Who are the Jenn Aiel?
kstand
contraction of Genuine Aiel. If I am following the story correctly, the Jenn Aiel are
the only group of Aiel who stayed true to the Aes Sedais' original demands: to not
break the Covenant (the Way of the Leaf?) and to transport the ter'angreals etc to a
safe place. Wouldn't that make them the genuine Aiels as opposed to the Tuatha'an and
the Aiel who both failed the Aes Sedai?
Just looking for confirmation or not.
john bollinger
Yes, you have correctly summarized the background of the Aiel and
tuatha'an. Your actual question can be answered differently on different
levels, however. In terms of the books, Jenn is a word from the Old Tongue
which translates as "true," "one true," or "only true." In this sense,
Jenn is not a contraction of anything. On the other hand, you may wonder
how RJ decided to use that particular word for that particular meaning.
The answer to that question might have something to do with your
suggestion. Or it might not.
John Bollinger
jobo...@indiana.edu
Courtenay Footman
Brett D. McLaughlin <bdm%/etc/HOSTNAME> wrote:
>Could be Jenn was just a clan name.
We know what Jenn means.
"And `Aiel.' `Dedicated,' in the Old Tongue. Stronger than that; it
implies an oath written into your bones. I have often wondered what the
Aiel are dedicated to." [...] "And `Jenn Aiel.' `The true dedicated,'
but again stronger. Perhaps `the only true dedicated.' The only true
Aiel?" [Morraine, demonstrating how to win friends and influence
people, <tSR, 23, Beyond the Stone, 270>]
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>
>Yes, you have correctly summarized the background of the Aiel and
>tuatha'an. Your actual question can be answered differently on different
>levels, however. In terms of the books, Jenn is a word from the Old Tongue
>which translates as "true," "one true," or "only true." In this sense,
>Jenn is not a contraction of anything. On the other hand, you may wonder
>how RJ decided to use that particular word for that particular meaning.
>The answer to that question might have something to do with your
>suggestion. Or it might not.
>
>
>John Bollinger
>jobo...@indiana.edu
And why did he use a new name for them, why not keep da'shain (sp) instead
of jenn.
JM
john bollinger
Jan-Magnus Jansson <al....@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
>
>And why did he use a new name for them, why not keep da'shain (sp) instead
>of jenn.
Aiel was short for Da'shain Aiel in the AoL. There is no indication of
there being any other kind of Aiel. The full name means something like
"those dedicated to peace."
The first of the Aiel to break the Way of the Leaf, generations later,
insisted afterwards that they were still Aiel, even after being banished
from the wagons. This appears to demonstrate some degree of ignorance
about the name.
When a significant number of spear-wielding "Aiel" had accumulated, the
wagon-riding Aiel took to calling themselves the "Jenn Aiel," or just the
"Jenn," to indicate that they still followed the Way of the Leaf, and thus
were the only true Aiel. They could as well have said "Jenn Da'shain
Aiel," but it rolls off the tongue more easilly in the shorter form.
The name changed because the people changed and the culture changed.
John Bollinger
jobo...@indiana.edu
Julie Kangas
>In article <4i263u$p...@mn5.swip.net>,
>Jan-Magnus Jansson <al....@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
>>>which translates as "true," "one true," or "only true." In this sense,
>>
>>of jenn.
>
> fellow shouted back, "but it is true. We are the
> only true Aiel. You have given up the Way."
>
> -tSR, The Road to the Spear
I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
need their knowledge in order to survive. He will start
a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
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Jan-Magnus Jansson <al....@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote:
>In article <4h1uhc$7...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jobo...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu says...
>>
>>levels, however. In terms of the books, Jenn is a word from the Old Tongue
>>which translates as "true," "one true," or "only true." In this sense,
>
>And why did he use a new name for them, why not keep da'shain (sp) instead
>of jenn.
"You name us that to mock us," a tall, sharp-nosed
fellow shouted back, "but it is true. We are the
only true Aiel. You have given up the Way."
-tSR, The Road to the Spear
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David Batty
Julie Kangas <ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>need their knowledge in order to survive. He will start
>a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
Sort of like a Quest for Fire?
