tGS Chapter 23 (spoilers)
Rast
Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
Leave aside the idiocy of not stilling Semirhage immediately, even though
she could be healed again at any time. Ignore also the stupidity of not
using an a'dam to hold her. And, don't think too hard about the problem
with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
Later, when he shows Narshima how to use BF, "a bar of brilliant white
fire shot from between his fingers and struck his coat, which lay on the
floor. It vanished in a burst of light." It has been previously
established that BF on non-living objects simply carves holes in them.
Oh well.
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davidl303
> How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
>
the bruises were caused by Rand i would assume the only way they would
be gone is if he was BF'ed
I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
& friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )
Also another error in the book when Mat heads into the loopy town he
assigns 3 redarms to guard the Aes Sedai and 2 stay with him when he
goes off to gamble. When they meet up later the 3 redarm guards are
never mentioned again.
oh and definately think Asmo was killed by Lanfear.
Scott Lurndal
>
>> How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage? =
>=A0
>> Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her? =A0
>>
>
>the bruises were caused by Rand i would assume the only way they would
>be gone is if he was BF'ed
>
>I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
>point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
>& friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
>remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
>and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )
>
>Also another error in the book when Mat heads into the loopy town he
>assigns 3 redarms to guard the Aes Sedai and 2 stay with him when he
>goes off to gamble. When they meet up later the 3 redarm guards are
>never mentioned again.
>
>oh and definately think Asmo was killed by Lanfear.
Or maybe by Verin?
Kathcarian
Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<MPG.255972863...@news.eternal-september.org>...
>
>
> Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
>
>
> How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
Not enough balefire was used to rewind the clock on that action that far.
He was strangling her one handed for at least a minute and a half, probably
more, before he snaps. Even after he snaps and breaks free there are
several seconds between his using the TP and when he blasts Semirhage with
BF. A small bar of BF smaller than his hand.
> Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
> enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
Not so looney. LTT adds Min to the list for a reason.
maj
The most likely killer of Asmodean would have to be Sammael.
F.O.H. c22 p365
[Rand talks with Asmodean after the raid at Taien, Jangai Pass)
"From what you've told me, he is not likely to want to face me unless
he is sure of victory, and maybe not then.
You said he'd likely leave me to the Dark One, if he could. So why is
he sure he'll win now, if I decide to go after him?"
F.O.H. c34 p500
[Nynaeve & Birgitte spy on Moghedien & Forsaken in Tel'aran'rhoid]
". .. never been a coward," a plumply pretty, sun-haired woman
(Graendal) was saying, "so why begin?"
A compact man of middling height, with a livid scar across his face
and a square golden beard, (Sammael) says
"No one names me coward," he said harshly. "But if we continue as we
are, he will come straight for my throat."
[This is what he fears, that Rand will be too strong. p365]
"That has been the plan from the beginning," said a woman's melodious
voice. (Lanfear)
The second man was large and darkly handsome, with white wings
streaking his temples [Rahvin]. "He will
concentrate on you," the big man said in a deep voice. "If need be,
one close to him will die, plainly at your order.
He will come for you. And while he is fixed on you alone, the three of
us, linked, will take him.
What has changed to alter any of that?"
"Nothing has changed," the scarred man growled. "Least of all, my
trust for you. I will be part of the link, or it ends now."
The golden-haired woman threw back her head and laughed. "Poor man,"
she said mockingly, waving a beringed hand at him.
"Do you think he would not notice that you were linked? He has a
teacher, remember. A poor one, but not a complete fool.
Next you will ask to include enough of those Black Ajah children to
take the circle beyond thirteen, so you or Rahvin
must have control."
"If Rahvin trusts us enough to link when he must allow one of us to
guide," the melodious voice [Lanfear] said, "you can
display an equal trust." The big man looked into his goblet, and the
mist-clad woman smiled faintly. "If you cannot trust
us not to turn on you," the unseen woman continued, "then trust that
we will be watching each other too closely to turn.
You agreed to all of this, Sammael. Why do you begin to quibble now?"
[Afraid to confront Rand head on without being sure victory in sight,
Sammael seeks to take out some insurance by
killing Asmodean, to prevent further teaching of Rand.
maj
I don't know how many times I've read it but I finaly noticed Lan's
cmment after Moraine went through the doorframe
terangreal, "It was a good day to die.". Right-on Worf.
pbo...@aol.com
> Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
>
> Leave aside the idiocy of not stilling Semirhage immediately, even though
> she could be healed again at any time.
