Seafolk Windfinders In Ebou Dar
ClubcaveD
just finished with Mat's escape from Ebou Dar. One thing that I caught while
listening that I'd didn't catch when reading was his freeing of the Sea Folk
Windfinder. Does anyone think that the Windfinder's plan to pull a "Great
Escape" will work?
A large percentage of the damane in the attic are probably Seafolk Windfinders.
If the first one freed takes sensible precautions, there could be as many as 50
that are freed. That would be enough to overwhelm whatever guard is kept at the
city gate nearest the camp where the other Sea Folk are held. If any of the
Windfinders have realized the sul'dam's little secret and think to bring along
their adams, the odds for success really go up.
Frank van Schie
ClubcaveD wrote:
>
> I've been listening to my unabridged audiotape of "Winter's Heart" and have
> just finished with Mat's escape from Ebou Dar. One thing that I caught while
> listening that I'd didn't catch when reading was his freeing of the Sea Folk
> Windfinder. Does anyone think that the Windfinder's plan to pull a "Great
> Escape" will work?
Probably not, him being such a pessimist and all. But he can't just
leave 'm captive either. So he frees one of them, shoves the burden of
responsibility (and, relatively speaking, a damned good chance) in the
hands of some random Windfinder, and hobbles out of there.
> A large percentage of the damane in the attic are probably Seafolk Windfinders.
> If the first one freed takes sensible precautions, there could be as many as 50
> that are freed. That would be enough to overwhelm whatever guard is kept at the
> city gate nearest the camp where the other Sea Folk are held. If any of the
> Windfinders have realized the sul'dam's little secret and think to bring along
> their adams, the odds for success really go up.
Of course, that would blow any chance of secrecy out of the water,
sending the army immediately in the chase of marath'damane. Mat hopes to
leave town before the Windfinders start rampaging. Which, I hope, will
be 'visually' stunning to behold.
--
Frank
Richard Boye'
If nothing else, there will be an explosive revolt in Ebou Dar.
Nestelle, the freed Sea Folk Damane, will probably free many of her
sisters, and there is a veritable army of Sea Folk in the Rahad,
currently being used to dredge the canals. Meanwhile, Prince Beslan, it
has been suggested, has been sowing the seeds for insurrection, and
planning a 'Rising'
I wouldn't be surprised to see if Mat's ta'verenity creates a situation
where all the elements create a situation where the Seanchan are
overthrown, and leaving a vacuum for Beslan to take over the new
improved Altara. I imagine Tylin will die, possibly after killing
Suroth.
Or, the "Sea Folk Revolts" will fail, and Beslan's head will adorn a
spike next to his mother's, right beside the Mistress of the Ships'.
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Craig Crosby
[snip]
> If nothing else, there will be an explosive revolt in Ebou Dar.
> Nestelle, the freed Sea Folk Damane, will probably free many of her
> sisters, and there is a veritable army of Sea Folk in the Rahad,
> currently being used to dredge the canals. Meanwhile, Prince Beslan, it
> has been suggested, has been sowing the seeds for insurrection, and
> planning a 'Rising'
>
> I wouldn't be surprised to see if Mat's ta'verenity creates a situation
> where all the elements create a situation where the Seanchan are
> overthrown, and leaving a vacuum for Beslan to take over the new
> improved Altara. I imagine Tylin will die, possibly after killing
> Suroth.
>
> Or, the "Sea Folk Revolts" will fail, and Beslan's head will adorn a
> spike next to his mother's, right beside the Mistress of the Ships'.
>
>
>
Unfortunately, in LoC, we hear Nicola have the foretelling(LoC, Dreams
and Nightmares/14, hardcover pg. 255, PoV Nynaeve)
Suddenly Nicola spoke, sounding half-asleep. "The lion sword, the
dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is
dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with
battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the
servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
The return is the Seanchan. If the Land is divided by the return after
the great battle, then that infers the Seanchan will not be driven out
totally.
I believe the second Breaking will be Rand separating Randland main into
two separate continents, to break the Seanchan away from the Tar Valon
and east area(perhaps even Emond's Field and east).