I must be missing the subtle troll clue in the above.
I was under the impression that the Jenn Aiel had died out.
There last efforts were directed toward building Rhuidean and guiding the
rest of the Aiel toward the time that Rand would need both the *angreal
in Rhuidean and the Aiel as a unified nation.
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Andrea Lynn Leistra
>I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>need their knowledge in order to survive. He will start
>a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
>
>Julie "None of those fizzy keg Aiel either!"
Isn't it obvious?
They're in the tavern that the Nym are running over in Shara.
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'ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)' wrote:
>I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>need their knowledge in order to survive. He will start
>a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
cast out from Aiel land, I mean they DO share the almost exact same
theory on violence & Timers seem to travel in wagon as if they are still
carrying out the original order of AS.
Anyway, there are lot of emphesis on singing from the Original Aiel,
The modern Aiel & Modern Tinkers, as well as Oger. And they hint that
Original Aiel & Modern Oger "Channel"? thru their Singing. Exactly what
IS their singing, and what is their signeficance to Rand?
Steve Schiller
>
>In article <4i9ihh$3...@netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov>,
>Julie Kangas <ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
>>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>>need their knowledge in order to survive.
> I was under the impression that the Jenn Aiel had died out.
>There last efforts were directed toward building Rhuidean and guiding the
>rest of the Aiel toward the time that Rand would need both the *angreal
>in Rhuidean and the Aiel as a unified nation.
>
IMO, it seems that both the tinkers and the Aiel consider the other group
'lost' because the former gave up the task the AS set them to, and the latter
gave up the way of the leaf, then later the task. (The sin against the AS)
What made the Jenn Aiel the Jenn Aiel is the fact that they gave up neither
the way of the leaf nor the guarding of Rhuidean's treasure. Ergo, if there
are no Jenn Aiel guarding Rhuidean, there are no Jenn Aeil. (Not to mention
that they are spoken of, respectfully, as 'the clan that is not'.)
Nico
Pol
Kim Sukhoon <lt...@nyc.pipeline.com> wrote about Re: Who are the Jenn Aiel?
KS> On Mar 14, 1996 16:46:41 in article <Re: Who are the Jenn Aiel?>,
KS> 'ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)' wrote:
KS>
KS>
>>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>>a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
KS> I though that the "Tinkers" was the Jenn Aiel who been sorta
KS> cast out from Aiel land, I mean they DO share the almost exact same
KS> theory on violence & Timers seem to travel in wagon as if they are
KS> still carrying out the original order of AS.
ISTM that the tinkers are an offshoot from the Aiel. When Rand sees through
the eyes of Adan, there is a conversation with someone called Sulwin.
" Some of us will, Adan". The others behind Sulwin nodded. "We mean to find
that safe place. And the songs too. We will"
After some of the wagons gave started to be cleaned.
Adan made his fists loosen again. "You are not Aiel" he said. "You betray
everything. Whatever you are, you are no longer Aiel!"
"We keep the Way of the Leaf as well as you, Adan."
"Go!" Adan shouted. "Go! You are not Aiel! You are lost! Lost! I do not want
to look at you!"
This seems to be where the Tinkers break away and also possibly why the Aiel
refer to the Tinkers as the lost. Also when Perrin was taken to the Tinkers,
Ila frowns at the Warders sword and seemed to find it worse than Perrins
axe.
It seems to me that Adan's son Lewin was one of the first Aiel to actually
use a weapon and was probably one of the forefathers of the modern armed
Aiel.
Pol
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Julie Kangas
>On Mar 14, 1996 16:46:41 in article <Re: Who are the Jenn Aiel?>,
>
>
>>I think, in a couple of books, Rand will *have* to find the
>>Jenn Aiel. I think they are hidden somewhere and Rand will
>>need their knowledge in order to survive. He will start
>>a quest, a Campaign if you will, for Real Aiel.
>
Wagons....sounds like fizzy keg Aiel to me.
CAMRA (Campaign for Real Aiel) wouldn't like that.