So how would they learn weaves from her if she cooperated? In any
case, did Rand have 13 AS with him, the number needed to still her?
It's highly unlikely any Asha'man know the weave.
Ignore also the stupidity of not
> using an a'dam to hold her.
Rand's stupidity, as explained in the book.
And, don't think too hard about the problem
> with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
Why would it be a problem? Randlanders know by now that the Forsaken
aren't much stronger in the power than Nynaeve, and if they've
succeeded in holding her with 3 AS before, why use more? The shield
was fully effective, after all - Semirhage didn't kill Dagian or knock
out the others.
> How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
Who knows? Balefiring is probably an imprecise science in that regard.
> Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
> enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
That was actually what I thought happened at the time - hence Lews
Therin inserting her name onto the list.
> Later, when he shows Narshima how to use BF, "a bar of brilliant white
> fire shot from between his fingers and struck his coat, which lay on the
> floor. It vanished in a burst of light." It has been previously
> established that BF on non-living objects simply carves holes in them.
> Oh well.
Maybe it was a broad enough beam to cover the entire object, as the
one he later aimed at the palace was.
Phil
pbo...@aol.com
None of this seems to point to Sammael as the killer - if that plan
were followed through, Rand would have to know that Asmodean had been
killed by Sammael (and would have to care), so he'd have advertised
it. Instead Rand thinks Asmodean's still alive.
Phil
Kristoffer Björkman
@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, davidl303 says...
> I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
> point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
> & friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
> remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
> and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )
I agree this seems very strange.
> Also another error in the book when Mat heads into the loopy town he
> assigns 3 redarms to guard the Aes Sedai and 2 stay with him when he
> goes off to gamble. When they meet up later the 3 redarm guards are
> never mentioned again.
This, however, has been stated as a RAFO by Brandon, in the Lexington
Storm Leader Report.
"Brandon says of the five Redarms that enter Hinderstap with Mat that
the three that seem unaccounted for when everyone else escapes are not
?forgotten? and their circumstances are RAFO."
http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=1031
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maj
Not sure of what plan you refer to, the strategy worked out with
Rahvin & Graendal dosen't apply.
What I wrote was that Sammy took out some insurance. He killed
Asmo to stop his instruction of Rand so that his own experience
with Saidin will keep him stronger than Rand.
Sammy sees keeping Rand weak giving himself a greater chance of
surviving the Rahvin & Graendal stratergy.
Rand does not know if Asmo is dead or not because he felt no
channeling & there was no body.
jjvor...@yahoo.com
> On Nov 4, 2:51 am, davidl303 <davidl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
<snip Min's bruises discussion>
Good theory, but possible misapplication of the clues you cite.
1) The reference to killing someone close to Rand by Sammael's hand
was Mat. Remember Mehlindra Maiden of the Spear was a DF and had a
knife with the Illian bee's on it. Mat even thought to himself "Now
he wasn't in Rand's shadow; one of the Forsaken had sought to kill
him--Sammael."
2) No channeling occured at Asmodean's death and no body was found--
this points away from Sammael, who might want to leave a body
This issue has been discussed for 15 years! I thought the best
explanation early on was Graendal, but then when we saw the powers of
Isam/Luc creation and the fact he is the Dark One's assassin, I think
he is Asmo's killer.
maj
I included the quote of the forsaken meeting only to cite the plan by
Rahvin/Graendal for which Sammy wanted more insurance.
In the first quote it is said that Sammy would prefer to strike
indirectly.
Killing Asmo & killing Mat would both be indirect attacks that would
suit Sammy.
Samael would have been very aware of the problems with channeling
near Rand & taken steps to cover himself. There are a large number of
physical ways Asmo may have been killed and if Sammy opened a gate
from elswhere, it is likely, as the events in COS suggest, that Rand
would not detect any channeling.
Then again, there is the black rod that Asne Zeramene was given,
that likely came from Sammy.
I think it more probable that Sammy would dump Asmo into nothing
from a skimmer. With Rahvin dead the previous arrangement was
also defunct. Asmo's death became vital. Hiding the body obscures
the reason for the murder.
Robert Jordan stated that all that was needed to solve the murder
was there by the end of FOH, and at that time Luc/Isam had not made
an appearence. A widely accepted alabi for that character.