C
Esque
> I believe the second Breaking will be Rand separating Randland main into
> two separate continents, to break the Seanchan away from the Tar Valon
> and east area(perhaps even Emond's Field and east).
What on earth purpose would this serve? He severs the continent. So
what? The Seanchan have crossed a massive sea in order to bring the
Return. I don't think they'll be put off too much by having to sail a
bit more.
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Craig Crosby
says...
> Craig Crosby <cwcr...@trip.net> deserves a cookie for saying:
> > I believe the second Breaking will be Rand separating Randland main into
> > two separate continents, to break the Seanchan away from the Tar Valon
> > and east area(perhaps even Emond's Field and east).
>
> What on earth purpose would this serve? He severs the continent. So
> what? The Seanchan have crossed a massive sea in order to bring the
> Return. I don't think they'll be put off too much by having to sail a
> bit more.
>
>
I believe Egwene had the dream of him splitting the land in two with a
sword though(can't remember when, no cite on hand). I think she tells
Rand that one, and he figures it must be talking about the philosophical
splits he is causing(people starting wars and such). I think the dream
is going to prove much more direct than that.
As to what purpose it would serve . . . I imagine RJ would say RAFO. I
sure as heck have no idea.
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet . . ."
But I still can't outguess RJ.
C
Richard Boye'
>
> In article <3B3E96...@webspan.net>, wa...@webspan.net says...
>
> [snip]
>
> > If nothing else, there will be an explosive revolt in Ebou Dar.
> > Nestelle, the freed Sea Folk Damane, will probably free many of her
> > sisters, and there is a veritable army of Sea Folk in the Rahad,
> > currently being used to dredge the canals. Meanwhile, Prince Beslan, it
> > has been suggested, has been sowing the seeds for insurrection, and
> > planning a 'Rising'
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised to see if Mat's ta'verenity creates a situation
> > where all the elements create a situation where the Seanchan are
> > overthrown, and leaving a vacuum for Beslan to take over the new
> > improved Altara. I imagine Tylin will die, possibly after killing
> > Suroth.
[...]
> Unfortunately, in LoC, we hear Nicola have the foretelling(LoC, Dreams
> and Nightmares/14, hardcover pg. 255, PoV Nynaeve)
>
> Suddenly Nicola spoke, sounding half-asleep. "The lion sword, the
> dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is
> dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with
> battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the
> servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
>
> The return is the Seanchan. If the Land is divided by the return after
> the great battle, then that infers the Seanchan will not be driven out
> totally.
Of Arad Doman and Tarabon, Almoth and probably now Amadicia, although I
suspect that they will never actually manage to consume Amadicia as
thoroughly as they have Tarabon and Arad Doman.
However, they still have yet to totally subsume Altara. Now, I realize
that Tuon, through her marriage to Mat, will eventually bring the
western countries that are now Seanchan provinces to Rand's
international alliance, but it is possible that King Beslan Mitsobar
will probably be eager to ally himself personally.
Keep in mind that right now, as we speak, Egwene and Elayne are busily
subverting the entire Seanchan Imperium. Their regime might not be so
stable once it is learned that sul'dam=marath'damane, and even more so,
the Empress' Annointed Successor is also a marath'damane. From all the
exposure we've had to POV's from various Seanchan, we see that that
armed rebellion is a constant thing in Seanchan, and they have a long
history of wars among their vassal states. They don't seem to have an
entrenched sense of union and peace.
Thomas Buck
>
> Craig Crosby wrote:
> >
>
> > Unfortunately, in LoC, we hear Nicola have the foretelling(LoC, Dreams
> > and Nightmares/14, hardcover pg. 255, PoV Nynaeve)
> >
> > Suddenly Nicola spoke, sounding half-asleep. "The lion sword,
> > the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he
> > who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done
> > with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians
> > balance the servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
> >
> > The return is the Seanchan. If the Land is divided by the return
> > after the great battle, then that infers the Seanchan will not be
> > driven out totally.
>
> Of Arad Doman and Tarabon, Almoth and probably now Amadicia, although I
> suspect that they will never actually manage to consume Amadicia as
> thoroughly as they have Tarabon and Arad Doman.
