Davram Bashere is a darkfriend
Werner Mahalek
anybody else around who thinks that Davram Bashere is a darkfriend?
It always bothered me why Bashere linked himself (and his army) with
Rand.
Besides I had the impression that Sammael knew about the real plan
to attack Illian and there were only 3 people who knew about this.
Rand, Mat and Bashere...
Yesterday, while rereading ACoS I stumbled over Sammael mumbling
the word "betrayal" in front of Carridin (ACoS, Insects), this after
he learns that Mat is in Ebou Dar and not on his way to that big
hammer of an army on the plains of Maredo. When Carridin says that
he would never betray ... Sammael answers something like "Not you,
fool". I got the impression he was thinking of Bashere who didn't
tell him the truth about the real plan.
bye,
renrew
Douglas Zare
Werner Mahalek <Werner....@ovsag.de> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> anybody else around who thinks that Davram Bashere is a darkfriend?
Well, I would vote against it. Darkfriends tend to have bad personal
relationships with underlings and no family members we know about. Although
she has not been very active recently, I have had my suspicions about Bela.
She seems to know too much and be in the right places--nah.
Douglas Zare
Forsaken
Douglas Zare wrote:
I was re-reading the series again and came upon Rand and Bashere's first
meeting, FoH pgs 679-681, and I must say....Bashere acts very different from
anyone else who meets Rand and knows who he is. The way he speaks to Rand and
doesn't really react to anything the way the others around him do is a bit
strange. By itself I would never have thought anything of it but the during
that first meeting Bashere tells Rand he is hunting Taim and that he thinks he
is in the Andor..He seems to know Rand killed Rahvin, and is pretty much
undisturbed when Rand tells him about the amnesty and that Taim is off limits.
Then, in the very next paragraph Asmo gets killed. Is it possible, that Bashere
could be Dem, and that Taim is his proxy and the killer of Asmo?
Before the flames start I do understand that he seems to have many longtime
friends and family that recognize and remember him so the theory already has
huge flaws/gaps in it....but I read and re-read that passage and just couldn't
shake that thought that something is up with Bashere...
Anyway, just a strange thought that probably is way off...but I couldn't resist
putting it up here...if for no other reason that someone will show me how it is
not possible and I can forget about it.
MR
Tim Bruening
Douglas Zare wrote:
How can a horse be a Darkfriend? I thought that the Darkfriend Club was only
open to sentient beings (humans, Trollocs, Fades, etc.).
Tim Bruening
Forsaken wrote:
Perhaps Demandred squeezed the real Bashere dry a la Semirhage and replaced him.
Gary Greenbaum
Tim Bruening wrote:
I would point out to you that Bela is at least as intelligent as many of the
alleged
"sentient beings" we have encountered in this series. For the proof that Bela is
a Darkfriend, I refer you to deja.com and the many posts on the subject.
Incidently, Fades and Trollocs are not Darkfriends. They are Shadowspawn.
Gary Greenbaum
jamie
>Perhaps Demandred squeezed the real Bashere dry a la Semirhage and
>replaced him.
Don't you think his wife and daughter might have noticed that?
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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>
> Douglas Zare wrote:
> > I have had my suspicions about Bela.
> > She seems to know too much and be in the right places--nah.
>
> How can a horse be a Darkfriend? I thought that the Darkfriend Club was
only
> open to sentient beings (humans, Trollocs, Fades, etc.).
>
(Trying my newsreader's auto-line-length option.
Apologies if it doesn't perform as desired.)
I've always felt the evidence better supports the theory that Bela is the
Creator, rather than the Dark One. Whay would the Dark One need to send
Fain to seek out Rand if she's already living in Rand's dad's barn?
Rather, Bela has been watching over Rand from the moment he was old enough
to accidentally reveal himself, protecting him from doing so too early. She
prompted Egwene to travel with Moiraine and the boys, to give Rand double
incentive to break through to saidin. "Oh Light! I can't let Egwene fall
behind--and worse, what do I tell Dad if I wreck the horse?"
Remember also that Bela has been nearby _every_ time we've heard the voice
of the Creator, yet she has never been present when we've heard the voice of
the Dark One.
Once Rand was irretrievably set on the path of the Dragon Reborn, Bela
turned her attention fully to Egwene, who is destined to bring all the
female channelers to Rand's cause (though clearly not in the manner that
either she or Rand expects). Bela saw Egwene through her damane experience,
and was clearly the catalyst for Egeanin's conversion to the cause.
Now that Egwene is irretrievably set on her path, Bela has adopted Siuan,
since she needs Siuan to teach Egwene all the subtleties of being Amyrlin.
Mark my words--when Siuan is either no longer necessary, or irretrievably
set upon the desired path, Bela^H^H^H^Hthe Creator will move on to guiding
the next most important facet of Her plan.
George.
The Great Gray Skwid
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >Perhaps Demandred squeezed the real Bashere dry a la Semirhage and
> >replaced him.
> Don't you think his wife and daughter might have noticed that?
Of course not.
Haven't you seen Face Off?
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Kent Perrier
Well, we all know that Bela is the president of the local DFC....
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Bryan Ecker
>How can a horse be a Darkfriend? I thought that the Darkfriend Club was
>only open to sentient beings (humans, Trollocs, Fades, etc.).
I'm pretty sure that horses qualify as sentient beings.
Furthermore we have pictures:
http://www.us.hsanet.net/user/ecker/Interests/Books/Robert_Jordan/belafade.jpg
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MNCollinsworth
but if we have learned anything it is "trust no one." First of all, remember
Ingtar? Unless i am a bigger fool than i thought i had no clue he was a dark
friend until heTOLD Rand before running off to his death (book 2 chap.46 To
Come out of the shadow) Second of all, I think it is concivable he could keep
it from his wife. (asuming she isnt a dark friend as well) If Ingtar could pull
it off to his family so to could Bashere.
and to its discredit, i dont think Bashere acted strangely when he first met
Rand, he is not a man to wear his heart on his sleave. its not odd that he
didnt cry and pound his fists that Rand wouldnt give him Taim. You dont throw
fits and tell the Dragon what needs to be done. He's a boarderman, if he
believed Rand was the dragon, he would follow Taim is nothing compared to his
nations fight with the shadow.
Drew Haaland
Of course -- Bela's just laying low for a while. They don't call
her "The Spider" for nothing.
`Drew
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Gary Greenbaum
Drew Haaland wrote:
And that raises a heck of a good question--where is Bela's family,
and why is it that a nice girl like her isn't mated? No kids, no parents?
Strong suspicion is that she has betrayed her family to the DO.
Let's see what happens when Bela finds a nice stallion among those
with the SAS. Maybe Gareth Bryne's horse, Traveller . . . will
she betray him to the DO?
Gary Greenbaum
Amir Noam
For some reason I have this mental image of the last scene:
Rand and co. are celebrating after winning against the DO, and then we
get a Bela POV thinking: "I win again, Lews Therin".
Amir
Greg McConnell
Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Perhaps Demandred squeezed the real Bashere dry a la Semirhage and
replaced him.
I seem to recall a brief Bashere POV in Path of Daggers. If he were
truly Demandred, or anyone other than Bashere, he wouldn't be thinking
of himself as "Bashere".
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