Paul Colquhoun
|
|
| Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
|
| Leave aside the idiocy of not stilling Semirhage immediately, even though
| she could be healed again at any time. Ignore also the stupidity of not
| using an a'dam to hold her. And, don't think too hard about the problem
| with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
|
| How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
| Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
|
| Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
| enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
|
| Later, when he shows Narshima how to use BF, "a bar of brilliant white
| fire shot from between his fingers and struck his coat, which lay on the
| floor. It vanished in a burst of light." It has been previously
| established that BF on non-living objects simply carves holes in them.
| Oh well.
Have we seen BF *aimed* at a non-living object before? I can see it
acting differently on the designated target than it does on stuff that
just incidentally gets in the way, or just reacting to the expectations
of the caster as to the extent of the effect.
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vecki
From memory, when Sammael met with Graendal in LoC, he was convinced
that Asmo was still helping Rand. Graendal, on the other hand, was
absolutely sure that Asmo was dead.
> Then again, there is the black rod that Asne Zeramene was given,
> that likely came from Sammy.
Actually I'd think it was the same one that was stolen from the WT
back in TDR. And was used in TSR by Jeanne whateverhernamewas.
> I think it more probable that Sammy would dump Asmo into nothing
> from a skimmer. With Rahvin dead the previous arrangement was
> also defunct. Asmo's death became vital. Hiding the body obscures
> the reason for the murder.
'Death took him' implies that it happened faster than would have been
necessary for him to be shoved through a gateway, the gateway to close
and for him to be shoved into the nothingness - as per Rand's thoughts
when the Maiden fell from his Skimming platform, the fall itself
probably wouldn't kill him as there's nothing for his body to hit,
he'd probably fall for a long time before he died - maybe from
starvation.
> Robert Jordan stated that all that was needed to solve the murder
> was there by the end of FOH, and at that time Luc/Isam had not made
> an appearence. A widely accepted alabi for that character.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wha?? Luc/Isam appeared in TSR, the book before FOH. He's been
around. He killed off Joiya and Amico (at least I think he has a
flashback at some point about how much he enjoyed that), and was a
royal PITA in the Two Rivers. I wouldn't call him an 'obvious' choice
for the title of the murderer as the method of him getting in and out
of Tel'aran'rhiod wasn't described until later. But he definitely
doesn't have the 'pre-FOH' alibi.
I have no real idea of who killed Asmo, but I'm pretty sure that it
was NOT Sammael.
~*~
vecki
Nicolas George
<MPG.255972863...@news.eternal-september.org>:
> Ignore also the stupidity of not
> using an a'dam to hold her.
Rand considers the a'dam as morally unacceptable. Having moral standards,
behaving as a civilized human, is precisely what is required to wine Tarmon
Gai'don.
> Ubj pbzr Zva fgvyy unq oehvfrf ba ure arpx nsgre Enaq OS'rq Frzveuntr?
> Fubhyqa'g vg unir erjbhaq gvzr rabhtu fb gung ur arire fgenatyrq ure?
Vg znl or eryngrq gb gur snpg gung Enaq uvzfrys jnf fgenatyvat Zva, gur irel
fnzr jub jbir gur onyrsver.
Anyway, the whole balefire thing is a mess logically speaking. You must not
think too much about it or the very fabric of the books will unravel. That
is the reason for all these reports of the cover falling off the paperbacks.
maj
> On Dec 2, 8:04 am, maj <maj1c1a...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 12:07 pm, jjvors61...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 3, 8:32 pm, maj <maj1c1a...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > oh and definately think Asmo was killed by Lanfear.
>
> > > > The most likely killer of Asmodean would have to be Sammael.
>
(snip)
maj
>
>
>
> > On Nov 28, 12:07 pm, jjvors61...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 3, 8:32 pm, maj <maj1c1a...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 4, 2:51 am, davidl303 <davidl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> vecki
> I included the quote of the forsaken meeting only to cite the plan by
>> Rahvin/Graendal for which Sammy wanted more insurance.
> >In the first quote it is said that Sammy would prefer to strike
> >indirectly.
> >Killing Asmo & killing Mat would both be indirect attacks that would
> >suit Sammy.
> >Samael would have been very aware of the problems with channeling
> >near Rand & taken steps to cover himself. There are a large number of
> >physical ways Asmo may have been killed and if Sammy opened a gate
> >from elswhere, it is likely, as the events in COS suggest, that Rand
> >would not detect any channeling.