>
>Anyway, there are lot of emphesis on singing from the Original Aiel,
>The modern Aiel & Modern Tinkers, as well as Oger. And they hint that
>Original Aiel & Modern Oger "Channel"? thru their Singing. Exactly what
>IS their singing, and what is their signeficance to Rand?
"99 bottles of Aiel on the wall
99 bottles of Aiel,
take one down, pass it around,
98 bottles of Aiel on the wall....."
[Do as I do: pronounce "Aiel" as "ale".]
Julie "Will make obscure references for beer"
Kim Sukhoon
'P...@stormbringer.compulink.co.uk (Pol)' wrote:
>"Go!" Adan shouted. "Go! You are not Aiel! You are lost! Lost! I do not
want
>to look at you!"
>
>This seems to be where the Tinkers break away and also possibly why the
Aiel
>refer to the Tinkers as the lost
So Tinkers COULD be the genuine original Aiel who's gonna help rand with
mumbo jumbo with Ogri toward the end?, Like growing a new Tree of life
inside the ways?
And was there a passage in the series which compare the Tinker's
apperance with Aiel?
Lance
Bulldog
of violence.
The Tinkers left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on
keeping their hair short as a sign of seperation from society (dedication
to service) <i.e. The Nazarites in Jewish custom>.
Therefore unless they have died off there is still a third branch of the
Aiel yet to be discovered. Since there are still three cultures (we know
of) that have yet to be discussed in the series (The Seanchan, The Sea
Folk, The Lands beyond the Aiel Waste) it is safe to assume that the
answers lie in one of these places. (Yeah, right. Like anything in
fiction is safe.)
Sauer, Alan Lewis
: The Aiel left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on the use
: of violence.
"Difference of opinion." Yeah, you could say that.
: The Tinkers left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on
: keeping their hair short as a sign of seperation from society (dedication
: to service) <i.e. The Nazarites in Jewish custom>.
Pardon, but I was under the impression that the Tinkers left the Aiel
(no Jenn at that time) because they didn't want to continue with the
task the AoL AS had set them (bring these *angreals to safety.) The hair
was, if an issue at all, a very minor one.
: Therefore unless they have died off there is still a third branch of the
: Aiel yet to be discovered.
Which? The Tinkers we know about. The Aiel we know about. The Jenn
are implied to have died out:
"Our days dwindle," Mordaine said. "A day will come when the
Jenn are no more, and only you will remain to remember the Aiel.
You must remain, or all is for nothing, and lost."
(tSR, ch. 25 "The Road to the Spear")
Okay, more than implied. So what Aiel are you talking about?
: (Yeah, right. Like anything in
: fiction is safe.)
In most series, the victory of Good over Evil is a pretty safe bet.
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Bulldog <bul...@e-tex.com> wrote about Re: Who are the Jenn Aiel?
B> Therefore unless they have died off there is still a third branch of
B> the Aiel yet to be discovered. Since there are still three cultures
B> (we know of) that have yet to be discussed in the series (The Seanchan,
B> The Sea Folk, The Lands beyond the Aiel Waste) it is safe to assume
B> that the answers lie in one of these places. (Yeah, right. Like
B> anything in fiction is safe.)
The Jenn Aiel died off in Rhuidean, but this doesn't really mean that they
were the only Jenn, other Jenn could have gone further across the waist.
Perhaps some of the aiel got cut off on the place that the Seanchen come
from.
Pol
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Pol
Sauer, Alan Lewis <ALS...@tiny.computing.csbsju.edu> wrote about Re: Who are the Jenn Aiel?
SAL> Bulldog (bul...@e-tex.com) wrote:
SAL>: The Tinkers left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on
SAL>: keeping their hair short as a sign of seperation from society
SAL>: (dedication to service) <i.e. The Nazarites in Jewish custom>.
SAL> Pardon, but I was under the impression that the Tinkers left the Aiel
SAL> (no Jenn at that time) because they didn't want to continue with the
SAL> task the AoL AS had set them (bring these *angreals to safety.) The
SAL> hair was, if an issue at all, a very minor one.
