Dilbert: Dave Has Pronouns

[Lynn McGuire]

Dilbert: Dave Has Pronouns
https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-07-25

And here we go …

Lynn

[Mark Jackson]

The Rochester NY /Democrat and Chronicle/ (Gannett) reran a 2020 Dilbert
today, in their online edition at least. (Our actual paper wasn't
delivered this morning.)

--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
Optimism is fine, at least until they start
transporting animals in pairs to Cape Canaveral.
- Frank Stewart

[Tony Nance]

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 5:14:15 PM UTC-4, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 7/25/2022 2:48 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > Dilbert: Dave Has Pronouns
> > https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-07-25
> >
> > And here we go …
> The Rochester NY /Democrat and Chronicle/ (Gannett) reran a 2020 Dilbert
> today, in their online edition at least. (Our actual paper wasn't
> delivered this morning.)
>

Same here - ours reran the strip from 7-18-20.
- Tony

[Alan]

"And here we go…"…

…what?

And why does it matter?

[Dimensional Traveler]

Extreme left politics versus extreme right politics.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

[Ross Presser]

It's one of Scott Adams' many ... well, maybe not a hobby-horse, but definitely a phenomenon he mocks.

[Dave Van Domelen]

In article <tbnpqt$1nv7d$1...@dont-email.me>,

Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 7/25/2022 6:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-07-25 11:48, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> Dilbert: Dave Has Pronouns
>>>     https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-07-25
>>>
>>> And here we go …
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>>
>>
>> "And here we go…"…
>>
>> …what?
>>
>> And why does it matter?
>
>Extreme left politics versus extreme right politics.

Well, extreme right politics versus what the extreme right THINKS is
extreme left politics.

Dave Van Domelen, not gonna read the strip, Adams has proven repeatedly
that he adds nothing of value to the world anymore, and is a net harm.

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

dva...@eyrie.org (Dave Van Domelen) wrote in
news:tbp6kb$nfr$1...@hope.eyrie.org:

> In article <tbnpqt$1nv7d$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 7/25/2022 6:18 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-25 11:48, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> Dilbert: Dave Has Pronouns
>>>>     https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-07-25
>>>>
>>>> And here we go …
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>
>>> "And here we go…"…
>>>
>>> …what?
>>>
>>> And why does it matter?
>>
>>Extreme left politics versus extreme right politics.
>
> Well, extreme right politics versus what the extreme right
> THINKS is
> extreme left politics.

Or what you THINK is extreme right politics versus what you THINK
the right THINKS is extreme left politics.

Except, of course, applying the word THINK to what happens inside
your head ia crime against the English language.

>
> Dave Van Domelen, not gonna read the strip, Adams has
> proven repeatedly
> that he adds nothing of value to the world anymore, and is a net
> harm.
>

You are, of coruse, exactly what Adams is making fun of. And
rightly so.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

In article <tbp6kb$nfr$1...@hope.eyrie.org>,

I'm liking the "Dave" character who is subversive in a different
way than Wally.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

[Lynn McGuire]

Wally is dead weight. Dave gets things done.

Both are very subversive.

Lynn

[J. Clarke]

I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been able to
come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <ftpffhd1nh5k8nq3m...@4ax.com>,

J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been able to
>come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?

(Hal Heydt)
It/that?

Dorothy worked on a story (never got finished, or--at least--not
to her satisfaction; whe was her own harshest critic) that
involved 4 genders. The pronouns were he, she, it and that.
This was *years* before people started picking the pronouns they
wanted applied to themselves. It was nearly as far back as when
she insisted that "Ms." was "Manuscript".

[pete...@gmail.com]

"God Almighty" / "God Almighty"

Pt

[Kevrob]

L Neil Smith's "Their Majesties' Bucketeers" has the
trisexual Lamviin. Surmales are addressed with rhe/rher.

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?664

From 1981.