>
Which they will do, and perhaps they will even take a hold on Illian,
IMNSHO. From the "Prophecy"-Section of the FAQ:
[ACOS 34, Ta'veren, p533]
"The north shall he tie to the east,
and the west shall be bound to the south."
[TDR: 6, The Hunt Begins, 57]
"What does it mean that he shall bind the nine moons to serve him?"
The first Prophecy is not yet fulfilled, and it is quite obvious that
it is not Rand alone, who will do all the binding of nations. I think it
unlikely, that the Seanchan will be easily driven out of the countries of
the west, so they have to take also the countries of the south to 'bind
them together'.
The Borderlands will almost surely ally with Rand, in fulfillment with
this Prophecy. Only when the first one is fulfilled, the second one
will come to pass, IMO.
I don't think it will be easy going for Mat with his newfound 'wife', and
in the meantime, until this is settled, the Seanchan will be quite mad
for the disappearance of Tuon. I think that they will redouble their
conquering of nations, and that at least Illian will fall to them before
everything is sorted out, and the Nine Moons, represented by Tuon, are
bound to Rand through her marriage with Mat.
--
Thomas Buck
'Just when you see the light at the end of the tunnel, the roof caves in!'
Craig Crosby
> I don't think it will be easy going for Mat with his newfound 'wife', and
> in the meantime, until this is settled, the Seanchan will be quite mad
> for the disappearance of Tuon. I think that they will redouble their
> conquering of nations, and that at least Illian will fall to them before
> everything is sorted out, and the Nine Moons, represented by Tuon, are
> bound to Rand through her marriage with Mat.
Then again, there is also the Crystal Throne to consider.
Has anyone else thought about the fact it could very well be a binding
chair?
Sammael mentions binding chairs when talking to Sevanna, and he seems to
infer it's possible to bind even people who can't channel using a binding
chair(but who is the one that ends up bound...the person sitting in the
chair or the person facing the chair??).
Also, Egwene's dream about a hawk touching her and they are somehow
linked after that---this might infer that Egwene and Tuon each wear half
of the male a'dam.
Who knows, The Wheel Weaves.
C
Mark Leigh
[snip Sea Folk revolts]
> Unfortunately, in LoC, we hear Nicola have the foretelling(LoC, Dreams
> and Nightmares/14, hardcover pg. 255, PoV Nynaeve)
>
> Suddenly Nicola spoke, sounding half-asleep. "The lion sword, the
> dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is
> dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with
> battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the
> servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
>
> The return is the Seanchan. If the Land is divided by the return after
> the great battle, then that infers the Seanchan will not be driven out
> totally.
>
> I believe the second Breaking will be Rand separating Randland main into
> two separate continents, to break the Seanchan away from the Tar Valon
> and east area(perhaps even Emond's Field and east).
Why would he do that, when the Seanchan have already crossed a huge ocean
to conquer half of Randland? It wouldn't accomplish anything. I
personally don't think he's going to Break the world again at all, or at
least not in the physical way it was Broken last time.
Anja Buck
> Also, Egwene's dream about a hawk touching her and they are somehow
> linked after that---this might infer that Egwene and Tuon each wear
> half of the male a'dam.
Isn't the hawk the symbol of Berelain, first of Mayene?
Dave Crisp
> Craig Crosby schrieb:
>
>> Also, Egwene's dream about a hawk touching her and they are somehow
>> linked after that---this might infer that Egwene and Tuon each wear
>> half of the male a'dam.
>
> Isn't the hawk the symbol of Berelain, first of Mayene?
The Golden Hawk was the banner of Artur Hawkwing, and is used as the symbol
of his decendants. Who include both Berelain and the Seanchan Royal Family,
so this dream could easily refer to either.
--
Ta,
Dave
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> On Monday 02 July 2001 4:10 pm, Anja Buck<ab...@gwdg.de> waxed long:
>
> > Craig Crosby schrieb:
> >
> >> Also, Egwene's dream about a hawk touching her and they are somehow
> >> linked after that---this might infer that Egwene and Tuon each wear
> >> half of the male a'dam.
> >
> > Isn't the hawk the symbol of Berelain, first of Mayene?