That was the opinion I was under aswell. As we saw through Rands eyes, some
of the Aiel wanted to find a safe place and the song. The Aiel who didn't
told them that they were lost.
Pol
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Tom Sorensen
> And was there a passage in the series which compare the Tinker's
>apperance with Aiel?
Not that I remember. I believe Tinkers are described as being pretty
average for RandLand (i.e. - not Aielish). This wouldn't be too
surprising, given the way that Tinkers seem to convince locals to join
with them, and that red hair is a recessive gene.
The Tinkers are an offshoot of the Aiel who gave up the *angreal. The
Aiel as we now know them gave up the Way of the Leaf to protect their
own. The Jenn Aiel gave up neither and are now gone as noted in TSR
(see another poster for the exact quote).
I suspect there were more than one kind of Aiel in the beginning, with
the group that survived having been known to serve the Dragon and
other Aes Sedai. Nothing specific to confirm this, besides the fact
that they were known as Da'shain Aiel (Dedicated to the Dragon), which
indicates to me that there were other groups dedicated to other
things.
Other babble... has it been mentioned anywhere what Lanfear's real
name is? Either Mieren or Zorelle, since those were the two Aes Sedai
Charn served. Mieren was the one who opened the seal on the DO's
prison in the AoL.
Rajendra Ramsaroop - MHNG/W95
: The Aiel left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on the use
: of violence.
: The Tinkers left the Jenn Aiel because of a difference of opinion on
: Aiel yet to be discovered. Since there are still three cultures (we know
: of) that have yet to be discussed in the series (The Seanchan, The Sea
: Folk, The Lands beyond the Aiel Waste) it is safe to assume that the
: answers lie in one of these places. (Yeah, right. Like anything in
: fiction is safe.)
Weren't the Jenn All killed off , in the chapter The road to the Spear in
the Shadow rising it says "Our days Dwindle, A day will come theat the
Jenn are no more and only you will remember the Aeil. The implecation
that I got was that the Jenn were looking at their own doom.
Sheldon Jolson
>were the only Jenn, other Jenn could have gone further across the waist.
>Perhaps some of the aiel got cut off on the place that the Seanchen come
>from.
Aiel in the "waist?" Is that anything like a beer belly?...:)
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>lt...@nyc.pipeline.com (Kim Sukhoon) wrote:
[Some correct stuff munched]
>I suspect there were more than one kind of Aiel in the beginning, with
>the group that survived having been known to serve the Dragon and
>other Aes Sedai. Nothing specific to confirm this, besides the fact
>that they were known as Da'shain Aiel (Dedicated to the Dragon), which
>indicates to me that there were other groups dedicated to other
>things.
You misinterpret the phrase "Da'shain Aiel." Aiel means something like
"dedicated," but there is no reason to think that "Da'Shain" has anything
to do with the Dragon. Rather, "Da'shain" is something like "peace" or
"non-violence." Compare to "gai'shain": "those sworn to peace in battle."
Thus "Da'shain Aiel" is "those dedicated to peace."
We find in TSR that some in the AoL believed that the Aiel served the Dragon
particularly, even though they really served all Aes Sedai. This probably
indicates a general ignorance of Aes Sedai internal workings on the part
of the general populace at that time. We do not, however, find any
indication at all of any other groups of "Aiel" dedicated to other
things. Indeed, even in the AoL, the term "Aiel" was used as a short form
of "Da'shain Aiel," which tells me that the Da'shain were the only Aiel.
>Other babble... has it been mentioned anywhere what Lanfear's real
>name is? Either Mieren or Zorelle, since those were the two Aes Sedai
>Charn served. Mieren was the one who opened the seal on the DO's
>prison in the AoL.
It was Mierin. If her opening of the Bore is not sufficient evidence for
you, the Rand calls Lanfear by that name later on (presumably under LTT's
influence).
John Bollinger
jobo...@indiana.edu
Sauer, Alan Lewis
: In article <891.6652...@stormbringer.compulink.co.uk>,
: >were the only Jenn, other Jenn could have gone further across the waist.
: >Perhaps some of the aiel got cut off on the place that the Seanchen come
: >from.
