Heinlein story ID: Kitten falling asleep on sleeve of the Prophet's gown, or somesuch
Paul Ciszek
Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
>Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
>kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
>though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
>wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
>point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
>falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
I don't know about a Heinlein retelling, but I've heard in
several places (so if it isn't true, it's well-distributed) that
Mohammed was so fond of cats that when one fell asleep on his
sleeve he cut the sleeve off rather than wake it. I've heard it
told only of Mohammed. (Mind you, even if true it may be greatly
exaggerated: from what I know of middle-Eastern garb, he could
easily have just slid out of the robe without disturbing the
cat.)
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> In article <ip2lgl$q5...@reader1.panix.com>,
good thing it wasn't a lapcat, that would make for a different story
Dorothy J Heydt
tphile <tph...@cableone.net> wrote:
>On Apr 24, 9:26 pm, djhe...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:
>> In article <ip2lgl$q5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>>
>> Paul Ciszek <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
>> >Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
>> >kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
>> >though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
>> >wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
>> >point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
>> >falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
>>
>> I don't know about a Heinlein retelling, but I've heard in
>> several places (so if it isn't true, it's well-distributed) that
>> Mohammed was so fond of cats that when one fell asleep on his
>> sleeve he cut the sleeve off rather than wake it. I've heard it
>> told only of Mohammed. (Mind you, even if true it may be greatly
>> exaggerated: from what I know of middle-Eastern garb, he could
>> easily have just slid out of the robe without disturbing the
>> cat.)
>
He could probably have wriggled out of it anyway.
Kurt Busiek
> My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
> Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
> kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
> though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
> wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
> point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
> falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
It's in (no surprise), THE DOOR INTO SUMMER, Chapter 2:
"Cats have no sense of humor, they have terribly inflated egos, and
they are very touchy. If somebody asked me why it was worth anyone's
time to cater to them I would be forced to answer that there is no
logical reason. I would rather explain to someone who detests sharp
cheeses why he 'ought to like' Limburger. Nevertheless, I fully
sympathize with the mandarin who cut off a priceless embroidered sleeve
because a kitten was sleeping on it."
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"Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
> Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
> kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
> though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
> wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
> point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
> falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
>
Hand, in "The Sixth Column", musing that Confucius cut a brocaded sleeve
rather than disturb a sleeping kitten.
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Paul Ciszek
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Kurt Busiek
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> In article <ip2q98$im5$1...@dont-email.me>, Kurt Busiek <ku...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-04-24 19:15:49 -0700, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) said:
>>
>>> My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
>>> Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
>>> kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
>>> though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
>>> wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
>>> point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
>>> falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO.
>>
>> It's in (no surprise), THE DOOR INTO SUMMER, Chapter 2:
>>
>> "Cats have no sense of humor, they have terribly inflated egos, and
>> they are very touchy. If somebody asked me why it was worth anyone's
>> time to cater to them I would be forced to answer that there is no
>> logical reason. I would rather explain to someone who detests sharp
>> cheeses why he 'ought to like' Limburger. Nevertheless, I fully
>> sympathize with the mandarin who cut off a priceless embroidered sleeve
>> because a kitten was sleeping on it."
>
> Thanks.
>
> (1 hour, 22 minutes)
Just so you know -- all I did was think, "Hmm, I remember something
like that," and then Google "heinlein kitten sleeve." It was the eighth
result.
Mark Reichert
Which is another illustration that many (most?) people are so detached
from the idea that they should do research themselves that they'd
rather post here and wait for somebody to do it for them.
I supposed it is a step up from the usual "make shit up and pretend it
is true" approach a frightening fraction of the American public use.
Joseph Nebus
Or aren't sure how to pick out the key elements but are aware
that putting up questions they don't know are good ways to get answers
and conversations. If we all googled what we didn't know, what would
there be to talk about besides the Normal Rasfw Cycle Of Topics?
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Kurt Busiek
> In <32c9b02c-8dfa-4c36...@k40g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
> Mark Reichert <Mark_R...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Apr 24, 11:53 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>> On 2011-04-24 20:55:40 -0700, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) said:
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>> (1 hour, 22 minutes)
>>>
>>> Just so you know -- all I did was think, "Hmm, I remember something
>>> like that," and then Google "heinlein kitten sleeve." It was the eighth
>>> result.
>
>> Which is another illustration that many (most?) people are so detached
>> from the idea that they should do research themselves that they'd
>> rather post here and wait for somebody to do it for them.
>
> Or aren't sure how to pick out the key elements but are aware
> that putting up questions they don't know are good ways to get answers
> and conversations.
Yeah, the reason I pointed out my search wasn't to harsh on those who
fail to Google (I save that for egregious failures), but to point out
that the key elements in this question could be isolated easily.
"Teach a man to fish" rather than "Hit him with the fish," if that follows.
Robert Carnegie
> On 2011-04-25 11:24:19 -0700, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In <32c9b02c-8dfa-4c36-b5b1-e279dcabc...@k40g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
> > Mark Reichert <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >> On Apr 24, 11:53 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2011-04-24 20:55:40 -0700, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) said:
> >>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>> (1 hour, 22 minutes)
>
> >>> Just so you know -- all I did was think, "Hmm, I remember something
> >>> like that," and then Google "heinlein kitten sleeve." It was the eighth
> >>> result.
>
> >> Which is another illustration that many (most?) people are so detached
> >> from the idea that they should do research themselves that they'd
> >> rather post here and wait for somebody to do it for them.