>
> The Golden Hawk was the banner of Artur Hawkwing, and is used as the
symbol
> of his decendants. Who include both Berelain and the Seanchan Royal
Family,
> so this dream could easily refer to either.
Are you only basing this on the fact that the hawk seems to be Berelain
and/or Mayene's symbol, or do you have other evidence that shows she is a
descendant of Hawkwing?
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Giuseppe Travaglini
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> "Dave Crisp" <da...@goldeneyes.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:tk153mb...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
> > On Monday 02 July 2001 4:10 pm, Anja Buck<ab...@gwdg.de> waxed long:
> >
> > > Craig Crosby schrieb:
> > >
> > >> Also, Egwene's dream about a hawk touching her and they are somehow
> > >> linked after that---this might infer that Egwene and Tuon each wear
> > >> half of the male a'dam.
> > >
> > > Isn't the hawk the symbol of Berelain, first of Mayene?
> >
> > The Golden Hawk was the banner of Artur Hawkwing, and is used as the
> symbol
> > of his decendants. Who include both Berelain and the Seanchan Royal
> Family,
> > so this dream could easily refer to either.
>
> Are you only basing this on the fact that the hawk seems to be Berelain
> and/or Mayene's symbol, or do you have other evidence that shows she is a
> descendant of Hawkwing?
>
"The ruling family of Mayene claims to be descended from Arthur
Hawkwing, and uses the Paendrag name."
(The Guide, p. 405 Orbit paperback in the chapter about Mayene)
Giuseppe
Dave Crisp
>> The Golden Hawk was the banner of Artur Hawkwing, and is used as the
> symbol
>> of his decendants. Who include both Berelain and the Seanchan Royal
> Family,
>> so this dream could easily refer to either.
>
> Are you only basing this on the fact that the hawk seems to be Berelain
> and/or Mayene's symbol, or do you have other evidence that shows she is a
> descendant of Hawkwing?
>
The glossary in TSR gives Berelain's full name as Berelain sur *Paendrag*
Paeron, and states in the entry on Mayene that 'Firsts claim to be
decendants of Artur Hawkwing'. I think Moiraine also mentions it at some
point, but I can't find the quote.
Tessy
wrote:
<snip>
>Unfortunately, in LoC, we hear Nicola have the foretelling(LoC, Dreams
>and Nightmares/14, hardcover pg. 255, PoV Nynaeve)
>
> Suddenly Nicola spoke, sounding half-asleep. "The lion sword, the
>dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is
>dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with
>battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the
>servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."
>
<snip>
Not sure about the lion sword or the dedicated spear but the three on
a boat thing is obviously a reference to Jerome K Jerome.
Alinet2
>
>Not sure about the lion sword or the dedicated spear but the three on
>a boat thing is obviously a reference to Jerome K Jerome.
>
>
>
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Ron
> I've been listening to my unabridged audiotape of "Winter's Heart" and have
> just finished with Mat's escape from Ebou Dar. One thing that I caught while
> listening that I'd didn't catch when reading was his freeing of the Sea Folk
> Windfinder. Does anyone think that the Windfinder's plan to pull a "Great
> Escape" will work?
Someone please correct me if I am not remembering correctly,
but how can the Windfinder take off her own adam?
I seem to remember one of the wonder girls having a really bad
reaction when she just thought of removing hers.
If someone, with either the books or better memory, could back me up here
that'd be great.
Ron
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They can't. But Mat took it off of one, and she can take it off the
others.
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Johan Poppe
>club...@cs.com (ClubcaveD) wrote in message news:<20010630191448...@ng-mj1.news.cs.com>...
>> I've been listening to my unabridged audiotape of "Winter's Heart" and have
>> just finished with Mat's escape from Ebou Dar. One thing that I caught while
>> listening that I'd didn't catch when reading was his freeing of the Sea Folk
^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Windfinder. Does anyone think that the Windfinder's plan to pull a "Great
>> Escape" will work?
>
>Someone please correct me if I am not remembering correctly,
>but how can the Windfinder take off her own adam?
She isn't. _Mat_ takes off her adam. Then she is supposed to release
the other Windfinders.
--
Johan Utne Poppe