: Aiel in the "waist?" Is that anything like a beer belly?...:)
Given what we know of Aiel, probably an ulcer or two, and a _really_
upset stomach.
Kim Sukhoon
'ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)' wrote:
>"99 bottles of Aiel on the wall
>99 bottles of Aiel,
>take one down, pass it around,
>98 bottles of Aiel on the wall....."
>
>[Do as I do: pronounce "Aiel" as "ale".]
>
>
>Julie "Will make obscure references for beer"
>Barracuda Sister, Most Arrogant Fish on the Net
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drink, and it stand to reason some WOULD get drunk. Wonder what would be
their favorit drink.
Lance
john bollinger
Pol <P...@stormbringer.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The Jenn Aiel died off in Rhuidean, but this doesn't really mean that they
>were the only Jenn, other Jenn could have gone further across the waist.
>Perhaps some of the aiel got cut off on the place that the Seanchen come
>from.
I think you are grasping at straws. I can't _prove_ that no Jenn went on
across the Waste, but it would be uncharacteristic. Their entire purpose
was to find a place for the *angreal, and protect them until the Aes Sedai
came for them. The place they found (and founded) was Rhuidean. I would
therefore argue that any Jenn who went on from there would have thereby
abandoned their appointed task and ceased being Jenn Aiel, exactly like the
Tinkers.
John Bollinger
jobo...@indiana.edu
Michael D. Steeves
= "99 bottles of Aiel on the wall
= 99 bottles of Aiel,
= take one down, pass it around,
= 98 bottles of Aiel on the wall....."
*hic*
Ahm t'drunk t' cont*hic*...cont*hic*...g'wan.
*bhelch*
*thud*
-drunkelf
"Ah'll have a Black Russian."
"What was that?"
"Ah'll have a Black Russian."
"We don't have those, sir."
"They didn't at the Olympics, either!"
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Mark Loy
(Michael D. Steeves) wrote:
> ju...@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) wrote:
> = "99 bottles of Aiel on the wall
> = 99 bottles of Aiel,
> = take one down, pass it around,
> = 98 bottles of Aiel on the wall....."
>
> *hic*
>
> Ahm t'drunk t' cont*hic*...cont*hic*...g'wan.
>
> *bhelch*
>
> *thud*
The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
Aieloholics Anonymous (AA)
'grrrr...' E Bianco
Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
>
>
>
>Aieloholics Anonymous (AA)
A twelve step program to waking from the dream...
Stephen Wilhelm
> >were the only Jenn, other Jenn could have gone further across the waist.
> >Perhaps some of the aiel got cut off on the place that the Seanchen come
> >from.
Aha! So it is a whole clan of fat Aiel! Now why didn't I think of that :)
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Michael D. Steeves
'grrrr...' E Bianco <mcau...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
= Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
= >The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
=
= Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
lizard count?
-darkelf
Howsabout pus? Open sores? Needle tracks?
'grrrr...' E Bianco
Michael D. Steeves <mste...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
>In article <4j2tt9$7...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>'grrrr...' E Bianco <mcau...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>= Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
>= >The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
>=
>= Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
>
>Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
>lizard count?
>
>-darkelf
[wide-eyed innocence]
Lizards need draining? Can't the critters do it themselves?
Where exactly does it itch and burn when you drain your lizard?
bi...@woods.uml.edu
> In article <4j8ar6$9...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,> = Michael D. Steeves <mste...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
> = >Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
> = >lizard count?
> = Lizards need draining? Can't the critters do it themselves?
> = Where exactly does it itch and burn when you drain your lizard?
> It's like a badger, or nevermind.
> Except it has scaly skin.
> HTH!
> -darkelf
Y'know, you can get lotion for that sort of thing...
HTH
-Harris
Michael D. Steeves
'grrrr...' E Bianco <mcau...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
= Michael D. Steeves <mste...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
= >Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
= >lizard count?
=
= Lizards need draining? Can't the critters do it themselves?
= Where exactly does it itch and burn when you drain your lizard?
It's like a badger, or nevermind.
Except it has scaly skin.