>
> > Or aren't sure how to pick out the key elements but are aware
> > that putting up questions they don't know are good ways to get answers
> > and conversations.
>
> Yeah, the reason I pointed out my search wasn't to harsh on those who
> fail to Google (I save that for egregious failures), but to point out
> that the key elements in this question could be isolated easily.
>
> "Teach a man to fish" rather than "Hit him with the fish," if that follows.
I suppose Paul felt that the story was more likely to be attached to
Mohammed (although apparently it isn't) than to Heinlein, and then
Mohammed is a very common name even if you decide on just one way to
spell it.
It sounds more like a tale of St. Francis, except for the expensive
clothing, which probably goes against being a monk, but such rules can
be bent.
Kurt Busiek
> On Apr 25, 9:44 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-04-25 11:24:19 -0700, nebu...@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In <32c9b02c-8dfa-4c36-b5b1-e279dcabc...@k40g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
>>> Mark Reichert <Mark_Reich...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>> On Apr 24, 11:53 pm, Kurt Busiek <k...@busiek.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just so you know -- all I did was think, "Hmm, I remember something
>>>>> like that," and then Google "heinlein kitten sleeve." It was the eighth
>>>>> result.
>>
>>>> Which is another illustration that many (most?) people are so detached
>>>> from the idea that they should do research themselves that they'd
>>>> rather post here and wait for somebody to do it for them.
>>
>>> Or aren't sure how to pick out the key elements but are aware
>>> that putting up questions they don't know are good ways to get answers
>>> and conversations.
>>
>> Yeah, the reason I pointed out my search wasn't to harsh on those who
>> fail to Google (I save that for egregious failures), but to point out
>> that the key elements in this question could be isolated easily.
>
> I suppose Paul felt that the story was more likely to be attached to
> Mohammed (although apparently it isn't) than to Heinlein,
Then you didn't read Paul's post.
"My girlfriend made reference to a story about a kitten falling asleep on
Mohammed's sleve, and him cutting away the sleeve rather than wake the
kitten. She said that Heinlein referenced this in one of his stories,
though he may have substituted some other sage for Mohammed (and I
wounder if the substitution may have worked the other way, and some
point in history). So, this should be easy: Heinlen story, kitten
falling asleep on sleeve, ready set GO."
He was looking for a Heinlein story that referenced that bit, but might
have substituted someone else for Mohammed. Which is exactly what
happened.
He identifies the three elements I searched on himself; I just did the search.
David DeLaney
> Or aren't sure how to pick out the key elements but are aware
>that putting up questions they don't know are good ways to get answers
>and conversations. If we all googled what we didn't know, what would
>there be to talk about besides the Normal Rasfw Cycle Of Topics?
The strange things that turned up during said googling, of course!
Dave "especially with sortasafesearch off" DeLaney
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Robert Carnegie
> He was looking for a Heinlein story that referenced that bit, but might
> have substituted someone else for Mohammed. Which is exactly what
> happened.
>
> He identifies the three elements I searched on himself; I just did the search.
Sure, but who expects to get just relevant results from a Google
search which includes "kitten"? ;-)
Even "kitten" and "Heinlein" falls (apart from this very discussion
being found) flat......
Harri Tavaila
Cant vouch for veracity but a very rapid google search turned up:
"There once was an emperor who awoke from his sleep
to find his male concubine asleep on his sleeve.
He looked at the boy and thought 'Oh how sweet.'
So he cut off his sleeve to prove his love was deep.
From there on gay in Chinese was known as Cut Sleeve"
Source: http://www.cutsleeveboys.com/csb.htm
H Tavaila
Ahasuerus
Yes, it's a version of the story of Ai-ti and Tung Hsien from _Tuan-
hsiu-pien_ (_Records of the Cut Sleeve_), which can be found in Robert
van Gulik's (of the Judge Dee fame) _Sexual Life in Ancient China_ and
elsewhere.
Robert Carnegie
So... some translator thought that "catamite" means "a very small cat"?
Tim McDaniel
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>On May 4, 4:57 pm, Ahasuerus <ahasue...@email.com> wrote:
>> On May 4, 11:40 am, Harri Tavaila <Harri.Tava...@helsinki.fi> wrote:
>> > Cant vouch for veracity but a very rapid google search turned up:
>>
>> > "There once was an emperor who awoke from his sleep
>> > to find his male concubine asleep on his sleeve.
>> > He looked at the boy and thought 'Oh how sweet.'
>> > So he cut off his sleeve to prove his love was deep.
>> > From there on gay in Chinese was known as Cut Sleeve"
>>
>> > Source:http://www.cutsleeveboys.com/csb.htm
>>
>> Yes, it's a version of the story of Ai-ti and Tung Hsien from
>> in Robert van Gulik's (of the Judge Dee fame) _Sexual Life in
>> Ancient China_ and elsewhere.
>
>So... some translator thought that "catamite" means "a very small
>cat"?
*snrk* If so, it makes what happened to "gunsel" look positively tame.
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Walter Bushell
<30307919-bc71-4761...@26g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
and catastrophe means a poem or song about a cat.
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Or a statue of the rear view of a cat...
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Robert Carnegie
> On Thu, 05 May 2011 08:13:26 -0400, Walter Bushell wrote:
> > In article
Or when they walk around holding their tail up in a particular way
that probably should be considered as a punctuation symbol.
Googling "furry question mark" apparently leads to _Lolita_, and I
don't want to inquire further.
Greg Goss
Once you accept that origin for "?", you could probably grab "!" from
the same place. The curl disappears when she's startled.
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