> >>
> >> I would *love* to get my hands on it.
> >
> >It's almost unbelievably difficult to get hold of. I was lucky enough to
> >find the UK paperback edition in a local used bookstore (local being
> >Cemtral Coast, New South Wales). It's without a doubt the best thing
> >she's ever written.
> >
I found it in a new bookstore (one of those large superstores, I forget the
name) in London, but that was a few years back. Haven't read it yet for no
particular reason, but maybe I'll pick it up next. Glad to hear it's a good
one. I also picked up EVA FAIRDEATH and WHEN THE LIGHTS GO OUT, two others
that have never been published in the US.
starblood
> Also, a correction to my earlier post -- I mentioned that the Personal
> Darkness books are vampire horror, but I meant to say the *series*
> itself is actually called the Blood Opera sequence, and PERSONAL
> DARKNESS is one of the books in it.
>
> It is also somewhat of a mix of vampire and some other nameless
> creature, so a bit of werewolf is involved.
The vampire label was more of an attempt by the publisher to capitalize on a
hot property than an accurate representation of the characters within.
It's a shame the third book was such a dud, because the first two were
fantastic. I wonder if there will be any more.
Allan Griffith
vera.n...@sff.net says...
> Now, I am trying to think if there have been any Lee "clunkers" in her
> novels, and the closest to dissatisfaction for me has been, I would
> have to say, HEROINE OF THE WORLD. That book starts out promisingly
> enough, in the usual Lee high fantasy style, with an interesting
> heroine and intriguing tension, but then just sort of loses momentum
> and does not have a conflict or a real point -- unless you consider
> the title itself in irony and think of her POV female character as the
> wandering maiden who is about as heroic as a mouse. :-) But even so,
> the book itself -- in the course of the reading -- is a typical Lee
> pleasure.
_Heroine of the World_ is the only Tanith Lee book I've read that I
didn't like, but after reading the chapter on that book in Mavis Haut's
_The Hidden Library of Tanith Lee_, I really think I'm going to have to
reread it.
Al
Endy9
scrapbook, because I like the artwork. I started doing this in 98 and
looking back through the covers remembered a Tanith story I really enjoyed
in 98 called All The Birds of Hell.
Not sure if it has ever been collected into a book.
--
Dennis/Endy
~Dancing us from darkest night is the rhythm of love
Powered on by the beating of hearts~ -XTC
http://home.attbi.com/~phleblori1/endy9/index.htm
--
Mivarsh Faz
:Now, I am trying to think if there have been any Lee "clunkers" in her
:novels
I am generally dissatisfied with her attempts at SF. "Electric
Forest" left a nasty taste in my mouth, and I found "Day By Night" and
"Days of Grass" to be rather mediocre. "Don't Bite The Sun" and
"Drinking Sapphire Wine" were excellent, but for me, they had more of
a feel of satire using SF as a literary device than full-on SF. I
guess her tendency to overexplain things kind of ruins her SF output
for me. Certainly, most of the rest of what I've read by her has been
good to excellent, and that includes the juvenile fantasy stuff.
MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear")
to reply, See Beautiful Corners GLOBAL-ly, "dot" your I's and above
all, don't get caught in the NET
"You can take the war out of the soldier, but you can't raise that
soldier from the dead."
--Shona Laing
N.P.:"Music without gravity"- S e n s a t i o n s' F i x / F r a g m
e n t s o f L i g h t
Joe Bernstein
Emma Edwards <ej...@student.open.ac.uk> wrote:
> I found this interesting - the only book I've read by Tanith Lee is one
> of my all time favourites - it was a (old and battered) combined volume
> of Drinking Sapphire Wine and Don't Bite the Sun - a friend gave it to
> me years ago.
>
> Which of her books would you recommend on that basis?
That pair is about youthful passionate idealism.
<The Silver Metal Lover> is about youthful passionate romance; <Kill
the Dead> is, in a way, about idealism, although it doesn't see
idealism remotely as kindly as does <Drinking Sapphire Wine>. Both
are excellent books.
I've read only maybe half a dozen of Lee's books, all published in
the 1970s, and there may well be others that would fit the bill from
this point of view, but I was unpersuaded by the answers you got
that basically said those two books are SF so what you would like
would be SF. If all of us are wrong about what attracts you in
those books, though, you'll have to say so.
Joe Bernstein
--
Joe Bernstein, writer and clerk j...@sfbooks.com
<http://these-survive.postilion.org/>