HTH!
-darkelf
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>
>In article <4j6q0d$h...@ulowell.uml.edu>,>>In article <4j2tt9$7...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
>>= >The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
>>=
>>= Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
>>
>>
>>-darkelf
>[blink]
>[wide-eyed innocence]
>
>
Maybe he's not doing it right.
:-) Lara
Paul
Yeah, the books make repeated mention of Oosquai , which is the
only form of alcohol they seem to drink until they came out of the
three-fold land. And drunk Aiel who were being taught "Jac o' the
Shadows" are mentioned in TFoH. I guess Oosquai is their favorite drink,
or mebbe the Aiel are even more firmly behind Rand because they get to
travel all of Randland sampling various intoxicating beverages. "The
Forces of light. It's not just a job...It's a sad excuse to get wasted
after every battle." That would do better at recruiting than a thousand
renditions of "Jac O' the Shadows." Mebbe the Band of the Hand ought to
try it.
HTH
.EM
Mark Loy
(Michael D. Steeves) wrote:
> In article <4j2tt9$7...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
> 'grrrr...' E Bianco <mcau...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> = Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
> = >The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
> =
> = Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
>
> Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
> lizard count?
Check.
> Howsabout pus?
Check.
> Open sores?
Check.
> Needle tracks?
Check.
Hmm...let's tabulate the results.
Yep.
It looks like we've found our poster boy.
The International Society of Purulence and Rot
Mark Loy
> In article <4j6q0d$h...@ulowell.uml.edu>,
> Michael D. Steeves <mste...@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
> >In article <4j2tt9$7...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
> >'grrrr...' E Bianco <mcau...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >= Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
> >= >The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem.
> >= Actually, silly, the _first_ step is to have a problem.
> >
> >Does an itching, burning sensation every time I drain the
> >lizard count?
> [blink]
> [wide-eyed innocence]
>
> Lizards need draining? Can't the critters do it themselves?
> Where exactly does it itch and burn when you drain your lizard?
I can't speak specifically for Darkelf, but I can speak for literally
millions of lizard handlers, world-wide.
Sure the cold blooded bastards need draining...and they need regular
excercise...and a routine schedule of oral examinations...and have specific
dietary requirements--they are mostly nocturnal feeders and prefer hot,
dark, and moist environments for proper digestion. Being a woman of the
female persuasion and only allowed visitation rights to lizardkind you
can't possibly understand the intricate care and feeding requirements they
have.
As far as doing the draining themselves...I can only say that no self
respecting lizard caretaker would _ever_ allow his lizard out without
direct physical restraint. Sometimes you need two hands...at least *I*
do...cause they can get real ornery and will strain and pull at the bit
like nothing you ever saw. When "Gorgon"--my lizard--really gets excited
and starts chomping and tugging at the reins...well, let's just say that it
is sometimes all I can do to keep him from erupting all over the place so
prodigiously as to inspire awe.
Of course Darkelf was right. Very rarely, but it does happen, a lizard
will encounter something in its nightly carousing that will lead to it
become purulent. This will require a trip to a discreet medical facility
specializing in _Ailments de la Saurus_ But thankfully this condition is
not life-threatening...although it will cause your lizard a great deal of
pain and humiliation. There are far worse ailments that can befall a
gregarious lizard on the prowl. For this reason, many handlers, including
myself, strongly encourage their lizard to wear protective outer garments
whenever they venture out into unknown waters.
So there you have it.
If you require further information on the facinating world of lizard care
and handling I suggest the following reading:
"Building a Lap Lizard Habitat" by Dr. James Dandy
"The Lizard Wizard" by Dr. T. Rex Biggun
"Lizard Drainage Made Easy" by Dr. Richard Small
"How to Handle a Hungry Lizard" by Sharon Stone
"And Then What Happened? The Lizard's Night Out" by Charles Woolery
"Pungent, Puss-filled, and Pernicious" by Dr. Sid Phylis
"You Don't Really Blow...a Guide to Oral Examination" Phil Aschio
"Godzilla!" Dr. Wank Mi Chan
And if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me.