--
Kevin R

[Stephen Harker]

"pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:37:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

[..]

>> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been able to
>> come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?
>
> "God Almighty" / "God Almighty"

You could always try the purported UK Public service acronyms (from Yes
Minister) of CMG (Call Me God) and GCMG (God Calls Me God).

--
Stephen Harker sjha...@netspace.net.au
was: http://sjharker.customer.netspace.net.au/
now: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjha...@netspace.net.au/
or: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjharker_nbn/

[John W Kennedy]

Back in the 60s, I read “A Voyage to Arcturus”. I had a severe problem
with the section in which the hero has an encounter with a person of
alien gender, because my language center simply refused to recognize
“ae”/“aer”/[objective absent] as a pronoun. I found that the best I
could do was pretend that it was the character's name.

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

[Robert Carnegie]

On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:57:20 UTC+1, Stephen Harker wrote:
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-7, J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:37:00 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> >> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> >> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been able to
> >> come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?
> >
> > "God Almighty" / "God Almighty"
> You could always try the purported UK Public service acronyms (from Yes
> Minister) of CMG (Call Me God) and GCMG (God Calls Me God).

Referring to
<https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George>

"St Michael" is one of God's archangels, so this is
some quite strong naming.

But pretty useless as pronouns, CMG etc. No vowels.

As of this date, I haven't got used to reading singular
"they" - with plural verb - though I don't disagree with
either. But to be selfish, I would rather just see
someone's name each time they is mentioned, instead.
;-)

[Tony Nance]

You could go with a couple interrogative/relative: whoever/whomever
Or you could go with some archaic: ye/thy/thine

Tony

[Quadibloc]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 5:11:24 PM UTC-6, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Saturday, 13 August 2022 at 20:57:20 UTC+1, Stephen Harker wrote:

> > You could always try the purported UK Public service acronyms (from Yes
> > Minister) of CMG (Call Me God) and GCMG (God Calls Me God).

> Referring to
> <https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Order_of_St_Michael_and_St_George>

> "St Michael" is one of God's archangels, so this is
> some quite strong naming.

And, of course, as one might expect, a certain fictional character was given
that honor...

And Googling it caused me to learn that not only was Commander James Bond in the
rank of CMG... but this honor was given to Daniel Craig as well. Perhaps for the same
reason as the OBE awarded to the Beatles - his services to the country's balance of
payments.

John Savard

[Quadibloc]

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 7:28:00 PM UTC-6, Tony Nance wrote:

> Or you could go with some archaic: ye/thy/thine

Surely it's most rude to thee and thou someone without their permission!

John Savard

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On 14 Aug 2022 at 02:27:58 BST, "Tony Nance" <tonyn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Or just he/him, since that's entirely reasonable and not an "ha ha own
the libs" snowflake knee-jerk reaction against the entire concept by an
archaic mindset.

Cheers - Jaimie

--
I hope I live long enough
to vindicate my pessimism
-- http://www.boasas.com/?c=1108

[Tony Nance]

Sure. But when he says " I haven't been able to come up with any
good ones. ", I'm pretty sure that means he doesn't think he/him
are good ones (whatever "good ones" means to him).

Hence, the other suggestions.
- Tony

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On 15 Aug 2022 at 01:49:52 BST, "Tony Nance" <tonyn...@gmail.com>

>> Or just he/him, since that's entirely reasonable and not a "ha ha own

>> the libs" snowflake knee-jerk reaction against the entire concept by an
>> archaic mindset.
>>
>
> Sure. But when he says " I haven't been able to come up with any
> good ones. ", I'm pretty sure that means he doesn't think he/him
> are good ones (whatever "good ones" means to him).
>
> Hence, the other suggestions.
> - Tony

Yeah, but it's Clarke. He's definitely going for an 'own the libs'
thing.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all"
-- Hypatia of Alexandria

[BCFD36]

On 8/13/22 11:05, J. Clarke wrote:
[stuff deleted]

>
> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work.