>From memory, when Sammael met with Graendal in LoC, he was convinced
>that Asmo was still helping Rand. Graendal, on the other hand, was
>absolutely sure that Asmo was dead.
Graendal dosen't matter, Sammy believed.
>> Then again, there is the black rod that Asne Zeramene was given,
>> that likely came from Sammy.
>Actually I'd think it was the same one that was stolen from the WT
>back in TDR. And was used in TSR by Jeanne whateverhernamewas.
Jeaine Caide had a, large, black rod that produced balefire.
>> I think it more probable that Sammy would dump Asmo into nothing
>> from a skimmer. With Rahvin dead the previous arrangement was
>> also defunct. Asmo's death became vital. Hiding the body obscures
>> the reason for the murder.
>'Death took him' implies that it happened faster than would have been
>necessary for him to be shoved through a gateway, the gateway to close
>and for him to be shoved into the nothingness - as per Rand's thoughts
>when the Maiden fell from his Skimming platform, the fall itself
>probably wouldn't kill him as there's nothing for his body to hit,
>he'd probably fall for a long time before he died - maybe from
>starvation.
"Death took him" does indeed imply speed but still Sammael could have
used the skimmer to dispose of the body, after having killed by some
other
means.
>> Robert Jordan stated that all that was needed to solve the murder
>> was there by the end of FOH, and at that time Luc/Isam had not made
>> an appearence. A widely accepted alabi for that character.
>Wha?? Luc/Isam appeared in TSR, the book before FOH. He's been
>around. He killed off Joiya and Amico (at least I think he has a
>flashback at some point about how much he enjoyed that), and was a
>royal PITA in the Two Rivers. I wouldn't call him an 'obvious' choice
>for the title of the murderer as the method of him getting in and out
>of Tel'aran'rhiod wasn't described until later. But he definitely
>doesn't have the 'pre-FOH' alibi.
As later books revealed Luc/Isam was the killer of Joiya & Amico, but,
he did not appear and was not an identifiable characterthen & I don't
think he was till W.H..
>I have no real idea of who killed Asmo, but I'm pretty sure that it
>was NOT Sammael.
Fair enough, but I'll stay with the likelyhood that it WAS Sammael
>vecki
sorry about last post, don' know what stupidity I committed.
maj
James Hammons
> As later books revealed Luc/Isam was the killer of Joiya & Amico, but,
> he did not appear and was not an identifiable characterthen & I don't
> think he was till W.H..
>
>
> Fair enough, but I'll stay with the likelyhood that it WAS Sammael
>
>
>
> sorry about last post, don' know what stupidity I committed.
> maj
We didn't know enough to identify Luc/Isam as the killer. But it RJ's
comment about it being obvious could have been a statement that it was
obvious the same person that killed Asmo was the same person that
killed Joiya & Amico. That may be a stretch of what RJ intended or
meant, but I think it's still plausible.
James Hammons
vecki
> On Dec 3, 2:45 pm, vecki <vecst...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 8:04 am, maj <maj1c1a...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 28, 12:07 pm, jjvors61...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 3, 8:32 pm, maj <maj1c1a...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 4, 2:51 am, davidl303 <davidl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > vecki
> > I included the quote of the forsaken meeting only to cite the plan by
> >> Rahvin/Graendal for which Sammy wanted more insurance.
> > >In the first quote it is said that Sammy would prefer to strike
> > >indirectly.
> > >Killing Asmo & killing Mat would both be indirect attacks that would
> > >suit Sammy.
> > >Samael would have been very aware of the problems with channeling
> > >near Rand & taken steps to cover himself. There are a large number of
> > >physical ways Asmo may have been killed and if Sammy opened a gate
> > >from elswhere, it is likely, as the events in COS suggest, that Rand
> > >would not detect any channeling.
> >From memory, when Sammael met with Graendal in LoC, he was convinced
> >that Asmo was still helping Rand. Graendal, on the other hand, was
> >absolutely sure that Asmo was dead.
>
> Graendal dosen't matter, Sammy believed.
Yes. He believed Asmo was ALIVE. This was in Sammael's POV. If
Sammael believed Asmo was alive, it stretches my admittedly flexible
credulity that Sammael could ever, in any realm of possiblility,
killed Asmo.
>
> >> Then again, there is the black rod that Asne Zeramene was given,
> >> that likely came from Sammy.