I'm sure I could arrange some hands on training for you so you can really
get to know the power and grace these magnificent creatures possess.
Hey, what can I say. I'm always willing to help a woman in need.
ML
Michael D. Steeves
= mste...@jupiter.cs.uml.edu (Michael D. Steeves) writes:
= > = Where exactly does it itch and burn when you drain your lizard?
= > It's like a badger, or nevermind.
= > Except it has scaly skin.
= Y'know, you can get lotion for that sort of thing...
I know your RD, little man, so don't push me....
= HTH
Indeed.
-darkelf
"Drink this...it's medicinal."
Michael D. Steeves
Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
= Hmm...let's tabulate the results.
=
= Yep.
=
= It looks like we've found our poster boy.
=
= The International Society of Purulence and Rot
Wow.... I don't really know what to say. I would like to thank
the Cabal, but since they don't exist it makes it something of a moot
point. *audience chuckles* I'd like to recognize my fellow finalists,
who all had tremendous entries as well...Chad "Does this look infected?"
Orzel, Bill "Projectile Pus on demand!" Garrett, and Julie "Squeeze
this...." Kangas. I'm sure the selection committee had a very
difficult time making this decision.
I'd also like to thank my friends and family for being so supportive
over the years. I never could have done this without them.
Thank you again!
-PurulenceAndRotElf
Kim Sukhoon
<p...@hiwaay.net>' wrote:
> Yeah, the books make repeated mention of Oosquai , which is the
>only form of alcohol they seem to drink until they came out of the
>three-fold land. And drunk Aiel who were being taught "Jac o' the
>Shadows" are mentioned in TFoH. I guess Oosquai is their favorite drink,
>or mebbe the Aiel are even more firmly behind Rand because they get to
>travel all of Randland sampling various intoxicating beverages. "The
>Forces of light. It's not just a job...It's a sad excuse to get wasted
>after every battle." That would do better at recruiting than a thousand
>renditions of "Jac O' the Shadows." Mebbe the Band of the Hand ought to
>try it.
>
>HTH
>
>.EM
Oosquai & Whisky
Drunken Aiel from Waste & Aiel getting Wasted
I'd hate to continue this line of deadly rediculous pun before we get
barred brom this group for being corny enough to kill.
Lance
(have mercy and don't reply. Don't let me carry this on I beg you.!)
Mark Loy
(Michael D. Steeves) wrote:
> In article <mloy-270...@134.68.134.43>,
> Mark Loy <ml...@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
> = Hmm...let's tabulate the results.
> =
> = Yep.
> =
> = It looks like we've found our poster boy.
> =
> = The International Society of Purulence and Rot
>
> Wow.... I don't really know what to say. I would like to thank
> the Cabal, but since they don't exist it makes it something of a moot
> point. *audience chuckles* I'd like to recognize my fellow finalists,
> who all had tremendous entries as well...Chad "Does this look infected?"
> Orzel, Bill "Projectile Pus on demand!" Garrett, and Julie "Squeeze
> this...." Kangas. I'm sure the selection committee had a very
> difficult time making this decision.
>
> I'd also like to thank my friends and family for being so supportive
> over the years. I never could have done this without them.
> Thank you again!
>
<Huge applause...standing ovation as he is escorted off the dais by an
extremely lovely and buxom brunette>
<noise slowly decreases...the Master of Ceremonies, Whoopi Goldburgh,
returns to the podium...silence>
"It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. And as soon as we
hose off the stage and disinfect...<audience roars with laughter>...we'll
continue with our next category."
<Ms. Goldburgh turns to the beautiful woman who led the winner off stage>
"You didn't actually touch him, did you?...<audience chuckles>...'cause if
you did, you might want to give serious thought to bathing in penicillin
for a few years..."
<audience laughs with total abandon>
"...cause that's why I'm standing way the Hell over here with rubber gloves
on, an air filter mask...Jeez, I'm even wearing a condom."
<audience screams with pure unadulterated glee>
"These days, a girl can't be _too_ careful...<audience laughs even
harder>...We'll be right back."
<applause>
<fade to commercial>
ML