I am finding this hard to believe.




--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer - Stellar Solutions (Definitely Retired)

[Lynn McGuire]

On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 8/13/22 11:05, J. Clarke wrote:
> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work.
>
> I am finding this hard to believe.

I do not. Especially a California firm in the Mountain View area.

Lynn

[Titus G]

On 16/08/22 10:50, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 8/13/22 11:05, J. Clarke wrote:
> [stuff deleted]
>>
>> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. 
>
> I am finding this hard to believe.
>

Do you believe that pronouns are lazy?

[Jonathan Harston]

Any lazier than amnouns?

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

J. Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ftpffhd1nh5k8nq3m...@4ax.com:

> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been
> able to come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Sexually_Identify_as_an_Attack_Helico
pter

https://tinyurl.com/2xubnuh7

[BCFD36]

Ok, I had no idea. I looked it up and OMG!!! My apologies for doubting
you. My mind is boggled.

Just for reference, mine are the standard pronouns for someone with XY
chromosomes.

[Lynn McGuire]

On 8/16/2022 8:02 PM, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 8/15/22 16:45, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM, BCFD36 wrote:
>>> On 8/13/22 11:05, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>>>
>>>> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work.
>>>
>>> I am finding this hard to believe.
>>
>> I do not.  Especially a California firm in the Mountain View area.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
> Ok, I had no idea. I looked it up and OMG!!! My apologies for doubting
> you. My mind is boggled.
>
> Just for reference, mine are the standard pronouns for someone with XY
> chromosomes.

Dorothy maintained that we are heading towards they / them as universal
pronouns in the next 100 years or so. I suspect that she is correct.

Lynn

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <tdjalq$gmm3$2...@dont-email.me>,

(Hal Heydt)
Sounds plausible to me. Both as something she would have
predicted as well as the prediction itself.

In Graydon Saunders' _Commonweal_ books (which I recommend),
they/them is standard for non-intimate conversations.

[Quinn C]

* BCFD36:

> On 8/15/22 16:45, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 8/15/2022 5:50 PM, BCFD36 wrote:
>>> On 8/13/22 11:05, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>>>
>>>> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work.
>>>
>>> I am finding this hard to believe.
>>
>> I do not.  Especially a California firm in the Mountain View area.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
> Ok, I had no idea. I looked it up and OMG!!! My apologies for doubting
> you. My mind is boggled.
>
> Just for reference, mine are the standard pronouns for someone with XY
> chromosomes.

How would I know your chromosomes? I don't even know mine. It's not a
standard test.

I do know my blood type now, but didn't up to about age 30.

.sig chosen manually, exceptionally
--
If someone has a penis (or we think they have a penis) we use
he/him/his pronouns and treat them like a boy/man. If someone
has a vagina (or we think they have a vagina) we use she/her/
hers pronouns and treat them like a girl/woman.
See what I did there? -- Kyl Myers

[The Horny Goat]

On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 23:22:34 -0400, Quinn C
<lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>How would I know your chromosomes? I don't even know mine. It's not a
>standard test.

I've never had a chromosome test but have 3 children (all of which
have my blood type which is not their mother's type so I'm reasonably
sure) (Plus the fact that my eldest looks like some old pictures of my
mother whereas my son could be a twin of my grade 11 class photo)

You don't normally "know your chromosomes" on a detailed level - just
the results of specific conditions.

>I do know my blood type now, but didn't up to about age 30.

I got my first blood type analysis when my wife became pregnant as we
knew she was Rh negative. And since I tested positive she had the
shots including shortly after the birth of our youngest since while we
didn't plan any more kids accidents DO happen and when the
consequences are as life-changing as they are for Rh disease (that's
not the name but you know what I mean) you don't take any chances.

(I was angry at the doctor since a week after her confirmation of
blood type I went for a general checkup - first since just before we
married - which included a blood test and then had to get a SECOND
blood test specifically for blood type since he failed to check the
'test blood type' box on the first form - doh!)