> >Actually I'd think it was the same one that was stolen from the WT
> >back in TDR. And was used in TSR by Jeanne whateverhernamewas.
>
> Jeaine Caide had a, large, black rod that produced balefire.
That's the one I was thinking of.
>
> >> I think it more probable that Sammy would dump Asmo into nothing
> >> from a skimmer. With Rahvin dead the previous arrangement was
> >> also defunct. Asmo's death became vital. Hiding the body obscures
> >> the reason for the murder.
> >'Death took him' implies that it happened faster than would have been
> >necessary for him to be shoved through a gateway, the gateway to close
> >and for him to be shoved into the nothingness - as per Rand's thoughts
> >when the Maiden fell from his Skimming platform, the fall itself
> >probably wouldn't kill him as there's nothing for his body to hit,
> >he'd probably fall for a long time before he died - maybe from
> >starvation.
>
> "Death took him" does indeed imply speed but still Sammael could have
> used the skimmer to dispose of the body, after having killed by some
> other
> means.
See above. Sammael thought Asmo was still alive. Therefore, not the
killer.
>
> >> Robert Jordan stated that all that was needed to solve the murder
> >> was there by the end of FOH, and at that time Luc/Isam had not made
> >> an appearence. A widely accepted alabi for that character.
> >Wha?? Luc/Isam appeared in TSR, the book before FOH. He's been
> >around. He killed off Joiya and Amico (at least I think he has a
> >flashback at some point about how much he enjoyed that), and was a
> >royal PITA in the Two Rivers. I wouldn't call him an 'obvious' choice
> >for the title of the murderer as the method of him getting in and out
> >of Tel'aran'rhiod wasn't described until later. But he definitely
> >doesn't have the 'pre-FOH' alibi.
>
> As later books revealed Luc/Isam was the killer of Joiya & Amico, but,
> he did not appear and was not an identifiable characterthen & I don't
> think he was till W.H..
Did you read any other part of that paragraph? Luc was the blonde
prat running around the Two Rivers during the Great Trolloc
Infestation, Isam was the 'Slayer' that Perrin ran into in T'A'R.
Perrin even theorises that Luc and Isam are one and the same when he
shoots Isam in T'A'R and Luc rushes out of the Inn five minutes later,
injured. Like I said, I'm not convinced that Luc/Isam is the killer
but he was definitely identified in TSR.
>
> >I have no real idea of who killed Asmo, but I'm pretty sure that it
> >was NOT Sammael.
>
> Fair enough, but I'll stay with the likelyhood that it WAS Sammael
>
*headdesk*
Go read the FAQ. Just, go. Read it. Specifically this bit:
http://steelypips.org/wotfaq/1_dark/1.1_forsaken1/1.1.6_asmo.html
~*~
vecki
maj
I have read the FAQ, again, and still believe Sammy dunnit.
Did *you* notice the small error in the analasis of the chat
between Samael & Graendal?
maj
Arno
> Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
> Leave aside the idiocy of not stilling Semirhage immediately, even though
> she could be healed again at any time. Ignore also the stupidity of not
> using an a'dam to hold her. And, don't think too hard about the problem
> with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
Well, Cadsuane displayed a pretty impressive level of incompetence
there. And it is not only using three, it is using three in
the same place with no alerting mechanism and no short-interval
external checks. If we did not know better, I would say this
was strong indication that she is black.
> How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
> Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
> enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
Nice. I like it!
> Later, when he shows Narshima how to use BF, "a bar of brilliant white
> fire shot from between his fingers and struck his coat, which lay on the
> floor. It vanished in a burst of light." It has been previously
> established that BF on non-living objects simply carves holes in them.
> Oh well.
Simple: With all that is going on, Rand did not wash that cloack in months
and it now qualifies as living object.
Arno
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Arno
Tim Bruening
Nicolas George wrote:
> Rast wrote in message
> <MPG.255972863...@news.eternal-september.org>:
> > Ignore also the stupidity of not
> > using an a'dam to hold her.
>
> Rand considers the a'dam as morally unacceptable. Having moral standards,
> behaving as a civilized human, is precisely what is required to wine Tarmon
> Gai'don.
Why does Rand want to pour alcoholic beverages on the Last Battle? Are Trollics
incapacitated by alcohol?
Tim Bruening
davidl303 wrote:
Those 3 may now be trapped in that zany town.
Tim Bruening
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Rast wrote:
> Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
>
> Leave aside the idiocy of not stilling Semirhage immediately, even though
> she could be healed again at any time. Ignore also the stupidity of not
> using an a'dam to hold her. And, don't think too hard about the problem
> with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
Just douse her with forkroot, or have an Asha'man Bond her the same way they
have been bonding AS.
Tim Bruening
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"pbo...@aol.com" wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 05:02, Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok, so the plot has finally started to happen.
> >
> And, don't think too hard about the problem
> > with leaving just 3 A.S. to shield and guard one of the Forsaken.
>
> Why would it be a problem? Randlanders know by now that the Forsaken
> aren't much stronger in the power than Nynaeve, and if they've
> succeeded in holding her with 3 AS before, why use more? The shield
> was fully effective, after all - Semirhage didn't kill Dagian or knock
> out the others.
When was Nynaeve held with 3 AS?
> > How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> > Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
>
> Who knows? Balefiring is probably an imprecise science in that regard.
>
> > Loony Theory: Rand actually killed Min, but his BF rewound time far back
> > enough so undo it. He doesn't realize it because he doesn't want to.
>
> That was actually what I thought happened at the time - hence Lews
> Therin inserting her name onto the list.
But Min appeared to be alive before Rand Balefired Semirhage.
Tim Bruening
Kristoffer Björkman wrote:
> In article <c7229153-88f0-4f87-a031-2cdb5374e3c0
> @j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, davidl303 says...
> > I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
> > point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
> > & friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
> > remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
> > and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )
>
> I agree this seems very strange.
>
> > Also another error in the book when Mat heads into the loopy town he
> > assigns 3 redarms to guard the Aes Sedai and 2 stay with him when he
> > goes off to gamble. When they meet up later the 3 redarm guards are
> > never mentioned again.
>
> This, however, has been stated as a RAFO by Brandon, in the Lexington
> Storm Leader Report.
>
> "Brandon says of the five Redarms that enter Hinderstap with Mat that
> the three that seem unaccounted for when everyone else escapes are not
> ?forgotten? and their circumstances are RAFO."
> http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=1031
Could it be that the Hinderstap magic makes travelers who escape forget
about any of their companions who die?
Tim Bruening
maj wrote:
Asmo could have been killed by a female channeler or by the TP.
Tim Bruening
maj wrote:
Luc/Isam was seen in the Two Rivers in tSR.
Tim Bruening
Nicolas George wrote:
> Rast wrote in message
> <MPG.255972863...@news.eternal-september.org>:
> > Ignore also the stupidity of not
> > using an a'dam to hold her.
>
> Rand considers the a'dam as morally unacceptable. Having moral standards,
> behaving as a civilized human, is precisely what is required to wine Tarmon
> Gai'don.
Why does Rand want to pour alcoholic beverages on the Last Battle? Are
Trollics
incapacitated by alcohol?
Tim Bruening
davidl303 wrote:
> > How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> > Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
> >
>
> the bruises were caused by Rand i would assume the only way they would
> be gone is if he was BF'ed
>
> I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
> point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
> & friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
> remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
> and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )
Clearly, the AS are going to resort to Sign Language.
Tim Bruening
Nicolas George wrote:
> Rast wrote in message
> <MPG.255972863...@news.eternal-september.org>:
> > Ignore also the stupidity of not
> > using an a'dam to hold her.
>
> Rand considers the a'dam as morally unacceptable. Having moral standards,
> behaving as a civilized human, is precisely what is required to wine Tarmon
> Gai'don.
Why does Rand want to pour alcoholic beverages on the Last Battle? Are
Trollics
incapacitated by alcohol?
Timothy Bruening
> assigns 3 redarms to guard the Aes Sedai and 2 stay with him when he
> goes off to gamble. When they meet up later the 3 redarm guards are
> never mentioned again.
Timothy Bruening
Timothy Bruening
> > How come Min still had bruises on her neck after Rand BF'ed Semirhage?
> > Shouldn't it have rewound time enough so that he never strangled her?
> >
> the bruises were caused by Rand i would assume the only way they would
> be gone is if he was BF'ed
> I did notice however that when they where questioning Semi at one
> point they covered her eyes and ears with the one power while Cadsuane
> & friends had a chat. Going back to the questioning it says they
> remove the weaves from her eyes but leave the shield blocking her ears
> and then start to ask her questions??? (page 110 )