And forever after got whacked by milady when I told her "I got an A+
on my blood test and YOU got a Zero Minus!"

[Dimensional Traveler]

On 8/19/2022 11:48 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 23:22:34 -0400, Quinn C
> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>
>> How would I know your chromosomes? I don't even know mine. It's not a
>> standard test.
>
> I've never had a chromosome test but have 3 children (all of which
> have my blood type which is not their mother's type so I'm reasonably
> sure) (Plus the fact that my eldest looks like some old pictures of my
> mother whereas my son could be a twin of my grade 11 class photo)
>
> You don't normally "know your chromosomes" on a detailed level - just
> the results of specific conditions.
>

I think in the context the real question is "Are you XX or XY?"


--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

[Robert Carnegie]

On Friday, 19 August 2022 at 19:55:19 UTC+1, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 8/19/2022 11:48 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 23:22:34 -0400, Quinn C
> > <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> >
> >> How would I know your chromosomes? I don't even know mine. It's not a
> >> standard test.
> >
> > I've never had a chromosome test but have 3 children (all of which
> > have my blood type which is not their mother's type so I'm reasonably
> > sure) (Plus the fact that my eldest looks like some old pictures of my
> > mother whereas my son could be a twin of my grade 11 class photo)
> >
> > You don't normally "know your chromosomes" on a detailed level - just
> > the results of specific conditions.
> >
> I think in the context the real question is "Are you XX or XY?"

Real life isn't as simple anyway in every case as that implies,
even for the question of what's attached to your body besides
arms, legs, and head. I think it's a mistake, an understandable
one, to speak of the chromosomes for this purpose; you may
intend to settle a question but really you're ignoring the cases
that you haven't addressed.

[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 20/08/2022 04:55, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 8/19/2022 11:48 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 23:22:34 -0400, Quinn C
>> <lispa...@crommatograph.info> wrote:
>>
>>> How would I know your chromosomes? I don't even know mine. It's not a
>>> standard test.
>>
>> I've never had a chromosome test but have 3 children (all of which
>> have my blood type which is not their mother's type so I'm reasonably
>> sure) (Plus the fact that my eldest looks like some old pictures of my
>> mother whereas my son could be a twin of my grade 11 class photo)
>>
>> You don't normally "know your chromosomes" on a detailed level - just
>> the results of specific conditions.
>>
> I think in the context the real question is "Are you XX or XY?"
>
>

Well, then there's the question of do you have the SRY mutation, and
which gene is it on.

Certainly not as simple as XX or XY, or even XXX, or XYY...

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Dorothy J Heydt]

In article <kulvfhp8705q807n8...@4ax.com>,

(Hal Heydt)
I know, not just the blood type, but the full genotype(?) for
most of my family. I'm B+. Dorothy was O+. Our son is O-, so
he has to be OO--, I have to be BO+- and Dorothy had to have been
OO+-.

Our daughter is B+. Her husband is O- and therefore OO--. Their
son is O-, so OO-- again, making our daughter BO+-.

One of my parents was A+ and the other was B+. Since my
reamianing sister is AB-, both parents had a recessive Rh- gene.

[Thomas Koenig]

J Clarke <jclarke...@gmail.com> schrieb:

> I have been asked to provide pronouns at work. I haven't been able to
> come up with any good ones. Anybody have suggestions?

Just read this (translated).

"Although I was born visible, I identify as trans-parent.
My personal pronouns are who/where".

[Andrew McDowell]

Is it a form of discrimination (if not trans-phobia) for somebody to see you? Does that include witnesses who might testify against you?

[Thomas Koenig]

Andrew McDowell <mcdow...@sky.com> schrieb:

Of course (although it's not really me :-)

Also trans-parent-phobic are all the pictures which have
trans-parent people in them without considering their personal
rights.